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i mean, pardon my english but this, the life i'm living is ww1 trench warfare.

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#106
That was an AMAZING show.

If you're not watching "Lovecraft Country", you should.
#107
I HEAR SOMETHING IN THE BASEMENT. PERHAPS I SHOULD SEE WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE.
#108
"And some days, it just rains."
#109
The bucket made me choke on my coffee.  Well played.

:golfclap:
#110
I really like how Yudkowsky uses Occam's Razor to support his assertion that the Many Worlds theory (not the Bohrian one, the one where infinite universes actually exist) is the one that has the simplest explanation, and therefore is most likely to be true.
#111
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Picking Cain's Brains
August 21, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
Dear Mr Cain,

Maybe I'm not as plugged in as I could be, but with all the national attention on Qanon these days (NPR has had a segment on them just about every day for the past week or more), the White Hats haven't gotten around to doxxing Q?  I'd think even if it wasn't for ethical reasons, outing Q would be mega lulz.
#112
It was a tough year, to be sure.  The gang lost three horses to that fucking hammerhead.
#113
Quote from: LMNO on August 17, 2020, 03:36:45 PM
Hey y'all, just got back from Montana.  The landshark menace has been beaten back for another year.

Now, I need to get a brain tickle and stay inside for 2 weeks.

Brain got tickled.  24 hour turnaround.  Negative. 
#114
Quote from: cnoNobody wanted this quantum physics crap, it was invented so that we had a mathematical model for the weirdness we were observing.  And the model works.

Yes!  The early 20th century physicists were pissed at what the math was telling them.  As it turns out, Einstein spend a large part of his later life trying to prove that there was something that would make it all comprehensible.  He wanted to prove quantum behavior was wrong.
#117
Hello, new person!
#118
Not sure if I've signed up for the role of "cold water" in this instance, but...

As a quick background, I'm in a fairly small camp of people who try their level best never to use metaphors when talking about quantum stuff.  This is because:
     1. We understand metaphors using post-decoherence macro experiences.
     2. Pre-decoherence stuff does not behave the way post-decoherence stuff does.
     3. Pre-decoherence stuff is closer to how the universe works at a fundamental level.
Therefore, metaphors try to force what is essentially a hallucination of "reality" caused by faulty instruments onto Universe's building blocks.

Anyway, the main reason I'm skeptical of this theory of consciousness is because it's a flat-out metaphor, and it tries to fit quantum behavior into a macroscopic model, and then uses that model to determine how quanta are behaving.  They're saying, "consciousness could be caused by quantum process A.  Process A is very similar to holograms.  Therefore, we shall use the model of a hologram to describe quantum behavior."  If you swap out some words, they're saying, "gravity could be caused by two objects being attracted to each other.  That's very similar to magnets.  Therefore we shall use how magnets work to describe the behavior of gravity."

You can see that from the Wikipedia article (bolded part by me), "In a hologram, any part of the hologram with sufficient size contains the whole of the stored information. In this theory, a piece of a long-term memory is similarly distributed over a dendritic arbor so that each part of the dendritic network contains all the information stored over the entire network."  Sure, that's how holograms work, but they haven't proved that's how quanta works.

Secondly is Bohn's idea of "implicate order".  But it seems he's got his viewpoint flipped here.  The math clearly shows that this is how quanta works.  It only doesn't "make sense" if you rashly assume that quanta must have the ability to be understood in macro terms.  Quanta doesn't give a goddam what us Big Things think.  If there is an underlying piece below the quantum realm, it will most likely make even less sense to us.  But, and this is key, the math will work.  And that's all we can hope for, really.
#119
Because the Market became detached from reality years ago.

Sell when the 1% start getting impacted.
#120
Fuck, you just can't catch a break!