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fucking twid, ITT.   you're killing me man.  if your brain works this way all the time, I'm inclined to drive up there and steal you or it. preferably you.  Florida could use funnier 'ha ha' people, fewer funny 'uh oh' people.  and i need funnier friends.  perpetually.

i made it to page 7 and ECH's comment and the subsequent shit storm i'm imagining probably happened after it.  good thread and I'll keep going and sorry if this is now old hat in the discussion.

I've been harassed by both men and women, on multiple occasions, in multiple countries.  Here in the states.

i was followed into a bathroom at a "gay" bar by a guy, who took the urinal next to me, in an empty bathroom of 6 urinals, told me i looked good or was well dressed.  i gave him a "wtf" look and said "uh.. thanks? " (i forget the details because of what happened next) and asked me what i was packing down there and leaned over to take a look at my dick.  i elbowed him in the face and probably would have done more if someone else hadn't walked in. 

i told this story to a long time friend of mine who is gay and he told me "you were in a gay bar, what did you expect? "

the implication being that going to a gay bar means you're obviously gay, and having someone check out your shit should be ok?   does not follow for "hetero" bars, why gay bars?

if anyone says it's because "if you're THERE then you must want to hook up" i have a long, laughing-at-you laugh that will follow.

when I was living in Mexico, i was walking down a side street to the local vet to get medicine for my dog.  the street passed by a local college and there  was a group of girls on the corner, talking, hanging, whatever.  as we passed them on the other side of the street the started "cat calling" me (i don't know what else to call it) yelling "guero guero ven aqui guero.  te quiero.  chingame. "  etc.  not only was it embarrassing, but i was going to get medicine for my dying dog and had no interest in talking to anyone.  they were still there when i made my way home, and it was the same scene.  in my experience, Latin women DO tend to chase men they want in a similar way that men in our culture chase women they want.  expansion on that could be its own thread.

in Belize, i was propositioned by a woman who claimed to be very rich, and told me if i came home with her that night, and came to see her a few times a year, that she'd take care of me the rest of my life.  she had just divorced her third husband, taken him for everything he owned, was rich, and had a grand daughter around my age she would introduce me to.  she was 70 if she was a day and it was clear she was not used to being told no by men at any point in her life. 

I'm going to finish the thread now, but those stories seemed relevant to tell, considering the theme up until this page that this is only an issue for women.  my apologies if that's been hashed out amongst the board by now.

of course you don't care. it doesn't fit your narrative. 

i do take a few things for granted.  i do it often.  i likely don't do it any more than anyone else in this country, over any given timeframe.  i welcome being reminded of when i do.  it's grounding and reminds me from where i came when i loose sight of it. 


and i wouldn't know any more about what you truly believe based on a few short sentences than you would about mine, but i thought that was the name of the game we were playing. 

i know nothing substansive about your beliefs or thoughts, because i don't know you outside of the things you write here.  it was wrong of me to say otherwise.

[edit] sorry for the capitalization as well.  difficult to type on this thing.

Hey, go fuck yourself.  Here's what I said, and you should probably get in the habit of actually quoting people before you lie about what they said.  It'll make you look even funnier.

You know what, if you're too tired to teach your children how to do things better than you did?

FUCK YOU

Your family and your children will get everything that's coming to them.

And I still wholeheartedly believe that.

This is why you aren't actually a human being.  You're more of a thin smear of shit with an Iphone.

lol iphone.  i can't afford an iPhone.  im using a 4 year old samsung phone I bought second hand, driving a 21 year old vehicle, (which I love, btw.  91 wrangler, straight 6, you'd probably like it despite despising me) and i'm too busy saving money so that my child doesn't have to start at the bottom. 

and by your view, that's just too much to ask people to do.  and inhuman to boot.  they're so fragile, humans. 

[EDIT]edit for  math fail.  12 is 21 backwards. 

I have no excuse.

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

in your mind it was. 

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

and if my uncle had been born with a vagina he'd have been my aunt.  i'm aware i'm seeing this through a damaged childhood with cloudy hindsight.

and it's not like they didn't think ahead.  i have clear memories of peeing in a cup for my father to help him pass a drug test. 

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

i don't expect to pull completely out of poverty in my generation, but ill do the work to help make sure my parents mistakes are not repeated.  it's no guarantee, but then there are no guarantees  ever. 

please forgive any misspellings.  im using phone pd.

Hey.

You can't just march in here and feel picked on after a year. It's my turn to feel picked on this week, buddy, so you just check that shit at the door.

As for your positions, knowing what little I do of them and knowing none of your reasoning behind them, I can only say that the potential benefits of subjecting an entire class of people to state intrusion and scrutiny are far, far outnumbered by the known drawbacks.

Whatever your personal experiences are and whatever anger and resentment you hold toward your parents for failing you, yours is but one case among literally tens of millions - the vast majority of which are nothing like yours. Your shitty experience, however improved it may have been by the authoritarian hand of an overbearing state, doesn't justify condemning those tens of millions of people to a life bereft of dignity and privacy, things which ought to be rights and are only ever denied as punishment. It is not a crime to be poor, and being poor deserves no punishment - much less the indignity of government surveillance.

I have to back off of this position considering the privacy angle, something I consider sacrosanct and abused by the state on far too many levels.

You're correct and my belief that drug testing anyone at the behest of the state conflicts with my principals.  I reject it out of hand.  It's dissonant on a fucked up level.  I was wrong.

How can we address institutionalized poverty that results from state assistance without invading personal privacy?  Is it possible?

No, Dickhead Pissweed, you didn't say homeschool.  But you did not in any way reference teaching your kids about your mistakes so they wouldn't make them again, in context it was clear to mean parents who don't make time to help their children academically, their children deserve everything they get.

Hey, go fuck yourself.  Here's what I said, and you should probably get in the habit of actually quoting people before you lie about what they said.  It'll make you look even funnier.

You know what, if you're too tired to teach your children how to do things better than you did?

FUCK YOU

Your family and your children will get everything that's coming to them.

And I still wholeheartedly believe that.  It's one of the only things that's kept the species from getting eaten by predators, only now the only natural predator we have outside of camping in the wilderness is other humans.  Teaching your children about what NOT to do should your biggest contribution to their lives.

i didn't say home school.  where the fuck did I say home school?  i said teach your children not to repeat your mistakes. 

something, btw, that is the only fucking reason we were able to stay up right and not have to run back to the trees. 

but you know, keep writing that what i said was not what i said.  eventually itll be true because you'll be the only one in the conversation.

and i said drug test, not what the drug test was for, or that hurrr you could by duuurugs with a wellfare card.  in the 80s. 

jesus christ the stupidest thing I've done this week is even reply to this and thereby legitimize it as a thought out response.

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

as an expansion on this, I think the net should be there, and would gladly accept it with certain modifications:

drug tests for recipients, and anyone who comes up positive, gets thrown into rehab.

Oh, I love this...How did I miss it?

Leaving aside the obvious implication that poor people are suspected drug users by default, let's just add $600/month/person to the UA/welfare tab.  That'll fix everything.

But of course, you get to rub poor peoples' noses in the dirt, which is the point of the entire exercise.

in your mind it was. 

my own experience might have been different had my parents been forced to choose between feeding their children with state assistance or maintaining their cocaine addiction.

and if my uncle had been born with a vagina he'd have been my aunt.  i'm aware i'm seeing this through a damaged childhood with cloudy hindsight.

and it's not like they didn't think ahead.  i have clear memories of peeing in a cup for my father to help him pass a drug test. 

i think our pm convo could be inserted here somehow to offset how inhuman you're intent on painting me, which i do care about, but not enough to change the opinions of people who've clearly made up their mind about me and won't consider the origins of these positions, or that I've changed some of them, in part because of this board. 

i'm just a self hating poor person in your mind. 

oh, did i give you the impression i was well off?  i'm not. i live modestly, have cultivated a barrette in something i love that pays me modestly, save as much as i can and, with some hope and education, ensure my soon does not start at the bottom, as i did. 

i don't expect to pull completely out of poverty in my generation, but ill do the work to help make sure my parents mistakes are not repeated.  it's no guarantee, but then there are no guarantees  ever. 

please forgive any misspellings.  im using phone pd.

[I don't even think he's a sociopath, to tell the truth... just damaged and stuck in a really shitty loop.]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

I don't even think he's a sociopath, to tell the truth... just damaged and stuck in a really shitty loop.

I've only ever met one sociopath in person, and she is fucking terrifying, not least because it took me close to seven years to realize it. She's not one of my friends, but a friend of a friend. Actual sociopaths are really frightening, and often don't exhibit the kinds of antisocial behavior that people consider earmarks for sociopathy. Which actually makes it that much more irritating/frustrating to me when people use antisocial behavior to try to get attention or to make people think they're cool/edgy/special. People with antisocial personality disorder ARE special; they're fortunately fairly rare. It's just that it's the kind of special that needs to be avoided like you would avoid West Nile virus.

Much like anyone else, I'm a work in progress, with the misfortune of having a poorly poured foundation that occasionally needs the cracks patched.

Consequently, I've spent quite a bit of time the last year re-thinking some things I thought I had down.  I've stayed away from posting in clearly radioactive threads because it isn't much fun for anyone involved.

Being deliberately misquoted to the point of bald faced lying, as above, I just won't stomach.  I don't care if Freeky thinks I am a bad person.  I do care if she's lying about something I've said.

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

Yeah, that's a big one.  The guys who read RAW and assume we're all Libertarians.   

There was also that quote about people who are on welfare are categorically and without exception lazy, evil people who shouldn't be supported by HIS TAX DOLLARS, and essentially the subtext was they should all be put on the street.

Never said anything of the sort, ever.

Fucking liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzPCcwChewM

Best scene from True Romance, which was full of great scenes.

NSFW for being racist as shit.

That's a damn shame.  True romance is still one of my favorite movies of all time, enemy of the state was ahead of it's time, and top gun made every boy on my block want to be a fighter pilot. 

I'm curious to know what was so insurmountable that he'd leave his kids.  Were he and his brother not so close recently that his burden couldn't be shared?

For such a low key guy to go in such a flashy way is rather odd.  Think I'll spin up true romance tonight in memory of a great film maker.   

I'm expecting Fox News to mention how close this was to Columbine at some point for added effect. Someone let me know if I get BINGO, ya?

CNN did.  Didn't see Fox mention it in their article.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

It's at the bottom.

when i was down there this year last month it was painfully obvious that PRI was extremely well funded.  you couldn't drive 2 blocks without passing 5 billboards with one of their candidates faces smiling back at you. that and every bus skinned the same way.  that should scare the shit out of anyone with any sense, because there's only one reason to have that sort of coverage and funding.  what didn't surprise me but was disturbing none the less was the number of young people i talked to who were pulling for pri.  they didn't really experience the full force of the70 years they held power, and seemed to have rose colored glasses on about them being dominant again.  sure, many top, prominent members of the party were actually caught being corrupt and disgraced or jailed, but the bulk of the hands that were given free reign to grab what they could at the expense of everyone else, with impunity, are still there, just waitingto return to their old profession. 

I have it on good authority that the reason Veracruz has remained relatively violence free its that the local pols are allowing Sinaloa to traffic north without too much heat with the understanding that the drugs keep moving north, and the body count stays low. 

after that truck full of bodies was dumped in the middle of the busiest and most touristy intersection, and the city fired every cop and brought in the navy, it has been fairly quiet. 

I didn't want a tangent on this thread, BTW.  I was hoping to argue merits.  Clearly I'm too monstrous for that.

Yes.

See, Picklefucker, I learned a while back, when you regularly posted really vile personal insults while drunk, that there is no point in putting the effort into talking to you.  The last couple of times I was poking at you, I wasn't even doing it because of what you said way back when, I was (and am) calling you a dipshit because you are.  You post the most outrageously stupid and flawed logic, side with rich and/or white ppls (even if it's subconscious, you do) every single time something like that crops up, and some other third thing. 

Now before you ask me why I bother putting forth any time, I'll just come out and say it: It's probably got something to do with your opinions that you've made quite clear before, which have already been mentioned.

Ah.  Understood.

Enjoy the circle jerk.

I'll go then.

There are other worlds than these.

Well, many things, but let's start with the standards of human decency. That's a nice non-controversial answer, innit?

And then we get to the conspiracy theory territory. Nice.

Missed that part.

So ok, the only people who get to benefit from wages that increase on a mandatory basis based on the rate of inflation are public sector employees, who's state governments directly benefit from the rate of inflation caused by the monetary policy enacted at the federal level.   That's a standard of human decency, for a minority of workers in any state's population, that the majority will never receive? 

It's not the 1%, but it's certainly more like the 25%.

You'll have to be more specific about this part:

And then we get to the conspiracy theory territory. Nice.

Just saying it doesn't make it so.