Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 04:50:48 AMCommunists(Marxists) want to achieve a stateless society by making people go through Socialism first(Unless they are Anarcho-Communist) with belief that humans in general are products of the conditions they grew up in, it was based off of the Paris Commune in 1871's system originally. "Classes" refers to classes of power, for example bosses/corporate CEOs are a class in that they have legal/economic power over their employees in all workplaces and can lobby to control politics. Apparently Eris/Discordia also dislikes them because of many being so controlling.Quote from: Reginald Ret on July 13, 2015, 08:04:48 AMQuote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 12, 2015, 02:05:54 PMThanks, that clears up what the propositions are.
Well, instead of comparing Russia during communism to Russia before and after communism to determine the effect of communism on russia's quality of life they instead compare Russia under communism to a completely unrelated country, ie. the USA
Now, who are the persons?
I'm still not clear if you are commenting on Demolition Squid vs. the Capitalism/Communism debate or on Capitalism vs Communism.
Or maybe you mean Common sense vs Capitalism? I just can't tell.
I'm commenting on capitalism vs. communism itself, and specifically how it is portrayed in western propaganda.
There are also elements of cherrypicking and post hoc ergo propter hoc to the standard narrative which essentially states that "Russia was a terrible place to live during communism therefore communism was responsible for everything that was bad about Russia was due to communism" but this narrative is wrong because Russia was a very bad place to live prior to communism and continues to be a very bad place to live decades after communism, therefore communism only accounts for the relatively difference between bad and terrible. (and furthermore, all of this is ignoring the fact that the USSR (all communist countries in fact) was communist in name only; they were neither classless nor stateless)
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While I'm on the topic of strawman arguments and stateless communist societies, I just thought of a great argument to troll neocons with; simply tell them that their opposition to big goverment means they are in favor of a stateless society and therefore a communist.
The "Communist"(Using Socialism as a means unless Anarcho-Communist) path to abolition of the state is slower, the Anarchist path is quick and immediate. That is the different between Anarchists and Communists.