Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Hangero on December 05, 2006, 10:35:03 PM

Title: I am Intrigued
Post by: Hangero on December 05, 2006, 10:35:03 PM
What would a stranger noob like me need to know to get in on the ground floor of operations in this little disorganization?

I read the phamplet already, but out of order since the assembly instructions are magnificiently complicated, and also couldn't help but feel like it ends on a bit of a mystery.

What I am left wondering is, is there more?  Most of the phamplet felt like preaching to choir for me, and considering that, I have to ask (not to sounds Matrix cliche) does this rabbit hole run any deeper?

Also I think I was encouraged to check this stuff out, it seems like the avant garde of Discord.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 05, 2006, 10:56:33 PM
I can't speak for anyone else that's contributed to the project, but personally, I tend to consider myself more as someone who has shitloads of questions and dialogues about them in a manner that occasionally leads me to an insight into something.

But I'd be a lying motherfucker if I said I had Answers(tm).

But every voice in the conversation adds an exponential layer of feedback and perspective, so welcome aboard. Props on the Macho Man avatar.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LHX on December 05, 2006, 11:23:41 PM
humility, creativity, and progress seem to be the name of the game

people heading in the same direction have a tendency to end up in the same place at some point


there is a 'WE' here, but there is also a revolving door

enjoy

welcome
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 12:50:34 PM
The process tends to go like this:

Make an insight.  Delve into it.  Post it.

Then, we all offer our take on it.  Hopefully, we bring a new angle to it, shed more light on it.

Sometimes, we call utter bullshit on it.  Sorry, them's the breaks.

Then, we refine it, and see if it can be made into a pamphlet, or something.


So:  Fire away.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 02:52:59 PM
I look at it as a no-joke approach to Discordianism.  In the process, these new, or new to us, metaphors evolved.  It was and is quite magical. 

Yeah, the first pamphlet was a little preachy.  And it did scare some pd.com regulars.  But, I think we wanted to get down to the brass tacks to use a cliche.  The Principia Discordia was great but, sometimes, it felt like maybe the humor got in the way of the message.  And certainly, today, the humor would just plain get lost.  It's outdated. 

This effort is an attempt to update the message, in the process, we've taken it our own way, whoever the our is.  So as everyone has said, and I will echo, pull up a chair, bean-bag, toadstool, whatever and ante up. 
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 02:52:59 PM

I look at it as a no-joke approach to Discordianism. 


My advice is - don't lose the joke. The truth will set you free. You can tell it's the truth cos it makes you laugh. I loved the BIP but only cos I got that shit years ago. I still see it as a joke. The universe is pretty much one big cosmic joke as far as I'm concerned. Laughing at it is freedom.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:11:25 PM
Yeah, but there's a difference between the Cosmic Joke, and "LOL!  Pineal Gland!  23 Skidoo!  LOL!"
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:11:25 PM
Yeah, but there's a difference between the Cosmic Joke, and "LOL!  Pineal Gland!  23 Skidoo!  LOL!"

Don't get me wrong PD is seriously old hat. But ffs lighten up the next release. Imagine BIP from the POV of someone who gains insight from it. That's some alienating shit right there.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:15:57 PM
Feel free to contribute.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful.  

The problem with the humor is that you potentially get people focusing on the wrong thing.  For example, the "enlightened" Portland discordians who go around spray painting Fnord on the Longfellow statue.  What the fuck is that really accomplishing besides making some poor underpaid sap stand out in the cold with a sandblaster.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:15:57 PM
Feel free to contribute.

Unfortunately what you've read so far is as good as my shit gets. If you think any of it is worthy then by all means nick it, plaguiarise it, fuck it out of context. Take credit for it if you want. My thoughts are public domain. If you want to commission a brainfart then gimme a spec and see how disappointed you are with the end result.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:22:27 PM
Cool.  Let's do it this way:  No one has completely agreed upon what the BIP actualls is.  Same with the Machine,Ñ¢. 

Write up your takes on both things, and we'll jam 'em in the next edition.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful. 

Fear is a shit way to motivate people. For a start they're prolly gonna adopt that "oh ffs I can see whats happening but there's nothing I can do about it" mindset. So how to break that down? Prolly not by making them even more scared.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:24:49 PM
Worked for Crowley...
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LHX on December 06, 2006, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful. 

The problem with the humor is that you potentially get people focusing on the wrong thing.  For example, the "enlightened" Portland discordians who go around spray painting Fnord on the Longfellow statue.  What the fuck is that really accomplishing besides making some poor underpaid sap stand out in the cold with a sandblaster.

it would be funny if somebody put a cartoon bubble coming out of a statues mouth that said something like "Help!"
or
"I turned into metal!"

but seriously
as far as the tone of BIP goes
future endeavors will only get better and better

its the nature of the beast
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 06:27:35 PM
To SC's prior point:
Sure, if we jolted them, and then continued to jolt them it would be counterproductive.

To be fair, there have been plans to go into different directions.  There was even an idea for "Lollercaust" which would incorporate some humor.  

The way things are, some people need to be jolted out of their complacency.  Why else would they leave it?  There not going to leave it for a laugh.  
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:28:35 PM
Yeah, we also were planning on a "mystic" edition.

Feel free to contribute to either of those, as well.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LHX on December 06, 2006, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 06, 2006, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful. 

Fear is a shit way to motivate people. For a start they're prolly gonna adopt that "oh ffs I can see whats happening but there's nothing I can do about it" mindset. So how to break that down? Prolly not by making them even more scared.

people snap when under enough pressure

when the situation is bad enough, any change is a good change

it would better to see people break down than see them contribute to a bad situation
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:28:35 PM
Yeah, we also were planning on a "mystic" edition.

Feel free to contribute to either of those, as well.

Wrote this one years ago, needs work but I was quite pleased with the upshot.

An Essay on the Attainment of Understanding of the Universal Truth

   Why do you read these words friend? Do you seek the truth? Understanding, enlightenment? Is there a part of you that yearns to know? Ask yourself this question and keep asking until you are sure that the answer is yes. Know this; The answer is always yes. It's the cornerstone of the human condition. It's the nearest thing to a reason we have for being here; this quest for enlightenment, this voyage of discovery. It matters little, whether you see yourself as the most mundane creature of instinct or the scholar, artist or philosopher, child or adult. The question invariably serves as the pilot of your flame, the very essence of your self. And take comfort in this fact, a fact as irrefuttable as any other; one day you will find the grail which you seek. One day you will end your journey arriving at the gates of the truth. It's just a question of time and you have all the time in the world. Even, perhaps, a little more.
   But of the truth itself? Alas therein lies the rub. For just as you are bound by fate to, one day, uncover this mysterious and elusive pearl of wisdom the reverse of this very same coin. Tails..
   The ultimate truth, the cosmic principle is one which cannot be grasped by the feeble mind of man, no matter how learned or intellectually athletic you may consider yourself to be, you are not equipped to understand the universal fact. Have I lost you. Does this proposition seem paradoxical, even a little absurd? Good for this is my first lesson, the lesson of paradox. Seek out paradox as the philatelist seeks out stamps, or as the librarian seeks out books. Hoard them as the miser hoards his gold. To what end?
   A paradox serves as a candle fueled by mind, burning away the detrius of rational thought and logic, make no mistake, it is the mind that forms the obstacle. Thought is the real enemy here. Meditate upon the words of the great Bhuddist master Ma-tsu (709-788AD):
the Monk Liang of Hsi-shan was lecturing on the sutras one day whereupon Ma-tsu asked of him: "What sutra do you lecture on Liang of Hsi-shan?"
"The mind sutra," replied Liang
"And by what means do you lecture?" the master asked
"With mind" replied the monk
"The mind is like an actor," Ma-tsu said, "the meaning like a jester, the six senses like an acquaintance ; how can the mind lecture on a sutra?"
"If mind cannot lecture, can't no-mind?" Liang enquired
"Yes," was the reply, "no mind can lecture all right."
   The concept of no-mind is just one of a myriad of excellent paradox which the philosophy of Zen has given us and I would recommend to any seeker after truth that they read as many Zen "Koans" as they can get their hands on. For only when these candles of paradox are lit in quantity sufficient that their brilliance pales the midday sun itself, will the understanding come within a whiskers breadth of your grasp. Make no mistake the truth is not an intellectual understanding and hence the intellect will only ever serve to impede appreciation.
   Not convinced? Still clinging on to the old axiom that the human mind is capable of anything? Forget it sunshine. Yes, okay, I'm prepared to concede that the mind may be capable of anything but even the mighty human brain falls flat on it's lobes when it tries to get to grips with nothing. Still don't believe me? Okay try this little exercise; Imagine nothing, visualise absolute, total zilch. Take your time, there's no rush, really concentrate now, absolutely nothing whatsoever. Got it? Simple you say, nothing to it (pardon the pun). Okay bright eyes, answer me this; what did it look like? Most people say black. Some say white. So what does that tell you? It tell's me you didn't imagine nothing, Black and white are something!
   So where does that leave us? If nothing really is impossible to comprehend then how can we possibly understand a concept which has it's roots in that same nothingness? It's like I told you already; you can't. But don't despair just yet. It's not all doom and gloom, in fact doom and gloom are two very tangible entities which have no place in this realm of nothingness. Quite the contrary, once you accept that nothing is the key it can be quite fun, in a non-existant sort of way. But the method of uncovering this mysterious key? Well that's going to require the application of a little lateral thinking.
   Okay so we're looking for nothing with equipment that is only capable of finding something. What do we do. This is the sneaky bit so pay close attention. Imagine a detective searching for a murderer who has escaped into the mountains. He is presented with the reverse of our problem. He is looking for something or, in this case, someone, but the only clues he has to go on are the manifestations of two, very significant, absences.
   Absence number one: The vagabond himself. The razor sharp mind of the detective can instantly establish that the murderer is not here. A good start. This should save him years, possibly even decades, of sitting around thinking he's captured the criminal and puzzling over why it's proving so difficult to arrest him.
   Absence number two: a large number of boot-shaped quantities of no-snow, extending in two parallel lines, about a metre apart, for a mile and a half, up to the door of a secluded log cabin half way up the slope. And... Bingo! Now I'm sure you will agree that our hero would be wasting his time following the snow, but if he turns his attention to the trail of manifestations of lack of snow he has his man.
   Could it be that we can use a similar approach, enabling us to track down nothing, by following a trail of lack-of-nothings or, as they are commonly known; Things? You're damn right we can! Try to look at things, not as manifestations of themselves but as uniform absences of nothing. Just as the footprint in the snow is not a thing in itself, rather it is conspicuous as an abscence or a hole in the snow around it. And yet it exists, even to the extent that we have given it a name. Everything can be viewed from these two opposing perspectives. Take a black dot in the centre of a white circle. It could be a representation of something, surrounded by nothing, but equally so it may be a representation of nothing surrounded by something. Each perspective gives gives an equally valid, albeit contradictory, impression.
   So it is with the phenomenon which modern physics describes as antimatter. The scientific establishment is more or less agreed that it exists, but the scientists are having a bit of a tough time proving it. One reason for this difficulty may be because it doesn't actually exist. Rather it is a state which comprises the antithesis of existance. This raises a very serious question; does existance itself actually exist or is it merely the state in which non-existance is able to manifest. On which side of the looking glass do we stand?
   To answer this question let us return to the original conundrum; How do we find the unmanifest from our manifest perspective? We must be prepared to accept that the only reason an object is able to exist is as a result of it's lack of non-existance, it's really just a footprint in nothingness. Just as we cannot have light without darkness or cold without hot, so it is with manifest und unmanifest. It is this juxtaposition of states or degrees of existance that gives rise to the framework of the universe as we know it. Recently physics has been arriving the same conclusion with it's hypothesis of quanta and probability wave. Isn't it funny that the paths of science and esoteric metaphysics seem to be converging? It certainly strikes me as more than a little ironic, considering the vast gulf that has existed in the past.
   To trully understand anything we must be prepared to analyse it from both perspectives, balancing the existential reality of the phenomena with an analysis of the non-existential manifestation. Most of the time this rule is not applied and that is why it is so hard to gain the understanding which we seek. This is all perfectly understandable given that we find ourselves, apparently, existing in the material world, but because this is our plane of existance we are generally unable to see the wood for the trees, as it were. We are looking at the cosmic sphere from inside and this makes it difficult to appreciate it from outside. Think of how the earth looks from space, its a beautiful shiny, sparkly ol' ball of blue and green and brown, but from down here it looks flat to the extent where it was generally believed to be flat, right up until the point where Columbus completely failed in his suicidal attempt to sail off the edge.
   To further complicate the issue I think I'd better point out that hitherto we have been looking at the situation in terms of three dimensional, geometric analysis. It might have escaped your notice but sooner or later we are going to have to take account of time, as well as space, and that's where it really starts to get good, or bad, depending on how you feel about it. To understand time it helps if you've read "Moonchild" by Aleister Crowley. Now I know some of you might not be altogether comfortable with this proposition, given that he really was a wicked old bugger, so I'll save you having to compromise your principles by analysing the relevent passage here.
   In the book one of the characters, in explaining the limitations of human comprehension to another, gives a wonderful example based on the idea of a race of two dimensional creatures. Imagine, if you will, the problems which would be faced by a creature which only existed in two dimesions- X and Y, when presented with a three dimensional object. It helps if you think about this creature's universe in terms of the surface of a pond. Now if you were to present this creature with, say, a cube, introducing the cube through the surface of the water. You should begin to understand how the 2D creature would see it, not as a cube, for that is a three dimensional object, but as a geometric plane which changed size and shape the further it was submerged. If the cube were put in flat, the creature would perceive it as a square, or a diamond shape, but if it were pointed corner-first it would perceive first a point, then a triangle which would grow in size, until it reached the middle then dimish toward a point.
   Now we can conclude from this example that the  impression gained by our 2D friend would be innacurate. So what if space has more than three dimesions, wouldn't we be similary afflicted? It's my own personal theory that the "Dimension" of time is nothing more than our way of compensating for this 4th dimensional deficiency. Now if I am right then that means we are going to be unable to understand real space and time, never mind the unmanifest counterpart. Is'nt that a bummer?
   So how many dimesions are there? Five? Six? Twenty? One Hundred and thirteen? A Million?  Personally I like the idea that time and space consist of an infinite number of dimensions, but I understand that this might not be to everyones taste so, for sake of argument let's split the difference and call it ten. The bottom line is that it isn't really important how many there are as long as you can accept that there are more than four.
   With this in mind, let us turn our attention to the implications raised when time is taken, not as a measure of distance, as it generally seems to present itself, but as a way of compensating for our perceptual inability to see beyond our three dimensional perspective. Like the Z-factor employed in two dimensional representaions of spacial geometry. One paradigm we can, if we chose to, extrapoloate from this premise, is that, based on the infinite universe model, favoured  nowadays, time does not exist and what we are experiencing is a delineated interpretation of something, which we might as well call infinity, because we are unable to see it in it's completeness.
   My washing machine is on it's last, erm.. whatever you call those, funny, little, adjustable things at the bottom of washing machines. Feet I think. The impeller is busted and the pump don't pump. It's Sunday, washday, and I'm sitting there, spending some quality time with my old, cubic companion. I'm draining the sump, via a short, black, rubber drainage pipe, with a long, plastic bung in the end, into a red bucket, which my former flatmate had presented to me, when we met back at the house, from one of our  prospective, weekend binges.
   "It's a bucket of fire!", I was told, "Look it even says so on the side!". I, reluctantly, looked at the side of the bucket, where the legend, "FIRE", was, indeed, emblazoned into the plastic in large, outine-block capitals. It turned out that he and his fellow drunken redprobates had pinched it from a gas station during an orgy of inebriated stupidity. "So your weekend was much the same as mine." I observed.
   So here I am, kneeling on the floor, contemplating the universe and generally managing to feel like something out of a book called "Zen and the art of Hotpoint maintenance". And I'm staring into this bucket, smoking a jpint and thinking about how really pretty the swirly patterns, caused by the flow from the sump-pipe eddying the little islands of tiny bubbles, are. If I move my head out of the light, it twinkles on the cloudy water, and flashes from miniscule, frothy, spirals.
   "Light", I think to myself, "has an additive quality." The closer to full-white it becomes, the more the other colours and shades are blotted out, till, with enough light, whiteness is all that you see. If anyone is into 3D rendering, you will understand how, even with a really black scene, if you fill it up with really bright lighting, it eventually reaches a point where your image file, which you have waited two hours for, is just a blank, white, flooded bitmap.
   I think to myself, ".mm, Even if I were to take just the half hour which I've been watching this little lightshow, and set a camera up to take a shot, with a 30 minute exposure, all I would get would be a white picture, with a "Quality Assurance - you -messed -this -one -up -not -us-", type sticker, from the developer labs.
   Perhappenings, time is nothing more than our "Z-factor", a way of our senses, representing, to us, the boundless light of infinity. It follows, then, that the manifestation of infinity is instantaneous. And this starts to raise issues of existentialism. Since a T=0 value, when applied to the old equation S=D/T : T=D/S produces a result of 0 for any value, including infinity, given to the S&D constants. Hence, mathematics points to a solution of X=infinity : X=0. This would seem to tie in with the negative veils described in the Otz Chiim. And it certainly helps when dealing with that age old conundrum, concerning just exactly where the big bang took place. I think I'm going to start referring to it as the big flash, and it didn't take place, exactly, it took time!!

   "We look backward too much and we look forward too much; thus we miss the only eternity of which we can be absolutely sure - the eternal present, for it is always now." - William Phelps

Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:40:54 PM
Whoa.  Long.


I think I have to read it later.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 06, 2006, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 06, 2006, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful. 

Fear is a shit way to motivate people. For a start they're prolly gonna adopt that "oh ffs I can see whats happening but there's nothing I can do about it" mindset. So how to break that down? Prolly not by making them even more scared.

people snap when under enough pressure

when the situation is bad enough, any change is a good change

it would better to see people break down than see them contribute to a bad situation

Debatable but I'm sure you'd agree it's better to see people get totally positive about action than break down?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 06, 2006, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 06, 2006, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 06, 2006, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 06:18:32 PM
I disagree, with SC.  Mostly because I've had people I know, here in the real world, read it and of all the various comments I heard, none of them had to do with it being too heavy.  Scary maybe, but truthful. 

Fear is a shit way to motivate people. For a start they're prolly gonna adopt that "oh ffs I can see whats happening but there's nothing I can do about it" mindset. So how to break that down? Prolly not by making them even more scared.

people snap when under enough pressure

when the situation is bad enough, any change is a good change

it would better to see people break down than see them contribute to a bad situation

Debatable but I'm sure you'd agree it's better to see people get totally positive about action than break down?

If it is an option yes. 
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: Jenne on December 06, 2006, 06:52:03 PM
I think both approaches work for different sets of people.

Those like myself who had to realize that my, what does LMNO call it?  "white sheep" life was bullshit, had to have a "come to Jesus" moment that already scared them out of their usual frame of mind in order to accept something like this.

Then there are those that have always  lived the effects of that kind of shake-up all their lives, and they need something more enticing like "the comedy of life" and other humorous/ironic aspects of human existence to bring them in and hook them.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 06:53:56 PM
Wait, I called it what?


I may have, but I can't remember.

Remind me?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: Jenne on December 06, 2006, 06:56:36 PM
"White sheep"...that's what you referred to your own life as.  When at EB&G we were discussing penultimate moments IRL.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: Jenne on December 06, 2006, 06:52:03 PM
I think both approaches work for different sets of people.

Those like myself who had to realize that my, what does LMNO call it?  "white sheep" life was bullshit, had to have a "come to Jesus" moment that already scared them out of their usual frame of mind in order to accept something like this.

Then there are those that have always  lived the effects of that kind of shake-up all their lives, and they need something more enticing like "the comedy of life" and other humorous/ironic aspects of human existence to bring them in and hook them.

This is true.  The Jolt Approach does run some risks of alienating those who may have some potential of seeing what we are saying.  And there is some benefit in humor for some as well.  

For my part, I enjoyed the humor of the PD when it was given to me by a friend.  However, the parts that were more immediate to me were the more "to the point" parts like "The Golden Secret."  

The ones who don't get the line about "If you think the Principia is a ha ha, read it again" I think are the ones who may need the jolt because they are missing the point entirely.  
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:01:04 PM
Ah, yes.  I think I recall.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 06, 2006, 07:00:36 PM

This is true.  The Jolt Approach does run some risks of alienating those who may have some potential of seeing what we are saying.  And there is some benefit in humor for some as well. 


Conceed that there are 2 types of people and not just people like me. From my POV if I hadn't read PD and came across the BIP I'd have read it for entertainment value and never logged on. When I found this place I spent a whole day at work reading LMNO PI and pissing myself laughing at HIMEOBS slogans. Thats why I made an account but yeah, you're right some people prolly need a hard slap in the face. Maybe with some serious militant/occult diatribes, interspersed with complete bollix from the likes of me, we'll have a winning formula.

BTW - just wanted to make clear that I'm not dissing the BIP in any way. Whoever wrote that can come round my house and fuck my sister anyday. Was more the negative emphasis I disagree with.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:21:40 PM
1. What does your sister look like?

2.  ANAL?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:21:40 PM
1. What does your sister look like?

2.  ANAL?

1. A female version of me, stubble and all.

2. Yeah but she doesn't squeeze tight enuff for my taste.

3. She's a fkin witch with a strapon tho ;)
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:25:02 PM
Sounds yummy.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:26:39 PM
So did you write BIP or are you just interested in my sister?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:29:07 PM
I wrote the "Hey kid, welcome to prison" and "The nature of reality" essays.  The rest were submitted by others on the board.


edit:  so, it looks like your sister's getting gang-banged.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:29:07 PM
I wrote the "Hey kid, welcome to prison" and "The nature of reality" essays.  The rest were submitted by others on the board.

Gonna have to give it another read I was remembering it as just one essay.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:29:07 PM

edit:  so, it looks like your sister's getting gang-banged.


Didn't realise you knew here webcam adress
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: AFK on December 06, 2006, 07:33:02 PM
I'm guessing, but I'd say there were at least ;7 or 8 contributors to it.  Mine was the one about the American Dream
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:33:19 PM
Click the link in my sig for a pdf copy.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 06, 2006, 07:39:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 06, 2006, 07:33:19 PM
Click the link in my sig for a pdf copy.

Yah - that's where I found it originally.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 07, 2006, 07:43:52 PM
My take on the machine, as requested:

I want to ask you a question. Ever feel like you're a cog in a machine? If the answer is yes then congratulations - you've worked it out. This changes nothing. You're still a cog in a machine. Let me ask you another question. Would you like to know what the machine is? Would you like to know what it does? Would you like to know more about the machine? Read on I'll tell you all about it. After you're finished reading you'll still be a cog in the machine.

I am the machine. I made you. I put you here. I made the place you work. I made the country you live in and the people who live in it with you. I made the governments and the unions, the laws, the taxes, the religions, the wars... This is the machine and I exist for one purpose and one purpose only. My purpose is to keep you in the dark. My purpose is not to keep humanity in the dark. Just you, my favourite cog, grinding away in the pitch black hell of my almighty machinery.

Day in day out you churn and turn with all the other cogs I put there to keep you company. I produce your food and put a roof over your head. I give you dreams of utopia when you sleep at night, and nightmares fuelled by conscience to keep you turning as the sun comes around and you wake up, put on your clothes and take the trip to work, same as yesterday and the day before and the day before that. Be a good cog and I'll reward you with all manner of pretty things from widescreen color tv's to holidays in the sun to satisy your every desire and whim, Be a bad cog and I'll make your daily grind a living hell and take away the things and the people you cling to. I am the machine and this is what I do.

You may be my favourite cog but know this. Your are utterly irrelevent in my eyes. Whether you play good cog or bad cog the situation remains unchanged. You're trapped here, by me, simply because it amuses me. It amuses me to see you succeed and it amuses me to see you suffer. You may be wondering who built a machine like me. You may be surprised to learn that you did. Now, for both of our sakes, please endeavour to forget you ever read this. Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: Triple Zero on December 07, 2006, 07:55:39 PM
:mittens:

(and if anyone's gonna print this, be sure to fix the spelling error "irrelevent")
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: B_M_W on December 07, 2006, 08:26:28 PM
It was very nice.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 01:02:51 PM
I like the first person take on it.


Would you mind if I edited it up a little bit?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LHX on December 08, 2006, 02:39:38 PM
put a suggestion of a looming shapeshifting threat in this and its FTW

something along the lines of "and feel free to shoot the messenger if you want -- as many as you can find"

otherwise people tend to take it personal and are liable to feel that they can be stand-offish about it


egos and chest puffing etc
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 08, 2006, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 01:02:51 PM
I like the first person take on it.


Would you mind if I edited it up a little bit?

Be my pleasure.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:01:45 PM
Kinky.

Buy me dinner first?
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 08, 2006, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:01:45 PM
Kinky.

Buy me dinner first?

KK but I expect to get my leg over for that.
Title: Re: I am Intrigued
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 09, 2006, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Hangero on December 05, 2006, 10:35:03 PM
What would a stranger noob like me need to know to get in on the ground floor of operations in this little disorganization?

I read the phamplet already, but out of order since the assembly instructions are magnificiently complicated, and also couldn't help but feel like it ends on a bit of a mystery.

What I am left wondering is, is there more?  Most of the phamplet felt like preaching to choir for me, and considering that, I have to ask (not to sounds Matrix cliche) does this rabbit hole run any deeper?

Also I think I was encouraged to check this stuff out, it seems like the avant garde of Discord.

Yeah, it runs deeper. You could always try laying waste to a deserving forum (a pedophile forum, for instance).