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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 01:18:25 AM

Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 01:18:25 AM
Originally written for MW

Alright, you so-called "liberals", what the HELL do you think you're doing?  Looking around me, the cause of liberalism in this country has devolved into the exact same thing they used to oppose.  Now, stop looking at me that way, because you know it's true.  Yeah, the supposed "conservatives" chew away at our liberties like crazed weasels,  but haven't you been doing the same thing?

Sure you have.  Whether it be gun control, hate speech, or hollering that people shouldn't be praying in school (the exclusionary clause says they can pray anytime they please, remember), you are also attacking the constitution.  Hell, at least the "conservatives" have that hilarious conviction that they're right in all things...YOU, on the other hand, spend far too much time wringing your hands in angsty self-doubt before screwing the other guy.

Liberalism has gone from addressing REAL social injustices - such as civil rights and unfair labor practices - to screeching about nuclear power, or whether enough money is being spent on the plight of cute bunnies being used to test medicine.  And don't even get me STARTED on the anti-semitism creeping out of the fringe left.  Isreal didn't cause our problems, Bobdammit!  WE did.  But, hey, why blame ourselves, when there's a convenient JOO waiting to be blamed, right?

Or maybe you're a little too smart to be dumb and a little too dumb to be smart, and you've avoided the above pitfalls.  Then you might just be part of the segment of the left that is perfectly happy to run right out and shoot themselves in the foot by falling for every stupid trick the opposition pulls.  For example, the memos that trashed Dan Rather were not only forgeries, but they were written by the deputy chairman of the Republican party.  Isn't that a SCREAM?  And that dumbass - and his fans - FELL for it...just like most of the left fell for the Diebold scam...while everyone was looking at the voting machines, Karl Rove was busy putting Gay marriage referendums on the swing state ballots, and giggling his ass off.  You have to hand it to the GOP...they've managed to outsmart the pitiful Dems on every occasion.

Now, the FUNNIEST thing about what passes for liberals today, is that they are completely unable to stay on their message.  First example: The anti-war movement.  Go to an anti-war demonstration, sometime, and count how many banners and signs actually have anything to do with the war.  You'll be lucky to see 25%.  No, the PETA crowd has to pimp their message, and the WTO crowd isn't gonna miss the chance to spread THEIR word, etc,  and to HELL with the original intent of the protest.  Is it any wonder that NOBODY takes these demonstrators seriously?

Second example is my favorite moron, John Kerry.  While even Al Gore had the sense to adhere to Gingrich's Rule (pick 10 issues and talk about NOTHING else), John Kerry went chasing after every hilarious "issue" that Karl Rove and Sean Hannity could dream up over a few beers.  Then, of course, there's always the "Me too!" idiocy.  Liberals have fallen for the meme the GOP has been chanting since 1994:  Be more "moderate" and "reasonable", or people won't elect you.  As a result, Kerry - and the rest of the Dems - spend all their time screaming about how they're just like the GOP, only different.  Given the choice between a republican and a republican, people will vote for the republican every time.

The last thing I want to rant about today is how damn near every liberal in America feels they have to apologize for being liberal...as if it is some kind of disgrace to hold the same views as Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, or James Madison.  Hell, even JAMES CARVILLE now says "progressive", as if "liberal" was some kind of dirty word.  This is EXACTLY why I'm not a democrat; I don't hang out with mealy-mouthed sissies.  The only Democrat with any balls at all is Russ Fiengold, and one biped just isn't enough.

So let me go on record as saying that I'm liberal as hell.  I support the bill of rights in its entirety.  Not only do I SAY what I please, WRITE what I please, and BELIEVE what I please, I'm ARMED, and I actively encourage everyone else to do the same.  I HATE the Bush adminstration for listening in on our phone conversations (my friends and I occasionally blast air horns into the phone, just in case some jackass with earphones on is listening) and reading our mail.  I don't get distracted by peripheral issues like the rights of the three-toed sloth or whether or not some Christian teenager is praying beside his school locker.  The only cause I adhere to is liberty and maybe a little justice, and I've got a finger on one hand up to anyone who decides that this somehow makes me un-American.  The finger on the other hand is for the hippies who think that my disregard for their pet cause disqualifies me as being a liberal.  A PLAGUE ON BOTH OF YOUR HOUSES!

AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Or Kill Me.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Michal on June 24, 2006, 02:25:29 AM
Excellent!

LG,
-Has occasionally "prayed" in public areas just to stir the shit.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: AFK on June 24, 2006, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI don't get distracted by peripheral issues like the rights of the three-toed sloth

Haven't they figured out yet that Americans, deep down, don't REALLY care about the environment.  Sure they'll pay lip service to it to impress someone but that's only because it inflates their ego and self-worth.  It's not for a better tomorrow or for our grandchildren.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 04:09:15 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI don't get distracted by peripheral issues like the rights of the three-toed sloth

Haven't they figured out yet that Americans, deep down, don't REALLY care about the environment.  Sure they'll pay lip service to it to impress someone but that's only because it inflates their ego and self-worth.  It's not for a better tomorrow or for our grandchildren.

Meh.  Point is, it doesn't matter, at least not as much as the erosion of our liberty.

The environment may be important, but it CAN be fixed, but not while these bastards are running the show.

Step 1:  Stop the bleeding.

Step 2:  Fix the other shit.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: AFK on June 24, 2006, 04:22:36 AM
Step 3: Find someone with a Personality to do it.  And the demented Mr. Dean doesn't count.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 04:23:18 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?Step 3: Find someone with a Personality to do it.  And the demented Mr. Dean doesn't count.

Which is really too bad.  I liked him more AFTER the scream, you know.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Michal on June 24, 2006, 04:36:10 AM
I'm going to start an awareness program on eutrophication.

LG,
-Damn Yankee who cares about the environment.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 04:37:13 AM
Quote from: Lady GodivaI'm going to start an awareness program on eutrophication.

LG,
-Damn Yankee who cares about the environment.

Sooooooomeone's missing the pooooooiiiiint!

TGRR,
Dances off, stage left.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Michal on June 24, 2006, 04:39:40 AM
Yeah, I know... but it needs to be done.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: AFK on June 24, 2006, 04:44:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?Step 3: Find someone with a Personality to do it.  And the demented Mr. Dean doesn't count.

Which is really too bad.  I liked him more AFTER the scream, you know.

Anything is better than watching Al Gore's impression of a 2X4.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 04:46:01 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?Step 3: Find someone with a Personality to do it.  And the demented Mr. Dean doesn't count.

Which is really too bad.  I liked him more AFTER the scream, you know.

Anything is better than watching Al Gore's impression of a 2X4.

True.  But you shouldn't poke fun at a guy, just because he was born, tragically, without knees or elbows.

Bush - so far - has been as funny a president as I could ask for.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: putz on June 24, 2006, 08:07:02 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI don't get distracted by peripheral issues like the rights of the three-toed sloth

Haven't they figured out yet that Americans, deep down, don't REALLY care about the environment.  Sure they'll pay lip service to it to impress someone but that's only because it inflates their ego and self-worth.  It's not for a better tomorrow or for our grandchildren.
Ahem.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: deet on June 24, 2006, 08:15:56 AM
I could read stuff like this all day.

For a few days... then I think that I might want to go out and slap some sense in to people, so I try not to read it too often.

Anyhow, good luck with that :)

deet,
makes his time
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Cain on June 24, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
Heh, old skool liberalism.  I'm going to go read some reactions over the other side, I think
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on June 24, 2006, 04:28:21 PM
this is a fucking sweet rant, Roger. I'm almost tempted to go over to MW and read the reactions.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2006, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustlethis is a fucking sweet rant, Roger. I'm almost tempted to go over to MW and read the reactions.

One person called me a Joo hater. :lol:
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: That Guy on June 24, 2006, 11:29:38 PM
Will we get this one in pamphlet form, too? I live in a fairly liberal city, and would love to start dropping these about.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2006, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: That GuyWill we get this one in pamphlet form, too? I live in a fairly liberal city, and would love to start dropping these about.

Talk to the guys with the software.

I have no objection to it, as long as my byline stays in.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: LMNO on June 26, 2006, 03:18:00 PM
Attn: That Guy.

1.  Highlight the text of the original post.
2.  Ctrl + C to copy
3.  Open up Microsoft Word.
4.  Ctrl + V to paste.
5.  Ctrl + P to print.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: B_M_W on June 26, 2006, 05:54:57 PM
QuoteThe only Democrat with any balls at all is Russ Fiengold

Is it a bad thing that seeing this statement brings me an upwelling of pride and warmth to be a voting member of wisconsin?

Nice rant, BTW.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: LMNO on June 26, 2006, 06:02:30 PM
I'd love to see the fallout at MW, but I can't stand the sigs over there.

And I thought ours were annoying....
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: AFK on June 26, 2006, 06:31:51 PM
So you're saying you wouldn't like it if I added an anime fairy riding a unicorn to my sig?  

Why do you hate The Kids(tm) ?   :lol:
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Bella on June 26, 2006, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name?So you're saying you wouldn't like it if I added an anime fairy riding a unicorn to my sig?  

Why do you hate The Kids(tm) ?   :lol:
He'd like it if you added this unicorn to your sig.
I promissse........

Thumbnail for avatar/sig
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/SssBella/thumbunicorn.jpg)

Real size pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/SssBella/unicorn.jpg)

These are knitted, isn't it great?
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Commander on June 26, 2006, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Meh.  Point is, it doesn't matter, at least not as much as the erosion of our liberty.

The environment may be important, but it CAN be fixed, but not while these bastards are running the show.

Step 1:  Stop the bleeding.

Step 2:  Fix the other shit.

First of all...what is MW?  Pardon me for being out of touch, but there are far too many websites and only one me.

Second of all, I think I'm offended.  No...wait...I'm not offended, I'm proud.  On second thought, maybe I am offended. Eh, probably not.

I consider myself Liberal. VERY liberal.  Almost but not quite Commie Red Liberal.  Call me Progressive, or whatever, I am very much to the left. And yet, unlike the current trend amongst "liberal" politicians I find myself whole-heartily in favor of the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, this doesn't mean  I support Pres. Bush, agree with his reaoning behind the invasion, agree with his strategy for winning it, or the way either party has politicised the whole thing.  Our leaders should be more concerned with what is right, than with what will get them elected or get them the most financial gain.

My philosophy is pretty simple.  We have inalienable rights, which should be garaunteed and respected by all governments.  When governments deny their people these rights, or when other groups try to take these rights away, we should do everything we can to ensure thet those governments are either set on the right path or toppled, and that those other groups are defeated.  When possible we should accomplish all of this without the use of force, but when force is neccessary, we should not shirk away from it.  Shame on those countries or peoples that claim to believe in freedom and human rights who are not willing to sacrifice in order to ensure that others can enjoy them as well.  However, those who claim to fight for others freedom but are really more interested in their own political or financial gain should also be ashamed, if not arrested and thrown in jail.

I think the only thing I disagree on is the importance of the Environmental cause.  But part of the reason it is so important for us to "Stop the Bleeding" is that there may very well come a time when we will be unable to "fix" the environment.  I'd like to stop the bleeding before the damage is irreversable.

Also, the whole fight against the WTO, at least as far as I understand it, is merely a global extension of the fight for real civil rights.  It is a fight against the stripping of those rights from others through repressive financial policies.  It is no less important a fight than the fight against segregation.

However, true freedom from financial repression does not come in the form of handouts and welfare.  Does there need to be a social net to help those who hit a bad patch in the pusuit of life, liberty and happiness? Sure. But more importantly, we can truly help people find freedom and happiness by educating them about how to deal with their money and learn to manage it so that they no longer need that handout or welfare.  We invest far to little in educating our people about financial management because the Credit Card Companies and Debt Collection companies have somehow convinced society that "Debt is good" and is a "tool" to be used for financial gain.  Debt is a curse and no one will be truly free until they get rid of it and we should be helping them learn how to do so, and not helping big business by relaxing consumer protection regulations and making it harder for people to file for bankruptcy.

Check out www.daveramsey.com for more on that particular subject.

Ok, I'm done ranting.  Once I get started on debt, it's hard from me to stop.

BTW, I also liked Dean MORE after he screamed.  It's about time someone had some real passion about politics, even if I don't agree with all of their proposals.  It was refreshing.

The Commander
DIA
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: deet on June 26, 2006, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: The CommanderBTW, I also liked Dean MORE after he screamed. It's about time someone had some real passion about politics, even if I don't agree with all of their proposals. It was refreshing.

Screaming for effect works, IMO, in public addresses.
Not on TV, it doesn't look or sound quite right.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2006, 01:24:08 AM
Quote from: deet
Quote from: The CommanderBTW, I also liked Dean MORE after he screamed. It's about time someone had some real passion about politics, even if I don't agree with all of their proposals. It was refreshing.

Screaming for effect works, IMO, in public addresses.
Not on TV, it doesn't look or sound quite right.

Well, it wasn't a very high quality scream, but at least he tried.

When you do shit like that, you have to go totally berserk, or it just doesn't make the nut.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: maphdet on June 27, 2006, 04:12:54 AM
Quote from: Bella
Thumbnail for avatar/sig
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/SssBella/thumbunicorn.jpg)

Real size pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/SssBella/unicorn.jpg)

These are knitted, isn't it great?


Oh that is too funny.
They even are cute.
heh.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Felix on June 27, 2006, 05:47:38 AM
Yeah, who made those?  I'd probably buy one.

For a girl. :oops:
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2006, 05:48:47 AM
Quote from: FelixYeah, who made those?  I'd probably buy one.

For a girl. :oops:

Screw that.  I'd buy one, and put it right over the bar.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: deet on June 27, 2006, 06:22:20 AM
Quote from: FelixYeah, who made those?  I'd probably buy one.

For a girl. :oops:

Nothing says "I LURV YUOOO" quite like a Unicorn piercing a Teddy Bear's chest.
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Commander on June 28, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: deet
Quote from: The CommanderBTW, I also liked Dean MORE after he screamed. It's about time someone had some real passion about politics, even if I don't agree with all of their proposals. It was refreshing.

Screaming for effect works, IMO, in public addresses.
Not on TV, it doesn't look or sound quite right.

Well, it wasn't a very high quality scream, but at least he tried.

When you do shit like that, you have to go totally berserk, or it just doesn't make the nut.

It also didn't help that the media decided to play it up like he was a nutjob.  If they had taken a different tac the public would have had a totally different reaction.

The Commander
DIA
Title: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2006, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: The Commander
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: deet
Quote from: The CommanderBTW, I also liked Dean MORE after he screamed. It's about time someone had some real passion about politics, even if I don't agree with all of their proposals. It was refreshing.

Screaming for effect works, IMO, in public addresses.
Not on TV, it doesn't look or sound quite right.

Well, it wasn't a very high quality scream, but at least he tried.

When you do shit like that, you have to go totally berserk, or it just doesn't make the nut.

It also didn't help that the media decided to play it up like he was a nutjob.  If they had taken a different tac the public would have had a totally different reaction.

The Commander
DIA

This is why you don't advertise an anti-corporate message in the corporate media.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 04, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
5 year bump.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Juana on April 04, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
:mittens: to you, sir.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Absolute_Silence on April 04, 2011, 11:38:11 PM

Great rant!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 05, 2011, 12:15:44 AM
Ah one of the classics!
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: The Commander on April 05, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
Kind of weird rereading my thoughts on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  My basic views are the same.  I do see the mistake of trying to take on Iraq before making any headway with Afghanistan.  Almost a decade later I can imagine how different things would look if we and our international allies had been able to take all the resources committed to Iraq and been able to focus them on Afghanistan.

Also not sure I would describe myself with the term "liberal" anymore.  I tend to shy away from most labels like that anymore as it strikes me easy to devolve into an "us" vs "them" mentality.

Still working our way out of debt.  We've managed to pay off 70K in 5 years.  Only another 60K to go.  Still alot, but we can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Rev Roger, Sermon #41: WTF, "Liberals"?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on April 05, 2011, 04:38:19 PM
I have always loved this piece.