fuck da police!
-NWA
"You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think."
-Dobbs 1961
and fuck all those other pseudo bullshit futurist writers, who you've read, adored, and now think exactly alike and quote at every waiting turn.
fuck them! they sold you a book and you bought their mind and thought processes and can't seem to get away from it. what have they written that you can't see beyond? what have they pretensed that you cannot out pretence. the only reason, or at least one of the only reasons, they haven't told you to do teh same is simple. they make a living outof telling you how to think, how to arrange your attitudes, how to keep an open mind according to their guidelines, how to be come a medium to the dogstar sirius aliens, how to prepare for timewave zero to collapse in 2012, how to fuck like a weirdo cuz missionary is for norms only.
fuck niel gaiman, terrence mckenna, robert anton wilson, and especially an other fuck who goes around making money off the counterculture. fuck the counterculture. the counterculture became so intolerably saturated by capitalism before i was ever born that i can now invest itn eh upcoming counterculture blockbuster from the safety of my own home.
fuck that shit. if these guys were selling such incredible truths,they wouldn't ask you to buy it, they be throing off their clothes and preachign the word from teh streets, writing their workls on the walls, and beating verses relentlessy into lost lawyers and politicians.
their bullshit has become your truth
don't shy away from admitting it, even the great RAW him self has admitted he is full of shit, and i'm not about to do any different.
if reality is what you can get away with, Robert Anton Wilson and his contemporaries have got yall by the fucking calls, or filopian tubes as the case may be.
and for goddes' sake! stop quoting the monsters! is tehre anything worse than the mental enslavement to a supposedly freethinking writer's quotations?oen ofrm of idiocy replaces another, one becomes ever ignorant ont eh pretence of knowing better, one becomes a slave to the promiser of freedom. quote that motherfuckers!.
so what can you do to free yourself of tis venomus plague? what can you do to regain your own mind and thoughts?
take that futurist collection and BURN IT! save teh cover pages tho, and use them as toilet paper. then send said toilet paper with a hearty fuck you! written on it to the author of the work.
Just because you've paid for a truth doesn't make it any less true.
The American culture has become so deeply innured in capitalism that the prase "You get what you pay for" has become a subconsious directive. If you didn't pay for it, it is worthless! Is that not, after all, the very definition of "worthless"?
Yet I do see your point: Why do people make money from these great truths? Well, I have an answer for that: The money is for the entertainment factor. The truth is thrown in for free.
i agree and disagree.
it's not about the money anyway.
it's about the pretension that by listening to them, and following it, you will become a free thinker, when in reality one merely becomes a niel gaiman/raw/mckenna quoting robot, no different from a bible thumping luke/paul/john/moses quoting robot, or a realian quoting robot, or a etc. etc.
quote yourself!
and i still say fuck the futurists.
If you don't like RAW, don't read him.
Personally I don't like the futurist part of his works neither.
But I am eternally thankfull about one of my first enlighments to him, which occured to me while reading Illuminatus.
Before that I was a kind of would-be Thelemit, but couldn't see through, couldn't grasp the core of it.
And thanx to RAW at one point Thelema, Discordianism, Agnosticism, Magick and concious Brain Change became a whole to me.
I still love reading his books, because they make me remember that moment.
And by the way: If he makes a living of making people like me happy and helping us - I frankly do not care.
And even if his books wouldn't conceal the occasional thruth or two, they are still entertaining.
Don't you buy books to be entertained?
*kallisti*
Cthyga
oh yeah i still read and like RAW.
that wasn't the point.
Pay me and I'll tell you the truth.
Quoteit's about the pretension that by listening to them, and following it, you will become a free thinker, when in reality one merely becomes a niel gaiman/raw/mckenna quoting robot, no different from a bible thumping luke/paul/john/moses quoting robot, or a realian quoting robot, or a etc. etc.
quote yourself!
and i still say fuck the futurists.
Right you are Horab. But just because you quote someone, even if you quote them alot, it doesn't automatically make you a mindless automaton, either. I quote RAW and the (Christian) Bible with equal abandon, because there is truth in both, and the presentation of that truth is consise and well executed. I will quote anyone and anything that resonates with me. And half the time I can't even remeber where I learned it from.
Remember: The more you learn, the less you know.
and i'm absolutely ignorant :)
i jsut ahd a thought, whcih iu was tryingfto collect in engl;ish all day( i thinkin abstract rhythms, which can defeat translation at times)
books liek illuminatus! triolgy and et al. are a beginning, or possibly a middle.
and you can;t see the world if your ship doesn;t elave teh harbour as the old saying goes(or maybe the saying isn't old, but i'm quite sure i plaigirized soemone for that one)
Quote from: Horab
quote yourself!
I often do...
and who cares... Everything's up for sale... come on... the only people who have principles in this workaday world are mercenaries like drug dealers or psychics...
so get a tarot deck and a wig...
Then talk to me about principles
Quote from: Horaband i'm absolutely ignorant :)
i jsut ahd a thought, whcih iu was tryingfto collect in engl;ish all day( i thinkin abstract rhythms, which can defeat translation at times)
books liek illuminatus! triolgy and et al. are a beginning, or possibly a middle.
and you can;t see the world if your ship doesn;t elave teh harbour as the old saying goes(or maybe the saying isn't old, but i'm quite sure i plaigirized soemone for that one)
I have a friend who thinks in patterns of color, light. and shape....she often has translation problems. She once described someone as "blue and kind curly", which didn't help me at all. Wonder what it would be like if you two ever got together? Seriously.
In any case, I thought you did a great job of translating your thoughts into English. It made me think.......which makes me happy. And it opened up an interesting conversation with diverse points of view, which makes me even happier. Don't believe in beginnings because everything is connected......so I vote for the books being a good middle.
Quoteand who cares... Everything's up for sale... come on... the only people who have principles in this workaday world are mercenaries like drug dealers or psychics...
so get a tarot deck and a wig...
Then talk to me about principles
Yup......I'm a mercenary alright. But I don't own a wig. :wink:
Note to self: time to stop fucking RAW and actually read the book you just bought, Eye in the Pyramid. Then you'll have something to critizise. Blah.
Additional note to self: learn to play that damn gitar before you critizise teh blues! Slacker.
Additional note to self, spank the wank before you knock masturbation, handy virgosis you.
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: Horab
quote yourself!
I often do...
and who cares... Everything's up for sale... come on... the only people who have principles in this workaday world are mercenaries like drug dealers or psychics...
so get a tarot deck and a wig...
Then talk to me about principles
aye it's sorta liek that song by the pop group, we are all prostitutes.
i reckoned it is sorta like a beginning, but the analogy is fitting.
b person, i've read teh illuminatus! triolgy liek 6 and 2 half times, so i reckon i can criticize it til teh cows coem home... :P actually i consider it one of the finest pieces of literature i've ever read but that's another story altogether...
the Illuminatus TRillogy is what helped me find all you awsome people
I gotta thank RAW for that
and someone a few blips back metioned Neil Gaimen, and quoting him
I think he has some great one lines in his books
My favorite is "Now onward. Things to do. People to damage"
Good stuff
Christopher Walken has an excellent one-liner in the trailer for the new Denzel Washington movie: "Killing people is his art form... and he's working on a masterpiece."
Of course, you have to hear the Walken voice to get the full effect...
I could hear that in my head with his voice
He talks to me often
If you pay me, I will tell you where you can stick your truth.
Oh lemme guess
my ear?
oh oh oh
how about my elbow? might make moving kinda rough though...
Hey..now what a person wants to do with their truth is their thing. But for a small fee, I'll tell you what to do with it.
::opens wallet::
::batts fly out::
/hmmmm no money there
sorry
Well...Shit! I guess you're just gonna have to think for yourself then, eh?
woo hoo
guess Im all set, since thats what I already do anyway
what is truth.
is it something you believe, or something everyone believes.
try asking a suicide cult.
i dont believe in anything
everything you know is wrong, words and numbers were constructed by humans, so therfore only relevant to humans and not the universe.
something to do with toes i think, but i dont believe that either.
Quote from: slothrop23what is truth.
is it something you believe, or something everyone believes.
try asking a suicide cult.
i dont believe in anything
everything you know is wrong, words and numbers were constructed by humans, so therfore only relevant to humans and not the universe.
something to do with toes i think, but i dont believe that either.
Truth doesn't care if you believe it or not.
It doesn't even care if you see it.
It's just busy being truth....I think...or not.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: slothrop23what is truth.
is it something you believe, or something everyone believes.
try asking a suicide cult.
i dont believe in anything
everything you know is wrong, words and numbers were constructed by humans, so therfore only relevant to humans and not the universe.
something to do with toes i think, but i dont believe that either.
Truth doesn't care if you believe it or not.
It doesn't even care if you see it.
It's just busy being truth....I think...or not.
very very good answer
QuoteAhem!
::example of quoting oneself::
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCQuoteAhem!
::example of quoting oneself::
Quote from: Pope BennyQuote from: St. Hugh, KSCQuoteAhem!
::example of quoting oneself::
That's the spirit!
horab, I applaud you for this thread... and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Quote from: that doom ladyI have a friend who thinks in patterns of color, light. and shape....she often has translation problems. She once described someone as "blue and kind curly", which didn't help me at all. Wonder what it would be like if you two ever got together? Seriously.
You should read Oliver Sacks sometime. He's a neurologist who wrote a couple books covering the case histories of a couple people with similar issues. Its really weird how transitive reality is.
It basically breaks down like this. Reality exists, and we percieve it, but we each percieve it from our own unique perspective and things arent always uniform between us... in the extreme cases, it ends up like your friend.
As for RAW. I like his books, but I'm not going to do a line of his dead skin. The thing thats awesome about discordianism is that its open, completely, so we all have the ability to say fuck all the bullshit... but remember, that if you arent careful you might just replace the old bullshit with the new bullshit.
Quote from: ZombieZombieZombieQuote from: that doom ladyI have a friend who thinks in patterns of color, light. and shape....she often has translation problems. She once described someone as "blue and kind curly", which didn't help me at all. Wonder what it would be like if you two ever got together? Seriously.
You should read Oliver Sacks sometime. He's a neurologist who wrote a couple books covering the case histories of a couple people with similar issues. Its really weird how transitive reality is.
It basically breaks down like this. Reality exists, and we percieve it, but we each percieve it from our own unique perspective and things arent always uniform between us... in the extreme cases, it ends up like your friend.
As for RAW. I like his books, but I'm not going to do a line of his dead skin. The thing thats awesome about discordianism is that its open, completely, so we all have the ability to say fuck all the bullshit... but remember, that if you arent careful you might just replace the old bullshit with the new bullshit.
Oliver Sacks, huh?
Thank you....that sounds really interesting.
I'm going to have to check him out.
This is making me think......the friend I was talking about here has been diagnosed with MPD (multiple personality disorder).
I wonder if each individual alter perceives a different version of reality or if it is consistent throughout the entire personality system?
I'm gonna ask her.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: ZombieZombieZombieQuote from: that doom ladyI have a friend who thinks in patterns of color, light. and shape....she often has translation problems. She once described someone as "blue and kind curly", which didn't help me at all. Wonder what it would be like if you two ever got together? Seriously.
You should read Oliver Sacks sometime. He's a neurologist who wrote a couple books covering the case histories of a couple people with similar issues. Its really weird how transitive reality is.
It basically breaks down like this. Reality exists, and we percieve it, but we each percieve it from our own unique perspective and things arent always uniform between us... in the extreme cases, it ends up like your friend.
As for RAW. I like his books, but I'm not going to do a line of his dead skin. The thing thats awesome about discordianism is that its open, completely, so we all have the ability to say fuck all the bullshit... but remember, that if you arent careful you might just replace the old bullshit with the new bullshit.
Oliver Sacks, huh?
Thank you....that sounds really interesting.
I'm going to have to check him out.
This is making me think......the friend I was talking about here has been diagnosed with MPD (multiple personality disorder).
I wonder if each individual alter perceives a different version of reality or if it is consistent throughout the entire personality system?
I'm gonna ask her.
MPD is pretty interesting.
I've talked to a few schizophrenics, its fun, but they have a way of being too insane for me to handle.
QuoteMPD is pretty interesting.
I've talked to a few schizophrenics, its fun, but they have a way of being too insane for me to handle.
People with MPD are way different from schizophrenics. It's not like dealing with one insane person, but rather like dealing with several sane people in one body.
steal books.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuoteMPD is pretty interesting.
I've talked to a few schizophrenics, its fun, but they have a way of being too insane for me to handle.
People with MPD are way different from schizophrenics. It's not like dealing with one insane person, but rather like dealing with several sane people in one body.
Right right.
All the (truly) crazy people I know are schizophrenics.
I wonder if the different facets of people with MPD have access to the same memory cache of the brain, or if its something thats segmented according to personality...
Hmm.
Quote from: cockroachfactorsteal books.
Isnt that what google is for?
Ok, nevermind, I cant find any e-books of sacks... nope, not a single one. But I did find his website!
http://www.oliversacks.com/aboutpages/writingfrm.htm
Quote from: ZombieZombieZombieQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuoteMPD is pretty interesting.
I've talked to a few schizophrenics, its fun, but they have a way of being too insane for me to handle.
People with MPD are way different from schizophrenics. It's not like dealing with one insane person, but rather like dealing with several sane people in one body.
Right right.
All the (truly) crazy people I know are schizophrenics.
I wonder if the different facets of people with MPD have access to the same memory cache of the brain, or if its something thats segmented according to personality...
Hmm.
I've done a lot of research and would have to say that each individual system of personalities is arranged a bit differently. It's really quite complex. In general, however....individual alters and/or clusters of alters have segmented memories banks. Specific types of personalities are formed to deal with specific types of experiences, so it makes sense that they would be highly specialized and not need access to the entire memory cache.
Also....MPD is normally the result product of severe trauma, and is a way of shielding the self from further pain. Therefore, it would be counterproductive to have every self in the system remember that trauma.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: ZombieZombieZombieQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuoteMPD is pretty interesting.
I've talked to a few schizophrenics, its fun, but they have a way of being too insane for me to handle.
People with MPD are way different from schizophrenics. It's not like dealing with one insane person, but rather like dealing with several sane people in one body.
Right right.
All the (truly) crazy people I know are schizophrenics.
I wonder if the different facets of people with MPD have access to the same memory cache of the brain, or if its something thats segmented according to personality...
Hmm.
I've done a lot of research and would have to say that each individual system of personalities is arranged a bit differently. It's really quite complex. In general, however....individual alters and/or clusters of alters have segmented memories banks. Specific types of personalities are formed to deal with specific types of experiences, so it makes sense that they would be highly specialized and not need access to the entire memory cache.
Also....MPD is normally the result product of severe trauma, and is a way of shielding the self from further pain. Therefore, it would be counterproductive to have every self in the system remember that trauma.
Right right, I remember now. So you might say that it usually manifests as an extreme form (or as a result of) post-traumatic stress? The mind, not wanting to deal with trauma, or guilt, or whatever... retreats into the subconcious and reinvents itself in order to cope with it.
Bella, I get the impression that you either work in this field or have studied to do so. Would I be correct?
Quote from: ZombieZombieZombie
Right right, I remember now. So you might say that it usually manifests as an extreme form (or as a result of) post-traumatic stress? The mind, not wanting to deal with trauma, or guilt, or whatever... retreats into the subconcious and reinvents itself in order to cope with it.
Bella, I get the impression that you either work in this field or have studied to do so. Would I be correct?
Exactly.
And yes, you would be correct.
I'm not a therapist, but before taking up reading tarot for a living I worked in the counseling field and then as a victim advocate in the court system. In addition, I'm on the advisory board of an organization geared towards providing support to adult survivors of childhood trauma and wrote a booklet designed to help them deal with the legal system.
Plus, I have the added advantage....if one could call it an advantage....of having been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder of my own. My diagnosis was DDNOS, which means Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (bullshit for we don't know what's wrong, but something is)
I think of myself as the opposite of someone with MPD, because I dissociated myself from certain events and memories, rather than creating new "people" to cope with them.....basically I had a form of selective amnesia.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: ZombieZombieZombie
Right right, I remember now. So you might say that it usually manifests as an extreme form (or as a result of) post-traumatic stress? The mind, not wanting to deal with trauma, or guilt, or whatever... retreats into the subconcious and reinvents itself in order to cope with it.
Bella, I get the impression that you either work in this field or have studied to do so. Would I be correct?
Exactly.
And yes, you would be correct.
I'm not a therapist, but before taking up reading tarot for a living I worked in the counseling field and then as a victim advocate in the court system. In addition, I'm on the advisory board of an organization geared towards providing support to adult survivors of childhood trauma and wrote a booklet designed to help them deal with the legal system.
Plus, I have the added advantage....if one could call it an advantage....of having been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder of my own. My diagnosis was DDNOS, which means Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (bullshit for we don't know what's wrong, but something is)
I think of myself as the opposite of someone with MPD, because I dissociated myself from certain events and memories, rather than creating new "people" to cope with them.....basically I had a form of selective amnesia.
i knwo what my problem is, iate too much anid and now the colours won't stay still. damned colours!
Quote from: horabi knwo what my problem is, iate too much anid and now the colours won't stay still. damned colours!
I like it when the colours dance with me
Horab, mr Dobbs has finally sent the check out and he wanted me to tell you that the rant was perfect.....
Please do not discriminate against robots.
Quote from: horabquote that motherfuckers!.
am planning on saying this the next time I'm interviewed...
Quote from: horabquote that motherfuckers!.
am planning on saying this the next time I'm interviewed...
Quote from: slothrop23what is truth.
is it something you believe, or something everyone believes.
try asking a suicide cult.
i dont believe in anything
everything you know is wrong, words and numbers were constructed by humans, so therfore only relevant to humans and not the universe.
something to do with toes i think, but i dont believe that either.
and yet with those artificialy made maps we built these computers and you like to use them to say this human achievement was only achieved by what our society created... great way to think for yourself I guess. tell me how every thing works out when the lights unexpectedly go out for an extended period of time i plan on useing some mathematical formulas so I don't generate to much more energy then i need.
A thought:
Each and every one of us learns to speak a first language sometime in the first few years of our lives. We learn this language from parents, TV, and anyone else we come into contact with who speaks the same language, which most of them learned from similar sources at the same age. Almost every word we speak in our native tongue, or in any language that has at least one other speaker, is merely a copy of what we've heard someone else say before. And made-up words (like "fnord") are merely the end-result of complex combinations and rearrangements of existing words.
Therefore, everything that anyone says is technically quoting someone else. You can't avoid it. So why not quote people like RAW, if doing so is simply akin to learning to speak?
Quote from: Medeo FaboverdaTherefore, everything that anyone says is technically quoting someone else. You can't avoid it. So why not quote people like RAW, if doing so is simply akin to learning to speak?
And a damn fine thought it is too. Of course, there is a difference between learning to speak and speaking (expressing what
you want to say).
In much the same way there is a difference between learning to think and thinking. And that is IMO why people say you shouldn't quote - to them it smacks of not thinking for oneself (which is a bit of a theme in RAW's work). Of course, the flipside of that is that, "if I have seen farther than others, it was because I stood on the shoulders of giants".
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: Medeo FaboverdaTherefore, everything that anyone says is technically quoting someone else. You can't avoid it. So why not quote people like RAW, if doing so is simply akin to learning to speak?
And a damn fine thought it is too. Of course, there is a difference between learning to speak and speaking (expressing what you want to say).
In much the same way there is a difference between learning to think and thinking. And that is IMO why people say you shouldn't quote - to them it smacks of not thinking for oneself (which is a bit of a theme in RAW's work). Of course, the flipside of that is that, "if I have seen farther than others, it was because I stood on the shoulders of giants".
They might be giants, they might be wood, they might be something made out of wood...boy
mmm,
yet to have your own ideas you must have a reference from where to stand upon..at the same time you are trying never to beleive what is written but you are still unconsciously storing information in your brain that you find inadequate..then remodeling it back and fooling yourself by beleiving that you are really objective and freethinking. It's a mindtrap loop that one has to control...
:shock:
well, looks like someones been listening to their old Janet Jackson albums again.