August 2006: In the wake of the PD.com forum crash, and riding the strength of the PD06 exploration, The Discordian Network forum developed.
Originally a forum that RWHN had registered and was toying with, it developed into the center for the discussion aimed at fleshing out the philosophies presented in and related to PD, as well as compiling new Discordian material to be broadcast or distributed.
It was kept free of nonsense for the most part, and though it had been predominantly quiet in the weeks before it died, it had developed into a useful resource.
The highlights from the TDN forum:
- The general continuation of PD06 matters that were started in this forum
- this includes BIP affairs
- A renewal of SSOOKN investigation and development and a inventory of related writings
- Further probes into linguistics and the nature of communication
- Recent discussions regarding the nature of technology and robotics
Maybe this latest forum crash can serve as opportunity to take a look at where we are at now after that surge from April/May to August.
Opportunity to gather some stuff together and see where the 'We' stands at this point, as a vague collective in the process of doing a vague something.
Comedy
Philosophy
Spirituality
Technology
Bar Stools
Symbolism
PD07 and so on
a reminder that:
Inspiration (still) Requires Original Notions
add on
I will be keeping an eye on things. If it is resurrected, or if I'm somehow able to get something from the host company I will let you all know. It is very frustrating I can tell you. I wanted to provide a safe haven from crashes and nonsense. I think we were able to be free of the nonsense but ultimately there was a crash.
But to LHX's point, we should try to continue the spirit of what was going on there here in some form. Perhaps a BIP subforum? Dunno, just thinking out loud here.
Again, sorry guys that this happened. If I knew more message boards, etc., I probably would have set up shop somewhere different.
I've said it before, but you guys are more than welcome to use this place for your BIP stuff, and I'd be happy to create a separate BIP sub-forum.
in fact...
awwaggahrghghhhh.....FUCK!
please don't tell me that the SSOOKN essays are gone.....
:cry:
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on December 04, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
awwaggahrghghhhh.....FUCK!
please don't tell me that the SSOOKN essays are gone.....
:cry:
yep
the only option seems to be to come back bigger better stronger
or some such optimistic approach
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on December 04, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
awwaggahrghghhhh.....FUCK!
please don't tell me that the SSOOKN essays are gone.....
:cry:
shitty, man.
but you know the lesson, right?
ALWAYS have a hard copy.
TELL ME YOU LOVE ME, BITCH!
Quote from: Mangrove
acLiber 812
being
A Transcript of a live lecture by Mangrove to his devoted follower/dog.
"The Black Iron Prison furnishes us with a new metaphor for an old problem being that;
as advanced as humanity might seem at times, it has yet to transcend TEH STOOPID in
sufficient numbers or for any satisfactory duration. As such, it is the mission of the
SSOOKN to make it known that, this new metaphor has the divine sanction of the Holy
Kabbalah - just in case you thought it was the effluent by-product of cynical miscreants
glued to the internet. Let's begin...
Firstly, we can take the term BLACK IRON PRISON and apply Notariqon to condense: BIP.
Converting these letters into their Hebrew equivalents we get Beth, Yod, & Peh. BIP
gematrically enumerates to 812 hence the title of this lection and also contains a
heavily veiled reference to the administration of the eucharist to the community. And
remember kids, the next time you're in prison and someone called Jesus wants your bread -
it would be wise to share.
But right now, I want to focus our attention on B or Beth for Beth is Hebrew for House.
Now, if I had the time & inclination, I could offer an array of bewildering kabbalistic
connections to the hit TV show of the same name....ok......I can tell you won't rest until
I do....
The answer is simple. Beth is the 12th path on the Tree of Life and associated with the
Tarot card "THe Magician" which, in turn, is related to the god Mercury. Mercury carried the
double serpent entwined wand known as the Caduceus and the Caduceus is used frequently to
advertise doctors and other medical establishments.And if that's not enough for you
ceremonial magicians, the archangel Raphael also carries the Caduceus and his name in
English means 'God Who Has Healed'. Voila! Dr House.
An irrelevant digression? Perhaps not. Is not The Big House an endearing pet name for
prison? Ha! Bet you were wondering how I was going to dig myself out of that hole. To
further reinforce the point, allow me to quote from another prankster kabbalist,
Aleister Crowley who, in reference to Beth wrote:
"It is the dwelling place of man in the world of duality and illusion."
Illusion. There's the money shot right there, folks. Buying into the illusion is what the
BIP is all about. I don't use the word illusion lightly either, for the god Mercury - that
fleet-footed, tricky messenger boy of the Romans was also a god of commerce. We're so
easily lulled into falsehood by the slippery, shiny things, non? Shiny, slippery things like.
...oh...I don't know....Politics? Relgion? TV? Patriotism? Money is a symbol of the material
realm. YOU ARE NOT YOUR 'STUFF' MORON. The grimoire geeks will know that one of the spirits
of Mercury is Taphtatharath. A spirit that oversees, among other things - thieves. Thieves
in a prison? Who woulda thunk? People stealing stuff from us! People stealing us!? Argghh!!
Getting back to snakes for a minute...and I am not talking about the ones on planes either.
Snakes get a bad rap. We think of the reptilian brain as being like the poor uncultured,
philistine cousin that makes an asp out of itself at family gatherings. And don't get me
started on Eve and who whole 'mystical fruit embargo'!!
Other traditions with lesser amounts of panty fabric wedged into their gluteal clefts viewed
the serpent as a symbol of wisdom and of initiation. The Egyptian Pharoahs (which,
linguistically refers to a household FYI) had the ureas serpent displayed on their brows.
Whereabouts? About where the yogis of India said the Ajna Chakra resided, or what we
colloquially refer to as the 3rd eye. Now, the 3rd eye represents our intuition and our
ability to 'see' beyond the obvious, apparent and mundane. I should hope that he notion of
higher vision and BIP is ringing a few doorbells here. By 'higher vision' it is unecessary
to get into a debate over 'psychic powers' or anything of that sort - merely appreciate
that inmates of the BIP possess within them the potential to see beyond the obvious if the
so wish.
If you're wondering what any of this has to do with Discordian/Erisianism, then you're
duller than I realized...but here goes:
The Ajna Chakra of yoga is associated in terms of Western anatomy and physiology with the..
....I almost hate to say it...with the....
...PINEAL GLAND!! OMGROFLBBQ23WTF!!!
Got that out of your system yet? Ok. Good. Now let's review the pineal gland itself. Pineal
because ancient anatomists felt its shape was like that of a pine cone. one of its functions
is to produce melatonin, a hormone that is affected by light and is part of our cycle of
sleeping and awakening. Once again, before anyone starts reading the Madjgiqual Hosrie riot
act, I reiterate that, for our purposes, it is of no relevance or consequence whether a
person believes or disbelieves in the notion of chakras or psychism. The fact that the
pineal gland is, in the strictest scientific terms, responsible for us being AWAKE.
Therefore, the metaphor remains harmonious and consistent.
I need a drink....this is thyrsus* work....(*That's for the honour roll kids)
Now, allow me to direct your attention to the overhead projection whereby you will see
displayed, the Hebrew letter Beth. The shape of the letter denotes a roof, floor and
one wall (as seen from the side). It sort of implies that the 'house' lacks a front door.
I'll let that sit with your for a while.
In closing, I would like to draw your focus to this: B.L.A.C.K.
Biological Limitation Affects Complete Knowledge
and this:
BIP Learning Awakens teh Cool Kids.
Next week we discuss Iron.
Class dismissed!!! Scrid, bring me my sandwich!
_________________
Liber 812 part II
"Ok everyone...find a seat and shut up. We've got a lot more to cover. Last class we analyzed the B of BIP. Today we approach the letter I as well as the attributes of Iron.
In Hebrew, the closest we get to the English 'I' is Yod. Because English has 26 letters and Hebrew has 22, the letter Yod serves triple duty by representing the letters I/J/Y. (This is not as strange as it seems to those of you who have studied Latin.)
On the Tree Of Life, the letter Yod is ascribed to the 20th path. By consulting a qabalistic resource like Crowley's "777", we find that the 20th path throws up the term 'The Lord Of Yoga'. Now, the fact that yoga begins with a 'Y' is not only terribly convenient, it's significant in other ways too. Etymology fans will appreciate that the Sanskrit world 'yoga', the Latin 'jugorum' and the English 'yoke' all stem from the same Indo-European linguistic root. Big deal? Well, actually, yes it is. These three words all carry the connotation of 'joining together'. Let's extend that a little further. By joining two things together, suggests some restrictive medium that makes this possible. Take, for example, the human body. Muscles cause movements to occur at joints, but it is the tough, inelastic ligaments that connect bones together that make those joints in the first place. A ligament prevents your body from having excess movement. Therefore, it is the ligaments restriction that contributes to making normal mobility possible. (Joint = teh prison pun)
What the hell does that have to do with anything? The world ligament has the same Latin root as ligature. The implication here is one of 'binding'. The word 'religion' in its original sense means to 're-bind'. Does this not make one think of re-joining and of yoga?
Discordians are only too happy to tell you that there's 'no one, true, religion' but the true religion is simply to reconnect with who/what you really are ie: not MTV, WalMart, Political Parties, The Internet, Hot Topic, Hot Pockets, Hot Pants or the Hot 100. It would be more fair to say that 'there is no one true method of religion' or that 'the one true religion has no single manifestation'. If you want to eat bread discs or not eat pork, or shave your head or not cut your hair or pray 5 times daily or wear a funny hat - it really doesn't amount to a hill o'beans because these are merely DETAILS and not the actual religious process itself. (The opposite of religion being 'negligence')
What has this to do with BIP? Every Fucking Thing. The whole metaphor is about restriction. The paradox is that some restrictions (eg: prison) prevent freedoms while others (eg: ligaments) are restrictions that enable freedoms. There's an Orwellian koan for you. Freedom is restriction!
While it's certainly true that our biological and evolutionary heritage limited the bandwidth of our senses, would not the opposite create as many, if not, more problems? If you could see everything that physicists call electromagnetism, would you be able to look at anything at all? Our nervous system dampens down sensory input constantly and often with good reason. For instance, once you put your shirt on in the morning, the brain (thanks to what neuro-geeks call the reticular formation) acknowledges and then ignores the presence of the shirt in a matter of moments. Imagine what it'd be like if your cerebrum was bombarded 24/7 with a singal that said "Hey! I'm wearing a shirt!". It would be like a HIMEOBS strike on a Hentai forum, but infinitely more intense and with negative LAIL.
So, is Discordianism a religion disguised as a joke or a joke disguised as a religion? The SSOOKN answer is: "If you're spending this much time bouncing around the rubber room of entry-level dualism, you're probably not actually doing anything even remotely useful."
Returning to the qabalah once more, let's look at some really obvious stuff. Yod is the 9th key of the tarot known as The Hermit. Think lonlieness, think soliary confinement, think of the Buddha's instruction that we have to be our own lamp bearers. Simply put, not only is the BIP hard work, it's hard lonely work. The qabalah won't make you more spiritual, smart or sexy. You have to do that yourself. Incidentally, the Hermit card is associated with the sign of Virgo. Virgins in prison....well..I'd better leave that alone.
More obvious than tarot is that the Hebrew letter 'yod' means hand and is also the number 10. 10 fingers. Easy isn't it? The sophistication of our hands enables us to express our wills in a sophisticated manner. We can do all sorts of cool things like excise brain tumours, paint masterpieces and play the piano like Art Tatum. Try doing that with flippers! Our hands are so vital in just about everything we do. As such, the hands are a fantastic symbol of DOING. No surprise then the Hebrews considered yod 'the intelligence of will'.
Where am I going withe all this hand stuff? Simple. The hand indicates our means of action. Actions have results and results can have consequences. Certain actions (rape, murder, insider trading etc) are restricted by the agreements of society that we call Teh Law. If one commits one of these restricted actions (even unsuccessfully), then they run the risk of ending up in the slammer, another form of restriction.
The moral of the story? That restriction exists all around us, in us and through us. Restriction is fundamental to manifestation (and not necessarily always a bad thing). It just depends on your perspective. Is your crash helmet a protective container or a prison?
In closing, I would like to leave you with the following Notariqon.
Remember: Inspiration Requires Original Notions.
Get offline once in a while: Internets Render One Numb.
Read Darwin: Intelligent designers Repress Our Neurons!
The qabalah?: It's Really Only Numbers.
Keep an open mind: Illumination Reorientates Open Neurology.
Hate preppy clothes?: I Return Old Navy.
Read W S Burroughs instead of J K Rowling: Insipid Reading? Opiates Now!
Extra credit students: Contemplate 'conjugal visits'.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 04, 2006, 11:24:27 PM
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on December 04, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
awwaggahrghghhhh.....FUCK!
please don't tell me that the SSOOKN essays are gone.....
:cry:
shitty, man.
but you know the lesson, right?
ALWAYS have a hard copy.
Oh and another tip, don't think that backing up your stuff on another message board run on the same site is going to help.
Yup. My stuff was backed up on the Maine Platypus Cabal message board, also on attheforum.com Me = teh screwed!!!
:lol:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 05, 2006, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 04, 2006, 11:24:27 PM
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on December 04, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
awwaggahrghghhhh.....FUCK!
please don't tell me that the SSOOKN essays are gone.....
:cry:
shitty, man.
but you know the lesson, right?
ALWAYS have a hard copy.
Oh and another tip, don't think that backing up your stuff on another message board run on the same site is going to help. 
Yup.  My stuff was backed up on the Maine Platypus Cabal message board, also on attheforum.com   Me = teh screwed!!!
:lol:
Online backups aint worth the paper they're printed on. Burn it to CD/DVD or run a disk mirror setup. Or be prepared to lose the lot.
This = correct. I learnt that after my computer collapsed from all the Spyware on it about a year and a half ago.
TBH I kinda like losing all my old stuff every so often anyway. Keeps the corpus fresh.
comin thru in the clutch
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2006, 01:32:19 PM
TELL ME YOU LOVE ME, BITCH!
Quote from: Mangrove
acLiber 812
being
A Transcript of a live lecture by Mangrove to his devoted follower/dog.
"The Black Iron Prison furnishes us with a new metaphor for an old problem being that;
as advanced as humanity might seem at times, it has yet to transcend TEH STOOPID in
sufficient numbers or for any satisfactory duration. As such, it is the mission of the
SSOOKN to make it known that, this new metaphor has the divine sanction of the Holy
Kabbalah - just in case you thought it was the effluent by-product of cynical miscreants
glued to the internet. Let's begin...
Firstly, we can take the term BLACK IRON PRISON and apply Notariqon to condense: BIP.
Converting these letters into their Hebrew equivalents we get Beth, Yod, & Peh. BIP
gematrically enumerates to 812 hence the title of this lection and also contains a
heavily veiled reference to the administration of the eucharist to the community. And
remember kids, the next time you're in prison and someone called Jesus wants your bread -
it would be wise to share.
But right now, I want to focus our attention on B or Beth for Beth is Hebrew for House.
Now, if I had the time & inclination, I could offer an array of bewildering kabbalistic
connections to the hit TV show of the same name....ok......I can tell you won't rest until
I do....
The answer is simple. Beth is the 12th path on the Tree of Life and associated with the
Tarot card "THe Magician" which, in turn, is related to the god Mercury. Mercury carried the
double serpent entwined wand known as the Caduceus and the Caduceus is used frequently to
advertise doctors and other medical establishments.And if that's not enough for you
ceremonial magicians, the archangel Raphael also carries the Caduceus and his name in
English means 'God Who Has Healed'. Voila! Dr House.
An irrelevant digression? Perhaps not. Is not The Big House an endearing pet name for
prison? Ha! Bet you were wondering how I was going to dig myself out of that hole. To
further reinforce the point, allow me to quote from another prankster kabbalist,
Aleister Crowley who, in reference to Beth wrote:
"It is the dwelling place of man in the world of duality and illusion."
Illusion. There's the money shot right there, folks. Buying into the illusion is what the
BIP is all about. I don't use the word illusion lightly either, for the god Mercury - that
fleet-footed, tricky messenger boy of the Romans was also a god of commerce. We're so
easily lulled into falsehood by the slippery, shiny things, non? Shiny, slippery things like.
...oh...I don't know....Politics? Relgion? TV? Patriotism? Money is a symbol of the material
realm. YOU ARE NOT YOUR 'STUFF' MORON. The grimoire geeks will know that one of the spirits
of Mercury is Taphtatharath. A spirit that oversees, among other things - thieves. Thieves
in a prison? Who woulda thunk? People stealing stuff from us! People stealing us!? Argghh!!
Getting back to snakes for a minute...and I am not talking about the ones on planes either.
Snakes get a bad rap. We think of the reptilian brain as being like the poor uncultured,
philistine cousin that makes an asp out of itself at family gatherings. And don't get me
started on Eve and who whole 'mystical fruit embargo'!!
Other traditions with lesser amounts of panty fabric wedged into their gluteal clefts viewed
the serpent as a symbol of wisdom and of initiation. The Egyptian Pharoahs (which,
linguistically refers to a household FYI) had the ureas serpent displayed on their brows.
Whereabouts? About where the yogis of India said the Ajna Chakra resided, or what we
colloquially refer to as the 3rd eye. Now, the 3rd eye represents our intuition and our
ability to 'see' beyond the obvious, apparent and mundane. I should hope that he notion of
higher vision and BIP is ringing a few doorbells here. By 'higher vision' it is unecessary
to get into a debate over 'psychic powers' or anything of that sort - merely appreciate
that inmates of the BIP possess within them the potential to see beyond the obvious if the
so wish.
If you're wondering what any of this has to do with Discordian/Erisianism, then you're
duller than I realized...but here goes:
The Ajna Chakra of yoga is associated in terms of Western anatomy and physiology with the..
....I almost hate to say it...with the....
...PINEAL GLAND!! OMGROFLBBQ23WTF!!!
Got that out of your system yet? Ok. Good. Now let's review the pineal gland itself. Pineal
because ancient anatomists felt its shape was like that of a pine cone. one of its functions
is to produce melatonin, a hormone that is affected by light and is part of our cycle of
sleeping and awakening. Once again, before anyone starts reading the Madjgiqual Hosrie riot
act, I reiterate that, for our purposes, it is of no relevance or consequence whether a
person believes or disbelieves in the notion of chakras or psychism. The fact that the
pineal gland is, in the strictest scientific terms, responsible for us being AWAKE.
Therefore, the metaphor remains harmonious and consistent.
I need a drink....this is thyrsus* work....(*That's for the honour roll kids)
Now, allow me to direct your attention to the overhead projection whereby you will see
displayed, the Hebrew letter Beth. The shape of the letter denotes a roof, floor and
one wall (as seen from the side). It sort of implies that the 'house' lacks a front door.
I'll let that sit with your for a while.
In closing, I would like to draw your focus to this: B.L.A.C.K.
Biological Limitation Affects Complete Knowledge
and this:
BIP Learning Awakens teh Cool Kids.
Next week we discuss Iron.
Class dismissed!!! Scrid, bring me my sandwich!
_________________
Liber 812 part II
"Ok everyone...find a seat and shut up. We've got a lot more to cover. Last class we analyzed the B of BIP. Today we approach the letter I as well as the attributes of Iron.
In Hebrew, the closest we get to the English 'I' is Yod. Because English has 26 letters and Hebrew has 22, the letter Yod serves triple duty by representing the letters I/J/Y. (This is not as strange as it seems to those of you who have studied Latin.)
On the Tree Of Life, the letter Yod is ascribed to the 20th path. By consulting a qabalistic resource like Crowley's "777", we find that the 20th path throws up the term 'The Lord Of Yoga'. Now, the fact that yoga begins with a 'Y' is not only terribly convenient, it's significant in other ways too. Etymology fans will appreciate that the Sanskrit world 'yoga', the Latin 'jugorum' and the English 'yoke' all stem from the same Indo-European linguistic root. Big deal? Well, actually, yes it is. These three words all carry the connotation of 'joining together'. Let's extend that a little further. By joining two things together, suggests some restrictive medium that makes this possible. Take, for example, the human body. Muscles cause movements to occur at joints, but it is the tough, inelastic ligaments that connect bones together that make those joints in the first place. A ligament prevents your body from having excess movement. Therefore, it is the ligaments restriction that contributes to making normal mobility possible. (Joint = teh prison pun)
What the hell does that have to do with anything? The world ligament has the same Latin root as ligature. The implication here is one of 'binding'. The word 'religion' in its original sense means to 're-bind'. Does this not make one think of re-joining and of yoga?
Discordians are only too happy to tell you that there's 'no one, true, religion' but the true religion is simply to reconnect with who/what you really are ie: not MTV, WalMart, Political Parties, The Internet, Hot Topic, Hot Pockets, Hot Pants or the Hot 100. It would be more fair to say that 'there is no one true method of religion' or that 'the one true religion has no single manifestation'. If you want to eat bread discs or not eat pork, or shave your head or not cut your hair or pray 5 times daily or wear a funny hat - it really doesn't amount to a hill o'beans because these are merely DETAILS and not the actual religious process itself. (The opposite of religion being 'negligence')
What has this to do with BIP? Every Fucking Thing. The whole metaphor is about restriction. The paradox is that some restrictions (eg: prison) prevent freedoms while others (eg: ligaments) are restrictions that enable freedoms. There's an Orwellian koan for you. Freedom is restriction!
While it's certainly true that our biological and evolutionary heritage limited the bandwidth of our senses, would not the opposite create as many, if not, more problems? If you could see everything that physicists call electromagnetism, would you be able to look at anything at all? Our nervous system dampens down sensory input constantly and often with good reason. For instance, once you put your shirt on in the morning, the brain (thanks to what neuro-geeks call the reticular formation) acknowledges and then ignores the presence of the shirt in a matter of moments. Imagine what it'd be like if your cerebrum was bombarded 24/7 with a singal that said "Hey! I'm wearing a shirt!". It would be like a HIMEOBS strike on a Hentai forum, but infinitely more intense and with negative LAIL.
So, is Discordianism a religion disguised as a joke or a joke disguised as a religion? The SSOOKN answer is: "If you're spending this much time bouncing around the rubber room of entry-level dualism, you're probably not actually doing anything even remotely useful."
Returning to the qabalah once more, let's look at some really obvious stuff. Yod is the 9th key of the tarot known as The Hermit. Think lonlieness, think soliary confinement, think of the Buddha's instruction that we have to be our own lamp bearers. Simply put, not only is the BIP hard work, it's hard lonely work. The qabalah won't make you more spiritual, smart or sexy. You have to do that yourself. Incidentally, the Hermit card is associated with the sign of Virgo. Virgins in prison....well..I'd better leave that alone.
More obvious than tarot is that the Hebrew letter 'yod' means hand and is also the number 10. 10 fingers. Easy isn't it? The sophistication of our hands enables us to express our wills in a sophisticated manner. We can do all sorts of cool things like excise brain tumours, paint masterpieces and play the piano like Art Tatum. Try doing that with flippers! Our hands are so vital in just about everything we do. As such, the hands are a fantastic symbol of DOING. No surprise then the Hebrews considered yod 'the intelligence of will'.
Where am I going withe all this hand stuff? Simple. The hand indicates our means of action. Actions have results and results can have consequences. Certain actions (rape, murder, insider trading etc) are restricted by the agreements of society that we call Teh Law. If one commits one of these restricted actions (even unsuccessfully), then they run the risk of ending up in the slammer, another form of restriction.
The moral of the story? That restriction exists all around us, in us and through us. Restriction is fundamental to manifestation (and not necessarily always a bad thing). It just depends on your perspective. Is your crash helmet a protective container or a prison?
In closing, I would like to leave you with the following Notariqon.
Remember: Inspiration Requires Original Notions.
Get offline once in a while: Internets Render One Numb.
Read Darwin: Intelligent designers Repress Our Neurons!
The qabalah?: It's Really Only Numbers.
Keep an open mind: Illumination Reorientates Open Neurology.
Hate preppy clothes?: I Return Old Navy.
Read W S Burroughs instead of J K Rowling: Insipid Reading? Opiates Now!
Extra credit students: Contemplate 'conjugal visits'.
thats the shit right there
hard copy = paper in a sealed waterproof UV-proof container with positive buoyancy.
unless you have the means to actually carve things in stone.
sillycybin:
> Online backups aint worth the paper they're printed on.
nah, storing stuff in large webmail accounts like yahoo, gmail or even hotmail is pretty safe. they got huge servers, backups, RAIDs etc. i trust a big company's serverpark way more than my own attempts at backing up stuff. also easier to keep up to date or move around. sure i keep some stuff on DVD or CD as well, and i hate throwing data away.
kinda surprises me that a site like attheforum.com got screwed over lack of backups like this. especially considering their main asset IS all the data and text on the fora, and since it's just an SQL dump of a phpBB forum, it's all plain text, ZIP it up and i would guess all fora on there would have fit on one CD. pay a scriptkiddie once to build something that gathers all the phpBB DBs, ZIP it, send then over to a safe place, and a 100 bucks later you are secured (or even for less if you find an actual kid that doesn't know what code like that is worth per hour).
aaaaaaaaanyways, starting over again kind of causes us to rethink and regroup which is not too -- yes what you said here:
> TBH I kinda like losing all my old stuff every so often anyway. Keeps the corpus fresh.
:)
not sure if it's the same for writing stuff, but for software it definitely helps to be forced to start over a few times. 's called 'refactoring' :)
Quote from: triple zero on December 06, 2006, 10:45:59 AM
not sure if it's the same for writing stuff, but for software it definitely helps to be forced to start over a few times. 's called 'refactoring' :)
Almost all the stuff I write is shit anyways. TBH I'm usly glad for the extra disk space.
ahh you mean it's good to loose your downloaded shit
yea that's materialism :)
thanks guys.
i think that i have original hand-written drafts here. i never got round to printing the stuff off because we don't have a working printer here at home. i could've got mrs mang to do it at work but never gave it a thought.
i did have it stored on this machine (belonging to one of the step mangs) but it's had loads of trouble and of course, all my shit was purged when the hardrive got reformatted.
with a bit of work, i can probably reconstruct the SSOOKN BIP archives. i'll get hardcopies and put them all in a metal box or something.
and yes, i realize that putting essays on forums & not having harcopies or backups is like...uhh...really st00pid. i will not make the same mistake again.
oh..and i hope i wasn't sounding too selfish there - i'm sure i wasn't the only one who lost stuff to the great beyond. i think we should have a wake for BIP at the OB on PD. or something like that.
mangrove
PS i luv LMNO. it's why he's got a 10th degree in SSOOKN...oh yeah...and because he's talented and stuff. but mostly because i luv him.
I've found Towser's Guide to Gematria (A SSOOKN product). It was still intact over at EB&G.
Liber BIP can be reconstructed (i think)
Liber BSE 1 & 2 are easily retyped and part 3 isn't done yet.
Soo...all in all, not too bad.
my deconstruction of astrology is gone
but i think i still have the scans somewhere
oh and fuck
that 'occult tool' i developed is gone
fuck
isnt my face red
oh well - i always said that anything worth having can be repeated
i guess all it takes is time
i'd love to see the occult stuff back.
lhx, what "occult tool" ?
I was this really cool "grand unification of esoteric bullshit" graph.
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Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:05:08 PM
I was this really cool "grand unification of esoteric bullshit" graph.
thats the one
it was basically a technique for aligning different occult systems and seeing how they all linked up and overlapped
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:05:08 PM
I was this really cool "grand unification of esoteric bullshit" graph.
thats the one
it was basically a technique for aligning different occult systems and seeing how they all linked up and overlapped
Redo it pls
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xvii on December 07, 2006, 09:16:37 PM
oh..and i hope i wasn't sounding too selfish there - i'm sure i wasn't the only one who lost stuff to the great beyond. i think we should have a wake for BIP at the OB on PD. or something like that.
All those interested please to be dropping into the OB before heading out for the day to pay your respects, or disrespects.
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:05:08 PM
I was this really cool "grand unification of esoteric bullshit" graph.
thats the one
it was basically a technique for aligning different occult systems and seeing how they all linked up and overlapped
the one with the circle and the fibonacci sequence in it?
this is as much as i remember:
1 - cosmos unity etc
2 - yin yang duality
3 - holy trinity
5 - five elements
8 - eight elements of i-ching/chinese stuff
13 - something jewish? we were looking for this one, maybe sillycybin knows something to put here?
21 - major arcana?
then you put those in concentric circles, the middle one not divided, second one divided in two, third in three, fourth in five sections etc.
then you could kind of align the different subdivisions
also, the fibonacci sequence actually starts out like 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21 etc
so you could have the center of the circle as '0' and have unity twice? maybe?
The Zero could be the Ain Sof Aur of the Kaballah.
Quote from: triple zero on December 14, 2006, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2006, 03:05:08 PM
I was this really cool "grand unification of esoteric bullshit" graph.
thats the one
it was basically a technique for aligning different occult systems and seeing how they all linked up and overlapped
the one with the circle and the fibonacci sequence in it?
this is as much as i remember:
1 - cosmos unity etc
2 - yin yang duality
3 - holy trinity
5 - five elements
8 - eight elements of i-ching/chinese stuff
13 - something jewish? we were looking for this one, maybe sillycybin knows something to put here?
21 - major arcana?
then you put those in concentric circles, the middle one not divided, second one divided in two, third in three, fourth in five sections etc.
then you could kind of align the different subdivisions
also, the fibonacci sequence actually starts out like 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21 etc
so you could have the center of the circle as '0' and have unity twice? maybe?
that was the one
and summarized only as anybody other than me could do it
im gonna be using that in the future
Quote from: LMNO on December 14, 2006, 05:07:11 PMThe Zero could be the Ain Sof Aur of the Kaballah.
and if Ain Soph Aur is the triple veil of negative existence, that would make Triple Zero  :-D
no but seriously, good idea, i was in fact thinking the same thing while summarizing the bit above
Quote from: triple zero on December 14, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 14, 2006, 05:07:11 PMThe Zero could be the Ain Sof Aur of the Kaballah.
and if Ain Soph Aur is the triple veil of negative existence, that would make Triple Zero  :-D
no but seriously, good idea, i was in fact thinking the same thing while summarizing the bit above
:-) SSOOKN approves of this
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, ..
ok, having put zero in its place, there's still two open slots to fill in:
- what's up with the double one? two types of unity? i'm pretty sure some qabalistic reasoning cut be put forth, but the nice thing about the thingy we have now is that it combines all kinds of different systems (symbolic ways to divide and categorize reality, in fact), and we already have qabalah at zero.
i was thinking perhaps the Self as One and the Cosmos/Universe/Everything as the other One. one for the microcosm and one for the macrocosm. if this is a good idea, which one should go first?
- what will we put at the thirteen-division? any clues yet?
also yesterday i tried to calculate the sequence backwards, to see if it would go anywhere before the zero. basically you just take the difference of the two next in sequence to calculate the former. if you carry on after (before) zero, the sequence just mirrors like:
.., 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, .. etc
which nicely ties in with the idea of putting them in concentric circles, in a geometric way. so that's good.
lhx did you find that scan already? :-)
So, we're looking to fill in the two "1"-s.
SO: after Ain Sof Aur, you get Universe-- that is, the full, infinite Unioverse that no human will ever experience, due to the fact that a human is incapable of experienceing that universe. Ha! I just added the BIP to the chart.
The second "1" is the Universe we can experience; the one most people think of when they are concious.
How about that?
sounds good, would the second one also be the microcosm, the self, in a kind-of-but-not-quite solipsistic way?
Quote from: triple zero on December 15, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, ..
ok, having put zero in its place, there's still two open slots to fill in:
- what's up with the double one? two types of unity? i'm pretty sure some qabalistic reasoning cut be put forth, but the nice thing about the thingy we have now is that it combines all kinds of different systems (symbolic ways to divide and categorize reality, in fact), and we already have qabalah at zero.
i was thinking perhaps the Self as One and the Cosmos/Universe/Everything as the other One. one for the microcosm and one for the macrocosm. if this is a good idea, which one should go first?
- what will we put at the thirteen-division? any clues yet?
also yesterday i tried to calculate the sequence backwards, to see if it would go anywhere before the zero. basically you just take the difference of the two next in sequence to calculate the former. if you carry on after (before) zero, the sequence just mirrors like:
.., 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, .. etc
which nicely ties in with the idea of putting them in concentric circles, in a geometric way. so that's good.
lhx did you find that scan already? :-)
Haven't actually been studying the quaballa for a good few years now so it's rusty as hell, except for the general stuff, but 13 is the path 'nun' from tiphareth to netzach, respresented in the tarot major arcana as death. I never really got the 'nun' part (my hebrew sucks) but I believe it's someone kneeling in prayer which would be the type of prayer meant to lead to samadhi, as opposed to the "Please god can I have a new bike" - kind. Samadhi itself is a form often described as a death of sorts, the sort that 13 implies.
Death leads to rebirth in a cyclic paradigm and, if we examine musickal theory we find that the 13th semitone is the start of the regeneration of the octave. It's one and three as well which would form a pyramid. All in all, prolly cos of the death thing it's become one of those superstitious numbers (prolly the worst offender) you have to die to be reborn. A paradigm must be destroyed for a new one to exist in it's place. So it's a scary thing for some.
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2006, 01:21:45 PM
So, we're looking to fill in the two "1"-s.
SO: after Ain Sof Aur, you get Universe-- that is, the full, infinite Unioverse that no human will ever experience, due to the fact that a human is incapable of experienceing that universe. Ha! I just added the BIP to the chart.
The second "1" is the Universe we can experience; the one most people think of when they are concious.
How about that?
From point-line-triangle geometric progression 1 is a line. For one to be observed the observer must observe the line. When the observer is removed from the line another line is formed between the first line this is how 2 comes about.
i thought we were talking about a division of things into 13 parts/categories, not the significance of the numbers themselves.
where ain soph aur would be the division by zero, yep that makes perfect sense ;-)
Quote from: triple zero on December 15, 2006, 01:39:40 PM
i thought we were talking about a division of things into 13 parts/categories, not the significance of the numbers themselves.
where ain soph aur would be the division by zero, yep that makes perfect sense ;-)
Sorry - happens everytime I get into kabala. Kinda why I gave it up. So 13 is the eschaton then?
i mentioned back at TDN that the only thing i could find for 13 was that it was actually 13 tribes of Israel instead of 12
plus it has been argued that instead of being a clean 12 months in a year of 30 days each, there is actually 12+1 months or 12 months and 1 transition (5/6 days)
nothing else comes to mind right now
1 and 1 could be Tai Chi and Wu Chi as well
ill get that chart up soon
^^^also for clarity - in this situation, the significance of the Tribes of Israel is that each one represented a certain something - an attribute
not talking about actual groups of people
it has to be something you can use to classify/categorize reality or concepts with, like:
2 - yin/yang or male/female
5 - water/fire/earth/air/spirit (personally i don't like the 5 elements, i'd rather just use 4, but the 5 fits in the sequence here)
8 - eight elements of i-ching (heaven earth thunder water mountain wind/wood fire lake)
21 - major arcana (minus the Fool, i suppose)
(the 0 and 1, 1 cases are kind of exceptions to this cause they don't categorize anything)
see let's say you have a pizza. you could categorize this as male, earth, thunder and umm the Sun (cause it's round and hot - i dunno) .. or maybe i'm taking LHXs idea too far off, i'm not really sure where he was heading with it.
also, the next number in the series is 34 and then 55 .. place your bets ;-)
though maybe getting only 4 obvious "hits" is not enough to carry this system all the way..
well, considering humans have only been at it for a few thousand years, 4 seems pretty dam good
it really made me have respect for tarot - that shit is thoro
i mean, if you are talking about breaking up a circular process into smaller and smaller segments AND assigning labels to differentiate each segment -- thats tough
BUT
now that i think about it
putting together a ring of 34 could very well be the type of thing that the SSOOKN could cash in off of...
also, in case anybody wants to play with integer sequences:
The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/index.html)
enter a bunch of numbers and it will find what sequence it is. try fibonacci, try the first few primes, try squares, try something random. try fibonacci times three, it will probably find them all
Quote from: LHX on December 15, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
i mentioned back at TDN that the only thing i could find for 13 was that it was actually 13 tribes of Israel instead of 12
plus it has been argued that instead of being a clean 12 months in a year of 30 days each, there is actually 12+1 months or 12 months and 1 transition (5/6 days)
nothing else comes to mind right now
1 and 1 could be Tai Chi and Wu Chi as well
ill get that chart up soon
Put Xtianity in there - 13 apostles. Judas counts.
i like that, too
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2006, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 15, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
i mentioned back at TDN that the only thing i could find for 13 was that it was actually 13 tribes of Israel instead of 12
plus it has been argued that instead of being a clean 12 months in a year of 30 days each, there is actually 12+1 months or 12 months and 1 transition (5/6 days)
nothing else comes to mind right now
1 and 1 could be Tai Chi and Wu Chi as well
ill get that chart up soon
Put Xtianity in there - 13 apostles. Judas counts.
boom
and then - after identifying a 13 figure, all you have to do is see where each element would fit into the chart
since 13 sandwiches between 21 and 8, it prolly wouldnt be hard to line something up if one was familiar with the distinguishing attributes of the 13 elements
from these same principles, a I Ching system could be developed at any level (the tarot system is already similar to the I Ching, but not as concise or with a universally agreed-upon technique)
instead of the 64 hexagrams of the i ching tho - at the tarot level there would be 21 x 21 = 442 elements
*it should be noted tho that the I Ching can be regarded as the 'cleanest' of these numbers because it breaks down into components that are also numbers in this pattern - the 8 elements are formed by 3 levels consisting of one of the 2 principles of yin/yang
Please to be re-creating said chart, LHX. I believe a mystic Xtian site can get you apostle attributes.
If I wasn't so hungover, I'd look them up myself.
I vote for 1 and 1 being the Complete Universe and the Experienced Universe. That flows into 2 as being a self/others duality (and I'm sure we can figure out how to tie those back to yin and yang).
Though really, it almost begs the idea of THREE Universes: The Complete Universe, the Universe as experienced by Self, and the Universe as experienced by Others - which is going to be different because we all create our own Reality Grids and each one is ultimately unique (if only minutely).
Oh, and to whomever asked: I'm not sure microcosm is the best word to describe the Experienced Universe. I mean, I can see the logical tie between "Everything ever" and "Everything we can possibly perceive", but I really feel like it's more of a subset. Microcosm to me implies a complete replication, and I think calling our Experienced Universes microcosms could fuel a dangerous attitude that we *can* learn everything.
i can see 'Universe' breaking down into the 2 other universes you describe - i can also see the "Universe as experienced by Self, and the Universe as experienced by Others" breaking down into yin/yang principles
DJ, the 3 universe thing begs solipsism-- that the universe I experience is somehow of a different subset than the Universes every one els is seeing.
Remembering to stay humble is tough work.  No need to entrench it into esoterica, as well.
still the same low-quality scan i been using since 2003
(http://i10.tinypic.com/2qcgu3b.jpg)
http://i10.tinypic.com/2qcgu3b.jpg
Netaungrot cleaned this up and made it easier to read on TDN before it crashed
the shaded area is just an example of how one element of the tarot would correspond with the systems in the inner-circles
so there you have it - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 13 - 21
in this case - the 15th element of tarot (The Devil) correspnds to a split between whatever the 9th and 10th elements of the ring of 13 would be
it would also correspond with the 6th trigram (Mountain) which i also related to Supreme Mathematics where it would correspond with 6 = Equality
this would correspond with Water from 5 Element theory
and so on
basically - if you understand any 1 system, you can transfer your understanding of 1 to an understanding of the other
since each system accomplishes the same thing
and they all describe the same process
This is SSOOKN approved, because it lends incredible persuasiveness to utter bullshit.
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2006, 03:24:32 PM
This is SSOOKN approved, because it lends incredible persuasiveness to utter bullshit.
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah
you know how we roll
For those keeping score at home - here is a reference card to the known systems in relation to their numbers:
Tarot
1. The Magician
2. The High Priestess
3. The Empress
4. The Emperor
5. The Hierophant
6. The Lovers
7. The Chariot
8. Strength
9. The Hermit
10. Wheel of Fortune
11. Justice
12. The Hanged Man
13. Death
14. Temperance
15. The Devil
16. The Tower
17. The Star
18. The Moon
19. The Sun
20. Judgement
21. The World.
Trigrams of the I Ching
1. Fire
2. Earth
3. Lake
4. Air/Heaven
5. Water
6. Mountain
7. Thunder
8. Wind/Wood
Supreme Mathematics
1. Knowledge
2. Wisdom
3. Understanding
4. Culture/Freedom
5. Power/Refinement
6. Equality
7. Build/Destroy
8. Born
5 Elements
1. Fire
2. Earth
3. Metal
4. Water
5. Wind
If anybody knows of any other systems that may fit in - please experiment
take it apart and put it back together, etc
Ok, I'm gonna have to researc the apostles.
Just not today.
LMNO
-taking one for the team.
Moved to the BIP forum by request of the OP
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2006, 03:38:34 PM
Ok, I'm gonna have to researc the apostles.
Here's this if you can make any sense of it:
http://jesus8880.com/chapters/mk03-preview/mk03v13-19-making-12/index.htm
EDIT: Fuck it, never mind, they've deleted half the diagrams in an attempt to sell their book. If someone can find the book online, tho...
Cool. Thanks.
There's loads of cool stuff going on here that I'll have to read once I'm done with my exam (Thurs morning).
However, I'm going to throw in the inevitable Crowley and offer that the 1 & 1 be
-1 and +1
Add the -1 and the +1 to = 0.
0 would be Ain
+1 is when the various Ains contract to inspect itself. Like when a yogi contemplates himself.
Having had the realization of what one is (+1) you are instantaneously aware of what one is not (-1).
Thus 0 produces the Unity and the Duality which can be resolved back into itself as nothingness. Attaining Unity is the second to last goal of the qabbalist.
On the tree of life the 0 state is the Ains. Kether is when the Ains contemplate themselves, Chokmah the realization of what is is, Binah teh realization of what is not. So in that model you get 0, 1, 2 & 3 - or your basic supernal triad. However, you could rephrase that as 0 = +1 Plus -1.
Ok, now I'm going to grab some leftovers for lunch.
I'm bumping this for an anti-climatic update:
Ever since the place crashed and burned I've been trying to get someone, anyone over at attheforum to tell me if there was anyway to retrieve anything from the server. Well, I FINALLY got an answer:
QuoteRegarding the crash back on 2006, The service provider would never ship us the harddrive to get professional recovery services performed on the drive. Our new server has better RAID hardware that will better protect the site from failures.
I also asked them why they never responded to my other 50 odd e-mails. They just played dumb with that one. Idiots. So there you have it.
great
that makes everything all better
"our incompetence is somebody elses fault"
FAIL and LAIL
I actually set up a new forum just for laughs, called "I Hate Attheforum." And they are correct, so far no crashes, however you can't swing a bat without hitting at least a dozen spammers. LAIL and FAIL indeed.
Historical Bump.
Quote from: LHX on December 03, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
August 2006: In the wake of the PD.com forum crash, and riding the strength of the PD06 exploration, The Discordian Network forum developed.
Originally a forum that RWHN had registered and was toying with, it developed into the center for the discussion aimed at fleshing out the philosophies presented in and related to PD, as well as compiling new Discordian material to be broadcast or distributed.
It was kept free of nonsense for the most part, and though it had been predominantly quiet in the weeks before it died, it had developed into a useful resource.
The highlights from the TDN forum:
- The general continuation of PD06 matters that were started in this forum
- this includes BIP affairs
- A renewal of SSOOKN investigation and development and a inventory of related writings
- Further probes into linguistics and the nature of communication
- Recent discussions regarding the nature of technology and robotics
Maybe this latest forum crash can serve as opportunity to take a look at where we are at now after that surge from April/May to August.
Opportunity to gather some stuff together and see where the 'We' stands at this point, as a vague collective in the process of doing a vague something.
Comedy
Philosophy
Spirituality
Technology
Bar Stools
Symbolism
PD07 and so on
a reminder that:
Inspiration (still) Requires Original Notions
add on
Historical Quote Bump
"It was kept free of nonsense for the most part"
:lulz:
I wonder why it puked and died?
Can't go having any nonsense on a Discordian network. It might lead to strife.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 08, 2013, 03:59:53 AM
"It was kept free of nonsense for the most part"
:lulz:
I wonder why it puked and died?
Server crash. And then this sub-forum was born.