WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING???
Have you ever had abortion protestors in your neighborhood? I,Äôm not talking about the nice old lady who goes to the church down the street who tries to give good intentioned advice. I,Äôm talking about the clan that travels city to city, town to town. They line the major highways and streets, shouting their slogans. And, of course, there are the visuals.
The grotesque pictures of aborted fetuses.
They hope to shame and shock those who have gone through the procedure. To show them the bloody error of their ways. To show how they desecrated life. All the while not showing the least bit of reservation about displaying it for those who do not need to see it.
There are those who have gone through trauma. They are in a situation where bringing a life into the world just isn,Äôt a good idea. They know they would be inadequate parents. They know they could not feed the child. Or, other reasons. Then, you have another set of people. The ones, who, involuntary, lost a developing life very early in the process. The ones, who went through the gut-wrenching, soul-crushing episode that is miscarriage.
But, the cold and unfeeling medical industry will label it as, ,Äúan abortion,Äù because it happened before 12 weeks. Yeah, it,Äôs just a billing term, the Doc says. But, in society, it is a stigma. Meanwhile, the cold, unfeeling protestors display their images. Unknowing and/or uncaring that they are re-traumatizing women who, not of their choice, had a pregnancy end very pre-maturely. They did not have a choice. They wished for this life force to come to fruition, while nature had other plans. Yet, they are subjected to the cruel, ignorant indifference of religious zealots.
But, religious zealotry is like the War on Terror. Collateral Damage be Damned. All I know is that if they decide to come to my town, they best not darken my doorstep. Because I will not think twice,Ķ
I LOVE Pro-Lifers! I tell them flat out that I had a miscarriage at 4 months and that if I try to carry to term it will risk my life! Oh!!!! And that I had a friend who was raped and got pregnant, who gave birth, and ended up COMMITTING SUICIDE because the fact that this CHILD was the seed of her fucking rapist!
Don't forget the day I was ambushed at Planned Parenthood for going it to get treated for a UTI. Bwahaha, I threw bricks at them from a nearby pile until the security guard pulled me inside 'for my own safety.'
They're one of my all time favorite targets, along with PETA.
I think the term docs use most often is "DnC"...they in fact rarely refer to it as an abortion. Just like heart attack is myocardial infarction. Or "infarc" for short.
I used to be ProLife...or on the fence anyway. Until I went to church (this is RIGHT before I left it...so in the mid-90's) one Sunday and they were showing pictures of aborted fetuses on this huge ass'd screen. WTF?--I wanted to scream and run, but instead I sat and then just closed my eyes.
They were preaching to the CHOIR on this one (literally AND figuratively), and they had absolutely no shame about doing it. For some bizarre reason, from that day on I became prochoice. Pro-abortion even. So their plan backfired in a huge way. IDIOTS.
Same with this jackoff in this huge trailer-truck in Oceanside who has plastered a huge billboard size picture of an aborted fetus on his truck with the red words capitalized and bolded "ABORTION KILLS!!!" He also has all sorts of "interesting" shit on his truck, painted largely for all eyes to see, like "The Pope Killed Jesus" and "The Jews Are Evil!"...quite a crank, that guy is. He puts that truck out in parking lots and on peoples' residential streets til the cops come and tell him to move it.
well the major issue i have with pro-lifers  is they make any serious debate on the topic nearly impossible - if impossible
im in no way a pro-lifer but i do think there is need for some legitimate debate on what is human life and when we have the right to end it....
now obviously in cases of insest, rape, or where there's even a hint of the woman's life is at risk these should "always" be considered special cases - and even if the woman has made a clear decision, without any "outside influences" to end the pregnancy then I have NO problem
but many of these decisions are made under direst and divided debate doesn't help.
and if its a case of the man pushing for it, or abandoning his responsibilites, somewhere someone has to to step in and basically say , "be fucking responsible."
also a major problem i have with the the divided protests that occure over this issue is it doesn't allow for the woman to weigh every option without outside influences
there are plenty of couples who cant have children and want them, and have been dicked around by the adoption companies for rediculas amounts of time
yes the psychological effects on the woman can be pretty devestating for setting up a child for adoption, but so can aborting one, or having a child cause of a situation that is unhealthy for anyone and possibly outside of their control.
its a no win situation for her
but considering whats best for the child...
and if we in canada (can't speak for the others here) say that we are a "welfare country." we should start to act like one
if we cant surport a broken family, but can surport some dropout who just wants to smoke dope and not work we have no buisness calling ourselves a country which cares about the less fortunate
also i have no problem with the courts getting involved and forcing deadbeat fathers to actualy take responsibility and even forcing them to take care of the child if the woman for whatever reason can not
why bare all responisibily on the woman - unless it was artificial, or some freaky shit was going on she didn't asexualize that child, or have a virgin conception
i guess "personally" im pro-choice but only if all other options have been carefully considered and rejected
Quote from: Jenne on December 13, 2006, 06:26:28 PM
I think the term docs use most often is "DnC"...they in fact rarely refer to it as an abortion.  Just like heart attack is myocardial infarction.  Or "infarc" for short.
Yeah, that's the procedure but he also mentioned that when it comes to the paperwork the term "abortion" will be on it because it happend before 12 weeks. I forget exactly what he called it. "[something] abortion]. I know it's just a technical classification but it still seems pretty cold to me. Of course, I'm biased because I'm in the situation.
Yeah, I know. :(
I think life itself is pretty cold...esp in times like these...
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 13, 2006, 06:37:51 PM
Of course, I'm biased because I'm in the situation. 
thats understandable
just hope you know my last post too was a post about the how protesting is causing the debate to become divided and just plain undebatable - not about your situation in perticular
actually i wanted to add before but got lost in my post
first time i heard of a miscarriage being considered an abortion... thats actually really strange and almost wrong
the doctors should know the issue is so political and only use the term sparingly - otherwise they're throwing people to the wolves
That's exactly how I feel. It's not right for a woman to get repetitively knocked up and get continuous abortions. that's dumb, uneducated, and will probably cause health problems.
It's about weighing your options and the circumstances at hand. Yes, a woman should have a right to do what she wants with her body without outside influence. I don't feel that the government or church should intervene. By taking away a woman's right to have an abortion, the risks of illegal, unsanitary, and downright dangerous attempts.
Crap, I know if someone told me that it was against the law to get an abortion even though a pregnancy could risk my life, I know I'd hitchhike my ass to Canada to get one.
Quote from: kaousuu on December 13, 2006, 06:57:20 PM
That's exactly how I feel. It's not right for a woman to get repetitively knocked up and get continuous abortions. that's dumb, uneducated, and will probably cause health problems.
I dare you to find me one piece of evidence that any woman, anywhere, uses abortion as a repetitive form of birth control.
Do columns by Richard Littlejohn (the British answer to O'Reilly) count?
Sorry-- reliable evidence.
Quote from: LMNO on December 13, 2006, 07:15:22 PM
Quote from: kaousuu on December 13, 2006, 06:57:20 PM
That's exactly how I feel. It's not right for a woman to get repetitively knocked up and get continuous abortions. that's dumb, uneducated, and will probably cause health problems.
I dare you to find me one piece of evidence that any woman, anywhere, uses abortion as a repetitive form of birth control.
Not saying that there definitely is, because it would be wicked costly, but I'm sure I can dig up something.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 13, 2006, 06:44:44 PM
just hope you know my last post too was a post about the how protesting is causing the debate to become divided and just plain undebatable - not about your situation in perticular
actually i wanted to add before but got lost in my post
first time i heard of a miscarriage being considered an abortion... thats actually really strange and almost wrong
the doctors should know the issue is so political and only use the term sparingly - otherwise they're throwing people to the wolves
It's cool. And I wish I remembered exactly what the doctor called it. But basically, medically a miscarriage is when the pregnancy fails after 12 weeks. 12 weeks is basically where a pregnancy is "safe." In otherwords if the pregnancy is going to fail it most often happens in the first 12 weeks. So if things don't come together properly from the beginning [I know, real eloquent I am] more often than not the pregnancy will stop in that time frame.
When we get the paperwork I will post the accurate term. I just think it is ridiculous that such a loaded word would be used to describe an incident such as what my wife just went through.
I believe I may have a raison d'etre out of this whole thing.
damn. sorry to hear about that, man. if it happens again, bring a bag of human feces soaked in lighter fluid with you, light it on fire, and throw it into the middle of the crowd of pro-lifers. SOMEBODY will stomp on it to put it out. Old trick, but that's cuz it's hard to beat.
ECH,
really leaving now
I've heard the term "spontaneous abortion," but I doubt that's the phrase you're looking for.
Quote from: LMNO on December 13, 2006, 07:15:22 PM
Quote from: kaousuu on December 13, 2006, 06:57:20 PM
That's exactly how I feel. It's not right for a woman to get repetitively knocked up and get continuous abortions. that's dumb, uneducated, and will probably cause health problems.
I dare you to find me one piece of evidence that any woman, anywhere, uses abortion as a repetitive form of birth control.
I knew of a couple of people who'd had FIVE...and all were married too.
But they were particularly dumb bitches, as well. Aside from their apparent chosen form of birth control.
The last one I heard of from the younger chick was that she didn't want to be pregnant and in a bikini. Basically, she got pg at the wrong time of year. *rolling eyes smilie here*
jenne your making me loss what little faith in humanity i have left
:x
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 13, 2006, 11:11:11 PM
jenne your making me loss what little faith in humanity i have left
:x
What, you still have faith in humanity?
@OP: These fucktards called 'missionaries for the unborn' come round my university once every 2 years or so, and they hold up their big dead fetus signs, all standing across the street from the elementary catholic school, where all the little children can see them at recess. And they have their own children run around and hand out pamphlets with more pictures. And they yell at the top of their lungs too.
Im of the opinion that protesting never does anything but polarize the debate, gets people that have nothing to do with anything involved, and generaly doesnt do anyone any good
(unless your living under some totalitarian regime and you have no other option)
and using the little kids to do your dirty work really pisses me off
if you have pamphlet come give it to me yourself like an adult
so i could rip it up and throw it in your face
im not going to do that to some little kid
Pretty low to bring kids into it.
But hell, the brainwashing is best while they're young, yo.
And, sorry bout dat, TI.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 13, 2006, 11:41:53 PM
Im of the opinion that protesting never does anything but polarize the debate, gets people that have nothing to do with anything involved, and generaly doesnt do anyone any good
(unless your living under some totalitarian regime and you have no other option)
and using the little kids to do your dirty work really pisses me off
if you have pamphlet come give it to me yourself like an adult
so i could rip it up and throw it in your face
im not going to do that to some little kid
Which is why I am of the impression that all they are really aiming for is to cause trouble.
Quote from: Jenne on December 14, 2006, 12:08:30 AMPretty low to bring kids into it.
you mean like this (http://static.vsocial.com/flash/ups.swf?d=59323&a=0) ?
I couldn't watch that...
:-(
i like kids and it pisses me off when adults bring them into an adult world, which they can't objectivally comprehend at this point of their life
its assholes like that which make any debate on the issue impossible
and i do think there is some legitimate questions about life which have to be answered...
but it requires dickheads like that to come off their ivory tower and be able to reationize and admit the answer to these issues probably are somewhere in the middle of the debate
maybe i think this cause im not fully "pro-life", but im not "pro-choice"
at this point im probably more "pro-life" then choice though - but I could admit there are always exceptions
protesting does nothing to help anything
all it does is make them look like idiots, gets inocent people caught up in the debate, and creates a crusader atmosphere where people can not think rationaly - ie. whats happened to Rev whats his name and his wife (I hope she's holding up) :-(
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 14, 2006, 04:51:08 PMI couldn't watch that...
:-(
it's horrible.
i even doubted if i should post the link, but seeing as i just came across it yesterday and it was relevant and stuff being horrifying never stopped anyone here posting shit, i did.
Quote from: triple zero on December 14, 2006, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 14, 2006, 04:51:08 PMI couldn't watch that...
:-(
it's horrible.
i even doubted if i should post the link, but seeing as i just came across it yesterday and it was relevant and stuff being horrifying never stopped anyone here posting shit, i did.
Trully the most horrific thing I've seen recently. Glad I saw it- fuels the fire under Baby J's ass for f'kin sure.
The reality is that a lot of people look at children as tools.
It really is the equivalent of using people for human shields.
They use children in these protests as a sort of shield.
Most people wouldn't start having a confrontational debate with these children. It wouldn't seem right. And the adults know that.
Meanwhile the poor kids brain is getting scrambled.
Yeah, I know some humans do nurture their children. But it seems like there are so many who just screw them up as soon as they can start understanding words.
Another generation is turned into the future Clinic Bombers of America.
The only thing i gathered from that video was that God isn't powerful enough to save his children. What a weak ass.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 14, 2006, 07:44:53 PM
The reality is that a lot of people look at children as tools.
It really is the equivalent of using people for human shields.
They use children in these protests as a sort of shield.
Most people wouldn't start having a confrontational debate with these children. It wouldn't seem right. And the adults know that.
Meanwhile the poor kids brain is getting scrambled.
Yeah, I know some humans do nurture their children. But it seems like there are so many who just screw them up as soon as they can start understanding words.
I grew up during one of those divorces where the parents grab a kid each and start beating the shit out of each other with them. I learned that family are just a bunch of random idiots you share some chromosomes with. Good lesson - shit way to learn it.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 14, 2006, 08:05:53 PM
Another generation is turned into the future Clinic Bombers of America.
The only thing i gathered from that video was that God isn't powerful enough to save his children. What a weak ass.
:lol: Totally. And if you SAID that to any of them, they'd of course back down with a buncha "er, uh, no, you see, er, uh, right to choose, etc."...buncha bullshit.
RWHN is right. People spit out kids and then use them as extensions of themselves. Treat them no better than dogs. And then brainwash them into thinking this is all ok.
I'm stern with my kids, but I won't be making them vote a certain way, think that they have to "accept" this premade, prefab'd, plasticated premise about baby jesus swinging from the rearview mirror. No matter how much my Bible-thumping relatives want me to.
It was pretty fucking disturbing to see children driven to tears, screaming at Satan, "NO MORE, NO MORE!"
No wonder so many serial killers start out Christian. Guess God couldn't stop that either.
Their answer: the mystery of faith.
Quote from: Jenne on December 14, 2006, 10:50:31 PM
I'm stern with my kids, but I won't be making them vote a certain way, think that they have to "accept" this premade, prefab'd, plasticated premise about baby jesus swinging from the rearview mirror. No matter how much my Bible-thumping relatives want me to.
Baby Jesus does not swing from rearview mirrors. Fact: If you see Baby Jesus in your rearview mirror it means he is about to kill you. That's all you need to teach your kids about Baby Jesus.
:lol: Sounds good to me!
Bump for old-timey rage.
I was just thinking about a friend of mine, the other day. This thread fits. How entertaining.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 13, 2006, 05:32:04 PM
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING???
Have you ever had abortion protestors in your neighborhood? I,Äôm not talking about the nice old lady who goes to the church down the street who tries to give good intentioned advice. I,Äôm talking about the clan that travels city to city, town to town. They line the major highways and streets, shouting their slogans. And, of course, there are the visuals.
The grotesque pictures of aborted fetuses.
They hope to shame and shock those who have gone through the procedure. To show them the bloody error of their ways. To show how they desecrated life. All the while not showing the least bit of reservation about displaying it for those who do not need to see it.
There are those who have gone through trauma. They are in a situation where bringing a life into the world just isn,Äôt a good idea. They know they would be inadequate parents. They know they could not feed the child. Or, other reasons. Then, you have another set of people. The ones, who, involuntary, lost a developing life very early in the process. The ones, who went through the gut-wrenching, soul-crushing episode that is miscarriage.
But, the cold and unfeeling medical industry will label it as, ,Äúan abortion,Äù because it happened before 12 weeks. Yeah, it,Äôs just a billing term, the Doc says. But, in society, it is a stigma. Meanwhile, the cold, unfeeling protestors display their images. Unknowing and/or uncaring that they are re-traumatizing women who, not of their choice, had a pregnancy end very pre-maturely. They did not have a choice. They wished for this life force to come to fruition, while nature had other plans. Yet, they are subjected to the cruel, ignorant indifference of religious zealots.
But, religious zealotry is like the War on Terror. Collateral Damage be Damned. All I know is that if they decide to come to my town, they best not darken my doorstep. Because I will not think twice,Ķ
I know I don't rant and rage like I used to, but I still stand behind the last two sentences 167%! One of those fuckers come to my door they're leaving with fewer teeth.
I liked your rants and rages.
I've been doing a lot of it offline, IRL, about the topics that tend to get a little 'splodey around here.