Although it is not quite the standard, there is no shortage of people who dissent against the status quo of developed nations.
A large proportion of people, as they go through their teenage years, develop a outlook on the state of affairs where they see that things are either not going right, or that things could be better.
There are some mechanisms in place to keep dissenters at bay. Although some of these mechanisms are blatant (punishment or confinement), some of them are crafty and subtle.
Most 'dissenters', 'anarchists', and 'subversive thinkers' are kept in line even when they don't recognize it. It seems that one of the keys to this is tied into the rewards system that gets established and impressed upon people as they grow up.
No matter how much a person is displeased with the current system, it seems that many people are still stuck looking for the same rewards that are only seen in the current system.
The voice of dissention that wants to be known when he walks down the street as the voice of dissention.
The guy who buys the Che Guevara shirt in the color that nobody else has.
It is not against the law to carry a sign and holler in the street. It may be fun and look cool.
But, the truth is that carrying a sign and hollering in the street accomplishes approximately nothing.
In short, the person whose motivations are personal gain within the status quo rather than personal gain by changing the status quo is doing nothing but shooting himself in the foot. Possibly even the kneecap.
At the end of the day, the system stays in place - likely even stronger due to that person's contributions.
That isn't to say that the path toward A Better Tomorrow,Ñ¢ isn't thankless -
Although you may hear words of encouragement as you venture forth, and although people may make you offers that put you in a better physical situation, and although the insightfulness you develop may make a woman's panties moist, and although little kids might look up to you and want to be like you, these things should not be your motivation.
As long as they are your motivation, the Powers that Be,Ñ¢ have everything they need to dangle a carrot in front of your face. And even though you may not be afraid of them - even though they won't have you on the run - they will still have you chasing something.
As long as they can make you move, they will make you move. Jumping through hoops and making compromises that result in you coming up short in the long run.
You will never shake that feeling of lack, except for short periods of time.
That emptiness will linger.
If you see that things need to be changed, then change them. Don't get comfortable just because somebody tossed you a treat when you showed them a better trick.
Fucking hell.
y'all are setting the bar pretty goddamn high with the writing quality on this one.
Dammit.
LMNO
-back to the drawing board.
Yes, keeping the lack makes you go a bit insane, but shaking it off causes deeper, worse wounds in the end run.
Awesomely said, and much more food for thought than I needed today. :D
:mittens:, LHX
Food for thought?
I am stuffed, yet no overindulgence of this 'food' will leave me sated.
LHX has done it again.
People have rebelled in the past not because they were morally shocked at the state of things, but because thier leaders were making things uncomfortable. The western world is so comfortable that no matter what rulers do, people will never openly revolt.
Shit yeah.
So how do we convey the urgency and requisite paranoia?
what do you say to people who see no urgency in the situation?
there are some who exist
:mittens:
Quote from: Felix Mackay on December 30, 2006, 01:30:36 AM
People have rebelled in the past not because they were morally shocked at the state of things, but because thier leaders were making things uncomfortable. The western world is so comfortable that no matter what rulers do, people will never openly revolt.
Is that why they did it? I'm not so sure. People have accepted tyranny through the ages and never did a damned thing about it.
I think it comes more down to a shared piece of information--that revolt is not only possible but also has potential for success. The idea has to be introduced, explained and then SOLD. If the conditions are indeed "uncomfortable" (interesting choice here of describing what led to past coups/revolutions/insurgencies), then the selling points are made all the easier. If people are, indeed "comfortable," then yes, the selling points get much much harder to, well, SELL.
People don't just need an angry mob to get them going...they sometimes need a reason WHY they are going to fuck shit up and put themselves in the way of something they generally try to avoid all their lives (getting entangled with the "law enforcement" aspects of the government/ruling class/regime of the day).
Quote from: LHX on December 30, 2006, 07:52:20 PM
what do you say to people who see no urgency in the situation?
there are some who exist
repeated airhorns approximately 1 inch from the ear?
:mittens: on the writing btw.
One of the most intersting things I see along these lines are people who reject "commercial rock" music as they smoke cigarrettes and chow down McDonalds.
I find the smokes so interesting because, unlike food, you do not need them to survive, and you line the pockets of some very corrupt people.
Hunter S. Durden-
smoking since 12
Quote from: LHX on December 30, 2006, 07:52:20 PM
what do you say to people who see no urgency in the situation?
there are some who exist
I say, "look out assholes," hit the accelerator a bit and put my illegal police lights on the roof.
What about the corporate funded "dissent" bands that are actually encourage by their fat fucking corporate labels to put out songs about how the system is fucked and society is fucked and to fuck it all, because the kids who wanna hear that and think that way are just another marketing demographic...
this is just one side of what you were talking about, but it's one of those things that bothers me...
Sure, Pennywise sings about "Fuck Authority" but they're being paid incredibly well to do so, and the kids line up and buy tickets and submit to security searches on their way in, obeying authority, just to listen to a band sing about how much authority and society are working against them...
Hell of a nice message when seen from the outside...
And unrelated to the rest of this post, how about Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds funding anti-smoking ads? What kind of doublethink bullshit is that? I don't want the rich assholes that're providing me with my daily dose of suicide turning around and telling me to quit just because of some bullshit "moral obligation" imposed on them by new laws...
Cheers to LHX for the amazing post, it's good brain food.
Pennywise is making a lot of money?
Quote from: LMNO on January 05, 2007, 04:55:41 PM
Pennywise is making a lot of money?
Sorry, they WERE in the late 90's when I graduated from high school... The music scene today is flooded with Emo and stuff that just isn't applicable to me as a person, so I've kinda tuned out. But I was mostly using them as an example... There's all sorts of bands, and companies and clothing lines and product lines, that make their money on the so-called "counterculture"
These days, I think My Chemical Romance is the proper touchstone.
sings: "I'm alienated!"
10,000 fans reply: "ME TOO!"
I'd throw in later day Green Day into that pot too. Especially if it had a good boil going.
angst tastes like ... filthy workout clothes.
I'll pass.
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 05, 2007, 08:57:48 PM
angst tastes like ... filthy workout clothes.
I'll pass.
Heh. Angst...they took the German word for fear and turned it into the the English word for teenage apathy.
less apathy and more just feeling "upset and oppressed without justifiable reason"
but hey, the english language is unique, in that, we take something from each and every language...and then we rape it until it's an empty shell of a linguistic component, and leave it to wander the side of the highway in ripped undergarments with the rest of our victims..
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 06, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
less apathy and more just feeling "upset and oppressed without justifiable reason"
but hey, the english language is unique, in that, we take something from each and every language...and then we rape it until it's an empty shell of a linguistic component, and leave it to wander the side of the highway in ripped undergarments with the rest of our victims..
That so applies to our religion too. Expect to be plagiarised and distorted beyond all recognition in 3 .. 2 .. 1
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 06, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
less apathy and more just feeling "upset and oppressed without justifiable reason"
but hey, the english language is unique, in that, we take something from each and every language...and then we rape it until it's an empty shell of a linguistic component, and leave it to wander the side of the highway in ripped undergarments with the rest of our victims..
In that case, there is no angst ANYWERE. Same thing that happened to paranoia.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 08, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 06, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
less apathy and more just feeling "upset and oppressed without justifiable reason"
but hey, the english language is unique, in that, we take something from each and every language...and then we rape it until it's an empty shell of a linguistic component, and leave it to wander the side of the highway in ripped undergarments with the rest of our victims..
In that case, there is no angst ANYWERE. Same thing that happened to paranoia.
I don't know what you mean, I'm so paranoid that I'm thinking that you must be one of "them" and trying to convince me that there is no such thing as paranoia...or them...
Since paranoia is an unreasonable fear that people are out to get you, and since people are really out to get you, then paranoia by definition cannot exist.
Since angst is "feeling upset and oppressed without justifiable reason", and there is justifiable reason for feeling upset and oppressed, then angst by definition cannot exist.
I still think this teenage "angst" is some form of ideocentric apathy, though.
Or it is simply a tool of rebellion and separation.
Teenagers don't really know enough about the world they are about to be thrust into. While some think it's going to be rosy and fun, because they are no longer at home mostly, others think it is going to eat them alive. But, they don't have enough input or background to make a rational conclusion, thus, in some cases, the angst. Of course it continues into college for some. This is where the depressing/goth poetry comes from (HIMEOBS members will know what I'm talking about).
And, it ties into what LHX was talking about in Or Kill Me, attention.
"Oh, look how miserable I am."
The reason people are so surprised when someone commits suicide is because often, not always, those people internalize their "angst" only to make the very final attention-getting statement. Meanwhile, many who moan and groan about how much better it would be if they were just dead, probably would never really ever get up the gumption to do it, nor have any real motivations to do so.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
Since paranoia is an unreasonable fear that people are out to get you, and since people are really out to get you, then paranoia by definition cannot exist.
Since angst is "feeling upset and oppressed without justifiable reason", and there is justifiable reason for feeling upset and oppressed, then angst by definition cannot exist.
What?
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 04:24:52 PMI still think this teenage "angst" is some form of ideocentric apathy, though.
Sharp insight right here.
Quote from: Netaungrot on January 09, 2007, 07:04:07 PMQuote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
Since paranoia is an unreasonable fear that people are out to get you, and since people are really out to get you, then paranoia by definition cannot exist.
Since angst is "feeling upset and oppressed without justifiable reason", and there is justifiable reason for feeling upset and oppressed, then angst by definition cannot exist.
What?
i dunno i kinda makes sense ..
people who think they "got angst"
.. nah it doesn't. wait. draw your own conclusions.
They ARE out to get you; people ARE being opressed and SHOULD be upset.
Therefore, paranoia and angst cannot exist, using the definitions of the words.
Is this really that hard of logic?
Wait, so if people really are out to get you than wouldn't the paranoia be justified in the first place?  
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 09, 2007, 08:11:00 PM
Wait, so if people really are out to get you than wouldn't the paranoia be justified in the first place?
Paranoia is an suspicion of others that is not based on fact. If it was based on fact, than it wouldn't be paranoia, it would be something else.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 09, 2007, 08:11:00 PM
Wait, so if people really are out to get you than wouldn't the paranoia be justified in the first place?
Paranoia is an suspicion of others that is not based on fact. If it was based on fact, than it wouldn't be paranoia, it would be something else.
vigilance?
Fuck.
Good word. Like resolve.
i understand the logic. i said draw your own conclusions because the logical "trap" is not that hard to get out of.
it's all semantics anyway, words are signs for a certain intended meaning and some of those meanings are a bit poorly chosen, leading to apparent paradoxes.
i wouldn't worry about it too much.
vigilant is a cool word, resolve as well.
resolve is kind of like willpower, no?
Firmness of purpose and decision
Yeah, I think its got a lot to do with willpower.
Adamant.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 09:50:39 PM
Firmness of purpose and decision
Yeah, I think its got a lot to do with willpower.
...
I think that if it can't be paranoia, on account of it being suspicion based on fact...it's not really vigilance or resolve, as it is just good goddamn common sense...
if you KNOW someone is out to get you, and you prepare for the day when they come...that's just common sense...
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 09, 2007, 08:09:29 PM
They ARE out to get you; people ARE being opressed and SHOULD be upset.
Therefore, paranoia and angst cannot exist, using the definitions of the words.
Is this really that hard of logic?
Yes, people are out to get you, people are oppressed and people ought to be upset.
You're using loose definitions to make a point, please don't make this about using "logic" to disprove the existence of paranoia and angst.
That's ridiculous.
this is what i was trying to say.
Geez, you try to make a meme on here, and people jump on your back. :lulz:
Angst and paranoia are a way of DISMISSING claims of fact. "Oh, you're just being paranoid" "Oh, thats just the teenage angst talking". Why would you want to continue being called that, if you are in actuality acting on fact?
Enough. Im coming down with something, most likely viral. Argue as you will, I've said my piece.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 10, 2007, 03:42:46 AM
Geez, you try to make a meme on here, and people jump on your back. :lulz:
Angst and paranoia are a way of DISMISSING claims of fact. "Oh, you're just being paranoid" "Oh, thats just the teenage angst talking". Why would you want to continue being called that, if you are in actuality acting on fact?
Enough. Im coming down with something, most likely viral. Argue as you will, I've said my piece.
The virus was cooked up by "them" for trying to prove that paranoia and angst don't exist and ruin their perfect veil of illusion and deception...
you'll probably turn into the undead a la Resident Evil 1 - 3 and awaken without identity and an overwhelming hunger for brains...or at least a need to breathily say "STARS" every 20 minutes...
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 10, 2007, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 10, 2007, 03:42:46 AM
Geez, you try to make a meme on here, and people jump on your back.  :lulz:
Angst and paranoia are a way of DISMISSING claims of fact. "Oh, you're just being paranoid" "Oh, thats just the teenage angst talking". Why would you want to continue being called that, if you are in actuality acting on fact?
Enough. Im coming down with something, most likely viral. Argue as you will, I've said my piece.
The virus was cooked up by "them" for trying to prove that paranoia and angst don't exist and ruin their perfect veil of illusion and deception...
you'll probably turn into the undead a la Resident Evil 1 - 3 and awaken without identity and an overwhelming hunger for brains...or at least a need to breathily say "STARS" every 20 minutes...
I like the way you think young man! Zombies FTW
I see the existence of paranoia and angst to be reasonable, in a general sense. Perhaps it is irrational for a certain specific individual to feel those things because nothing has ever specifically happened to them. But, in a broader sense, if you see something happening to someone else, and you see it being reasonable for the same said thing to happen to you, then in a way it makes sense for the paranoia to exist. Because to a certain degree it's entertaining a very reasonable possibility that someone indeed is out to get them.
As far as teenage angst, I just chalk that up to a child still learning about their environment. I'm sure if we all rummaged around in out attics and closets we could find an old poem, song, whatever that we wrote about the world sucking. It's a part of growing up really.
The thing is, the world DOES suck. That bad thing about paranoia and angst is that they give a false sense of "so don't do anything about it" hopelessness.
Just because the world sucks doesn't mean you can't do your part to try and change it. Even if it's a small bit of change, that's enough to destroy the worst aspects of angst and "they're all out to get me so in the sand goes my head"...
Angst I see as being another acne - like thing; usually plagues teenagers but some adults never grow out of it.
Paranoia on the other hand I think is a sliding scale, from healthy paranoia at one end to - locked in a basement with a collection of assault rifles and a tinfoil helmet - paranoia, at the other.
Healthy paranoia is just staying alert for the odd occasion when someone might sneak up behind you, stick a knife in your kidneys and take your wallet. Kinda like insurance - you buy into it, not exactly expecting your house to burn down but, if it does, you got it covered.
At some point the rational line is crossed and your paranoia goes from keeping one eye on the drunk bloke making all the noise at the table next to you in the pub to checking the cockroaches in your kitchen for tiny tranmitters.
I tend to reserve the word "paranoia" for when the vigilance becomes, well, unreasonable. There's a difference between being on heightened alert because you are walking through a mall parking lot at night by yourself, and never leaving your house to go to said mall because you're convinced someone will attack you.
As far as protecting yourself from your own government is concerned, I don't think you can ever be vigilant enough.
So, is paranoia indeed the extreme behavior, or as Silly says, does it, too, have a sliding scale in reasonability.
I think you can have angst without being immature, as well.
*Jenne, the angsty 33 year old*
is it angst when you acknowledge that you are a part of a self-destructive system?
I don't think I'd define angst that way, no, LHX.
Angst, again, to me, is abject hopelessness, an indulgence thereof, so to speak.
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:16:21 PM
is it angst when you acknowledge that you are a part of a self-destructive system?
I always figured it was more a case of whining about the fact that there was nothing anyone could do about the self destructive system they seemed trapped in.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:16:21 PM
is it angst when you acknowledge that you are a part of a self-destructive system?
I always figured it was more a case of whining about the fact that there was nothing anyone could do about the self destructive system they seemed trapped in.
I think that's the possible consequences of said angst.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:16:21 PM
is it angst when you acknowledge that you are a part of a self-destructive system?
I always figured it was more a case of whining about the fact that there was nothing anyone could do about the self destructive system they seemed trapped in.
true
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 05:23:40 PM
I don't think I'd define angst that way, no, LHX.
Angst, again, to me, is abject hopelessness, an indulgence thereof, so to speak.
so then would you say angst is intentional depression?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 10, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 05:23:40 PM
I don't think I'd define angst that way, no, LHX.
Angst, again, to me, is abject hopelessness, an indulgence thereof, so to speak.
so then would you say angst is intentional depression?
Naw...just reveling in its aftereffects.
It's a selfish thing, to be sure.
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state.  I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
agreed.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 10, 2007, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
agreed.
I'd also say it's perversely addictive. It's kinda comforting in a fucked up way.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 10, 2007, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
agreed.
I'd also say it's perversely addictive. It's kinda comforting in a fucked up way.
That's just a vicious cycle of coping that doesn't really work.
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 10, 2007, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
agreed.
I'd also say it's perversely addictive. It's kinda comforting in a fucked up way.
That's just a vicious cycle of coping that doesn't really work.
Working doesn't even enter into it. The whole thing about depression is it's not working. Depression is a malfunction. A comforting, addictive malfunction.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 09:44:42 PM
Working doesn't even enter into it. The whole thing about depression is it's not working. Depression is a malfunction. A comforting, addictive malfunction.
Ehhh...I have problems with that statement. First, I think there are plenty of depressives out there who just don't diagnose the problem as that, exactly. They just climb into a bottle of whatever and get the fuck over it. Or beat their dogs/kids/wives/husbands/bosses.
Also, ever notice depressives also have anger management problems as well?
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 10, 2007, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
agreed.
I'd also say it's perversely addictive. It's kinda comforting in a fucked up way.
That's just a vicious cycle of coping that doesn't really work.
:mittens:
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 09:44:42 PM
Working doesn't even enter into it. The whole thing about depression is it's not working. Depression is a malfunction. A comforting, addictive malfunction.
Ehhh...I have problems with that statement. First, I think there are plenty of depressives out there who just don't diagnose the problem as that, exactly. They just climb into a bottle of whatever and get the fuck over it. Or beat their dogs/kids/wives/husbands/bosses.
Also, ever notice depressives also have anger management problems as well?
I was a long time, diagnosed acute bipolar which has a depressive cycle. I noticed a lot of things about it. Whether they work out that they're depressed or not they become addicted to the mood is what I meant. Depression is like a spiral, once you're in it you make yourself more and more depressed unless something happens to snap you out of it. Once you're out, as soon as you start to feel depressed again you can't help jumping right back in there. I beat depression by learning this.
THAT is a tough road to hoe, Silly...esp with the bipolarism.
And a lucky sob in that you learned how to get yourself out of it.
Really, man. I've observed BP disorder and it's a doozie.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 10, 2007, 10:25:30 PM
Really, man. I've observed BP disorder and it's a doozie.
One of the strongest mindfucks known to man. Damn glad I did it. But would I wish it on my worst enemy?
(prolly for the lulz)
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
that sounds like something a clinically depressed person might say...
perhaps you need some medication for your obviously improperly adjusted brain chemicals...
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
definitely...
being robbed at gunpoint, and being disappointed that the gun wasn't actually loaded, that was definitely beyond depression for me...
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
I think its because when people open their minds to the enormous schlew of problems that this world has and not a clue how to do anything about it, many times it simply overwhelms and causes a fatalistic, nihilistic, or similar view point, and the "newly awakened" slides into depression.
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 11, 2007, 12:25:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
that sounds like something a clinically depressed person might say...
perhaps you need some medication for your obviously improperly adjusted brain chemicals...
Yeah, I'm drinkin' it now: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
*slurp*
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 12:58:28 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 11, 2007, 12:25:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
I don't think you can MAKE yourself be depressed...you just are.
But you can keep yourself there once you realize you are already in that state. I think the current pop-psych bullshit really removes the legitimacy of that, unfortunately.
that sounds like something a clinically depressed person might say...
perhaps you need some medication for your obviously improperly adjusted brain chemicals...
Yeah, I'm drinkin' it now: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
*slurp*
Good stuff?
If so, link to specs?
...o/` I'll make it through the day, with some help, from Johnny Walker Red...o/`
Lemme see...
www.sierranevada.com
:D
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 11, 2007, 12:29:04 AM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
definitely...
being robbed at gunpoint, and being disappointed that the gun wasn't actually loaded, that was definitely beyond depression for me...
i think there is a trend that people here have been thru some shit
not saying that its any type of necessity - but fucked up situations encourage people to look at things differently
there arent many other ways
Well, when you have a non-Ozzy-and-Harriet existence, and you notice it, you start to question why that may be.
Quote from: LHX on January 11, 2007, 01:54:58 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 11, 2007, 12:29:04 AM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
definitely...
being robbed at gunpoint, and being disappointed that the gun wasn't actually loaded, that was definitely beyond depression for me...
i think there is a trend that people here have been thru some shit
not saying that its any type of necessity - but fucked up situations encourage people to look at things differently
there arent many other ways
Every experience has lead up to me being who I am, for better or worse, I'm glad I had those experiences, no matter how bad they were at the time...
the alternative to being glad is to be crying victim
that gets you nothing but dampness
...and nasal congestion.
...and puffy eyes.
...and a release of endorphins to cheer you up.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 12:33:12 AM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
it seems like a lot of people here have travelled to a place that is beyond depression
I think its because when people open their minds to the enormous schlew of problems that this world has and not a clue how to do anything about it, many times it simply overwhelms and causes a fatalistic, nihilistic, or similar view point, and the "newly awakened" slides into depression.
Thats what I was talking about in that other thread when I said I thought suicidal nihillism was the result of taking one step in the right direction. Only now I'm all depressed and weepy and shit cos you said it better than me.
(BMW always says it better than me - Read Silly-Upgrade)
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 01:35:06 AM
Lemme see...
www.sierranevada.com
:D
Looks good, maybe have to try sometime.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 10:31:31 AM
(BMW always says it better than me - Read Silly-Upgrade)
Not true. I suck at writing half the time, and the other half I'm passable.
Writing ain't EVER easy.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 01:35:06 AM
Lemme see...
www.sierranevada.com
:D
Looks good, maybe have to try sometime.
Sightly agressive hops, but sweeter than an IPA, very flowery aroma.
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2007, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 01:35:06 AM
Lemme see...
www.sierranevada.com
:D
Looks good, maybe have to try sometime.
Sightly agressive hops, but sweeter than an IPA, very flowery aroma.
I LIKE the bitterness of hops. Any beer without them is slightly lacking in my book, even if its got everything else.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 02:18:28 AM
Well, when you have a non-Ozzy-and-Harriet existence, and you notice it, you start to question why that may be.
I grew up in a "Cleaver"-like home.  (I guess that would make me Wally)  While that sounds nice, in a way, I think tradgedy can be a little harsher because you have farther to fall.  You are used to insulation, even if it is possibly naive insulation.  Then something kicks you in the teeth and leaves you a bit winded and dizzied emotionally.  And when that happens at 13 it can especially throw you for a loop.  Of course, it shapes a person and you can't imagine yourself being any different, even if it means having someone you were very, very close to back in the plane of existence.  
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 06:00:40 PMI LIKE the bitterness of hops. Any beer without them is slightly lacking in my book, even if its got everything else.
I agree. Sierra's not my fave. Just giving you the scoop, is all.[
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2007, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 06:00:40 PMI LIKE the bitterness of hops. Any beer without them is slightly lacking in my book, even if its got everything else.
I agree. Sierra's not my fave. Just giving you the scoop, is all.[
And I thank you for that. I gotta get through all Wisconsin can give me before I go on to other beers anyway. Too much good beer in this state to ignore.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 11, 2007, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 02:18:28 AM
Well, when you have a non-Ozzy-and-Harriet existence, and you notice it, you start to question why that may be.
I grew up in a "Cleaver"-like home.  (I guess that would make me Wally)  While that sounds nice, in a way, I think tradgedy can be a little harsher because you have farther to fall.  You are used to insulation, even if it is possibly naive insulation.  Then something kicks you in the teeth and leaves you a bit winded and dizzied emotionally.  And when that happens at 13 it can especially throw you for a loop.  Of course, it shapes a person and you can't imagine yourself being any different, even if it means having someone you were very, very close to back in the plane of existence.  
Oh yes, the "insidiousness" of being "normal."  Yeah, I've watched and felt the effects of this myself.  Though, I always lived a "false-Cleaver" experience...not the anti-Cleaver that my relatives and my dad had, but the "false" one.  Compared to them, we seemed much more Cleaver-like, and we made a good show for their benefit, and those at Church.
But it was a whole different scenario "in reality."  For which I'm grateful for, because it's that reality that ended up grounding me when my world crashed not too long ago.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2007, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 06:00:40 PMI LIKE the bitterness of hops. Any beer without them is slightly lacking in my book, even if its got everything else.
I agree. Sierra's not my fave. Just giving you the scoop, is all.[
And I thank you for that. I gotta get through all Wisconsin can give me before I go on to other beers anyway. Too much good beer in this state to ignore.
I think, based on your reviews, you'd like it. It's a popular brew for a reason--stands up to a lot of microbrews because of its complexity, but it's also terribly accessible as well.
LMNO's description is pretty apt, as well.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 11, 2007, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 02:18:28 AM
Well, when you have a non-Ozzy-and-Harriet existence, and you notice it, you start to question why that may be.
I grew up in a "Cleaver"-like home. (I guess that would make me Wally) While that sounds nice, in a way, I think tradgedy can be a little harsher because you have farther to fall. You are used to insulation, even if it is possibly naive insulation. Then something kicks you in the teeth and leaves you a bit winded and dizzied emotionally. And when that happens at 13 it can especially throw you for a loop. Of course, it shapes a person and you can't imagine yourself being any different, even if it means having someone you were very, very close to back in the plane of existence.
Oh yes, the "insidiousness" of being "normal." Yeah, I've watched and felt the effects of this myself. Though, I always lived a "false-Cleaver" experience...not the anti-Cleaver that my relatives and my dad had, but the "false" one. Compared to them, we seemed much more Cleaver-like, and we made a good show for their benefit, and those at Church.
But it was a whole different scenario "in reality." For which I'm grateful for, because it's that reality that ended up grounding me when my world crashed not too long ago.
Mind explaining cleaver? I'm guessing us sitcom or somethig that I've never seen, based on ozzie and harriet thing which I heard in fight club.
The iconic Man goes to work, Woman stays at home, clean-cut middle class lifestyle.
"Cleaver" is the family on "Leave it to Beaver."  Typical American Black and White/do gooder/Mom and Pop fair from the 50's.  But they were your typical family of 4, nothing ever really went wrong, Dad got the promotion, Mom made the killer Apple Pie.  Sure, once in awhile Beaver would get himself stuck on a Billboard (apparently they had no water towers), but he never did anything "really" bad.  
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:12:06 PM
The iconic Man goes to work, Woman stays at home, clean-cut middle class lifestyle.
*blegh*
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really.  Like the Disney of families, I guess.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 11, 2007, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:12:06 PM
The iconic Man goes to work, Woman stays at home, clean-cut middle class lifestyle.
*blegh*
Yes, but you'd be surprised how many of us are preprogrammed to accept this as normal.
I've seen article after article on this terrible tr00f in magazines and newspapers.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Americans do make rather a lot about their icons, don't we? I think that's a particular barstool dilemma that won't be conquered...we'll probably just get bloody heads.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Americans do make rather a lot about their icons, don't we? I think that's a particular barstool dilemma that won't be conquered...we'll probably just get bloody heads.
I wouldn't say any more than UK. We got our fair share of icons over here.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Americans do make rather a lot about their icons, don't we?  I think that's a particular barstool dilemma that won't be conquered...we'll probably just get bloody heads.
Nope, it just changes form. The Cosby Show wasn't much different really. Sure, you had some African-American culture and more kids, but at the end of the day, the family wasn't all that different then the "Cleavers." Nothing truly bad or devastating ever happened to the family.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Americans do make rather a lot about their icons, don't we? I think that's a particular barstool dilemma that won't be conquered...we'll probably just get bloody heads.
I wouldn't say any more than UK. We got our fair share of icons over here.
Please to be naming a few. For you UK'ers rarely drop them as often as we do in our writing.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 11, 2007, 06:23:58 PM
Nope, it just changes form. The Cosby Show wasn't much different really. Sure, you had some African-American culture and more kids, but at the end of the day, the family wasn't all that different then the "Cleavers." Nothing truly bad or devastating ever happened to the family.
Well, that show was a saaaad testament to popular media's white-washing of Black middle class culture.
Juxtapose that with the previous decade's "Good Times" to see what I am talking about.
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 11, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
It's a popular iconic theme in American gestalt, really. Like the Disney of families, I guess.
I get a lot of these but when I don't I usually end up reading posts over and over for clues.
Americans do make rather a lot about their icons, don't we? I think that's a particular barstool dilemma that won't be conquered...we'll probably just get bloody heads.
I wouldn't say any more than UK. We got our fair share of icons over here.
Please to be naming a few. For you UK'ers rarely drop them as often as we do in our writing.
Thing is we get most of your tv shows over here anyroad but you only get a small percentage of ours so most of us don't expect you to get a line from one of ours. Nobody watches sitcoms anymore but theres loads of one liners and soap opera character refs that are pretty much UK universal. If I was to say some lady looked like Dot Cotton it'd be a small percentage that didn't know who I meant. If we're just talking about Scotland then I could say "Gonny no dae that" or "his dad's Rab C" (prolly wouln't even need the Nesbit part for Davedim to get me)
See, I find it rather sad that the proliferation of our pop culture and resultant icons reinforces this idiotic American notion we have that everyone should "get" what we're talking about...esp with self-referentials.
I am deeply guilty of this, of course, so I suppose I'll just get over it. :lol:
Any culture does that.
Go up to somebody on the street and reference the Barstool Experiment.
They won't know what you're talking about, but we will.
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2007, 07:30:50 PM
Any culture does that.
Go up to somebody on the street and reference the Barstool Experiment.
They won't know what you're talking about, but we will.
Difference is if you're as big a culture as america you get to be surprised when they don't
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 11, 2007, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 11, 2007, 07:30:50 PM
Any culture does that.
Go up to somebody on the street and reference the Barstool Experiment.
They won't know what you're talking about, but we will.
Difference is if you're as big a culture as america you get to be surprised when they don't
Exactly.
Every culture has referentials. Every culture has icons. Not every culture expects strangers from different lands to know what they are.
http://www.philosophistry.com/archives/2004/04/if_ignorance_is_bliss_what_should_intellectuals_do.html
Some additions:
- Nobody will ever understand you completely.
- You can only speak for yourself.
- There will always be a major distortion between what you know, what you will be able to communicate, and what people will then comprehend.
- There is no such thing as perfect trust.
- Life does have no intrinsic meaning.
- Much of my life is directed by things preceding me and therefore out of my control.
- Your mind will always be polluted by public discourse (superego*).
- We impact everything, but yet we are often powerless to control.
- Discursive opinion will often not match reality.
- Perspectives and living are ephemeral and temporary.
- There is no perfect truth (save for maybe Math)
- You will always be irrational.
- Your emotions will always interfere with your sense of truth.
- Life is composed of layers of visible and invisible cliche's and story lines
- We are ultimately subject to forces beyond us, natural selection, laws of accelerating returns, etc.
- There is no perfect break from some vaguely deterministic path.
- What ppl tell you or how others view you will inevitbly affect you.
- No event or action is completely beneficial.
- You will always be an agent of some evil.
- You will never be beyond reproach.
- You will be the vehicle of stupid actions that are equally as inane as the sins of others
- You will always have bias.
- Outside of science, nobody knows. like politics. etc.
- We will always have to act on incomplete knowledge.
- There is no absolutely good action
- You will never be able to do precisely what you want to do
- There is no true home
- You can never be truly authentic
- There will always be so much more beyond your awareness.
- Not everything is possible
- You will always be part of an existing process
- You can never truly break from the trajectory, maybe nudge it around, but that'll ultimately be part of that trajectory
- Your weaknesses will always be betrayed by your actions at some point
- You will always be in some nature fake
- No event or meal or situation or conversation will be completely satisfactory
- Nothing will every be completely satisfactory
- You will never be completely comfortable
- Something will always be itchy
- The gravity of life will always be subject to potential subjection of risk to utter, stupid, and simple anniilation. Like a car accident.
- You will never have total control
- You won't be able to win them all. Someone will always hate you no matter what.
- There is no perfect art
- There are other lives within you that will carry on their own
- You won't ever be beyond your own embarassment.
- You will never do the optimal thing
- There is no true external should.
- There will always be a kryptonite.
- You cannot escape your emotions.
- You cannot forget the past.
- Something will always haunt you.
- Nobody is beyond temptation
- Knowing and doing will always be different
Added 4/11/04:
- You won't ever completely understand yourself or others.
- Some things you will never be able to get over.
- You will never rid the world of evil and cruelty
- You will never reach your full potential
Added 4/12/04
- You will always be subject to the needs of your containing vehicles: physical body, relationships, family, house, nation, car, etc..
- Because of the nature of time, everything that persists requires maintenence.
Quote from: Cain on January 14, 2007, 04:24:40 PM
- There will always be a major distortion between what you know, what you will be able to communicate, and what people will then comprehend.
I don't know whether to be relieved that it's not just me, or sad because if it's not just me, that means there's probably fuck-all I can do to fix it.
Sort of related: A while back, I was pondering the phenomenon of Otherkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) and wondering what prompts people to embrace such a philosophy. And while I'm sure the typical answer of "cry for attention" plays some part, I also think some folks decide it's the best explanation of why they interact with the world so much differently than others around them. "None of the other human beings I know have these particular problems with life, or if they do, they have a much easier time handling it. Why am I the only one with these particular difficulties? Oh! It's because I'm not entirely human!" It's not so much that they want to believe they're better than everyone else; it's more like they want an easy explanation for why it's just them.
DJ - that bit you quoted from Cain is pretty much the driving force behind my interest in language, semantics and debate.
Good observation about the Otherkin, btw.
Quote from: DJRubberducky on January 16, 2007, 03:50:48 PM
Sort of related: A while back, I was pondering the phenomenon of Otherkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) and wondering what prompts people to embrace such a philosophy.  And while I'm sure the typical answer of "cry for attention" plays some part, I also think some folks decide it's the best explanation of why they interact with the world so much differently than others around them.  "None of the other human beings I know have these particular problems with life, or if they do, they have a much easier time handling it.  Why am I the only one with these particular difficulties?  Oh!  It's because I'm not entirely human!"  It's not so much that they want to believe they're better than everyone else; it's more like they want an easy explanation for why it's just them.
I have a close friend who I would describe as an Otherkin. We worked together in Retail Hell and he would often comment about "you humans" It seemed to be a very real frustration with the human condition and a deep longing to not be associated with it. Of course it eventually turned him on to the PD, and subsequently turned me onto it. But, I never really echoed his otherkin sentiment. While I do truly get frustrated with human behavior, to totally isolate yourself from it, even if simply symbolic, doesn't really seem very productive. I'd much rather rally with others to try to have some impact on it, even if it is borderline non-existant.
bump
In the case of otherkin, I say do what's best for society. Start by preying on that which is different for fear of how unnatural and different it is. We are right because we have the guns, and since you've decided to label yourself as different we might as well start with the easiest targets. Then kill the heretics and non-believers (at least the ones we point at), that'll teach em for being weird and not paying me taxes as tribute for how superior I am. Next we decide a heirarchy, with me as leader of course, and the people who impress me the most as my generals. In a very short ammount of time we'll develop an excellent dictatorship under the guise of liberty and justice for all and then confuse the slaves with some abstract bulshit called capitalism. Who's with me? Everyone, of course. I know because I'm right because I have the guns. Oh, by the way, violence is wrong.
AKK
I liked the opening rant, it inspired me for the greater good to puch my beliefs on others =P
There's things I want to say, but I'm not sure if that's some REALLY clever sarcasm and wit, or if he's trolling, or both...
30 posts remain until I'll know for certain I guess...
I know a guy who might just barely fit into his own species. He's Ted the Tedanian, and he's human shaped, but his genes are just different enough to classify him as inhuman. Guy changes color. After a month of dried noodles, he turned yellow. Also has inhuman endurance... a lot of shit that doesn't come to mind, but he's a freak.
Is that otherkin?
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 24, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
In the case of otherkin, I say do what's best for society. Start by preying on that which is different for fear of how unnatural and different it is. We are right because we have the guns, and since you've decided to label yourself as different we might as well start with the easiest targets. Then kill the heretics and non-believers (at least the ones we point at), that'll teach em for being weird and not paying me taxes as tribute for how superior I am. Next we decide a heirarchy, with me as leader of course, and the people who impress me the most as my generals. In a very short ammount of time we'll develop an excellent dictatorship under the guise of liberty and justice for all and then confuse the slaves with some abstract bulshit called capitalism. Who's with me? Everyone, of course. I know because I'm right because I have the guns. Oh, by the way, violence is wrong.
AKK
I liked the opening rant, it inspired me for the greater good to puch my beliefs on others =P
yeah - try that out for a while
see how it goes
Quote from: LHX on March 25, 2007, 02:12:22 AM
yeah - try that out for a while
see how it goes
I would but I already lost interest. Seems someone beat me to it anyhow.
AKK
Quote from: Felix Mackay on March 25, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
I know a guy who might just barely fit into his own species. He's Ted the Tedanian, and he's human shaped, but his genes are just different enough to classify him as inhuman. Guy changes color. After a month of dried noodles, he turned yellow. Also has inhuman endurance... a lot of shit that doesn't come to mind, but he's a freak.
Is that otherkin?
Eh, they usu put themselves in the same pot as werewolves, etc. Part-human, part-aneemall. *shrug* I think DJ is right...it's a reach into what you can't explain about yourself that makes you feel "other than" everyone else around you, and gives you reason to not be responsible for it.
As for Cain's list, I have issue with quite a few up there. One of them being the first one.
I have to say that I have a VERY close relationship with both of my younger brothers. To the point where I understand VERY well where they are coming from. And they me. So...even though they don't AGREE with every little action I take, they totally see where I am and what I feel, at pretty much every stage of the game.
Guess I'm a lucky bitch that way.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on March 25, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
I know a guy who might just barely fit into his own species. He's Ted the Tedanian, and he's human shaped, but his genes are just different enough to classify him as inhuman. Guy changes color. After a month of dried noodles, he turned yellow. Also has inhuman endurance... a lot of shit that doesn't come to mind, but he's a freak.
Is that otherkin?
IS HE A BEAUTIFUL FAIRY PRINCESS?
TGRR,
BEAUTIFUL FAIRY PRINCESS.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on March 25, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
I know a guy who might just barely fit into his own species. He's Ted the Tedanian, and he's human shaped, but his genes are just different enough to classify him as inhuman. Guy changes color. After a month of dried noodles, he turned yellow. Also has inhuman endurance... a lot of shit that doesn't come to mind, but he's a freak.
Is that otherkin?
I think otherkin indicates that you are so pretentious as to believe that your own differences from the rest of the human race make you unique enough to warrant a special title in a classical form of mental masterbation. I always do my part to recomend to anyone that pretentious that they, rather than mentally masturbate, just get straight to it and give themselves head whilst fisting themselves. Why dance around the subject? Why not get straight to it? Point is everyone is, everyone is different and that doesn't make you special to be different too. This is exactly why the bartender gives you a savage blow to the head at the end of the barstool experiment, to let you know that being pretentious doesn't make you immune to the laws of physical reality. In this fashion, realizing that you are oh soooo deep and poetic (aka a giant bleeding heart/vagina wussy) that you must indeed have the blood/spirit of the fae (or some other ridiculous myth) in your body and feel it necessary to share your delusion with the rest of us who are doing our best not to push our retarded bullshit on other people for the sake of harmony, peace and good will toward men. Much like the barstool experiement, a savage blow to the head cures all.
Unfortunately without this level of delusional behavior i would lose much of my entertainment. Crazy, pretentious and ridiculous people make up about 95% of my friends beause their ridiculousness can at least hold my attention span if I'm in the mood for it. Further, being that they are so delusional they are also usually preconditioned to dealing with the fringe benefits of being counted among my friends. Indeed, being among friends does not excuse me from flaming them incessently about how retardiculous they can be, and I would expect no less from them (as it's all in good fun anyhow).
In any case, Ted the tedian isn't actually human, he's a superhero, and he sounds like he kicks ass, especially if he is self described as ted the tedian. I give him 2 points for style for not hyjacking some other overused cliche.
AKK
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 25, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
Quote from: LHX on March 25, 2007, 02:12:22 AM
yeah - try that out for a while
see how it goes
I would but I already lost interest. Seems someone beat me to it anyhow.
AKK
and what did you learn from their mistakes?
Quote from: LHX on March 25, 2007, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 25, 2007, 03:27:01 AM
Quote from: LHX on March 25, 2007, 02:12:22 AM
yeah - try that out for a while
see how it goes
I would but I already lost interest. Seems someone beat me to it anyhow.
AKK
and what did you learn from their mistakes?
Mistakes? Are you kidding, they're still in office! They always have been! What the hell are you talking about? :mrgreen: *waves patriotic flag and lights self on fire*
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 25, 2007, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on March 25, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
I know a guy who might just barely fit into his own species. He's Ted the Tedanian, and he's human shaped, but his genes are just different enough to classify him as inhuman. Guy changes color. After a month of dried noodles, he turned yellow. Also has inhuman endurance... a lot of shit that doesn't come to mind, but he's a freak.
Is that otherkin?
I think otherkin indicates that you are so pretentious as to believe that your own differences from the rest of the human race make you unique enough to warrant a special title in a classical form of mental masterbation. I always do my part to recomend to anyone that pretentious that they, rather than mentally masturbate, just get straight to it and give themselves head whilst fisting themselves. Why dance around the subject? Why not get straight to it? Point is everyone is, everyone is different and that doesn't make you special to be different too. This is exactly why the bartender gives you a savage blow to the head at the end of the barstool experiment, to let you know that being pretentious doesn't make you immune to the laws of physical reality. In this fashion, realizing that you are oh soooo deep and poetic (aka a giant bleeding heart/vagina wussy) that you must indeed have the blood/spirit of the fae (or some other ridiculous myth) in your body and feel it necessary to share your delusion with the rest of us who are doing our best not to push our retarded bullshit on other people for the sake of harmony, peace and good will toward men. Much like the barstool experiement, a savage blow to the head cures all.
Unfortunately without this level of delusional behavior i would lose much of my entertainment. Crazy, pretentious and ridiculous people make up about 95% of my friends beause their ridiculousness can at least hold my attention span if I'm in the mood for it. Further, being that they are so delusional they are also usually preconditioned to dealing with the fringe benefits of being counted among my friends. Indeed, being among friends does not excuse me from flaming them incessently about how retardiculous they can be, and I would expect no less from them (as it's all in good fun anyhow).
In any case, Ted the tedian isn't actually human, he's a superhero, and he sounds like he kicks ass, especially if he is self described as ted the tedian. I give him 2 points for style for not hyjacking some other overused cliche.
AKK
Weird -- I seem physically unable to entirely read your posts; it's like I read the first line or so, and then my eyes slide down the page like a greased monkey at a strip club.
Maybe you should take some pointers from LHX.
his posts
have a lot of carriage
returns.
Quote from: LMNO on March 26, 2007, 12:57:48 PM
Weird -- I seem physically unable to entirely read your posts; it's like I read the first line or so, and then my eyes slide down the page like a greased monkey at a strip club.
Maybe you should take some pointers from LHX.
returns.
I get the point but I don't quite understand the metaphor... even still, I like the imagery.
Improving the "Optical Ergonomics" of forum posts is on my agenda.
I'm practicing at it. In time I'll get a good handle on it and it will soon then after become old hat.
Poop. hehe.
It aint like proper english
More freeform - upgraded language
Optimised 4 internets
also try to get into the habit of
- reading back what you just wrote before hitting the POST button.
- then deleting everything that's superfluous, be bold!
- then editing for clarity
- then taking one big last look and think hard and decide whether it's really necessary to make this post, if not, just press F5 or navigate away, don't post
seriously, the best way to write intelligent stuff not come across as a total moron is to know when NOT to post
Quote from: triple zero on March 26, 2007, 05:19:50 PM
seriously, the best way to write intelligent stuff not come across as a total moron is to know when NOT to post
It's ok if you don't find my posts stimulating. I'm ok with that. I'm not concerned if people think I'm a moron. I know where I stand and why.
Truth is, sometimes I am a moron. So are you, so is he, so is she.. etc.
Not every post will be classic gold in your, my or anyone else's eyes.
Try critiqueing in a less subjective fashion for better results from me and I will do what I can to accomodate that. Use less "that's not funny", "I don't like that.", "that is stupid." etc. and try pointing to specific things you feel would improve a post and offering potential sollutions.
I see some of that in your post, but there is also a bit of the former in there too.
I a good critique example would be what LHX threw at me somewhere which said something to the effect of:
"it makes my eyes sore to look at your shit
Put in more line breaks
line breaks R teh gooding..."
or something like that...
also, approaching with handshakes over fists is also a good tactic to make your audience see the light.
:tinfoilhat:
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 26, 2007, 05:53:09 PM
It's ok if you don't find my posts stimulating. I'm ok with that. I'm not concerned if people think I'm a moron. I know where I stand and why.
I'm beginning to think you're doing this out of malice.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 26, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 26, 2007, 05:53:09 PM
It's ok if you don't find my posts stimulating. I'm ok with that. I'm not concerned if people think I'm a moron. I know where I stand and why.
I'm beginning to think you're doing this out of malice.
Is there another reason?
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 26, 2007, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 26, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 26, 2007, 05:53:09 PM
It's ok if you don't find my posts stimulating. I'm ok with that. I'm not concerned if people think I'm a moron. I know where I stand and why.
I'm beginning to think you're doing this out of malice.
Is there another reason?
Okay. That's all I needed to know.