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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: AFK on January 15, 2007, 07:18:11 PM

Title: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 15, 2007, 07:18:11 PM
We spend a lot of time here in the BIP section analyzing, dissecting, constructing, deconstructing, etc., etc.

Here's where we can share.

I've often thought about, and have written about, how society tends to teach and guide us along to achieve The Dream, The American Dream if you live in the states.  The perfect scenario where you have the house, the family, the job with the promotion, the cars, the house in Florida to retire to, etc., etc.

Now, I would assume that a majority of us, if not all of us, have "dreams" that are quite unlike the fairy tale ones contrived by "those-in-the-know". 

What is your dream? 

I'll admit I share a couple of The American Dream ideals.  Namely, the house and the family, but on a very basic level.  Where I would differ is in how I raise my children.  I want to raise my children, not to be mindless, financially successful patriots.  Instead, I would hope to be able to raise them in a way where they can guard their creativity, their imagination, their zeal for exploration, and the ability to visualize their own conceptions of their dreams. 

I hope to be able to always exchange ideas, philosophies, and more with people willing to entertain "silly" notions and "psychotic" possibilities. 

I hope to be able to, with my family, survive any turmoils that are in our future.  As the world becomes increasingly hostile with each other, and as the Earth, seemingly, becomes more hostile with its inhabitants.  To continue to be armed with ourselves and each other.  To be able to exist as ourselves, as much as possible living within the confines of our Prison and The Machine. 

And to know, at the end, if afforded the luxury and time of hindsight, that I gave it my best shot. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 15, 2007, 07:22:27 PM
My dream is to spawn a new race of super-genius robots that will spread across the stars and elevate mankind to the next level on a wave of neophiliac expansionism.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 15, 2007, 07:28:35 PM
Zombies mainly. They've usually cornered a bunch of unfeasably good looking nymphomaniacs in a building somewhere and I've got a chainsaw and pocketful of viagra.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: faust on January 15, 2007, 07:39:35 PM
I wanted to replace god from age six, gave up on that at twelve.
I used to be pretty happy when I was with my girlfriend and my dream was to be able to take care of her and others. she dumped me nearly a year ago and I guess I have had no ambition since then, might aim for world domination and settle along the way, but my hearts not in it any more.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 07:44:55 PM
Paleontology
...
but they already got my dreams... so id say live with my gf and compose and record music...
gotta have a dreams
take a man's dreams and you control him for life
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Cain on January 15, 2007, 07:53:12 PM
Hit the road and travel.  Anywhere...back to South America, central Asia, Indonesia/Polynesia, the Carribean...
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: faust on January 15, 2007, 08:02:14 PM
I was going to this summer, was actually going to ask people here If I could crash at their places and just go a bunch of places... if people would have me, If you are going east it will cost you a fortune depending on the spot but I would say its worth it.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
Aquatic entomology. I'd love to do research and teach at a uni someday. And play classical guitar on the side. Hell, if Im good enough in ten years, I would love to skip on academics and just play guitar to get myself by.

Aside from that, I could see myself living somewhere near Felix and LG. I'd love to be a part of their family.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 08:43:29 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 15, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
And play classical guitar on the side.

you play?
thats what i got my degree in
I teach on the side, unfortunately there isn't enough demand of it in this city to make it my main job
Phil Candelaria was my teacher - his rep probably doesn't extend into the States that much - despite the fact he is a born american
also studied piano under Dr. Charlene Biggs (well more her underlings - i wasnt that good)
if you need help with anything dont be afraid to ask
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Cain on January 15, 2007, 08:48:20 PM
Candelaria sounds familiar to me....but I know a guy who is really, REALLY into classical guitar players and I tend to switch off once he starts talking, so I may have heard that there.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 15, 2007, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 15, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
Aquatic entomology. I'd love to do research and teach at a uni someday. And play classical guitar on the side. Hell, if Im good enough in ten years, I would love to skip on academics and just play guitar to get myself by.

Aside from that, I could see myself living somewhere near Felix and LG. I'd love to be a part of their family.

You could be the classical guitar entomologist.  Seriously.

A buddy of mine is a Chiropractor (sp?) and has a rock band on the side.  Unfortunately, he's set up shop in a little corner in the middle of Nowhere, Maine, but at least he's gained a good following in the local community. 

Or, you could probably combine the two and start a kids show on bugs.  (that's what entomologists study right?, I never had any of those classes in my science degree)
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 15, 2007, 08:48:20 PM
Candelaria sounds familiar to me....but I know a guy who is really, REALLY into classical guitar players and I tend to switch off once he starts talking, so I may have heard that there.

he was the first North American to win the Bartoli International Guitar Competition, which may not sound like much...
but in the Classical Guitar world thats like becoming Miss Universe
He was also one of the first Guitar Majors under Aaron Shearer. Shearer pretty much invented modern guitar teaching methods

http://www.candelaria.ca/bio.htm

He's a exceptionally, brutaly honest profectionist. In my 3 and half years under him I only heard him say something encouraging to a student twice. Once to my friend, describing his "award-winning" performance as "pretty good."
and to me during a lesson he actualy said (word for word) "You know you have one of the nicest tone and voicing I've heard in a long time. Too bad you can't do anything else right."
:lol:
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 08:43:29 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 15, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
And play classical guitar on the side.

you play?
thats what i got my degree in
I teach on the side, unfortunately there isn't enough demand of it in this city to make it my main job
Phil Candelaria was my teacher - his rep probably doesn't extend into the States that much - despite the fact he is a born american
also studied piano under Dr. Charlene Biggs (well more her underlings - i wasnt that good)
if you need help with anything dont be afraid to ask

Ohfuck. I've been looking for a good classical guitar teacher for years. What can I say?

I guess I could start with specifics. I've been playing guitar for 11 years, since my tenth birthday. I started on acoustic, took lessons for 7 years or so, but I hated the music they were teaching. about 5 or 6 years ago I found a classical guitar in a dumpster in the middle of january, and I've been playing classical since. I self taught myself technique, so I have lots of bad habits which I have to break myself of (first of which was keeping the palm of my hand away from the neck; man was that a bitch to unlearn). I would call myself an intermediate player, except I've never been evaluated by a teacher to see how I am doing. My worst trouble is memorizing pieces. From all these years of playing I've become so depended upon having the music infront of me to play that I learned to scan sight-read (my eyes don't even see the notes after a while, just the patterns in the music). It makes it hard as hell to memorize because I can never remember what comes next. I really have only two pieces memorized (Romanza, the anonymous piece that Yepes rewrote for that movie; and an Allegretto by Aguado); I have been trying to memorize Canarios, but I've had a hell of a time. Plus, I never learned the names of the notes (you know, all that important stuff about note naming and scales and all the stuff you are supposed to learn first). The lesson book I am using is Isaias Savio's book of exercises on technique and velocity.

I enjoy listening to and playing any classical guitar music, all the way from pre-baroque to modern. My favorite guitarists are Andrew York and Narciso Yepes. I would welcome any assistance you could give...
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 15, 2007, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 15, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
Aquatic entomology. I'd love to do research and teach at a uni someday. And play classical guitar on the side. Hell, if Im good enough in ten years, I would love to skip on academics and just play guitar to get myself by.

Aside from that, I could see myself living somewhere near Felix and LG. I'd love to be a part of their family.

You could be the classical guitar entomologist.  Seriously.

A buddy of mine is a Chiropractor (sp?) and has a rock band on the side.  Unfortunately, he's set up shop in a little corner in the middle of Nowhere, Maine, but at least he's gained a good following in the local community. 

Or, you could probably combine the two and start a kids show on bugs.  (that's what entomologists study right?, I never had any of those classes in my science degree)

Oh, I know I'll always do guitar on the side. And I hate kids, so that prolly won't be an option for me.  :lulz: I don't really care if I never make any money from it, I do it because I love it.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 15, 2007, 09:18:40 PM
I hear you.  When I get a little more time, hopefully this summer, I want to get a band started up to get some of my songs out.  Not to land a record deal or anything, just to get out and play.  I miss performing, it's been far too long since the last time I performed anywhere. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 15, 2007, 09:18:40 PM
I hear you.  When I get a little more time, hopefully this summer, I want to get a band started up to get some of my songs out.  Not to land a record deal or anything, just to get out and play.  I miss performing, it's been far too long since the last time I performed anywhere. 


Hopefully sometime in the next few years my Uncle will let me use his recording studio to put some stuff on cd, at least. It would be nice.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Mangrove on January 15, 2007, 09:31:22 PM
my dream has (for a long time) been that i must earn my $$s from my own skills rather than working for someone else.

for a long time, i didn't know exactly how i would do that. it was just a 'sense' that i should be my own niche as it were. i played around with writing (published a few scraps) and music (got nowhere).

however, right now i am close because my business will be up and running soon. i'll be running what i've been referring to as 'mangrove's insititute for soft-tissue dysfunction'.

so i'm here in the US with mrs mang' and will be living from my bodywork skills. i'm pretty happy about that. mrs mang' has a regular job but is bolstering that up with her painting.  if it gets big enough, she might can her job and just paint.

our goal is to create & maintain a good standard of living. neither of us are especially interested in material acquisitions. she works for financial planners and they are stupidly rich, but constantly stressed about staying that way. i'd rather know that i've got enough cash to pay for a good dentist or make the house more energy efficient than buy a Hummer or a gigantic plasma tv. we want to be able to live comfortably and simply. neither of us want anything extravagant.

on a personal level i want to be able to travel to the UK on a regular basis because of my family.  i'd love to be able to visit japan and egypt. i'll keeping working on SSOOKN projects and keep expanding the archives.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:31:29 PM
BMW
I had a ton of problems memorizing myself, untill I adopted this method (admittingly I havn't preformed a memorize piece in over a year)
1) I clap out the rythm of the song, usually taking it in sections if its a longer piece
2) I go through the complete song, marking my fignering, both right and left... make sure everything is how I should learn it. All the dynamics. In otherwords I mark the shit out of my score. If i can't mark the score I make a photocopy of it.
When I was in school I would usually get a second opinion on this as well, as sometimes others can see a fingering that is more practical.
I make sure everything is "confortable" before I procede
3) Then I start at the END of the song. If its a 65 barre song I learn barre 65. Play forwards then backwards, forwards then backwards (Im generalizing in barres here, sometimes I would learn two barres at once, or three depending on the song)
4) Then go back a barre - so barre 64, Play forwards and backwards, forwards and backwards
5) Then I go to the middle of the first of the two barres I learned and play that forward to the middle of the second. So the middle of 64 to the middle of 65. This way Im reinforcing the transition between the two barres
6) continue working backwards till I get a full phrase, in which I play forwards several times, paying attention to dynamics and voicing, ect.
7) Learn to the beginning in this manor
I find that learning a song backwards builds confidence, cause rather then going from something I know very well and playing towards something I know less Im always going towards something I know better
Learning like this is not for everyong and you have make sure you do steps one and two very well, cause its hard to change fingering if you already developed the bad habits
make sure you know EVERYTHING you can about the song before you memorize it. Where it's going to peak, how the dynamics are going to flow, ect.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:35:05 PM
oh another little hint when learning yourself
buy children's books
in Classical Guitar children books are far better organized and procede a much deaper level then ones made for adults
This goes for a lot of instuments actually
Adult books tend to jump over some VERY Important information, which maybe just too simple for them to add
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:31:29 PM
BMW
I had a ton of problems memorizing myself, untill I adopted this method (admittingly I havn't preformed a memorize piece in over a year)
1) I clap out the rythm of the song, usually taking it in sections if its a longer piece
2) I go through the complete song, marking my fignering, both right and left... make sure everything is how I should learn it. All the dynamics. In otherwords I mark the shit out of my score. If i can't mark the score I make a photocopy of it.
When I was in school I would usually get a second opinion on this as well, as sometimes others can see a fingering that is more practical.
I make sure everything is "confortable" before I procede
3) Then I start at the END of the song. If its a 65 barre song I learn barre 65. Play forwards then backwards, forwards then backwards (Im generalizing in barres here, sometimes I would learn two barres at once, or three depending on the song)
4) Then go back a barre - so barre 64, Play forwards and backwards, forwards and backwards
5) Then I go to the middle of the first of the two barres I learned and play that forward to the middle of the second. So the middle of 64 to the middle of 65. This way Im reinforcing the transition between the two barres
6) continue working backwards till I get a full phrase, in which I play forwards several times, paying attention to dynamics and voicing, ect.
7) Learn to the beginning in this manor
I find that learning a song backwards builds confidence, cause rather then going from something I know very well and playing towards something I know less Im always going towards something I know better
Learning like this is not for everyong and you have make sure you do steps one and two very well, cause its hard to change fingering if you already developed the bad habits
make sure you know EVERYTHING you can about the song before you memorize it. Where it's going to peak, how the dynamics are going to flow, ect.

Okay, two questions:

1. When you say forward and backwards, do you actually mean that you play the succession of notes backwards? Like if you had a string of eighths, you would actually play that string of eighths from the end of the measure to the begining of the mesure?

2. How exactly do you mark your fingering? Do you mark it differently for each hand? (I already circle all the sharps and flats in a piece I am learning.)
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:35:05 PM
oh another little hint when learning yourself
buy children's books
in Classical Guitar children books are far better organized and procede a much deaper level then ones made for adults
This goes for a lot of instuments actually
Adult books tend to jump over some VERY Important information, which maybe just too simple for them to add

You mean, like the suzuki series?
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:55:38 PM
1. forwards, backwards means you play the notes of the barre from the first note to the last note, then the last note to the first note. Yes, Backwards. For some reason the brain can pick up patterns very well, both forwards and backwards. So by playing in reverse your reinforcing what you already learned forward.

2. Right hand is usually marked under the barre - T - thumb, I - index , M -middle, A - ect. Try not to repeat a finger, as will slow you down, Try not to go M to I up a string, or A to M, go I to M or M to A, as that is more confortable
Left hand usually is above the notes 1 - index 2 - middle - 3 - ect. 4 - pinky
large numbers in circles are the postions - 1st, possition, 2nd, ect.
Wendsday Ill probably have some time to go over my notes and books to recomend, or find some online resources for you

3) I haven't actually seen the suzuki books, but heard rave reviews. Its almost like a different form of teaching all together, but since i know very little about it, I can't comment on it.
I find the Aaron Shearer series very good. Its not a childrens book really and the songs he gets you to play are beyond boring, but the way it explains techniques, and fingering, and how to mark fingering is possibly one of the best ways I know of
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 09:55:38 PM
1. forwards, backwards means you play the notes of the barre from the first note to the last note, then the last note to the first note. Yes, Backwards. For some reason the brain can pick up patterns very well, both forwards and backwards. So by playing in reverse your reinforcing what you already learned forward.

2. Right hand is usually marked under the barre - T - thumb, I - index , M -middle, A - ect. Try not to repeat a finger, as will slow you down, Try not to go M to I up a string, or A to M, go I to M or M to A, as that is more confortable
Left hand usually is above the notes 1 - index 2 - middle - 3 - ect. 4 - pinky
large numbers in circles are the postions - 1st, possition, 2nd, ect.
Wendsday Ill probably have some time to go over my notes and books to recomend, or find some online resources for you

3) I haven't actually seen the suzuki books, but heard rave reviews. Its almost like a different form of teaching all together, but since i know very little about it, I can't comment on it.
I find the Aaron Shearer series very good. Its not a childrens book really and the songs he gets you to play are beyond boring, but the way it explains techniques, and fingering, and how to mark fingering is possibly one of the best ways I know of

1. Okay, I get ya. I'll try it.

2. and I'll try that too. And I'll put position in too, although for the most part I didn't learn positions. I just kinda try stuff in first position, and if it doesn't work, I try it in a different one. I can only sight read first position. And I've read just about everything there is to read online about technique. I really like this one tablature website that I found, just google classical guitar tablature for it. And I have lots of books. If you bring up a well known classical guitar piece, I prolly have it, or have at least heard of it.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 16, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
im gonna miss yall when we are done overthrowing Teh Machine





(tears accumulating ITT)
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 16, 2007, 12:57:16 AM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
im gonna miss yall when we are done overthrowing Teh Machine





(tears accumulating ITT)

Wait...you can actually do that?
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 16, 2007, 01:10:34 AM
what?

cry?
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2007, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
im gonna miss yall when we are done overthrowing Teh Machine





(tears accumulating ITT)

Oh you haven't heard, Verthaine says there is a big party being planned in the Afterlife.  Perhaps there will be rewards afterall.   :-D
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Mangrove on January 16, 2007, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 16, 2007, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
im gonna miss yall when we are done overthrowing Teh Machine





(tears accumulating ITT)

Oh you haven't heard, Verthaine says there is a big party being planned in the Afterlife.  Perhaps there will be rewards afterall.   :-D

Verthaine is multi-dimensional, so it'll be like attending 100 different parties at the same time   :wink:
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 16, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
i mean after the afterlife party

the after-after-party

after
the laughter

(rhymes)
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: B_M_W on January 16, 2007, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 01:10:34 AM
what?

cry?

No, overthrow the machine.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2007, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
i mean after the afterlife party

the after-after-party

after
the laughter

(rhymes)


that should be in a song
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 16, 2007, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 16, 2007, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 16, 2007, 01:10:34 AM
what?

cry?


No, overthrow the machine.

naw
i wouldnt want to do something so cruel
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 16, 2007, 05:40:44 PM
*Smirks*

I think, to clarify, that LHX is implying that it will overthrow itself or become something we like after we kick it enough.

At least, that's what I'd have meant.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2007, 05:56:56 PM
Or, perhaps, is Rest In Peace, our final defeat of The Machine?, on a personal level that is. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 16, 2007, 06:02:32 PM
I thought that was the BIP.¬† You're confusing my metaphor library!  :x
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2007, 06:09:50 PM
Not from my perspective.  To me, the only way to truly beat the Machine, for good, is ceasing to be.  The Machine, it would seem, can't control you in death.  However, it can control you in the Prison.  I know even though I recognize it I still fall prey to it. 
Maybe we need a BIP confessional or something. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 16, 2007, 06:15:32 PM
No thank you.  RIP means Rot In Prison, to anyone asking me.  The machine can't control you personally in death, but WHO SAYS YOU CAN?  The machine buries you and charges your family money, sort of as a final fuck you.  No, The Machine doesn't need you alive.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2007, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 16, 2007, 06:15:32 PM
No thank you.  RIP means Rot In Prison, to anyone asking me.  The machine can't control you personally in death, but WHO SAYS YOU CAN?  The machine buries you and charges your family money, sort of as a final fuck you.  No, The Machine doesn't need you alive.

I make no claim to control in the afterlife, if it exists.  But, being out of The Machine's control, personally, is still a victory in my eyes.  A final reward.  And as long as I take care of business, which I have to this point, my family will be fine. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2007, 07:14:43 PM
[Icky train of thought]

Imagine you die and there's an afterlife and there's the machine, again, still.

[/Icky train of thought]
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LMNO on January 16, 2007, 07:15:47 PM
Now that's a punchline.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 16, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
It'd get unfunny after the third time.

And I mean very unfunny.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LMNO on January 16, 2007, 07:42:41 PM
Cf: Cosmic giggle.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 16, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Huh?  Cf?
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LMNO on January 16, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
"Cf:" = "Cross Reference".
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jenne on January 16, 2007, 08:31:00 PM
My dream...jeez, been a long time since I was able to come to terms with even having one.  Too much shit going down that I was just able to survive...let alone dream about.

I guess just to be happy and have no regrets.  Try to learn to accept what's inevitable and not piss away the stuff that's and the people who are worth keeping.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 16, 2007, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 16, 2007, 07:14:43 PM
[Icky train of thought]

Imagine you die and there's an afterlife and there's the machine, again, still.

[/Icky train of thought]

kinda emphasizes the need to look after it now --
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: Jasper on January 17, 2007, 03:29:43 AM
Quote from: LMNO on January 16, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
"Cf:" = "Cross Reference".

You insist that the universe has a bent for maltreating it's sentients?  Mind, we're still assuming reincarnation happens at all in this particular "punch line".  What if there is no correct belief but that which you personally hold, and the power of conviction is the true benefit of any belief system?
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LMNO on January 17, 2007, 12:55:22 PM
I think you're reading more into what I wrote than was intended.

Silly asked what if, if there was an afterlife, if the Machine,Ñ¢ (which is itself a metaphor) still existed?

I linked this up with the Cosmic Giggle, and mentioned that it would be a hell of a punchline.  Because, no one ever said that we had to either A) be in on the joke, or B) think it was funny.



I'm not saying I believe that, I'm just making a suggestion.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: AFK on January 17, 2007, 01:44:06 PM
Honestly whether or not there is an afterlife doesn't concern me so much.  Like LHX said, just taking care of the now is the important bit.  I won't fret too much over what I will have no control over.  Of course, my Christian parents would argue otherwise. 
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 17, 2007, 02:07:12 PM
a new map to navigate --

a new set of tools to learn how to use --


when you take a look at what the possible differences could be in the 'afterlife', there doesnt seem to be much cause for concern - except for the uncomfortable transition phase


lessons are lessons

there is only one everything
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 17, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 02:07:12 PM

except for the uncomfortable transition phase


I've always maintained that I have no fear of death. It's a slow painful leadup that bothers me. Hope it's nice, quick and, ideally, spectacular when it comes.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 17, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 17, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 02:07:12 PM

except for the uncomfortable transition phase


I've always maintained that I have no fear of death. It's a slow painful leadup that bothers me. Hope it's nice, quick and, ideally, spectacular when it comes.
sounds like you have identified what it is you will have to face...

i know what you mean


im a big fan of the 'tear the bandage off' approach to things
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 17, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 17, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 02:07:12 PM

except for the uncomfortable transition phase


I've always maintained that I have no fear of death. It's a slow painful leadup that bothers me. Hope it's nice, quick and, ideally, spectacular when it comes.

sounds like you have identified what it is you will have to face...


I reckon cancer. I've probably as good as ensured it by now. Although I wouldn't rule out drowning, I sorta court that one constantly. If it's terminal cancer I'd really like to blow myself up, right at the end. Not in a terrorist way, more along the lines of a fireworks display.
Title: Re: What is your Dream?
Post by: LHX on January 17, 2007, 03:59:18 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 17, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 17, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 17, 2007, 02:07:12 PM

except for the uncomfortable transition phase


I've always maintained that I have no fear of death. It's a slow painful leadup that bothers me. Hope it's nice, quick and, ideally, spectacular when it comes.

sounds like you have identified what it is you will have to face...


I reckon cancer. I've probably as good as ensured it by now. Although I wouldn't rule out drowning, I sorta court that one constantly. If it's terminal cancer I'd really like to blow myself up, right at the end. Not in a terrorist way, more along the lines of a fireworks display.
youre prolly gonna have to learn how to battle it

battle cancer while drowning


after you accomplish that, then its smooth sailing