Gallows or otherwise.
Silly made a point in the n00b/BIP is all about (fill in this blank) that I think is a pretty good one.
The "old" PD had humor, used a lighter touch rather than the constant barstool to the noggin that the BIP does. (I stated that strongly, forgive me the hyperbole)
What, if anything, can be contributed to "lighten the load"? I like the idea of inserting the absurd.
Any takers? Discussion?
I have some stuff I had come up with that got lost when BIP:The Forum crashed. I think I still have it home on paper though, I'll post it here on Monday.
What's "paper"?
Good on ya.  I'm going to work on some stuff myself.  I think I'll use the BIP to get through some of my own personal shit (catharsis, anyone?), since depressive, angry shit can really only get you so far, yannknow?
Believe it or not I actually write out my rants on paper before I enter them here.  I don't know why but the physical action of writing with a pen seems to help with the flow of things better than fingers on a keyboard.  The only downfall, I have HORRIBLE penmanship.  
After several years of schooling, I have to admit that my hand cramps up after a mere ten minutes of concentrated writing.
:( Something I discovered while handwriting letters to my dad in prison.
(see my theme building?) bwahahaha
Okay, I need to know upfront. Am I going to be tarred and feathered if I post puns?
No, they'd probably be effective for one-liners we can sprinkle throughout.
Think of it like the one-sentence meme-bombs.
A bad pun can be twisted and used effectively. Everything is fodder for the gristmill.
And this isn't new territory...just restatement of the obvious for quick reference.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 26, 2007, 07:00:20 PM
Believe it or not I actually write out my rants on paper before I enter them here.  I don't know why but the physical action of writing with a pen seems to help with the flow of things better than fingers on a keyboard.  The only downfall, I have HORRIBLE penmanship.  
likewise. all my SSOOKN essays were on paper first and not the prettiest to look at.
and i love really desperately crap puns as they're great for tormenting mrs mang' with. so by all means, go for the puns.
Cool! I'll test them out on my wife this weekend. The ones with the loudest groans will end up here. The puns, you sick freaks!
And no, there will not be any pictures.
Then it didn't happen.
QED.
I'm going to do a funny parable, I think.
I had something fleshed out, but it fell apart because I couldn't see the point and couldn't get it to work. I asked for suggestions, but no one had any good ideas.
So I'll rework it.
Also, there was an idea for the third, which was Mystical/Religious, where stories/visions/holy texts to Eris would be collected, like my Vision of the Holy Boilermaker, Cain's Vengeful Testament, etc.
Daniel did a great one of Moses' Left Nut. That was pretty brilliant, I thought.
Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 07:15:49 PM
Then it didn't happen.
QED.
how about some bad Wordpaint art?
ha!  ever seen nataliedee.com ?  I mean, her humor isn't for everyone...but badly and crudely drawn shit is funny as ever, I think.
(it's where my avatar came from)
Dee is funny if I'm in a goofy idiot mood, but it's still just dada.
The married to the sea stuff is like that too, but that's fine. Sometimes dada makes the world go by that much easier.
My aesthetic waxes cynical when I'm achey and sleepy.
just saying: the parable of the sacred bull should be in lollercaust. i think we already agreed on that at the old BIP forum.
and now, a PUN
uhhm black iron prison.. hm.. "iron" is an anagram of "noir", french for black. but that's for the SSOOKN to solve.
ok try again ..
umm.. didya hear about the dyslectic discordian? he never got enlightened because all he saw was fronds.
Wow.
Maybe this isn't such a good idea, after all...
Quote from: triple zero on January 26, 2007, 08:38:40 PM
umm.. didya hear about the dyslectic discordian? he never got enlightened because all he saw was fronds.
Jesus H Christ that sucked!
you must teach me oh master.
Quote from: triple zero on January 26, 2007, 08:38:40 PM
umm.. didya hear about the dyslectic discordian? he never got enlightened because all he saw was fronds.
:mittens: :mittens:
:mittens: :mittens:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 26, 2007, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: triple zero on January 26, 2007, 08:38:40 PM
umm.. didya hear about the dyslectic discordian? he never got enlightened because all he saw was fronds.
:mittens: :mittens:
:mittens: :mittens:
Teh mittens on the top look smaller!
::Mind-fucked!::
:thanks:
so this discordian, a furry and a wiccan walk into a bar .. says the discordian: "see that barstool over there? they say it consists of nothing but empty space, so this shouldn't hurt .. much."
(could use some work, that one)
Quote from: triple zero on January 26, 2007, 08:50:14 PM
so this discordian, a furry and a wiccan walk into a bar
Fixed
Somewhere, a child just died of starvation.
At the exact same moment, someone else paid $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Pretty funny, no?
LMNO
-hasn't really gotten the hang of this, yet.
Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 08:53:05 PMSomewhere, a child just died of starvation.
At the exact same moment, someone else paid $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Pretty funny, no?
LMNO
-hasn't really gotten the hang of this, yet.
maybe it would be more funny if you tell it with 23 children?
Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 08:53:05 PM
Somewhere, a child just died of starvation.
At the exact same moment, someone else paid $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Pretty funny, no?
LMNO
-hasn't really gotten the hang of this, yet.
Perhaps it just needs to percolate a bit more.
Oh, this is gonna get ugly.
Fortunately for you all I've run out of time. Be sure to check back on Monday as I'm sure to have some real quality material then. :-D
with a freezing icestorm outside two japanese tourists enter a bar looking very grumpy.
the barman asks, "what's wrong?" ,
they reply, "is all elis fault!",
the barman asks, "who's elis?",
the japanese answer, "two maniacs outside with tulkey dance say she is goddess of dis cold"
Puns and racist sterotypes?
Aces!
oh wait. racist stereotypes. sorry about that. you may scratch that from the record if it makes you feel better.
(but it's really true, japanese really mix up their Ls and Rs, just listen to Pizzicato Five singing Playboy Playgirl actually can also be heard as Prayboy Praygirr at the same time. kind of like a audio escher cube thingy)
but it wasn't meant as anything derogatory, the characters in my puns are all equally dumb, regardless of nationality.
next up: discordian blonde jokes!
Quote from: triple zero on January 26, 2007, 09:26:46 PM
oh wait. racist stereotypes. sorry about that. you may scratch that from the record if it makes you feel better.
(but it's really true, japanese really mix up their Ls and Rs, just listen to Pizzicato Five singing Playboy Playgirl actually can also be heard as Prayboy Praygirr at the same time. kind of like a audio escher cube thingy)
but it wasn't meant as anything derogatory, the characters in my puns are all equally dumb, regardless of nationality.
next up: discordian blonde jokes!
Did you hear about the discordian blonde that that worked out pi to 1027 decimal places, in her head?
She got the 472nd digit wrong!
000, I'm just busting on you. No worries.
000 is correct. i took japanese lessons for 2 years and our japanse teacher (who was japanese) was explaining that. she learned how to say an 'r' and 'l' in english.
ironically, she was trying to get us to make our r's sound like l's so we sounded more authentic.
and before anyone says it or even thinks it: i have absolutely NO interest in anime whatsoever. in fact, i really dislike it.
As your local ETS rep, yes, the Japanese would call it "rorrercaust" and "lofr" ...much fun could be had with that.
Tons of "what do you get when you cross Eris with a ____ ?  A _____." can be done, too.
Example:
What do you get when you cross Eris with George W. Bush?
Nothing. GW was too golden of an apple for the goddess to fuck with.
Quote from: Jenne on January 27, 2007, 03:24:18 AM
Tons of "what do you get when you cross Eris with a ____ ? A _____." can be done, too.
Example:
What do you get when you cross Eris with George W. Bush?
Nothing. GW was too golden of an apple for the goddess to fuck with.
:lulz:
:thanks:
I'll have to think of some more of those. They're easy and fun...easier than puns for me at least.
I had teh funnay a week ago, but I've spent most of it by now. Maybe after a day's stressful work I'll have it in me.
fact: http://www.marriedtothesea.com = jackpot.
(http://www.marriedtothesea.com/111406/REGAINING-HUMORS.gif)
Ok, parables = jokes or stories with a "moral" or lesson...nay?
And jokes = at the expense of someone else
Ok, I think I'm working too hard on this. I need to just scrap what I have and start over.
I'm reminded though of why I never try to do stuff like this...the pressure's too much for me and I fucking CAVE.
And once again, the Lollercoaster derails, killing innocent bystanders.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6369/tombstonefw8.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 12:45:37 PM
And once again, the Lollercoaster derails, killing innocent bystanders.
Why are you coding the patient when he still has a pulse?
*smells conspiracy against teh funnay*
I'd love nothing more than to have you prove me wrong.
How many BIPs does it take to change a lightbulb?
Why the fuck don't you just get a flashlight?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 30, 2007, 06:02:25 PM
How many BIPs does it take to change a lightbulb?
Metaphors can't change lightbulbs, you stupid fuck.
I wanted to work a barstool into it but I kept coming up empty.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 30, 2007, 06:02:25 PM
How many BIPs does it take to change a lightbulb?
You just stand there, and I'll show you, with this barstool.
See?! That's a start!
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4831/tombstonehs4.jpg)
W/e
:lol:
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 06:27:01 PM
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4831/tombstonehs4.jpg)
:lol:
Note to self: never bother to answer after Jenne, even if comments are not aimed at her.
Hey, I thought it was a legitimate thing that could be done for the BIP.
Fuck me, I was wrong.
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 06:27:01 PM
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4831/tombstonehs4.jpg)
I would've set the fucker on fire.
Cause you just know it'll come back.
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
Hey, I thought it was a legitimate thing that could be done for the BIP.
Fuck me, I was wrong.
Please do not insinuate a position I do not hold.
You can't kill the funny if it kills you first.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 30, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
You can't kill the funny if it kills you first.
Fuck.
I can't even get the funny to do that.
Remind me never to be an admin, here. It's like the kiss of death.
I already offered earlier work. Not my problem no-one takes an interest in it.
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
Hey, I thought it was a legitimate thing that could be done for the BIP.
Fuck me, I was wrong.
Well, you see, some people are okay for that sort of thing, and some people are just, well,
undesirables, I suppose.
For example, Cain has been giving you shit for a year. This is somehow okay.
I have been giving Bhode shit for about 2 months. This is somehow NOT okay.
I confess that I do not understand this phenomena either.
*shrug* good think I'm not here for CAIN, I guess. :D
But I see a lack of faith in this proposition, anyway. I'll dig the thread up when I do the parable. Otherwise, it can die a long sick death.
Actually, I've been expressly ignoring Jenne as much as possible for the last couple of months. Go on, look, see how often I have posted after her recently. You'll find maybe two or three posts.
If you're going to compare your actions to mine, at least use facts. I also not you didn't mention Jenne called me a liar, something she has also never retracted. And even then I have not hijacked her threads or followed her around in the way you have in Bhode.
I was willing to ignore her even in this thread until she decided to respond to me.
Hey, Cain, you're not a liar.
Sorry if I ever even INTIMATED you were one. Cuz you're not.
Long memories, ITT.
LMNO
-short memory.
Yeah. Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 06:59:21 PM
And even then I have not hijacked her threads or followed her around in the way you have in Bhode.
Hey, man, a promise is a promise.
TGRR,
Always keeps his word.
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:02:42 PM
Yeah.  Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
Oh, great. Now every noob is gonna be accused of being you. :lol:
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Long memories, ITT.
LMNO
-short memory.
Who, me?
TGRR,
Still pissed off about shit from 2003.
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:01:07 PM
Hey, Cain, you're not a liar.
Sorry if I ever even INTIMATED you were one. Cuz you're not.
Well, that took long enough.
Cain,
now wondering if he'll ever get the others at this rate.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2007, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Long memories, ITT.
LMNO
-short memory.
Who, me?
TGRR,
Still pissed off about shit from 2003.
He meant me, I believe. And I have a very long memory.
*ahem* I have no memory so I'm just going to post some possibly humorous shit I found while rummaging around the site.  
1)
If you thought the Principia was just a ha-ha, read it again.
If you think Discordianism is a good way to get chicks, go fuck yourself.
If you think The Good Reverend Roger is a sexy beast, you're probably right but don't forget your helmet.
If you think tatooing 23 on your arm is going to bring you good luck, you just got burned.
If you thought the Black Iron Prison was too harsh, then you're going to be just fine, no really.
If you thought I should've ended on the fifth one, consult yo mamma.
2)
If you hold perfectly still you can watch the praying mantra eat itself.
3)
It should be pointed out that the harder you try the sillier you will look and the less seriously you will be taken.
But, take things too seriously and you will feel quite silly when things get harder.
QuoteSomeone once asked me what the difference between what we are doing and the annoying Christian Missionairies and Jehovas Witnesses are doing.
I pondered this for a minute and then responded:
"Well, the Missionairies and JW's are trying to convert the weak minded and easily swayed. We, on the other hand, stay away from them. Two words: Human Shield"
None of this is taking into account what sort of humour you are looking for. Its moving from an abstract concept to fully fledged creation without anything in between.
What are we after here?
Witty one liners? Cartoons (no-one has even mentioned visual humour)? Dialogues? "Moral" stories with humour in them? Puns?
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:05:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2007, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Long memories, ITT.
LMNO
-short memory.
Who, me?
TGRR,
Still pissed off about shit from 2003.
He meant me, I believe.  And I have a very long memory.
Hell, I can't even remember which one of y'all used to be Christ RAW.
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:08:10 PM
None of this is taking into account what sort of humour you are looking for.  Its moving from an abstract concept to fully fledged creation without anything in between.
What are we after here?
Witty one liners? Cartoons (no-one has even mentioned visual humour)?  Dialogues?  "Moral" stories with humour in them?  Puns?
I'd say the more wet noodles we stick to the wall the better, so I'd say yes to all.
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:05:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2007, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Long memories, ITT.
LMNO
-short memory.
Who, me?
TGRR,
Still pissed off about shit from 2003.
He meant me, I believe.  And I have a very long memory.
Hell, I can't even remember which one of y'all used to be Christ RAW.
Hoopla, IIRC.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 30, 2007, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:08:10 PM
None of this is taking into account what sort of humour you are looking for. Its moving from an abstract concept to fully fledged creation without anything in between.
What are we after here?
Witty one liners? Cartoons (no-one has even mentioned visual humour)? Dialogues? "Moral" stories with humour in them? Puns?
I'd say the more wet noodles we stick to the wall the better, so I'd say yes to all.
In which case we need to seperate them up and get people good at those sort of things working on them. For example, I can't write moral stories for shit, but can usually pervert the dialogue into something fairly funny. And I can't draw.
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:02:42 PM
Yeah. Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
I missed this. Please do not try to morally shame me. It doesn't work, because I have no shame and I can see no other reason for you to keep doing this every time a harsh word from me ends up your way.
1. It has been suggested we need one-liners for marginalia in the BIP pamphlet.
2. It has also been suggested that a separate pamphlet of longer humor be produced.
Ok, there's an opening split.
Heh, opening split.
PS - The Janitor touches wee-wees.
Are you people writing a joke book?
Just let the knowledge flow. The comedy will be there.
If something funny comes out, yippy!
Just sayin' dont waste time writing comedy when you have a good philosophical message buried somewhere.
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2007, 07:17:58 PM
1.  It has been suggested we need one-liners for marginalia in the BIP pamphlet.
2.  It has also been suggested that a separate pamphlet of longer humor be produced.
Ok, there's an opening split.
time to mine the one sentence meme  bomb thread?
That's what I was thinking.
Best Idea.
When non-comedians try too hard it comes out hokey.
unless someone can write something genuinely funny (on purpose), a better approach for us is simply to make mental notes when something funny & appropriate arises from natural causes. then we can say "hey, that was funny - is it worthy of inclusion?"
or something like that. there's been some good stuff in the meme bomb threadd because it forced people to be concise.
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:02:42 PM
Yeah.  Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
I missed this.  Please do not try to morally shame me.  It doesn't work, because I have no shame and I can see no other reason for you to keep doing this every time a harsh word from me ends up your way.
*mumbles something about an implosion*
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2007, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:02:42 PM
Yeah. Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
I missed this. Please do not try to morally shame me. It doesn't work, because I have no shame and I can see no other reason for you to keep doing this every time a harsh word from me ends up your way.
*mumbles something about an implosion*
Get lost.
There, you trolled me. Happy now?
Yeah, I like all of those ideas. I particularly like graphics, because they grab attention and there aren't any in the current booklet.
Just to brainstorm a bit...
Like the Principia, there should be a number of different kinds of humor. Without too heavily recycling what's already been done, we might variate on some of those themes. I think they were effective in being funnay while having overtones which supported the message.
for example, the Letter To Jehovah... If we were to do this from a BIP point of view, we might address it to the Machine.
It might be interesting to make a big deal out of some historical figure, sort of like how Emperor Norton is a great poster-child for Discordia. Our saint's story could be a good narrative for escaping the BIP. We'd have to pick someone really hilarious though. Any ideas? Is anyone worthy of BIP sainthood?
Or that story about the guy who sits in the house waiting for enlightenment and the roof falls on him. Surely that idea could be suitably adapted for the BIP.
Or are these ideas too "been there done that"?
A bit, for my tatses.
But it's a good start. I like where that might go.
i think you have some good points there prof.
as for the meme bombs, DJ's "black sheep are still sheep" is definitely an award winner.
there are many others to look through of course, but i think everyone really gravitated to that particular line.
I posted a bounch of the better ones on a website somewhere
dont remember which one
im taking off to work right now
ill look for em when i get back
Quote from: Mangrove on January 30, 2007, 07:32:37 PM
unless someone can write something genuinely funny (on purpose), a better approach for us is simply to make mental notes when something funny & appropriate arises from natural causes. then we can say "hey, that was funny - is it worthy of inclusion?"
or something like that. there's been some good stuff in the meme bomb threadd because it forced people to be concise.
correct barstool motorcycle. forced funny is hard to do. Which is why I always try to have a pen and paper handy. Unfortunately, I often come up with things in the shower or on the road.
how did the discordian become enlightened?
he took a barstool, got up on it, and changed the lightbulb.
hrm. could use some work.
Cain said:
> What are we after here?
basically we made the BIP stuff cause we wanted to redo the original PD because the PD was considered pretty much outdated and anachronistic. but the PD has some (be it outdated) funny in it, while the BIP is dead serious. so we want to make new funny, but funny that is also deep. like the PD.
(fuck i sound like an idiot if i put it like that)
> Witty one liners?
why not?
> Cartoons (no-one has even mentioned visual humour)?
i can do cartoons. see for example my "barstool hits the priest and scientist alike" pic. that one was drawn in 5 minutes, i can actually do a bit better than that ;-)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/05136/double_barstool_action.png)
if someone got ideas for cool BIP/discordia style cartoons, i'm willing to give it a try.
to give a pointer on what i do best: my cartoon-art tends to go for simplicity, the barstool thingy above is actually already rather detailed for my personal tastes, so don't ask for complicated stuff. i'm good at getting the expressions right for "two persons talking to eachother"-type sketches though.
also i'm lazy so i prefer 1-panel gags over 4-panel strips, and am probably not going to do full-page cartoons unless the script is really awesome.
> Dialogues?
i loved the
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
bit at the start of PD
> "Moral" stories with humour in them?
parable of the sacred bull.
> Puns?
there can NEVER be enough puns!
---
and why does everybody think the guy waiting for enlightenment "shithead" story so funny???? it was imo one of the worse attempts for funnay in the PD. heh-heh "poopyhead" heh-heh.
ah well, tastes differ i guess.
Quote from: Cain on January 30, 2007, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 30, 2007, 07:02:42 PM
Yeah. Fuckit.
I'll be back anon.
I missed this. Please do not try to morally shame me. It doesn't work, because I have no shame and I can see no other reason for you to keep doing this every time a harsh word from me ends up your way.
Oh, ok. How's this for telling you what to do?
Fuck off.
Quote from: triple zero on January 30, 2007, 10:26:34 PM
how did the discordian become enlightened?
he took a barstool, got up on it, and changed the lightbulb.
hrm. could use some work.
Cain said:
> What are we after here?
basically we made the BIP stuff cause we wanted to redo the original PD because the PD was considered pretty much outdated and anachronistic. but the PD has some (be it outdated) funny in it, while the BIP is dead serious. so we want to make new funny, but funny that is also deep. like the PD.
(fuck i sound like an idiot if i put it like that)
> Witty one liners?
why not?
> Cartoons (no-one has even mentioned visual humour)?
i can do cartoons. see for example my "barstool hits the priest and scientist alike" pic. that one was drawn in 5 minutes, i can actually do a bit better than that ;-)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/05136/double_barstool_action.png)
if someone got ideas for cool BIP/discordia style cartoons, i'm willing to give it a try.
to give a pointer on what i do best: my cartoon-art tends to go for simplicity, the barstool thingy above is actually already rather detailed for my personal tastes, so don't ask for complicated stuff. i'm good at getting the expressions right for "two persons talking to eachother"-type sketches though.
also i'm lazy so i prefer 1-panel gags over 4-panel strips, and am probably not going to do full-page cartoons unless the script is really awesome.
> Dialogues?
i loved the
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
bit at the start of PD
> "Moral" stories with humour in them?
parable of the sacred bull.
> Puns?
there can NEVER be enough puns!
---
and why does everybody think the guy waiting for enlightenment "shithead" story so funny???? it was imo one of the worse attempts for funnay in the PD. heh-heh "poopyhead" heh-heh.
ah well, tastes differ i guess.
000, I like where you are heading, and RWHN's hypothesis that the more the better is also what I was thinking when I made this thread.
Humor is not a homogenous phenomenon. It grabs people from all sides--visual, aural, oral, etc. It also tends to be culturo-specific.
So, here's the thing, if an international group of asshats can agree to what is "funny," then that's a damned good start. So, if everyone puts up their stuff, and people critique, I think that's a good start.
Saying you're "forcing teh funnay" when you are asking for jokes is a misnomer. Everyone has a funny bone--even the most serious of every group has one--you just have to be able to tap into it.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on January 30, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
Yeah, I like all of those ideas. I particularly like graphics, because they grab attention and there aren't any in the current booklet.
Just to brainstorm a bit...
Like the Principia, there should be a number of different kinds of humor. Without too heavily recycling what's already been done, we might variate on some of those themes. I think they were effective in being funnay while having overtones which supported the message.
for example, the Letter To Jehovah... If we were to do this from a BIP point of view, we might address it to the Machine.
It might be interesting to make a big deal out of some historical figure, sort of like how Emperor Norton is a great poster-child for Discordia. Our saint's story could be a good narrative for escaping the BIP. We'd have to pick someone really hilarious though. Any ideas? Is anyone worthy of BIP sainthood?
Or that story about the guy who sits in the house waiting for enlightenment and the roof falls on him. Surely that idea could be suitably adapted for the BIP.
Or are these ideas too "been there done that"?
I also like where this is going, it's sort of what I was thinking with parables that take a more ha-ha/weird! aspect to the lesson.
I guess if you instead look at storytelling with twists (like how some of the "olde" fables of Brothers Grimm ended, not their Disneyana'd bastardizations), then you'd really get somewhere.
They'd need modern a modern if not focus at least flavor to them...yet stay within the realm of longevity.
Like the following story (shooting from the hip, so forgive the rough delivery):
A man walked into a brothel
He asked the madame to get him a young, fresh filly
He explained that the doctor had given him 6 mos to live.
So, the madame checked behind the counter
Found a pink whistle and blew
Immediately, 5 women came running
Each with a scarf covering all but her eyes.
"WTF is this?" he asked, trying to peak at the women's faces
"Nuh-uh-uh!" said the madame, as the women stepped back
"that's extra! Pay first, then we'll discuss seeing the face!"
"I don't think so--if I'm paying for sex,
I'm going to see the bitch's face first!" the man yells.
"Bitch? You asked for horse!" the madam exclaimed.
"Tsk" she shakes her head and claps her hands,
Sending all the women back to where they came from.
Confusedly, the man watches as the madame pulls another whistle
this one blue with white spots.
She blows, and out come more women, on all fours.
"Here's your bitches. Choose one and let's get on with it!"
Moral of the story: When whistling for your bitch, be sure it's not a horse of a different color.Ok, that was completely off the cuff and needs lots of work, but you see my meaning? I'll work on this some more, or won't, I don't know yet. The "parable" I'm working on is also taking up a lot of my time. I think I made it too Biblical.
its nice try
but i dont think it particularly hit the mark
after reading it though I do see the appeal of the medium if we use one as sort of a "mindfuck" in a larger work, where the meat of our arguments come before and after
sorry if im not making perfect sense here
its been a loong tiresome day
Quote from: Jenne on January 31, 2007, 02:45:51 AM
Oh, ok. How's this for telling you what to do?
Fuck off.
Better, but hardly unexpected.
000,
Actually I like the barstool cartoon the way it is. Sometimes the best things come out in a quick fit of improvisation. However, I certainly would like to see more, different cartoons. I like your style.
As far as the shithead story I agree with you. My biggest problem with that one is that they pretty much gave the punchline away halfway through the story. Although, in fairness, since a lot of us grew up in the era of SNLesque toilet humor, we may have had a different reaction in the 60s.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 31, 2007, 05:00:47 AM
its nice try
but i dont think it particularly hit the mark
after reading it though I do see the appeal of the medium if we use one as sort of a "mindfuck" in a larger work, where the meat of our arguments come before and after
sorry if im not making perfect sense here
its been a loong tiresome day
No, it didn't...that's my problem lately, I think. I'm inspired and then LOSE it, dammit.
It's not just that way with comedy, either. Expository ANYTHING I've got going right now sucks ass.
Ok, I need to rework a few things for this parable I keep talking about. I'm THIS close to just starting over.
Quote from: Jenne on January 31, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 31, 2007, 05:00:47 AM
its nice try
but i dont think it particularly hit the mark
after reading it though I do see the appeal of the medium if we use one as sort of a "mindfuck" in a larger work, where the meat of our arguments come before and after
sorry if im not making perfect sense here
its been a loong tiresome day
No, it didn't...that's my problem lately, I think.  I'm inspired and then LOSE it, dammit.
It's not just that way with comedy, either.   Expository ANYTHING I've got going right now sucks ass.
Ok, I need to rework a few things for this parable I keep talking about.  I'm THIS close to just starting over.
If something is not working sometimes the worse thing you could do is overthink the project
maybe take a step back.. of course sometimes starting over is actually a good thing as painful as it is
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 31, 2007, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 31, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 31, 2007, 05:00:47 AM
its nice try
but i dont think it particularly hit the mark
after reading it though I do see the appeal of the medium if we use one as sort of a "mindfuck" in a larger work, where the meat of our arguments come before and after
sorry if im not making perfect sense here
its been a loong tiresome day
No, it didn't...that's my problem lately, I think. I'm inspired and then LOSE it, dammit.
It's not just that way with comedy, either. Expository ANYTHING I've got going right now sucks ass.
Ok, I need to rework a few things for this parable I keep talking about. I'm THIS close to just starting over.
If something is not working sometimes the worse thing you could do is overthink the project
maybe take a step back.. of course sometimes starting over is actually a good thing as painful as it is
Thanks, TI. I think I might need to do that. Even my husband is asking me, "WTF is that for, anyway? It's making you bitchy!"
And it's true, I think I just overthought it.
Or you could try The Oblique Strategies (http://www.rtqe.net/ObliqueStrategies/)
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 31, 2007, 01:48:03 PM
000,
Actually I like the barstool cartoon the way it is. Sometimes the best things come out in a quick fit of improvisation. However, I certainly would like to see more, different cartoons. I like your style.
As far as the shithead story I agree with you. My biggest problem with that one is that they pretty much gave the punchline away halfway through the story. Although, in fairness, since a lot of us grew up in the era of SNLesque toilet humor, we may have had a different reaction in the 60s.
Dammit, I think this is my problem.  I'm sooo much better at writing when I'm just inspired and go for it.  Hmf.
Planning = no good here.
Quote from: LMNO on January 31, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Or you could try The Oblique Strategies (http://www.rtqe.net/ObliqueStrategies/)
Yeah, I tried surfing the net for inspiration and ended up just using the Bible. I was using a story about a farming family.
I think I'll scrap it. Or at least work on something else and come back to it/tweak it when I haven't worked on it for 3 hours every night.
Did you realize that was a clickable link?
I couldn't tell by your response.
http://www.thraeryn.org/strategies/draw.cgi
heh. sometimes when my inspiration completely runs dry, i use tarot cards for the same purpose.
i even wrote a little script like the above to do it for me:
http://sulkyknowledge.su.funpic.de/inspiration.html
(this url redirects you to a random tarot card every time you load it, use it as your browser homepage for instant esotericness for the start of your day!)
Quote from: LMNO on January 31, 2007, 05:06:58 PM
Did you realize that was a clickable link?
I couldn't tell by your response.
Yes, I took a look at it. I like the idea, I just can't pursue it while I'm working--but thanks for the suggestion!
Quote from: triple zero on January 31, 2007, 05:08:47 PM
http://www.thraeryn.org/strategies/draw.cgi
heh. sometimes when my inspiration completely runs dry, i use tarot cards for the same purpose.
i even wrote a little script like the above to do it for me:
http://sulkyknowledge.su.funpic.de/inspiration.html
(this url redirects you to a random tarot card every time you load it, use it as your browser homepage for instant esotericness for the start of your day!)
Ah! More fodder for the thinktank. Will peruse tonight...I'm not doing anything else BUT, I have a feeling.
You could also open it up for collaboration.
Give us the structure, and the obstacles for you, and we can throw ideas at your head.
Oof, too many good ideas. My damned insomnia is catching up to me.
Ok, let me look through this a bit today...I'll get back to you soon.
you ever think about moving backwards
like start with the moral
then how to display this..
then the set up
I find, in music at least, if im struggling with something I start at the end and work my way to the beginning
I should try that approach for the one I'm already working on for the farmer's family...hm...
Dammit. So, I get to writing extemporaneously...and all the stories (I tried 3), end up TRAGEDIES.
Every fucking one of them.
No humor--they all end up about death and destruction.
Sigh. Any ideas on this? And don't tell me to give up, because I'm not going to. This has become a personal mission--to blast through my own bullshit and write this piece of shit parable that's stuck somewhere between my two ears.
First, try to see the humor in tragedy.
Secondly, try to write a tragic story.
Third, all stories end in tragedy, eventually. Know when to stop the story.
I got so frustrated with the last two that when I saw where they were headed, I just scrapped them (i.e. stopped the direction they were going in and started over--I don't delete shit).
Sigh.
Ok, so I already know I need to look at the plotline and go, How can I make this silly/funny/humorous when it's turning out sad/pathetic/emo?
I even tried the "take an example from your own life" deal...turned out even more tragic. I think I'm depressed or something.
Unfortunately, you need to post your work, cuz I can't work wit hypotheticals at this point.
just turn the tragedy into something funny?
german word: schadenfreude (or dutch word: leedvermaak)
exaggerate.
take the guy who got the toilet full of shit on his head. that's a tragedy, in a realistic story he'd probably got a broken neck and be paralysed up to his head. tragedy! but, because it's about SHIT it's FUNNY ! :) :)
think about the old brothers Grimm fairytales, you put a witch in the oven, 3rd degree burns! tragedy! but no, this is a children's fairytale and the witch was EVIL (=morality) so it's FUNNY!
think about the barstool experiment, somebody gets beaten down with a barstool, that's pretty ugly, but since it's so over-the-top, it's FUNNY!
one important element of humour is exaggeration. by exaggerating the tragedy into the absurd, you make it funny. (if tarot is your thing, think about the picture on the ten of swords if that helps you). think about the anvil on wile E coyote's head. better yet, think about that first pilot episode of Road Runner, where you almost literally see wile E coyote starving to death, scraping the inside of an empty can to get the last non-existant bits out .. you almost feel sorry for him .. BUT IT'S FUNNY!
if this is not helping you much, maybe you can lift a tip of the veil about the sort of tragedy your parables are experiencing. and i'll help you figure it out. there's more tricks than exaggeration.
maybe an illustration will help:
I'M SAD                 LOL
\                            \
   :cry:                         :lulz:
see?
true true
Ok...will exaggerate and post in the next couple of days, and maybe you guys can help me out then.
Thanks!
yeah like what would it be like if Mel Brooks directed Schindler's List
Oh god...:lol:
Oy! You shoulda taken DIS rotten tooth, not my gold one!
It's been killin' me for days!
Oy! Those gas chambers get smellier every day!
/bad yiddish NYC accent
the one where jesus poltergeists PAYBACK TIME hitler and goes all genocidal?
Quote from: triple zero on February 01, 2007, 08:09:42 PM
the one where jesus poltergeists PAYBACK TIME hitler and goes all genocidal?
I think Baby Jesus al a Silly would be funnier for that...
well yes, it was a tasteless joke anyhow
IOW,
"We're all in prison!"
\
:argh!:
"You're all in prison!"
\
:lulz:
"You are too, nutbar!"
\
:|
"Allah will enslave you all into freedom!"
\
:hashishim:
"The free world will solve that anarchy!"
\
:nigel:
"It's all freedom, man!"
\
:hippie:
"STFU, hippy!"
\
:fuckoff:
Hee hee.
Nicely done!
Quote from: Benaclypse on February 02, 2007, 12:21:23 AM
IOW,
"We're all in prison!"
\
:argh!:
"You're all in prison!"
\
:lulz:
"You are too, nutbar!"
\
:|
"Allah will enslave you all into freedom!"
\
:hashishim:
"The free world will solve that anarchy!"
\
:nigel:
"It's all freedom, man!"
\
:hippie:
"STFU, hippy!"
\
:fuckoff:
11/10
from the book of emotes Ch1:V1
bump ba ba bump-bump
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 30, 2007, 10:26:34 PM
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/05136/double_barstool_action.png)
I still love this thing.
Well, lookie here...
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/trapped.png)
Ha! I'm always entertained and somewhat bemused by what that comic artist comes up with. That guy's so brilliant. I'd love to meet him.
I had a huge fight with my best friend about that comic. Not that exact one, but a different one. I didn't get it and thought it was super unfunny, and because of the usual brainiacality of it I assumed that I was missing a reference. She insisted that it was exactly what it seemed to be and there was no hidden layer of funny.
We never resolved it.
Can you remember what the main theme of the particular cartoon was?
Someone wanting to move to Portland?
:rimshot:
I kid, I kid.
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
I had a huge fight with my best friend about that comic. Not that exact one, but a different one. I didn't get it and thought it was super unfunny, and because of the usual brainiacality of it I assumed that I was missing a reference. She insisted that it was exactly what it seemed to be and there was no hidden layer of funny.
We never resolved it.
XKCD varies wildly from brilliant to incredibly stupid(relationship comics).
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q31wky.png)
Behold.
:crankey: I could have gone without seeing that today!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 23, 2011, 05:53:58 PM
Can you remember what the main theme of the particular cartoon was?
It was about being fat, and beauty being skin-deep.
Actually come to think of it, it was Cyanide and Happiness.
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Actually come to think of it, it was Cyanide and Happiness.
I love C&H, but yeah it can be pretty hit and miss. Same with XKCD. And pretty generally everything, actually. I AM FICKLE IN MY TASTES! (though, pretty consistently amused by black humor).
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 24, 2011, 02:53:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Actually come to think of it, it was Cyanide and Happiness.
I love C&H, but yeah it can be pretty hit and miss. Same with XKCD. And pretty generally everything, actually. I AM FICKLE IN MY TASTES! (though, pretty consistently amused by black humor).
Perry Bible Fellowships pretty consistently funny.
Red Meat
/thread
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Actually come to think of it, it was Cyanide and Happiness.
Ah. Can't help you then. Sorry.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 23, 2011, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
I had a huge fight with my best friend about that comic. Not that exact one, but a different one. I didn't get it and thought it was super unfunny, and because of the usual brainiacality of it I assumed that I was missing a reference. She insisted that it was exactly what it seemed to be and there was no hidden layer of funny.
We never resolved it.
XKCD varies wildly from brilliant to incredibly stupid(relationship comics).
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q31wky.png)
Behold.
I fail to see what's unfunny about trolling a few hundred thousand people with that.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 24, 2011, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 23, 2011, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
I had a huge fight with my best friend about that comic. Not that exact one, but a different one. I didn't get it and thought it was super unfunny, and because of the usual brainiacality of it I assumed that I was missing a reference. She insisted that it was exactly what it seemed to be and there was no hidden layer of funny.
We never resolved it.
XKCD varies wildly from brilliant to incredibly stupid(relationship comics).
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q31wky.png)
Behold.
I fail to see what's unfunny about trolling a few hundred thousand people with that.
This was my example of it when its brilliant.
Oh.
Most people bitch endlessly about that one.
I love the parentheses one. Never heard any complaints either. That actually bugs people? Like really?
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 24, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
I love the parentheses one. Never heard any complaints either. That actually bugs people? Like really?
XKCD has a very large hatedom. This is one of the comics the hatedom loves to bitch about.
BTW for those who haven't noticed, the XKCD archives have text search now, including searches for descriptions of the images. I think it's powered by the ohnorobot.com comic search engine.
Also when I feel like I'm missing out on some particularly funny reference, I click the link to the XKCD forums, each comic has a separate discussion thread, usually the joke is spelled out on the first page.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 24, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 24, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
I love the parentheses one. Never heard any complaints either. That actually bugs people? Like really?
XKCD has a very large hatedom. This is one of the comics the hatedom loves to bitch about.
The hatedom is well earned. He did create /r9k/ after all.