I have a question, and I don't know if this is useful or not.
We've gone in all kinds of directions here at the BIP forum.
We've talked about lots of project ideas (audio, visual, etc.)
We've discussed different ideas within BIP/GSP.
Here's what I want to know, what kind of BIPer are you?
It is clear we all have different talents and areas of knowledge/experience.
Perhaps it is useful to "define" where we are coming from in regards to BIP.
For example, this is me:
I think when I think of the BIP I tend to focus more literally and presently on the "think for yourself schmuck" idea, especially with regards to a person's development. My piece about "The American Dream" in the BIP pamphlet is an example of that. I think about paths we are steered down and paths we willingly and unwillingly ignore. Meanwhile, I have to admit I get a bit lost with the occult stuff because it's not something I've really been exposed to that often. Not to say it isn't interesting but that I don't have much to offer.
The point of this is that it might be nice to have a sort of roster with our strengths and weaknesses with the BIP ideas and philosophies. Especially considering any productivity, that way people can focus on what they are good at. Again, I don't know if it's helpful or not but just an idea that I think could enhance our productivity.
there seem to be 2 trends:
1. the revolving door
2. the do-it-yourself technique
it would be nice to see a roster - but after all this time, i dont know how likely that is
on a related note - i cant remember who said it but i read a quote that said something along the lines of '80% of success is just showing up'
in that regard, whoever has equipment to produce anything just needs to get into the mood, if they are so inclined
I'm still not quite sure what the question is.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:36:17 PM
I'm still not quite sure what the question is.
I think it is asking you to identify your splinter group of this particular splinter group.
Would "non serviam" be an appropriate answer?
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:36:17 PM
I'm still not quite sure what the question is.
"what you in for?"
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:40:42 PM
Would "non serviam" be an appropriate answer?
That's so 1968.  You're supposed to splinter down til everyone is their own ethnic/religious group, and then fight it out.
Alternatively, you can just make up something a hair more esoteric than anyone else, and then expound on it to young ladies at parties.  
I like the latter choice.
Not to mention, I have a feeling I'm already there. Care to hear my esoteric interpretations of the Law of Fives?
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
I like the latter choice.
Not to mention, I have a feeling I'm already there.  Care to hear my esoteric interpretations of the Law of Fives?
Did I mention the chainsaw?
Have you checked out the rocket-powered chainsaw yet?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/flyeridea-chainsaw.jpg)
Also, do you even buy in to the Law of Fives?
This is all subject to change over time and whimsy--
For months, I've been mulling over the the idea that most of humanity isn't actually conscious. Personally, I think I'm only conscious for about 20% of the day, maybe less (on average). I'd like to get that up to a good 33%. Without any pretentiousness, I do think a good portion of humanity is only awake for like 5-10% of the day, if that, and I'd like to help them. I know so many people who are depressed and miserable but lack the self awareness and willpower to DO something about it. I think the BIP is a toehold they can use to climb out. (emphasis on them climbing out, not us pulling them out)
As far as how I participate... I'm a pretty good editor, and good at critical analysis. I can produce a rant or sermon now and then, though I haven't had the time or patience in the last few weeks 'cause I'm bogged down with other writing projects. I feel I could serve The Project mostly by helping refine it and organize it towards being a final product. (I'm an assistant editor IRL)
I really do want to see us produce material that is useful to random strangers that pick it up. Yesterday, the guy sitting behind me on the bus must have read the pamphlet I left for him on the seat. I heard him make an interested "hm" noise. I would have preferred if that noise was, like, incoherent babble or laughter or hysterical screaming or something. I think this is a goal we can achieve.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
Have you checked out the rocket-powered chainsaw yet?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/flyeridea-chainsaw.jpg)
Also, do you even buy in to the Law of Fives?
1) :lol:  Stolen, as of now.
2)  Not even a bit.  I thought the whole thing was a fucking JOKE, you know, showing that you can spot patterns in anything, if you want to bad enough, and someone tells you what pattern to look for.  It's just an exercise demonstrating how religion works.
Isn't it?
QuoteNot even a bit. I thought the whole thing was a fucking JOKE, you know, showing that you can spot patterns in anything, if you want to bad enough, and someone tells you what pattern to look for. It's just an exercise demonstrating how religion works.
Isn't it?
Yup. But I think that was what LMNO meant. Second part of the Law says "the more I look, the more I see it" or something. Thats always been the point of it, as far as most people here are concerned.
Yeah, Cain's got it.
Quote from: Cain on February 16, 2007, 03:54:45 PM
QuoteNot even a bit.  I thought the whole thing was a fucking JOKE, you know, showing that you can spot patterns in anything, if you want to bad enough, and someone tells you what pattern to look for.  It's just an exercise demonstrating how religion works.
Isn't it?
Yup.  But I think that was what LMNO meant.  Second part of the Law says "the more I look, the more I see it" or something.  Thats always been the point of it, as far as most people here are concerned.
That's a relief.  I'd hate to think I spent the last 25 years laughing at something that wasn't intended to be a joke.
I kind of also take it as a description of how the human mind works. It wants to see patterns in things, sometimes so desperately that it will "make sense" of completely random bullshit, and the ascribe meaning to it.
But you probably already knew that.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 03:59:05 PM
I kind of also take it as a description of how the human mind works.  It wants to see patterns in things, sometimes so desperately that it will "make sense" of completely random bullshit, and the ascribe meaning to it.
But you probably already knew that.
Yeah, that's where we get religion. Well, that and circular reasoning.
Quote from: Doc Howl on February 16, 2007, 03:56:55 PM
That's a relief. I'd hate to think I spent the last 25 years laughing at something that wasn't intended to be a joke.
Yeah, thats why quite a few n00bs here have been flamed. And why the 50 post rule came in.
ZOMG11! 5+0 = 5 ROTFLOL
I know its going to happen one day, and that person will be permabanned if they are serious.
Quote from: Cain on February 16, 2007, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Doc Howl on February 16, 2007, 03:56:55 PM
That's a relief.  I'd hate to think I spent the last 25 years laughing at something that wasn't intended to be a joke.
Yeah, thats why quite a few n00bs here have been flamed.  And why the 50 post rule came in.
ZOMG11!  5+0 = 5 ROTFLOL
I know its going to happen one day, and that person will  be permabanned if they are serious.
Why would you permaban them? You can't buy that kind of fun.
Truth be told, it can get tiresome.
Perhaps, but when you've seen one you've seen them all, and they give me headaches. From slamming my head against my desk. Its me or them.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
Truth be told, it can get tiresome.
Quote from: Cain on February 16, 2007, 04:09:21 PM
Perhaps, but when you've seen one you've seen them all, and they give me headaches. From slamming my head against my desk. Its me or them.
Yeah, I can see that. You should try tending bar when the local college kids hear that it (the bar) is a "Discordian hangout". Every last moron feels the need to quote that stupid fucking book at you, until you start telling them to shut the fuck up or you'll kill them. Then they get all upset, and the boss gives you shit about it, and you spend the rest of the night glowering at them and slamming their drinks down on the bar just a little too hard. Meanwhile, the people that gave the bar that reputation have moved on to another bar to escape the fuckwads, leaving you to the mercies of the dumbshits.
Where the fuck do you live that the word "Discordian" is commonly known?
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 04:17:25 PM
Where the fuck do you live that the word "Discordian" is commonly known?
Near a state university.
Specifically, Batavia, Il. Which is too close to NIU.
Fuck, I live in Boston, with dozens of colleges all around me, and nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about.
Thanks for small favors, I guess.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 04:21:34 PM
Fuck, I live in Boston, with dozens of colleges all around me, and nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about.
Thanks for small favors, I guess.
Just wait. It's coming back in style, and before you know it, you'll be up to your ass in little fuckwads chanting the shit at you.
Especially since those two discordians shut your fucking CITY down for a day. Gotta love the press conference, though.
I'm in the same boat as LMNO. There are about two Discordians in this town, in total.
Edit: two self-proclaimed. About 6 or 7, in practice and a state of denial.
I thought the Mooninite thing was a blast. Especially as it didn't affect my commute.
As soon as the news showed an example of the "suspicious device," I started laughing my ass off.
Quote from: Cain on February 16, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
I'm in the same boat as LMNO.  There are about two Discordians in this town, in total.
Count your blessings.  On the other hand, we get one real recruit for every 100 morons, so we get a couple of new people a year to help keep things gummed up.  The hardest thing is avoiding the "royalty" problem.  You know, where you get the urge to lord it over the people who haven't been fukcing around for the last quarter century.  On the plus side, that's good for maintaining a sense of perspective.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 04:26:54 PM
I thought the Mooninite thing was a blast.  Especially as it didn't affect my commute.
As soon as the news showed an example of the "suspicious device," I started laughing my ass off.
Did you catch the press conference they gave after their arrest?
Quote from: Doc Howl on February 16, 2007, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 16, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
I'm in the same boat as LMNO. There are about two Discordians in this town, in total.
Count your blessings. On the other hand, we get one real recruit for every 100 morons, so we get a couple of new people a year to help keep things gummed up. The hardest thing is avoiding the "royalty" problem. You know, where you get the urge to lord it over the people who haven't been fukcing around for the last quarter century. On the plus side, that's good for maintaining a sense of perspective.
Yeah, I can see that being a problem. I tend to keep it quiet, but will admit to being one if its not going to muck up something. After all, if too many people knew, I'd have to change tack from infiltration and messing about to causing paranoia, and thats just too much work for me.
"Only questions about hair."
Priceless.  I was very impressed.
Quote from: LMNO on February 16, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
"Only questions about hair."
Priceless.  I was very impressed.
Tell me they aren't card-carrying Discordians. I dare you.
If they're not, they should be recruited immediately. I'll see what I can find out.
I'm having a bad day so I don't think I was in my right mind when I came up with this thing.
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And the more I think about it the more I realize it didn't really make sense, though since it's spurred 3 pages of responses I guess strinking from the record isn't appropriate.
It just seems that some of us can comment on certain parts of the BIP metaphor better than others because of our knowledge base/experience base/etc. I guess I was just trying to get at where we all were, individually, with that. But since this thing is ever evolving it really isn't appropriate as it can easily change a week from now.
Anyway, I'm going to go bash my head against the wall some more. Thanks. :argh!: