I was turning widdershins and casting my faerie dust out to the four quarters, whilst traversing the path of the tower just a minute ago when my votive candle blew out and I became aware of an ethereal presence in the room. "Blessed be" it told me, "I am nepherphockphock and I bring news from the place of dark misgiving."
I cast a sphere of protection around myself but decided to hear this spirit out. "I bid thee speak thy piece and leave, o' obscure but authentically Egyptian sounding deity.
"I have been sent by the ancient lords of time to bestow upon thee a new kind of Majeek" (spelled properly here for the first time ever) ", which will come to rule all other systems on account of it's total pwnage and forward thinking design."
"And verily I say unto thee," continued the entity, "the new Majeekal system shall be depicted in the form of a flowchart"
***Meanwhile back in the real world***
Looking at all the diagrams that have been flowing around lately, coupled with the occult talk round here, I'm wondering if anyone is interested in trying to come up with compact, basic charts that could describe occult formulae? It's a kind of vague notion but I've been seeing some really descriptive notations of paradigms of consciousness and it's got me thinking.
The bollox above was mainly down to the fact that there's been feck all posts all day and I wanted to write something.
yes i am interested
like i said before - its useful
whether strictly from a mnemonic perspective or however you want to call it
the shit is useful
lemme know what you got in mind
silly, your 'majeekal' narrative made me do this: :lulz:
Quote from: LHX on February 19, 2007, 08:26:22 PM
yes i am interested
like i said before - its useful
whether strictly from a mnemonic perspective or however you want to call it
the shit is useful
lemme know what you got in mind
Lemme have a think about it. And try invent some ideas. I'm thinking I might try applying to a couple of tarot cards, see if I can get a feel for what's involved. TBH it's more just - the original idea than any notions as to how it might actually work. Maybe it wont.
Quote from: Mangrove on February 19, 2007, 08:27:19 PM
silly, your 'majeekal' narrative made me do this: :lulz:
Don't mock it dude, It was a scary experience for me. If that protection spell hadn't held I might have been pwnt.
shall i be strengthening the astral pillars for you? :wink:
here is what comes to mind for me
- a basic work-in-progress that i have had -
the reason i keep using the word 'map' is because thats what this shit seems to be about
you take a look around
weird shit is going on
you look at the map to orient yourself
determine where you want to go
and the map helps you navigate the territory better
(hope thats not too mahdgickqual)
the twist that this map would have is that it could be translatable into different 'languages', ciphers or lingos
- this allows you to be better able to look at things from differences of angles
from another angle - it could also be seen as a creativity device - a 'idea generator'
lemme know if i should expand on any of this or if any of it sounds ridiculous
Quote from: Mangrove on February 19, 2007, 08:37:30 PM
shall i be strengthening the astral pillars for you? :wink:
I should be okay with teh astral pillars but I would appreciate any prayers or blessings you can send my way.
I can store these up in a psychic capacitor sigillum and then unleash it's awesome healing energy if anything bad happens.
Quote from: LHX on February 19, 2007, 08:38:19 PM
here is what comes to mind for me
- a basic work-in-progress that i have had -
the reason i keep using the word 'map' is because thats what this shit seems to be about
you take a look around
weird shit is going on
you look at the map to orient yourself
determine where you want to go
and the map helps you navigate the territory better
(hope thats not too mahdgickqual)
the twist that this map would have is that it could be translatable into different 'languages', ciphers or lingos
- this allows you to be better able to look at things from differences of angles
from another angle - it could also be seen as a creativity device - a 'idea generator'
lemme know if i should expand on any of this or if any of it sounds ridiculous
I'm totally down with that. This project I see working like a kinda mapping conventions dictionary. We've already agreed that making your own map is a good idea (as long as you don't start eating it) And I think we have enough smart brains here to come up with something reasonably awesome. This should be a personal system within our circle, initially a way of communicating ideas rapidly and effectively but, if we come up with something good we may just be able to tart it up in enough pseudo mystical bullshit to make a tidy profit selling books about it to neopagans.
Here's something I tried earlier by way of a bip icon.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/MajeekalFlowchart1-BIP.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u21/LHX012/SCbip.jpg)
if we can link this to known systems, the bakery would be open 24 hours a day
Projection system is the virtual model that consciousness builds to represent the sensory world and upper conscious interaction to observer.
One does not 'move' per se. Arrow is the direction of focus or information flow.
I got yr formula, right here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Majeek.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO on February 20, 2007, 01:26:21 PM
I got yr formula, right here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/Majeek.jpg)
im diggin that fo sho
i guess any endeavor here would enter at the 'making connections' phase, under the influence of the Law of Fives
So what, is this supposed to be a "Grand Unified Theory of Symbols", or something?
How about this for a formula.
Life: The Neverending Rorschach Test
Everywhere I look, I see butterflies and gumdrops.
Quote from: LMNO on February 20, 2007, 02:46:42 PM
So what, is this supposed to be a "Grand Unified Theory of Symbols", or something?
New occult system. With common mapping symbols we can share and explore/expand formulae without resorting to all that ancient enochian or talismanic crap.
Short response: not possible, if by "common" you mean "universal".
universal is a stretch.
settle for 'more accessible'?
Might as well just go for geometry.
circle = vagina and/or infinity
line = penis and/or singularity
triangle = stability
square = containment
1 - i love the superman logo at the top of the pyramid :-D
2 - would "interface" be a proper word for this "projection system" cause that's what it makes me thin kof. a bit like the dark grey boxes (prisons) in one of LHXs diagrams.
3 - what do you mean by upper consciousness?
Quote from: LMNO on February 20, 2007, 03:24:08 PM
Short response: not possible, if by "common" you mean "universal".
Was thinking more along the lines of - among the half dozen people here who are into stuff like this. You're right nothing universal is possible, ever. Why even bother trying? Come up with your own system (by own I mean with the input of a small group) then, if it's any good, a few others will adopt it. I'm always interested in magicque without the bullshit. Crowley did it without tears which was a good start but the next step is without the trappings of centuries of funky robes and rituals and shit.
Quote from: triple zero on February 20, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
2 - would "interface" be a proper word for this "projection system" cause that's what it makes me thin kof. a bit like the dark grey boxes (prisons) in one of LHXs diagrams.
I think the whole thing and each individual part can be construed as interfacing in some way. The bit I was describing as 'projection system' is more along the lines of the 3-d engine in game. It is an interface but then so is the link between sensory and normal consciousness
Quote from: triple zero on February 20, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
3 - what do you mean by upper consciousness?
'Subconscious' woulda been a better word
Any road the point of me posting that wasn't to give my point of view how the bip works but to illustrate how one could make a flowchart element and then expand on it. Could just as easily have been a box but I'm way too arty farty for that :sad:
id settle for a agreed upon map
and if not that
then agreed upon limitations
which takes into account the possibility of being incorrect
and
a mechanism for being refined (added to/altered/changed)
and then to apply this map to this occult bullshit
see where/why/how occult originated
- what the implications of it are
- how it can be used (NLP, mnemonics, other tools)
and then use the tool for:
a) developing new occult systems
b) as a source for story ideas / plot ideas
c) whatever apoclyptic/spiritual/superhero/anti-hero quest you find yourself on
d) a way to shed insight on situations you dont understand
every time something comes up, there is concern about being too definite
i dont see why that cant just be factored into the equation
The beauty of flowcharts is they instantly describe your paradigm but they can just as easily be refined, modified, trashed.. etc.
What I'm looking for is a really easily understood visual system you can use to describe stuff.
To illustrate where I see this going I've done a sequel to the diagram I posted last night. I still don't think it's quite specific enough to be applied to any particular tarot card but with a bit of adding stuff it might be something along the lines of the sun. It's still way to basic to be anything useful but I'm sure you can imagine the potential.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/JB1.jpg)
I'm having trouble with grasping that intuitively.
The average viewer would need to know what the fuck you're talking about first.
So is this a totally dumb idea or do I just suck at it?
Before working the flowchart, work on your symbols.
An experiment: Post your symbols with no definition, and we will try to figure out what you're trying to symbolize.
For example:
-> 
Would seem to be an arrow.
<-
so would that.
So, -><-, , being the 5 fingerd hand o eris would be interpreted as a meeting of conflicting ideas/enegries/"things".
Or something like that.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 20, 2007, 07:40:20 PM
So is this a totally dumb idea or do I just suck at it?
I think you just need a level or two more of detail. Honestly I'm lost with your diagram though admittedly I haven't gone over the past 2 or 3 days of posts so I'm sure some clues lie there, but I think like LMNO is saying, you need some more context so people can orientate themselves.
when i see that diagram i feel the need to go back to that other diagram and put them next to eachother, because i forgot what the different pyramid levels were for and what the dashed circle around it was ..
(also you left out the superman logo)