Why must cookies be enabled? Am I the only one who disagrees with this?
Doesn't say that to me. I might already have one from POEE though, I haven't checked.
Besides, are there actually any articles up there yet?
I don't know if there is anything there, I cant sign up without cookies and this is a work computer.
you must have cookies otherwise the server cannot see that you are logged in.
well, there is another way, with the session_id in the URL (as a GET variable) but that's insecure, and i'm not sure if the wiki-software would still work with that setting.
Quote from: Cain on February 27, 2007, 11:41:06 AM
Doesn't say that to me.  I might already have one from POEE though, I haven't checked.
Besides, are there actually any articles up there yet?
Not really. We have the main page intro and then Syn and I posted bios. There's also 4 links to projects one of which is the audio/video projects so I basically linked that to the POEEcasts. If anyone else has any BIP audio products not on POEE send me a link and I'll make sure you are linked up.
I've been uploading some of the relevant stuff to the wiki.
See: http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Literature
THREAD ARCHAEOLOGISTS:
Please link me to other rants / sermons / essays / articles which you think are cool.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=7104.msg322401#msg322401
BAM, uploaded. I also created a page for our One Sentence Meme Bombs: http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=One_Sentence_Meme_Bombs
let me know if there are any I missed
jesus christ I am feeling productive today
nice
keep it rolling
this should be good
Feel free to add any of the "Back in the day" stuff.
LMNO
-no time.
I am still unable to register. Does Syn handle all that shit or can someone here help me out?
Lemme go log on & see if there's anything I can do.
I guess it's all syn. I don't seem to be able to access registrations.
I can set you up rygD. You want same username?
If you don't mind. Fuc.ked up thing is I just sent Syn an email a little while ago asking him to help. The r is itsy-bitsy and the D is a bigun. either that or 5407.
Sorry about not getting around to that rygD, but I see your all sorted with an account now. :)
RWHN,
Giving the power to the people. :D
:lulz:
Okay okay okay okay okay
I've inserted the text from the booklet into wiki format...
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents (http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents)
Still needs a lot of formatting, as noted on the Talk page.
This bipdotcom is filling out nicely, dontcha think?
yay!
next time i have a few hours to spare and feel up to it ..
Way to go! :D
Quote from: synaptyx on March 14, 2007, 10:53:19 AM
Sorry about not getting around to that rygD, but I see your all sorted with an account now. :)
What the fuck, man? Do you have to make shit hard for me?
:wink:
Just testing. ;)
I swear, sometimes it does seem that way.
It's always that way.
TODAY'S UPDATES
I've finally gotten around to updating the page names on the Black Iron Prison TOC.
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents (http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents)
It looks pretty good right now, but it would look better with some visual stimuli. This relates to the whole Packaging argument. Please post art which you feel would help these wiki pages. If possible, specify on which page you think it belongs.
Also, if I get the gumption, I'm going to make some of the updates that I suggested in my Book Report on the Black Iron Prison (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11440.msg355276#msg355276). I realize I'm not one of the original authors so people may have issue with me tinkering around with this Holy Text LoL. Object or remod if you feel so inclined.
I cleaned up the "Literature" section a little. I seperated the rants/sermons from the discussions.
how exactly do i get an account at the wiki?
just trying to sabotage stuff is all.
I'll set you up. Let me know what username you want and I'll take care of it.
Does this mean we are free to sabotage stuff? I would have fucked it all up a while ago had I been informed of that...Just wish I had the time.
Note to self: make backups for asshat protection.
Quote from: rygD on April 22, 2007, 11:45:27 PM
Does this mean we are free to sabotage stuff? I would have fucked it all up a while ago had I been informed of that...Just wish I had the time.
Do you work for attheforum.com ?
Hey, How the hell do I make a new page for the wiki?
Well, it depends. I'll use an example. Say you wanted to create a page called "Barstools" that linked from the Main Page. What you would do is edit the Main Page, then type in a link for Barstools. It would look like this: [[Barstools]]
When you save the page the link will be red. Click on the link and then a new blank box appears. You can now, start creating the new page. Hope that helps. If you have trouble let me know and I can lend a hand.
Oh, so it's non-intuitive.
Heh.
Does BBS code work there?
[edit: NO]
html does though. If you're not sure the "help" section seems to be pretty useful. It lists all of the html functions that work and shows you how to do the code. I tell you, this wiki stuff is good for dumbasses like me who really don't know what they are doing.
Well, I just posted the discussion about individualism and the machine. I think I got the hang of it.
You mean re-posted? It's already there, man. :lol:
But are they the same? I know L was doing some editing of stuff.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on April 24, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
You mean re-posted? It's already there, man. :lol:
Ah, crap, you're right.
Ok, let's see if my uberhaxxor skillz can
remove something.
[edit: wow, that was easy.]
Added a lot of graphics to the main BIP pages
check it out:
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents (http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents)
most of them are ripped from random google image searches
suggest, tear down, replace etc
Okay, this is probably because it's my baby, but I think the graphic on "A Conclusion is Simply Where You Stopped Thinking" is way too big. I'd say the same thing for "who wrote this?" I think everything else looks good. These are just my opinions.
Yeah it's big but it all fits on one page (in my browser). In my book, that's the important thing. and the graphic might actually pull people in.
Thanks for the feedback, Rev. Zat look better?
Yup. Excellente!
update: I found it criminal that we didn't have The Machine(tm) material on the wiki. So, I started putting it up. It's culled from the "What is the Machine?" thread. The thread is 13 pages long and what I posted covers the first two. I'll work on it more later but I just wanted to get something on there.
There's also the pdf of the pamphlet, and check the "interesting shit from back in the day" thread to see if there's more summed up commentary.
can someone linkify me to the Machine pdf?
http://mihd.net/ba6gm5
It has been submitted for approval to POEE. Once it's on POEE it will be linked on the wiki.
Oh, yeah. It was taken off of POEE because it needed another page added to it.
wouldn't it be better if it was copied as text to the wiki?
Probably, maybe, needs to be re-visited.
Created:
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Ego_Sickness (http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Ego_Sickness)
check it out- to make the conversation very readable, I uploaded avatars for everyone
I encourage people to log in and edit!
Cool!
Actually works quite well with the avatars, oddly enough. (I didn't think it would)
How do I create an account on that damn thing?
Syn hands them out
though, i may be mistaken, RWHN can do as well? or .. i dunno
Yup, I can make em. PM me what you want for a user-name and I'll set it up. Probably sometime Monday.
I created a section on the wiki for the Shrapnel Project
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=The_Shrapnel_Project (http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=The_Shrapnel_Project)
please bump stuff that should go there
also, can anyone come up with a short abstract of this concept for the wiki?
It'll go at the top of the Shrapnel Project table of contents.
I figure we have enough fat chewed at this point that we should centralize it
and LHX's post was too cool not to publish somewhere
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on July 11, 2007, 04:25:19 AM
also, can anyone come up with a short abstract of this concept for the wiki?
It'll go at the top of the Shrapnel Project table of contents.
I figure we have enough fat chewed at this point that we should centralize it
and LHX's post was too cool not to publish somewhere
the shrapnel ordeal stemmed from a few conversations
i think RWHN has a slightly different take on it than me
also Felix might have some jewels to drop on the issue
lets see what we can come up with
I think the Ego Sickness discussion is relevant to this idea too
The diagram I posted over there is a spin off from the image of memes exploding all over the place. I'm talking about the shrapnel in terms of particles / molecules, and how they attract and repel each other. My chemistry is rusty though, so any pointers for more accurate language are appreciated.
(http://departments.oxy.edu/chemistry/testing/metalcomplex.gif)
We haven't even come close to figuring out what Shrapnel means.
It just sounds right. It feels right.
Quote from: LMNO on July 11, 2007, 12:55:05 PM
We haven't even come close to figuring out what Shrapnel means.
It just sounds right. It feels right.
whoa whoa
hold it right there
just because the menu looks so shiny doesn't mean the meal will be, especially not if we haven't even come close to figuring out what the meal is.
i'm serious.
it's just a name. a word, and it sounds and feels right to you, but we haven't even come close to figuring out what it means?
you're seriously getting blinded by the packaging. i concur, "shrapnel" is a cool word, rolls right off the tongue etc, but for using as a metaphore it leaves much to be desired. at least, in my opinion.
the pieces people have written were in my eyes using shrapnel as a rather awkward simile/metaphore, with which i'm not saying the ideas in it weren't good or profound, just that
the meaning or "semantic shape" of the word "shrapnel" and the ideas/concepts we're trying to describe only overlap very partially: "shrapnel" has some meanings that we don't subscribe to, and the ideas/concepts we're talking about have some properties that need some serious drugs before they can be attributed to shrapnel.
IMO.
Law of Fives.
If we're clever enough, we can find patterns that relate to "shrapnel" that will make it supercool.
LMNO
-in for a penny, in for a pound.
From my take on this discussion so far, what seems to be missing is the inter-play of the type of energy being discussed. This explosion, shrapnel, compression, explosion, shrapnel concept doesn;t really touch on the interaction between individuals, events and the like. As has been mentioned already, it has a very "everything comming at you" feel and little to no inter-play or interaction.
Maybe shrapnel isn't the right word, maybe its an incomplete memephor and needs something equivalent to the flack jacket of protection or some kind of personal reactive armour.
Dunno, but its an interesting convo none the less ...
I'll take a crack at some kind of summary-type thing. However it won't be forthcoming until later today if not tomorrow. I'm gonna be in meetings all morning.
And I think what I want to do is to try to write it without the actual word, or using it as little as possible. Because as I've said before, for me it's the visual of Shrapnel that's important, not the literal meaning of Shrapnel. I see it as sort of the perpendicular to the BIP concept. Anyway, I'll work something up and post it here later.
any progress Rev?
also:
I recall a while back reading a passage on why it was important to have the BIP metaphor. the gist of it was that once we have the metaphor, you can use that metaphor to enact change in your life.
Like life isn't "really" a black iron prison. But if you can see life through that lens, it will help you escape from the sort of traps that the BIP metaphor warns us about.
I think this passage is useful in establishing why we're talking about Shrapnel. So far the shrapnel discussion hasn't recommended any course of action or anything, it's just trying to create a metaphor for how things (memes?) are happening to us / from us. Once we have a good conception of that, we can move on to more dark and preachy essays. :p
But anyway, does anyone know which passage I'm talking about? It may already be on the wiki. If it isn't, it should be.
Professor Cramulus
Not sure, though some of the first threads in this subforum were kind of an issue-by-issue addressing of the BIP. For example the Family thread. But I don't remember that specific one you are talking about. As far as the summary, I've made some progress but I'm not done it yet.
So I threw up a sort of Shrapnel primer/summary on the bip wiki. I know it will need to be refined as things develop.
I've been adding some things to the Wiki today. It's been awhile since it was updated.
I added some new pieces to the Literature section.
I added a Download section to the main page, currently it just has links to the v1 and v2 pamphlets. But moar is always a good thing.
That's it for now. I want to add some more pieces but am waiting to hear about kopyleft status.
good work, Rev.
If anyone's looking to help out,
some of the pieces have been added or updated between v1 and v2.
The wiki could really use someone going through the v2 pamphlet and C&Ping the pieces if they've changed.
Off the top of my head I know LMNO's piece about Reality needs to be updated on the wiki, and the Parable of the Gong needs to be added as well. We have a few more pieces from Vex and a piece at the end of the pamphlet which are in the PDF but not on the wiki.
:thanks:
You may thank my lack of interest in work today for my sudden burst in wiki productivity.
It doesn't help that I am literally the only person in the office today.
But back to the wiki, I had intended to add your, Crams, and Vex's downloads to the download section but I encountered a glitch and lost everything I had typed, and I felt too lazy to go back and do it again.
bump to ask if anyone has the original BIP in any kind of electronic fashion. I was poking around and noticed when clicking on its link at the wiki that it goes nowhere. I think it'd be nice to still have that there, if for no other reason than for historical purposes. I apparently nixed it from my computer. Anyway, if anyone has it you can e-mail it to me at rev.whats.his.name@hotmail.com and I'll get it back on. Thanks.
Nevermind, I found it over at POEE.
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