(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/1181837/L.jpg)
a loop
yeah mofo i can dig it
this is good - clean and simple
can i expand on this?
I don't see why not.
It interests me that once the input is received, there need not be more input.
I'm trying to find a way to separate REALITY from BELIEF to an even greater degree, but I'm undr a deadline at work.
its like a membrane that closes
some sort of disease
its almost as tho the belief system begins to shape the person rather than the person shaping the belief system...
i think we got something here
if you dont actively keep the shit open - it will get shut down and it will shut you down
damn
A graphic about how things are "filtered"
(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/1181963/L.jpg)
i like how the polygons get less and less sides. i wouldn't make the thing square and have the "flow" all curled up like that for no reason btw.
also like how "our personal belief" is a pentagon ;-)
I curled it for space considerations.
I like this one. For the first one wouldn't Belief System and Conclusions about Reality be the same thing?
Not really. I consider "Belief system" to be a process in which data is interpreted, and "conclusions" to be the data at the end result of that process.
a filter
interesting
Quote from: LMNO on March 07, 2007, 04:34:18 PM
Not really. I consider "Belief system" to be a process in which data is interpreted, and "conclusions" to be the data at the end result of that process.
That strikes me as very 'chicken and egg'
- not an argument just an observation
Hence the first image.
BTW, in the second image, the captions would be better suited as:
Reality
How our senses receive Reality
How our culture interprets what we receive of Reality
How our personal beliefs interpret what our culture interprets what we receive of Reality
What we think Reality IS.
which kind of relates to the maps we were discussing during the doc howl week
Trying to combine the two...
(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/1181963/L.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/reality.jpg)
my take with more emphasis on the 'no way out' aspect
You want factors effecting actions and beliefs?
Personal psychology
Social status/peer group
Socio-economic status
Unitary actor levels (bureaucratic level)
Legal/State level
Cultural/linguistic/ religious level
Abstract/strategic level
.....for a quick roundup. No doubt Critical Theorists and Marxists would add even more.
Yeah.
Any quick buzzword to sum all that up?
"inhibitors"?
Quote from: LMNO on March 07, 2007, 07:00:23 PM
Yeah.
Any quick buzzword to sum all that up?
"Everything"?
Heh.
The point being, in the flowchart, we have a set of limitations. The first is biological, the second cultural (subconcious), the third personal (concious). The result of these filters gets fed into a loop of cultural and personal filters, reinforcing itself.
Ah, you want a method of influence classification. I'll see what I can do.
Quote from: SillyCybin on March 07, 2007, 06:12:19 PM
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/reality.jpg)
my take with more emphasis on the 'no way out' aspect
I agree that "reality" is much broader and larger a concept, but this means it's only contained within our conceptual precepts and conclusions. Not sure if reality is so confined, really, though there's lots of empty space not defined here either.
that diagram is supposed to mean reality = everything outside the circle, right?
i like that
It was more along the lines of my 'inside the sphere' analogy
We're inside reality so it's impossible to see it in context.
We sussed out the cosmos cos we originally found ourselves on the outside of a sphere - earth.
We thot it was flat to begin with but we pretty quickly worked out the troof by going around it and maths and stuff. Then we figured out what the stars and planets were.
Imagine if we'd been born inside a dyson sphere instead.
Quote from: Jenne on March 08, 2007, 06:50:52 AM
Quote from: SillyCybin on March 07, 2007, 06:12:19 PM
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/reality.jpg
my take with more emphasis on the 'no way out' aspect
I agree that "reality" is much broader and larger a concept, but this means it's only contained within our conceptual precepts and conclusions.  Not sure if reality is so confined, really, though there's lots of empty space not defined here either.
It seems the issue here is how to represent "Reality" in a flowchart. This does, however, lead us away from the entire point of the chart, which is the process of perception, and how "Reality" as represented by a circle is first distorted by the senses into an octagon.