Ok, the fact that "Black Iron Prison" is a PKD ripoff has come up a few times, so I hereby announce a challenge:
Please come up with a new name for the BIP metaphor. Hopefully, one that can still use the original essays with only minor edits.
Go.
[brainstorming]
what about something to do with a pen
you know where you keep captive animals
[/brainstorming]
I'm sticking with Reconstruction.
How about "Re-Constriction"?
Reconstruction makes me think of postwar efforts to rebuild.
You tell me if that's good or bad...
With "Reconstriction", I was thinking you're still in a cell, but you can define the restraints. Also, I misspelled "Reconstuction," and liked the almost pun, of the concept being about "I" and not "U".
:argh!:
I hate myself.
Window on Reality (filter)
Reality Canvas (artist/viewer)
Actual Reality (spin on virtual)
The Mirror (says it all but not directly)
The Garden of Egon - (base it round a cartoon character)
Brainstorm is all about triggering ideas - these are all dumb but hopefully it'll twig something in another couple of heads.
something to do with
- lock picking
- kicking doors off the hinges
- jail breaks
- slipping out the back door
- not digging deep enough
- life in general
- living in a waiting room
- being generally subversive
I think Black Iron Prison is not only appropriate, but makes the concept easier to grasp at the outset for someone who's just discovered the idea.
and if you're gonna rip off someone else's term, PKD isn't a bad choice.
Black Iron Prison was a good name for that booklet
but i cant see something being produced regularly called 'Black Iron Prison'
You're conflating, LHX.
This thread is for renaming the BIP.
The other one is for naming a publication.
And I'm starting to agree with ECH.
oops
what is it called when soldiers are stuck on the front line?
are they in barracks? trenches?
Trenches.
maybe we should just take the Black Iron part out of it
THE PRISON,Ñ¢.
Not bad.
Incongruity
The ebony Iron Prison
copywrite avoided
I thot you meant "Black Iron Trenches"
I loved that cos it had a kinda sequel feel to it
The Pink Clink
The Steel Gray Slammer
The Bing with No Parole
My vote is if it is feasible (read legal) to continue with BIP, we continue with BIP.
If not, I like The Prison.
To me, the cell and bar metaphors are important, especially when conveying the message to new folks. The better they are able to visualize this stuff, the more likely they are to get it.
i am starting to agree with the sentiment
To a dillettante, it would appear hackneyed and obvious.
Our likeliest candidates are such.
I would disagree with "the Prison" just because it seems to bear no uniqueness to any other mind-expanding reality trip.
I also feel that Black Iron Prison is the best name for it.
Trench warfare is known only as major part of one war, and was only used in a handful of them.  Bunkers have had a much longer life in warfare, and also retain the restricted feel.  If we are going the way of fortifications, how about The Pentagon, or less so, The Fortress?    That last one is getting really far away from the feel of it, though.
This one may be kinda out there, but my favorite song by Peter Gabriel is The Tower That Ate People, featuring, amongst other fun shit, the lines "the more we are protected, the more we're trapped within" although I usually think of those lyrics when considering the state of my once great nation.
Quote from: LMNO on March 07, 2007, 08:55:38 PMTHE PRISON,Ñ¢.
Not bad.
i dunno, by leaving out "black" it suddenly sounds even more dark/bad.
i agree that the prison metaphore is a strong one, so we need something along the lines of
THE ______ PRISON
or, maybe we could go with that, THE *blank* PRISON, make sure we release some audio where ______ is bleeped out
or will people then just think it actually says THE FUCK PRISON ? which would sort of draw attention away from our pretty metaphore, i'm afraid
one more idea
- let's keep "Black Iron Prison" for the pamphlets/stuff we've written so far
- the magazine is gonna be a different name of course
- but should we rename this subforum?
a subforum-name doesn't need to be terribly catchy, mostly descriptive.
(in fact that's one thing i really dislike about a lot of fora--that they have these "cozy" names for subfora like "the padded room", "the cellar" etc leaving it up to the visitor to read the tiny font below the forum name that describes in a few sentences what the subforum is actually about and whether or not you can post poetry. PD.com isn't half-bad with the subforum names compared to what some fora come up with, though)
Quote from: triple zero on March 08, 2007, 08:15:38 AM
THE *blank* PRISON
The Blank Prison sounds strangely appealing. I would look at a magazine with that name just to figure out what the fuck it is about.
The _______ Prison is actually kind of good
encourages people to call it whatever they want
which kind of fits into the whole situation
Whatever it be, Black Iron Prison has to go.
Anyone that missed me saying this before: I asked a buddy if he liked the BIP section of the forum and he said, "Oh, the Phillip K. Dick stuff."
Blank Internal Prison if you wanna keep BIP's initials.
LHX- The Pink Click sound like a strip club
Should we put the best ones in a pole and decide that way?
How about Captain Wonder Weasel's Syphyllitic Fuckhole?
Hunter, your buddy obviously either didn't read ANYTHING in this sub-foruom, or has a severe reading comprehension problem.
so far, nothing anyone has come up with conveys the idea behind all of this as elegantly as "Black Iron Prison" does.
just my two cents, but then, I'm the guy who has the power to re-name subfora, so consider me un-convinced for now.
what about if somebody asks politely?
Again, I've never read VALIS, so I don't know.
I'm just saying that's what one guy thought, and he's reasonably intelligent.
It's possible he's the only one.
Just putting it out there.
BIP is written into alot of things, and there is already a little booklet with graphics, but on the other hand, at least one person thought it was based on Dick stuff.
The Gesellschaft Gaol,Ñ¢
we could always abandon the magazine idea
put together a time machine
go back
take out PKD before he comes up with BIP
problem solved
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS#The_Black_Iron_Prison
I've read that short description before, but thought either I wasn't comprehending, or I was missing a key metaphor.
From what ECH and others have been saying though, our BIP has very few resemblences to Dick's BIP.
Fuck a name, the material is whats important.
I disagree, names are very important. They define a thing. The BIP is only one part of what we do here, and a very philosophically constrictive one at that.
OK, but lets not go crazy.
Noone's going to have a "perfect" name.
Let's not be too picky.
Everyone come up with some decent ones, we nominate the best ones, then vote.
Or pick out of a hat.
Or ECH pick it, because he can change it.
Either way, the material is still the more important thing. Let's not be the band who spend more time worrying about makeup than lyrical content.
Just sayin'.
The Monkey Shackles - There's my contribution.
why don't we just hold off and pick a name once we have a good idea of all the material?
Because many of us refer to it by name in our works.
"The key to understanding the ___________ is..... blah blah"
I can change it too. Just saying.
Then pick something.
No matter what you call this shit, someone will be unhappy.
Namely me.
I get like that.
I want a name people here will like. The majority of people, at least.
I suck at inventing names, but I'm a great critic.
Won't happen.
You want how many people discordians and assorted freaks to agree on one thing? A majority is pushing it.
Was anyone listening to me when I said make a poll of it.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 09, 2007, 02:24:41 AM
No matter what you call this shit...
I propose "This Shit".
just use THE _____ PRISON and be done with it
can underscores be part of a subforum name?
wouldn't you like to find out?
Quote from: triple zero on March 09, 2007, 12:47:29 PM
just use THE _____ PRISON and be done with it
can underscores be part of a subforum name?
wouldn't you like to find out?
i second the motion
There, it's done.
Now end this.
I liked "The Monkey Shackles"
anyway, how the fuck do you pronounce "_____"?
if you can't say it, that makes it hard to sell it to other people.
It's being pronouced blank.
We need to put this to vote for about a week and end this nonsense.
call it
The Renamed Philosophical Construct Formerly Known as the Black Iron Prison but Whose Name Had to Be Changed for Copyright and Other Reasons
or, for short, the RPCFKBIPWNHBCCOR
i still like BIP.
if it does get changed, that totally fucks up Liber 812.
of course, i will get over it eventually.
just to throw this out there: i don't know a great deal about copyright law et al. but back when i was in 'the mangrooves' and writing songs, i did  learn that song titles are not copyrightable, only the song itself. apparently, there's nothing stopping me writing a song called 'time after time'. of course, it would just cause confusion with the other song of that name*, but it's not, in itself a violation (or so i've heard). if i started ripping some of the lyrics and melody, then that's when the problem starts.
in the same way, i'm sure there's been at least 3 films called 'the hunted' and 2 called 'crossroads'.
i didn't get this info from a copyright lawyer or anything, so i won't stake my life on it. but if it is true, then 'black iron prison' doesn't exactly infringe on PKD. in the general populus, how many people are going to say to know about Valis anyway?
just a thought. blame the cereal.
* i think there might actually be an old jazz song called 'time after time' and sung by chet baker.....will have to check. the point is that there's plenty of things out there with same or similar names that are not necessarily problematic legally.
lets call it '812'
im serious
it almost even looks like BIP
Quote from: vexati0n on March 09, 2007, 03:40:54 PM
call it
The Renamed Philosophical Construct Formerly Known as the Black Iron Prison but Whose Name Had to Be Changed for Copyright and Other Reasons
or, for short, the RPCFKBIPWNHBCCOR
:lol:
I thought the issue was that BIP conjured thoughts of Dick.
It was my issue anyway.
lol 'thoughts of dick'
Anyway
wasn't it already called The Con?
or is that something else
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 09, 2007, 03:49:31 PM
I thought the issue was that BIP conjured thoughts of Dick.
It was my issue anyway.
it could. but only to people who like...um...you know....read books.
i'm not totally against changing it. i'm sure we'll all adapt & survive.
i just don't think that PKD associations is a problem with regards to distribution of lit amongst the general public. if we called the book 'black iron hogwarts'
then we'd be in a whole mess of shit.
'black iron hogwarts'
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: LHX on March 09, 2007, 03:50:05 PM
lol 'thoughts of dick'
We came so far.
I thought, "We might get through this whole thing without anyone mentioning how often we say Dick. Everone here is so mature."
And then comes LHX...
"Thoughts of Dick" was pretty irresisable wasn't it?
Mangrove- so??? Change? don't change? Bip? Blank? Is anyone going to decide?
this is getting retarded
The ______ Prison
fill in the blank with whatever term best summarizes the state of being
trapped-but-not-necessarily-as-trapped-as-you-may-have-been-led-to-believe
for you
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 09, 2007, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: LHX on March 09, 2007, 03:50:05 PM
lol 'thoughts of dick'
We came so far.
I thought, "We might get through this whole thing without anyone mentioning how often we say Dick. Everone here is so mature."
And then comes LHX...
"Thoughts of Dick" was pretty irresisable wasn't it?
Mangrove- so??? Change? don't change? Bip? Blank? Is anyone going to decide?
i really couldnt resist
i didnt even want to post that
something just came over me
RWHN syndrome
the Gaytarded Prison? no takers?
i'm sticking with black iron prison for now because:
a) i'm lazy
b) i'm in the middle of writing a piece on the fucking black iron prison  :x
as i said. i'm open to the idea of a change. so far none of the suggestions have really hit me with 'wow! that's great!'.
so for now...i'm keeping BIP and seeing what happens.
i think there's little to no motivation to actually change the term. at first, i didn't like it anyway, and i didn't even know who the fuck PKD was. not that i do now either, really.
but BIP grows on you. changing the name now actually seems to me like .. um.. metaphorically speaking, it's like changing the name of something you're familiar with for no compelling reason. that metaphor fucking KILLS.
fuck you.
im thru with this renaming shit
altho Cain is right - a name is important and it is a detractor to not have a ideal name
i am getting used to things being less than ideal
it can be called whatever
Bartholomew's Flying Circus in the Clouds
Advanced Chakra Blockage for Seniors
The Matrix of Neo
i fully intend to bring the thunder regardless
my real life name isnt actually LHX
OVER AND OUT
Quote from: LHX on March 09, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
my real life name isnt actually LHX
WAY TO RUIN THE ILLUSION
:emo:
I have no more to add really, except that I know I regretted changing the now defunct BIP forum to The Discordian Network. I wish I had just left it as it was.
Oh and that another reason I think the current name is important.
Black IRON Prison
Insipiration
Requires
Original
Notions
*courtesy of SSOOKN
This is key to what we are doing, and needs to be reflected, somehow, in our name.
Then it's settled.
Everyone get back to work.
I'm not buying you guys any more domain names.
Just sayin'
you can have discoflux.com
i know that's not helping
Quote from: Mangrove on March 09, 2007, 03:45:32 PM
just to throw this out there: i don't know a great deal about copyright law et al. but back when i was in 'the mangrooves' and writing songs, i did  learn that song titles are not copyrightable, only the song itself. apparently, there's nothing stopping me writing a song called 'time after time'. of course, it would just cause confusion with the other song of that name*, but it's not, in itself a violation (or so i've heard). if i started ripping some of the lyrics and melody, then that's when the problem starts.
Then I propose "Vatican Information Service".
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on March 09, 2007, 03:33:41 PMI liked "The Monkey Shackles"
anyway, how the fuck do you pronounce "_____"?
if you can't say it, that makes it hard to sell it to other people.
you don't need to pronounce it, it's just the name of the subforum we were talking about, right?
but monkey shackles is fine with me too
and i think you should pronounce it BLEEEEEEEEEEEEP
"812" is pretty cool as well .. mysterious, means nothing, reminds people of 419 and doesn't add up to 23
******
newsflash, i just read the rest of the thread, let's keep it
but let's not stop bickering about it
8-1-2=5
just sayin'.... always a link...
:eek:
Shush...
He said no link to 23.
Some Discordian asshole is always going to find something.
I think we should call it "Derek"
Because no-one has suggested it yet.
5 letters...
Quote from: triple zero on March 10, 2007, 06:38:47 PM
newsflash, i just read the rest of the thread, let's keep it
but let's not stop bickering about it
good observation
I've got it!!!
"Holy See"...
That is going to be in some form in my new title/honorific/style thingy whatever they are called, if I ever get around to taking a look at what I want to include.
Quote from: rygD on March 10, 2007, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 09, 2007, 03:45:32 PM
just to throw this out there: i don't know a great deal about copyright law et al. but back when i was in 'the mangrooves' and writing songs, i did learn that song titles are not copyrightable, only the song itself. apparently, there's nothing stopping me writing a song called 'time after time'. of course, it would just cause confusion with the other song of that name*, but it's not, in itself a violation (or so i've heard). if i started ripping some of the lyrics and melody, then that's when the problem starts.
Then I propose "Vatican Information Service".
:potd:
How about we literally call it "The Blank Prison"?
I proposed this already. SO, yeah, sounds good to me.
What the fuck does that ribbon say/mean?
FFC Post of the Day.
I need someone to photoshop it to say "PD Post of the Day" however.
Oh, ok. Is it supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing, or both or something else?
Good. Definitely good. We stole most of our emoticons from FFC, since a few of us have trolled that cesspit of the internet now and again and know what they're for.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/potd.gif)
Just like to go on record as saying this is prolly the ugliest graphic I've ever been involved in.
I am insulted by someone saying something good about something I said or did. I will, in the future, try to be even more counterproductive.
I was thinking this weekend that we are usually a self-effacing lot, I don't see why we couldn't just say up front, "Yeah, we stole the phrase from PKD, but it doesn't mean to us what it meant to him. So shut up, and keep reading."
Oh hell no! We need to be MUCH more confrontational!
"...and if your first thought is 'Oh, more of that PKD stuff', then just set this down right now. This magazine is for the grown-ups."
"if you thought BIP = PKD you need to KYSFTB"
Quote from: triple zero on March 12, 2007, 03:43:12 PM
"if you thought BIP = PKD you need to KYSFTB"
Why? It's a logical first impression.
I don't know how you can think about PKD after reading it but at first...
i was just joking with the overuse of acronyms, never mind :)
Honestly, I'd never heard of PKD until after we came up with the BIP stuff. I imagine your average person will be in the same situation. Philosophical-interweb-nerds may get picky, but fuck em, with a painted-cave troll figurine!
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/pkdironprison.jpg)
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Special:Random
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 12, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Honestly, I'd never heard of PKD until after we came up with the BIP stuff. I imagine your average person will be in the same situation. Philosophical-interweb-nerds may get picky, but fuck em, with a painted-cave troll figurine!
If you don't read his type of books you may not know him by name, however I am sure most people know the films he inspired. You could throw that in their face, or we could try to gain some attention to the project through Dick. Maybe the Dick-Leary-Wilson link.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/pkdironprison.jpg)
(http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Special:Random)
just testing to see how to link to a website from an image with bbcode -- and it worked!
You folks can call it what you want, but I think PKDIP sounds better than BIP anyway.
:rbtg:
Quote from: rygD on March 13, 2007, 07:33:42 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 12, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Honestly, I'd never heard of PKD until after we came up with the BIP stuff.  I imagine your average person will be in the same situation.  Philosophical-interweb-nerds may get picky, but fuck em, with a painted-cave troll figurine!
If you don't read his type of books you may not know him by name, however I am sure most people know the films he inspired.  You could throw that in their face, or  we could try to gain some attention to the project through Dick.  Maybe the Dick-Leary-Wilson link.
I tried this on a message board devoted to PKD's BIP but was unsuccessful.
I think we should call ourselves the Fifth International, just to piss off Communists (and tip our hat to Thornley)
Seriously?  There's a forum dedicated to the idea that the Roman empire never ended, and we are all still living in the age of Christ, but are blinded by a hyperintelligence so adept at camoflage that it has taken on the very aspect of the environment itself?
Wow.
Quote from: LMNO on March 13, 2007, 07:25:56 PM
Seriously?  There's a forum dedicated to the idea that the Roman empire never ended, and we are all still living in the age of Christ, but are blinded by a hyperintelligence so adept at camoflage that it has taken on the very aspect of the environment itself?
if there is I wanna know about it --- NOW!!
Let's just call ourselves the Indecisive Deciders and move on with it.  
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
I think we should call ourselves the Fifth International, just to piss off Communists (and tip our hat to Thornley)
I think your average Joe would think that is the name of a bank, just sayin.
And? You say that like its a bad thing.
We're all going to keep calling BIP anyway.
This naming thing has gone on too long to change anything.
You've all been studying our senate I see.
Good job fellas.
I say we rename it Black Iron Poultry in honor of LHX's new sig.
Fifth International has great re-mortgaging rates
Black Iron Poultry contains no trans-fats
As I was rereading the GSP thread I had a different idea about which metaphor to use.
There are times in my life when I realize, that I'm in a terrible rut and it's No Fun. It forces me to evaluate which elements of the rut are necessary and good and which should be stripped out. Usually the escape from the rut involves me picking up a new hobby, doing something drastically different, or in some way altering my day-to-day me. It's sort of like waking up from a dream.
But instead of waking up into reality I'm really just waking up into another dream. Because that new hobby will one day get boring, and that new me is in no way the ultimate me.
It's a Dream Within A Dream
It's a false awakening, but an awakening none the less
The point of learning how to wake up is not to find the top-level reality, but to achieve lucidity.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on March 14, 2007, 03:51:34 PM
The point of learning how to wake up is not to find the top-level reality, but to achieve lucidity.
I like that. You came up with that yourself or did you rip it off from some famous philosopher?
Sounds like both Buddha, and Gurdjieff.
I thought you were going in the Useful Rut direction, not the Wake Up direction.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on March 14, 2007, 03:51:34 PM
The point of learning how to wake up is not to find the top-level reality, but to achieve lucidity.
I like that.
yeah, nice one, prof!
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 13, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
I think we should call ourselves the Fifth International, just to piss off Communists (and tip our hat to Thornley)
I have one. It's still churning in my brain so forgive me if this seems raw, and poorly constructed. Call it something along the lines of 'The Secret Mansion.' The idea being that you are confined to certain parts of the house, depending on your worldview etc, and you can try doors that lead to nowhere, and none of the windows won't budge, but doing something as simple as pulling on a candlestick or shifting a book in the bookcase opens up a whole new area in your little funhouse.
oooh ooh- The Winchester Mystery Prerogative.
Interesting.
I have a proposition: Since each of us seem to have a different mental picture of essentially the same thing, I say each one of us should write a short essay describing it.
For example, Prof Cram can write about a Dream WIthin A Dream, Cyb can write the Secret Mansion, etc etc.
Then we complile that into a pamphlet, call it "7 ideas about one thing" (or however many we get), and let people decide which metaphor they like best.
I call dibs on the "Pink Fuzzy Bathrobe"!
Quote from: LMNO on March 16, 2007, 03:30:05 PM
Interesting.
I have a proposition: Since each of us seem to have a different mental picture of essentially the same thing, I say each one of us should write a short essay describing it.
For example, Prof Cram can write about a Dream WIthin A Dream, Cyb can write the Secret Mansion, etc etc.
Then we complile that into a pamphlet, call it "7 ideas about one thing" (or however many we get), and let people decide which metaphor they like best.
Excellent idea - scrap the semantic bickering and get on with doing something :mittens:
Now, of course, I'm on the spot and here comes the writers block ....
Good call LMNO
Though I don't think it should be a "which metaphor is best" contest. (which will ultimately be rhetorical)
I think the goal is to get as many hands as possible on the elephant.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking that we'd declare a "winner".
We'll never all agree on the metaphor, so let's present them all equally.
Although, wouldn't it be rather redundant to have seven stories that all describe the same concept, in a very similar way? I don't have much to say personally, so mine would be a lot like a narrative with a little bit of point thrown in there, but probably deep enough that anyone who read it would go "Neat story." and never really think about it again. Not even at 3am the next day.
only one way to find out
Quote from: cyberus on March 17, 2007, 06:31:59 AM
Although, wouldn't it be rather redundant to have seven stories that all describe the same concept, in a very similar way? I don't have much to say personally, so mine would be a lot like a narrative with a little bit of point thrown in there, but probably deep enough that anyone who read it would go "Neat story." and never really think about it again. Not even at 3am the next day.
Worked for the Bible...might work for the BIP.
Quote from: cyberus on March 17, 2007, 06:31:59 AM
Although, wouldn't it be rather redundant to have seven stories that all describe the same concept, in a very similar way? I don't have much to say personally, so mine would be a lot like a narrative with a little bit of point thrown in there, but probably deep enough that anyone who read it would go "Neat story." and never really think about it again. Not even at 3am the next day.
The idea isn't to have literally everyone write a piece, but for those who don't like the BIP metaphor to write their own metaphors that they are more comfortable with. The point is to show that the underlying idea is what's important, not the medium through which it is described.
Quote from me on plan of action reposted here for relavence....
(quote)
Proposed title:
How to Survive the Black Iron Prison: A field User's Guide
1) keeps the spirit of the original title but mututes it so people needing to change it for changes skae are happy.
2) indicates a slightly hopefull premise and thus makes some of the negativiety in the contnent writing seem more tongue in cheek, which was my big gripe (though even then, I'd still recomend reworking a few areas).
3)Is assanine (and it should be).
4)(imo)Represents the actual mission of the book, to help one understand their own limitations and make a life mission of expanding the walls, breaking them down and building up new ones... to raise awareness of what we are actually doing so that we can take a more active role in our own lives. It is impossible to escape BIP, but you can rearrange it, be an agent of change per se. After reading a lot of the BIP material (the original pamphlet, and some forum and wiki) I really think that this actually represents the mission accopmlished by the BIP VS what the whatever original mission was (to include it as some sort of extentsion of the PD).
As writing is old hat for me I'd have to say that when titleing, only do so when done though. This way you can actually represent what it is presented as a whole rather than box yourself in to a confined space of writing. Instead this gives you the ability to roam where you need to with the work instead of try and conform to some preset doctrine you have in your psyche.
(end quote)
lick my :bacon:
Suggested new name:
LOOK AT THIS YOU DUMB FUCK
i'm not gonna explain why again but just look here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11449.105
two thumbs down.
sry, but i hate it.
That's the whole point.
Quote from: vexati0n on May 26, 2007, 10:28:05 PM
two thumbs down.
sry, but i hate it.
still better then AKK's suggestion
Quote from: LMNO on March 07, 2007, 06:02:16 PM
Ok, the fact that "Black Iron Prison" is a PKD ripoff has come up a few times, so I hereby announce a challenge:
Please come up with a new name for the BIP metaphor. Hopefully, one that can still use the original essays with only minor edits.
Go.
Jackass Motel.
Has anyone suggested "Jail Break" yet.
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 28, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
Has anyone suggested "Jail Break" yet.
Cain used that term about a year ago, but for the act of ESCAPING the BIP, not the BIP itself.
Jail break is actually a better name for it imo. Always better to focus on the solution rather than just curse the problem, thereby exacerbating it, unless you're a masochist, which a lot of people are. A lot of people tend to be absolute pessimists, to their own detriment. Welp, time for my daily lemon juice blood bath. Hey, how about renaming it to masochist's paradise?
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 29, 2007, 03:39:38 AM
Jail break is actually a better name for it imo. Always better to focus on the solution rather than just curse the problem, thereby exacerbating it, unless you're a masochist, which a lot of people are. A lot of people tend to be absolute pessimists, to their own detriment. Welp, time for my daily lemon juice blood bath. Hey, how about renaming it to masochist's paradise?
Wait. What? Discussing the BIP is masochism?
Well, of course...examining a problem is the same as wallowing in it.
UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 28, 2007, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 28, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
Has anyone suggested "Jail Break" yet.
ECH used that term about a year ago, but for the act of becoming aware of the BIP, not the BIP itself.
fixed.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 29, 2007, 04:39:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 28, 2007, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 28, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
Has anyone suggested "Jail Break" yet.
ECH used that term about a year ago, but for the act of becoming aware of the BIP, not the BIP itself.
fixed.
true
i still remember the cordial invitation like it was yesterday
Yeah, I never did it. I never took part in the About A Lie thread either, because I considered 99% of what was going on as masturbationary Philosophy 101 classes that were skirting around what we were meant to be doing, updating the PD.
I think "jail break" has potential, perhaps as a new pamphlet or production.
Speaking of, doesn't it seem like we've had enough decent material lately to throw one together? Fuck, I think between Vex and PC's output lately alone, we could have a decent product.
So, go ahead and do it, already.
You know what, my foot DOES fit in my mouth.
Of course, it's much easier when I detach the leg first.
Then again, calling it 'jail break' might be a little too liberal; it would attract some ideas for loosening the too many restrictions in society, but would also attract a bunch of hoohas who think we should be all about blowing things up and killing people. I still think black iron prison makes the world sound more hopeless than it actually is though. In some parts of the world it may be that bad, probably more than I'm allowed to know, but that'll change one way or another. Gray Iron Prison sounds more true to the general world the way it is now. If we were in a Black Iron Prison it would be more like living under Hitler or Stalin. The name sounds totally emo whiney. [pd.com]I'm in a black iron prison and TGRR's the evil tyrant warden. He's gonna chain me to the interwall and spank me with a baton every day, 'till he kills me in the gas chamber of his ass. Wah!!![/pd.com]
Move up to the next level.
Face Grayface.
Kill the Black Iron Prison.
Gray Iron Prison is the new name...imho.
Jail Break
Black Iron Prison
These names give away the pamphlets suppose to be about before you even read it.
New Name Suggestion:
Toilet Paper Hand-Cuffs
The first few times I saw "Black Iron Prison" I read it as "Blank Iron Prison", thought it was a good rip off of PKD and left it that.
Quote from: The Lamanite on May 29, 2007, 11:27:05 PM
Jail Break
Black Iron Prison
These names give away the pamphlets suppose to be about before you even read it.
New Name Suggestion:
Toilet Paper Hand-Cuffs
KYSFTB.
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 29, 2007, 10:58:47 PM
Then again, calling it 'jail break' might be a little too liberal; it would attract some ideas for loosening the too many restrictions in society, but would also attract a bunch of hoohas who think we should be all about blowing things up and killing people. I still think black iron prison makes the world sound more hopeless than it actually is though. In some parts of the world it may be that bad, probably more than I'm allowed to know, but that'll change one way or another. Gray Iron Prison sounds more true to the general world the way it is now. If we were in a Black Iron Prison it would be more like living under Hitler or Stalin. The name sounds totally emo whiney. [pd.com]I'm in a black iron prison and TGRR's the evil tyrant warden. He's gonna chain me to the interwall and spank me with a baton every day, 'till he kills me in the gas chamber of his ass. Wah!!![/pd.com]
Move up to the next level.
Face Grayface.
Kill the Black Iron Prison.
Gray Iron Prison is the new name...imho.
What the fuck is Grey Iron?
Man, if only we could channel the energy that went into dissecting the name of the damned thing we'd have 23 volumes by now. :roll:
titles:
"We Are Better Than You Are at Apocalypse"
"HAHAHAHAHA Look at Your Face!!!"
"Fuck You if You Don't Read This"
"Things We Thought About While Your Mom Was Sitting On Our Faces"
"Free Hand Jobs"
"Think of the Children"
Quote from: LHX on May 30, 2007, 02:13:37 PM
"We Are Better Than You Are at Apocalypse"
I like this one.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2007, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: The Lamanite on May 29, 2007, 11:27:05 PM
Jail Break
Black Iron Prison
These names give away the pamphlets suppose to be about before you even read it.
New Name Suggestion:
Toilet Paper Hand-Cuffs
KYSFTB.
Klean Your Sloppy Face Today Buddy?
Quote from: The Lamanite on May 30, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2007, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: The Lamanite on May 29, 2007, 11:27:05 PM
Jail Break
Black Iron Prison
These names give away the pamphlets suppose to be about before you even read it.
New Name Suggestion:
Toilet Paper Hand-Cuffs
KYSFTB.
Klean Your Sloppy Face Today Buddy?
(http://www.discoflux.com/bskilling.jpg)
PowerShit,Ñ¢
drive-thru death
Help! I've fallen over, and can't get up!
Shrapnel
Quote from: LMNO on May 30, 2007, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 29, 2007, 10:58:47 PM
Then again, calling it 'jail break' might be a little too liberal; it would attract some ideas for loosening the too many restrictions in society, but would also attract a bunch of hoohas who think we should be all about blowing things up and killing people. I still think black iron prison makes the world sound more hopeless than it actually is though. In some parts of the world it may be that bad, probably more than I'm allowed to know, but that'll change one way or another. Gray Iron Prison sounds more true to the general world the way it is now. If we were in a Black Iron Prison it would be more like living under Hitler or Stalin. The name sounds totally emo whiney. [pd.com]I'm in a black iron prison and TGRR's the evil tyrant warden. He's gonna chain me to the interwall and spank me with a baton every day, 'till he kills me in the gas chamber of his ass. Wah!!![/pd.com]
Move up to the next level.
Face Grayface.
Kill the Black Iron Prison.
Gray Iron Prison is the new name...imho.
What the fuck is Grey Iron?
The Gray Iron Prison is all the bullshit of the Black Iron Prison, but handed to us on a silver platter by the media and politicians. Never mind. It was a dumb idea.
I like the idea, I think you should scrap the metaphor and start again.
This could be good.
HOW ABOUT THIS
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/9ironprison.jpg)
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 31, 2007, 08:53:44 PM
HOW ABOUT THIS
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/9ironprison.jpg)
The Church of the Subgenius will be announcing the price on your head tomorrow.
Teach YOU to fuck with the sacred 9 iron.
That's priceless. 9-Irons are a sacred weapon though, he's right.