since the topic is up right now
i am proposing a motion that the meme bombs be taken a bit more (gasp) seriously
for this group - meme bombs are one of the things we specialize in
and that being said - a lot of them on the wiki are kind of shit
granted - one may resonate with a person more depending on where they are at and what is on their mind
but
the difference between a good bomb and a bad one is huge
no disrespect to any authors
just because those phrases are short does not provide excuse to blurt out the first witty paradox that comes to mind
example:
"Black sheep are still sheep" = good - witty - sharp - a twist
"Secure your future: Declare yourself Jesus while masturbating in public." = tacky - controversial but too blatant - the 'secure your future' part is a good lead in but this one seems to fall apart
these are just opinions
god only knows the amount of trash i have produced and broadcast
im just sayin tho - the meme list on BIP isnt necessarily something that looks too great given the inconsistent quality
some of it sounds like it got torn out of the pages of 'new age' literature
I see nothing wrong with individual users taking what they want from it and only using the ones they enjoy. For example, I plucked the ones I liked for the "Eat the Menu" project.
good point
i withdraw the motion
I liked that thing though, it was pretty fun. Granted I thought a bunch were trite and over used, but that's only because I'd seen them before. They were certainly funny the first time.
Even still, I managed to find a few gems, what are you proposing? that teh article be tore up?
I'd have to say in this case it's too subjective to determine what is good and not.
I do have another opition though, and I can't do it, so you htmlers will have to pick up my slack...
Make a random meme bomb generator.
That would make the page much more friendly IMO
oh and leave the black sheep with the pic at the top, it's a good filler and defines the topic upon viewing (meme bombs and how they work)
Actually, in contradiction to my contribution to the eat the menu project, they shouldn't really be grouped together.
It seems that they would be more effective one at a time, separated from the group.
the one at a time thing works, it gives the person as much time as they want to meditate on it without feeling that there is an insurmountable list that they still have to trudge through.
Yes. Not to sound conspiratorial, but the list of memes should probably only be used as a library of sorts, and not really widely published.
(http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg)
That much said, I still like my contribution to the eat the menu idea.
When I posted all that jazz on the wiki I tried to err on the side of including too much, rather than inadvertently leaving out something cool. Somebody that has time should really do some pruning.
Now that I think of it, it might be good to include a link on the meme bomb page to the wikipedia May 1968 (or whatever it was) article
Professor Cramulus
no time at the present
Quote from: LMNO on March 29, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
Actually, in contradiction to my contribution to the eat the menu project, they shouldn't really be grouped together.
It seems that they would be more effective one at a time, separated from the group.
I agree and that's where I was sort of going with my contribution to the menu. There were a couple on one panel, a couple on another, and then a little intro from the BIP. And of course, I picked out memes I liked. Though, I really like the sort of numerology puzzle withe the memes and the prices. It seems like a convention that would lead one to actually consider the memes a bit more in a process to figure out the relationship between the price and the meaning of the meme. So, I think in that example, the list of memes works.
But in general, I agree. Having 3 pages of memes probably makes them lose their punch.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 29, 2007, 08:00:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 29, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
Actually, in contradiction to my contribution to the eat the menu project, they shouldn't really be grouped together.
It seems that they would be more effective one at a time, separated from the group.
I agree and that's where I was sort of going with my contribution to the menu. There were a couple on one panel, a couple on another, and then a little intro from the BIP. And of course, I picked out memes I liked. Though, I really like the sort of numerology puzzle withe the memes and the prices. It seems like a convention that would lead one to actually consider the memes a bit more in a process to figure out the relationship between the price and the meaning of the meme. So, I think in that example, the list of memes works.
But in general, I agree. Having 3 pages of memes probably makes them lose their punch.
this is why I recomend the random generator. lobby lobby lobby.
random generators lack style and finesse
Not to mention, I want to remove these from the web and put into REAL LIFE. I want to put them in places where people wouldn't expect them. I don't want to stick them into some dark corner of the Web, waiting for someone to click.
A well placed meme bomb can reach hundreds of people during rush hour. You can't say the same thing about a random generator on a website.
true but having it there also would be good, why make less resources?
On the note of putting them out in real life I was considering putting:
"America brought liberty to my country and all I got was tortured" on a t-shirt.
Whoever wrote that gets 5 points.
I don't know. I think t-shirts and bumper stickers are becoming old-hat. The Mooninite campaign was going in the right direction though probably could have been executed better.
I don't think people really read t-shirts and bumper stickers like they used to. Nowadays people who put bumper stickers on their cars usually put 20 or 30. And the t-shirts, with Hot Topic and other chains, that tactic has really become saturated.
I think innovation is the key.
Boston's a great place for this (NYC would be as well) since there's an active, useful public transit system that is used by thousands of people daily. Stickers (not bumper stickers) slapped around the T or the NYC Subway - doors, station maps, turnstyles, etc. - will be seen by hundreds of people for each sticker. When they're removed (and they WILL be removed) just slap up another one. The worst they can get you for is vandalism, but it's hard to catch if you have any slight-of-hand skills (even if there's video surveillance).
Beyond that (and for places without such high-traffic systems) it becomes much trickier. Convenience store doors, Fast food restaurant doors (preferably one on each side to get them as they're coming and going), gas station pumps, etc. These are all places where it's likely someone will be watching (video or otherwise) so being careful is key.
Definitely a more old-school approach, but hey - if it ain't broke ...
this is ture, but the circumstance for me is a bit unusual.
I don't wear t-shirts with printed stuff on it, I'm actually noted and known for my outlandish attire.
If I did when I went out people would note the difference and want to read it out of curiousity. Not being egocentric, that's just fact.
It would also have more impact if I wore it during a performance or photo shoot.
That is where I was going with that.
I agree with your statement though, bumper stickers and t-shirts are tired and old hat.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 30, 2007, 02:42:51 PM
I'm actually noted and known for my outlandish attire.
If I did when I went out people would note the difference and want to read it out of curiousity. Not being egocentric, that's just fact.
man
are you typing this wiff a straight face?
if i said something like that around here i would get the taste slapped out my mouth
that shit reads like those translated Biggie lyrics at the top of the site
QuoteNews: It would be in your best interest to keep your woman away from me as my sexual prowess is very strong. If you are unconvinced, ask Puff Daddy.
that's actually a quote from me, he just stole it, ask him.
Bathroom doors.
When better to read something, & puzzle over it, then when you're taking a shit, confined for several minutes in a small cell with nothing better to do?
Quote from: LMNO on March 30, 2007, 02:49:13 PM
Bathroom doors.
When better to read something, & puzzle over it, then when you're taking a shit, confined for several minutes in a small cell with nothing better to do?
Good call - also a very easy place to slap a sticker up.
That's it. We need to recruit some truckers.
And more entertaining than "Kyle sux dik, 555-6725".
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 30, 2007, 02:54:31 PM
That's it. We need to recruit some truckers.
Isn't Mourning a trucker?
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 30, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
that's actually a quote from me, he just stole it, ask him.
what else are you noted and known for?
do you sell autographs thru paypal?
When he introduced himself as Ambassador Klok Kaos, I immediately thought, "isn't he the one with the outlandish attire?"
Funny, when I saw the name I immediately though, "MOC's comeback attempt"
i got head from some girls around my way when i told them that i post on the same board as klok
Quote from: LHX on March 30, 2007, 03:03:49 PM
i got head from some girls around my way when i told them that i post on the same board as klok
I knew somebody would, it was only a matter of time :lulz:
Funny, when I mentioned it to my wife I didn't get head. She couldn't stop laughing.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 30, 2007, 03:07:55 PM
Funny, when I mentioned it to my wife I didn't get head. She couldn't stop laughing.
and now you know why. :lulz:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 30, 2007, 02:06:03 PM
I don't know. I think t-shirts and bumper stickers are becoming old-hat. The Mooninite campaign was going in the right direction though probably could have been executed better.
I don't think people really read t-shirts and bumper stickers like they used to. Nowadays people who put bumper stickers on their cars usually put 20 or 30. And the t-shirts, with Hot Topic and other chains, that tactic has really become saturated.
I think innovation is the key.
bus stops still work up here
or reallly any place that people are forced to wait with nothing to do
Too bad state government would frown upon it, because the DMV would be the perfect spot. You've gotta wait 2 hours just to get a license plate.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 30, 2007, 02:42:51 PM
I don't wear t-shirts with printed stuff on it, I'm actually noted and known for my BULLSHIT AND REPOST.
Fixed.
Outlandish.
Stickers are good for widely public places and when you are on the move, but plain old bathroom wall graffiti works better than stickers (unless there are some high quality ones with a good adhesive) in the bathroom due to the fact that stickers are easy to pull off. I have been considering doing the bathroom graffiti thing, even though it leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.
T-shirts still work. Yes, Hot Topic, t-shirt hell and Wal-Mart may be saturating the market with them, but I know many people still read them. All the better if they have eye catching pictures. I really don't wear t-shirts that are not plain, solid color ones unless they are completely retarded (literally..."God's love is contagious at Camp Courageous"...feel free to attack me for making fun of them) or actually make me laugh, like some of the Bounty Hunter Inc. ones. I would love to see one with "miscarriage=manslaughter" with a suitable picture. Stickers work here, too.
Just some ideas. For those that want to stray away from the norm of stickers and T-shirts in favor of innovation, there are a few things that come to mind.
http://www.billboardliberation.com/ (http://www.billboardliberation.com/)
I think this has been mentioned here before, but they have done some good stuff, and they tell you how to do it as well.
http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?page_id=76 (http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?page_id=76)
I know this has been mentioned here, in the random links thread I think. The program they use is open source, and, barring the expensive projector and laptop, quite easy to put together.
http://www.banksy.co.uk/ (http://www.banksy.co.uk/)
Then there's plain old spraypaint. Sure, it can be tired, and cliche, but that all depends on how you use it. Although a lot of Banksy's stuff has become cliche(I know three people who have the girl hugging the bomb tattooed on them,) when it gets out there, I'm sure it makes people think. I'm curious though, what's the veiw of Banksy in the U.K.?
Quote from: cyberus on April 01, 2007, 05:10:13 AM
http://www.banksy.co.uk/ (http://www.banksy.co.uk/)
Then there's plain old spraypaint. Sure, it can be tired, and cliche, but that all depends on how you use it. Although a lot of Banksy's stuff has become cliche(I know three people who have the girl hugging the bomb tattooed on them,) when it gets out there, I'm sure it makes people think. I'm curious though, what's the veiw of Banksy in the U.K.?
Underreported in my view here in the U.K., certainly in scotland (he is mostly active in London). I like his stuff, but nobody ever knows what I'm talking about when I mention him, so it's good for messing around with 'Art Critics' conversations.
IMO, this entire approach to meme bombs is questionable.
Step 1 - come up with slogan
Step 2 - put slogan somewhere
Step 3 - feel the powerful aftershocks of the populous'
newfound autonomy trembling in your wake
I mean,
Come
on.
Doesn't that seem just a tad bit ineffective to you?
What makes you think you're doing anything more than
entertaining like minded strangers for a short interval?
Why spend so much time on all these messages if you don't
have a way to measure their efficacy? Or do you?
Or are you even willing to face the possibility that
there's something wrong with your message and/or the
way you transmitted it?
What do you intend to accomplish with these messages and
how will you know you've accomplished them?
Meme bombs are far less important than
what your intended audience makes of them.
How do you know they're getting the right message?
Quote from: Netaungrot on April 01, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
IMO, this entire approach to meme bombs is questionable.
Meme bombs are far less important than
what your intended audience makes of them.
How do you know they're getting the right message?
No certainties, just put it out there and hope for the best.
Like anything, do it long enough and it's awareness will build it's own momentum.
Do it long enough and it becomes background noise you mean?
Familiarity builds contempt. So some old geezer said anyway.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on April 02, 2007, 03:40:54 AM
No certainties, just put it out there and hope for the best.
Like anything, do it long enough and it's awareness will build it's own momentum.
:mullet:
Quote from: Payne on April 02, 2007, 03:45:08 AM
Do it long enough and it becomes background noise you mean?
Familiarity builds contempt. So some old geezer said anyway.
To which Churchhill replied, "Without some amount of familiarity, it is impossible to breed anything."
Of course, this doesn't change the fact that AKK's posts are full of shit and spam.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on April 02, 2007, 03:40:54 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on April 01, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
IMO, this entire approach to meme bombs is questionable.
Meme bombs are far less important than
what your intended audience makes of them.
How do you know they're getting the right message?
No certainties, just put it out there and hope for the best.
Like anything, do it long enough and it's awareness will build it's own momentum.
Keep fucking that light socket, pal.
Quote from: Netaungrot on April 02, 2007, 05:08:40 AM
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on April 02, 2007, 03:40:54 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on April 01, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
IMO, this entire approach to meme bombs is questionable.
Meme bombs are far less important than
what your intended audience makes of them.
How do you know they're getting the right message?
No certainties, just put it out there and hope for the best.
Like anything, do it long enough and it's awareness will build it's own momentum.
Keep fucking that light socket, pal.
:lulz: