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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: AFK on April 11, 2007, 01:39:24 PM

Title: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: AFK on April 11, 2007, 01:39:24 PM
Okay, so, another of my hairbrained schemes is to write a children's book.  I have an excellent resource in my brother who is a crazy good artist.  I'd like to somehow do it from a BIP angle, but not in an overt fashion.  What I need is a central meme or theme that will appeal to children without hitting them over the head, (and keep parents from buying the thing)  Any ideas are welcome. 
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: LMNO on April 11, 2007, 02:01:33 PM
A spark went off.  I will need the help of an illustrator, but I will put a storyboard up soon.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Cramulus on April 11, 2007, 04:24:13 PM
Maybe start by centering it on a traditional kid's book theme, like Teamwork or Working Together or Everybody Play Nice Together or whatever.

Then add a twist at the end where the kid realizes that he's got to break the rules now and then.


I really like this project idea. Incidentally, I'm an asst. editor for ESL elementary-level textbooks, so I could certainly help with writing, text tinkering etc. I could probably find some good images to go along with story.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on April 11, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
i wrote a children's book once for some class assignment in high school where everybody had to write one and then they got put in the public library for a couple weeks.

i got an A, but my book was the only one they decided wasn't suitable to be put in the library :(
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Triple Zero on April 11, 2007, 04:59:44 PM
this is an awesome idea.

just, RWHN, and i know you won't like what i'm gonna say, but make sure it doesn't end up too dark or gloomy ;-)
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: AFK on April 11, 2007, 05:06:47 PM
Nah, besides, Grimm mastered the dark and gloomy for the kids.  And Mother Goose for that matter. 

I'm thinking more along the lines of reinforcing creativity and perhaps spontaneity. 
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on April 11, 2007, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 11, 2007, 05:06:47 PM
Nah, besides, Grimm mastered the dark and gloomy for the kids.  And Mother Goose for that matter. 

I'm thinking more along the lines of reinforcing creativity and perhaps spontaneity. 

that was 400 years ago.

what preschooler these days is acquainted with the real versions of those stories?

children have a mental language distinguishable from adults. much more susceptible, for example, to subliminal advertising.

make the book appeal to adults on the level adults will recognize, but purposely cause it to give children nightmares when they think about being one of the herd.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: AFK on April 11, 2007, 05:16:10 PM
So maybe my main character needs to be a sheep, or a lemming. 
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Triple Zero on April 11, 2007, 05:19:50 PM
"the little black sheep that could" :)

good idea btw
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Cramulus on April 11, 2007, 05:21:39 PM
maybe at the end of the winter, all the birds are like "okay it's time to go back to CANADA" and the main character bird is all like "fuck that, I'm sticking around for SPRING BREAK."
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Adios on April 11, 2007, 06:41:08 PM
This is a good idea. Countering societies programming.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Ambassador KAOS on April 12, 2007, 05:03:44 AM
I have a friend who specializes in children's books and is all about expanding her mind in new directions (it's frequently the theme of her subject matter), I'll have her take  a look at this thread and future story boards for some insight.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
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Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Ambassador KAOS on April 12, 2007, 06:48:47 AM
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Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 12, 2007, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on April 12, 2007, 05:03:44 AM
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Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: AFK on April 12, 2007, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 11, 2007, 06:41:08 PM
This is a good idea. Countering societies programming.

I find, in general, there are a lot of good children's books out there.  I think the more exposure a child has to different ideas the better.  Actively engaging creativity.  Instead of just sitting them infront of an electronic babysitter.  I really think this BIP metaphor lends itself to this medium.  Because I think this is where it all goes horribly wrong.  Kids start off daydreaming about superheroes, little blue creatures, trains, outer space, being a star 1st baseman, etc.  Society gets so hell-bent on making good little workers that this creative spark gets programmed out of them.  What society forgets is that creative spark has fueled so many of the innovations we take for granted today.  It's in our best interest to have 30 year olds who still have the "wide-eyed" thing going on.  Anyway, that's the end of my soapbox for this topic.   
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: that girl on June 13, 2007, 11:33:43 PM
how's the idea coming along?  i've just begun reading through this forum, but i thought this an idea definitely worth pursuing.

i came across a kid's book one day that still has me thinking.  it's about a seven-year-old boy who wants a baby doll - and so he tells everyone he wants a doll, and his dad and brothers give him shit about it, and his dad buys him a basketball, and - in the end - it's like grandma explaining that the kid wants a doll so he can learn how to be a good daddy.  something like that.  this actually seems like the *opposite* of what you are trying to accomplish, to me ... like, you start out with this alternative reality and the explanation is that it's actually a "normal" reality, just done in a different way ...

i've thought of writing children's books, too.  my problem has always been not coming off too cliched or too symbolic/abstract ... so i'm really curious to see what y'all come up with.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: LMNO on June 14, 2007, 01:02:49 PM
Isn't that "A Doll For William" from Free to Be You and Me?


Also, I wrote one somewhere around here.  I'll see if I can bump it.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on June 14, 2007, 06:09:47 PM
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Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: Cramulus on June 14, 2007, 07:27:30 PM
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Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 14, 2007, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 14, 2007, 07:27:30 PM
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Congratulations man, you've just taken WOMP's trademark shoddiness to a new level.

I like it :mittens:
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: AFK on June 14, 2007, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 14, 2007, 07:27:30 PM
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it's making my head go all wonky.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: that girl on June 14, 2007, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 14, 2007, 01:02:49 PM
Isn't that "A Doll For William" from Free to Be You and Me?


Also, I wrote one somewhere around here.  I'll see if I can bump it.

<nods>  i just looked it up.  it's called "william's doll" - and was published in 1972!  i couldn't believe that.  it's pretty timeless.

looking for yours, too.
Title: Re: The Black Iron Crib
Post by: LMNO on June 18, 2007, 03:08:48 PM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=12215.0