In the following story, each ----------- represents a page break. I could really use an illustrator who can draw this for me, please.
This is Johnny.
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Johnny wants to learn about the world.
He decides that his eyes will tell him about the world.
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Johnny sees a bird.
[picture of a sitting bird. Its wings are folded, and it,Äôs blue.]
It is a blue bird.
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[bird flies off. The feathers under its wings are red.]
Oh, no! It is a red bird!
Now Johnny knows that birds are blue and red.
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[bird flies into tree, and perches on a branch.]
Johnny sees the bird,Äôs feet.
Oh, No! They are yellow!
Now birds are blue and red and yellow!
What other kinds of things can birds be?
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[bird flies off, disturbing an apple, which falls to the ground.]
Look, an apple!
The apple is red.
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[Johnny bites into the apple, exposing the interior.]
Oh, no! The apple is white!
And the apple is sweet!
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[Johnny bites into a rotten part of the apple, showing it,Äôs bruise.]
Oh, no! The apple is brown!
And the apple is bitter!
Johnny knows that an apple is red and white and sweet and bitter.
What else is an apple?
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[Johnny leans up against the tree and looks up.]
The tree is rough.
And the tree is tall.
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[Johnny has leaned into a puddle of oozing sap.]
Oh, no! The tree is sticky!
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[Johnny looks up to see a much taller tree.]
Oh, no! The tree is short!
Johnny knows that trees are rough and sticky and tall and short.
What else is a tree?
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[Johnny points to something off the page.]
Johnny sees HIMEOBS.
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[The book simply ends there.]
winnar!
Though I would suggest that we ask anyone but Net to illustrate. We don't want the kiddies having nightmares afterall.
But srsly, I like.
You'll get all the kids asking, "What's HIMEOBS?"
Somehow I picture it ending with Pat Robertson and/or Jerry Falwell ranting and raving.
I have a few other ideas, but I have to work on them.
Can I just say the idea of teaching kids any philosophical or pseudo-religious concepts scares me. Not least because we're straying into Reverend fucking Uncle BadTouch territory (creepy enough on its own) but I think apart from general critical thinking, no-one should be taught about religion outside of its historical influence until at least 13-14.
Do you think the above story wanders into that territory?
Noone should be taught about HIMEOBS.
Evar.
Quote from: Cain on April 11, 2007, 07:22:36 PM
Can I just say the idea of teaching kids any philosophical or pseudo-religious concepts scares me. Not least because we're straying into Reverend fucking Uncle BadTouch territory (creepy enough on its own) but I think apart from general critical thinking, no-one should be taught about religion outside of its historical influence until at least 13-14.
Teach them about charlatans. Poke ridicule at religious teachings. Cast the pope as a rat toothed torso and jesus as a disembodied ranting head.
come to think of it .... maybe I could sell BJS to nickelodeon?
Quote from: LMNO on April 11, 2007, 07:27:47 PM
Do you think the above story wanders into that territory?
Not really, although to a degree, yes, otherwise it wouldn't be in here.
I'm just cautious when it comes to kids and beliefs. I'd rather not be seen to pushing a certain belief system at all. While exposure to various beliefs is fine, I dont think young kids in particular should be given ideas that may be misinterpretated or accepted in a deformed and dogmatic manner. Which is entirely possible with underdeveloped minds.
Yeah, I wasn't gonna go toward the "YOU ARE IN PRISON" or anything like that.
Except for the last page (which was a joke, if anyone didn't realize. I would never include HIMEOBS in a book), it was all about making assumptions about the things you see.
There's a fine line that is crossed somewhere between "Don't pick up the fire" and "say your prayers before you go to bed"
so fine I've no fucking idea where it is
still, I try my best not to cross it when dealing with kids.
kids are information and belief sponges. Besides, their parents are going to teach them something even more retarded.
When I was like 8 I honestly believed that the toilet was alive and that it loved eating my poos. I hung out with it and talked to it when I thought it was lonely. I think my personality today still sort of reflects that.
so like, if we can, hell yeah we should totally melt kids' brains.
Perhaps just the concept of independent thought would work as well.
Its a tricky one to call, I agree. I went to a religious school and while you know I have no particular dislike for Christianity, it was hardly a pleasant experience. They pushed the religious line every chance they got over there. Hence my suspicion on the subject in general.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 11, 2007, 06:58:13 PM
winnar!
Though I would suggest that we ask anyone but Net to illustrate. We don't want the kiddies having nightmares afterall.
But srsly, I like.
Forget the kids, I've got so much on my plate right now I'm having having nightmares.
Though it would be a helluva fun project...
Instead of teaching information by rote such as specific ideaology/philosophy, engage them in conversations and question thier posits and make them think critically?
i think the story is kickass, and actually, i love the HIMEOBS pun .. sad thing if it couldn't be left in ;-)
i can feel Cain's concerns, but in this case i think the story is simple and general enough that the boundary is not crossed. it basically teaches "think for yourself" (or rather "things are not always what they seem"?), even though this is one of the ground beliefs of discordianism, i think it falls along the same category as teaching "thou shalt not steal", which also can hardly be called teaching christianity.
about the pictures, i'm afraid some of them would be too detailed to work as pictures. reading it and imagining the pictures the description feels more like an animated cartoon. imagine the following ideas as one picture (each)
- a bird disturbing an apple which falls onto the ground
- Johnny bites into a rotten part of the apple, showing it’s bruise
- Johnny has leaned into a puddle of oozing sap (especially differentiating between oozing sap and some random off-coloured bit of a tree is hard to do)
i was especially thinking about very simple friendly children's book illustrations, some of this might be too detailed?
maybe it could work as a cartoon/comic, using multiple pictures for one of the ideas in the square brackets (esp. the bird disturbing an apple which falls off, would need two or three pics)
but maybe other graphics artists think they can pull this off (i couldn't, my drawings are always very simple, yet--at least i hope--powerful)
If I have time, and the boss isn't looking over my shoulder, I'll try to do a storyboard.
And Felix, if you notice, the story asks questions of the reader. "What else is a bird", etc. That way you can go off book, and make the kid think of other things a bird "is".
Interesting discussions. I would never envision literally getting a child into the BIP stuff through a book. In fact I wouldn't use any BIP jargon or imagery. I think you can very easily get at BIP concepts without using the literal language and LMNO has already demonstrated that. For me, the idea would be to reinforce the sense of wonder about the world that young children, by their very nature, are full of. I think too often society intervenes and says, okay play time is over, now it's time to get serious. I think the idea is to instill in children, at an early age, that they should never forsake this while they are growing up. Sure, they have to be resonsible when they get older about certain things, but they don't have to check their personality, creativity, and their spark at the door.
I don't think converting kids to BIP is the goal. I think the goal is to get across to kids that they should never stop looking at their world the way they are now.
Good sollid stuff.
Just another angle to think about...
I like the idea of it as also being another introductory brochure for adults too, left at the bus station, pool hall etc...
Something about children's book writing for adults makes them feel nice and cozy. They don't take it too seriously (and thus will be open minded in approach) and will want to over analyze it to see what the point of the thing is.
The trick would be not to dress it up too much like the watchtower (that thingy used by the "we're fucked up on the lord" people) which I know I personally avoid like the plaugue. An inviting title in this respect would work, I think...
Anyhow. my $.02
I have in mind a separate product for parents. I just need to get around to doing it. It appears the wife is planning a girl's night out soon. Once my kiddo is in bed I plan on working on a couple of BIP projects. We'll see how it goes.
...and out come the noseflutes.
Nah, this time I'm thinking kazoo and jaw harp. :evil:
LMNO, nice touch there.
As an aside, maybe this "for children" pamphlet would be more effective for universal use.
People are really stupid.
I'm sure a really good illustrator could put all kinds of hidden visual jokes in there.
Ok, mind if I add a few comments? As a Mom-type person?
The language of the book is very simple...very, juvenile. Even for kids. You can't just pick up this book and know what it's about. It's worded like a 5 year old level book, but the concepts, coming from the author, are way more complex (obviously) and need thought and forethought.
I'm just wondering if you need something MORE with the book, a guide or a visual or even a lead-in introduction that explains why the questions ask what they do, and what possible answers can be given. *shrug*
Otherwise, it's pretty brilliant in its concept and manifestation.
interesting. Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.
forgive the bluntness of the following:
1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?
2. Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 12, 2007, 05:09:36 PM
Nah, this time I'm thinking kazoo and jaw harp. :evil:
I was just playing a harmonica and a jaw harp last night. The fun bit is trying to teach someone else how to use the jaw harp, and watching them almost crack their teeth as they do it all wrong.
Quote from: LMNO on April 13, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
interesting. Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.
forgive the bluntness of the following:
1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?
2. Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?
1. Probably 2d grade and up. Here's why: abstract thinking is a very rudimentary concept in the young. Basically, kids take things pretty literally as a general rule unless they are already attuned to the non-literal. I have one kid who did this at 4, one kid who at 6 is still stuck in the literal world in front of his face. It doesn't mean one is smarter, it's just how they look at the universe and manipulate it for their own gain.
So you have to ask yourself (or not, it's your choice): who are you trying to reach? the already-abstract thinkers by nature (a pretty small group) who might be able to grasp what you are trying to convey? Or the ones who might need a little bit of sidetracking out of the world right in front of them they've been taught to actualize, and then open up a new world for them by just asking them, "is this bird blue or red, and why can't it be both?"...etc.
2. I think I might have touched on the answer to this in the above, but really, it depends on the overall message you want to give out. Do you need subversity? Or is a gentle nudge toward the discordian view all that is needed? What is the overall goal? Seems to me it's a mild introduction for a very juvenile audience.
Let me know if this cleared things up or scared up more questions.
Quote from: LMNO on April 13, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
interesting. Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.
forgive the bluntness of the following:
1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?
2. Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?
1. The idea that this could be adult propaganda as well would probably indicate that the correct age range should probably be whoever is ready to recieve it, be they child adult, or otherwise. Putting it in simple terms is only going to make it more palletable and encourage outside the box thinking.
2. Adding a forward would probably depend on the context it is to be presented in.
If it was to be read to young children the parent or teacher would likely provide an appropriate forward. If it was to be left to be purviewed in public places, the reader would likely decide for themself what it meant.
I endorse keeping the grammar low level for these reasons.
Cain, you want to fix this shit?
I don't think I can, except for in the most obvious way. The permissions all seem to be set up correctly...the only other way would be to hide the forum from guests. Maybe.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on April 16, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 13, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
interesting. Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.
forgive the bluntness of the following:
1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?
2. Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?
1. The idea that this could be adult propaganda as well would probably indicate that the correct age range should probably be whoever is ready to recieve it, be they child adult, or otherwise. Putting it in simple terms is only going to make it more palletable and encourage outside the box thinking.
2. Adding a forward would probably depend on the context it is to be presented in.
If it was to be read to young children the parent or teacher would likely provide an appropriate forward. If it was to be left to be purviewed in public places, the reader would likely decide for themself what it meant.
I endorse keeping the grammar low level for these reasons.
no one cares about your opinion
you've lost that privilage a long time ago
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2007, 08:26:27 PM
I don't think I can, except for in the most obvious way. The permissions all seem to be set up correctly...the only other way would be to hide the forum from guests. Maybe.
Not worth it.
Let's just flame the piss out of him. Or replace his posts with Dick Cheney quotes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2007, 08:36:16 PM
Let's just flame the piss out of him. Or replace his posts with Dick Cheney quotes.
:mittens: on the Dick Cheney quotes.
I would read the DC quotes.
Neat...
I might have a go at this (the illustratin' part) if it's still on.
Sho' 'nuff.
I can write out better descriptors of the pages, or you can just have at it.
If you want, that might make it easier. What about style, do you think it should be fairly detailed or simple? Maybe cartoonish or more "naive", childrens book style? Would you like large, whole page images or just small ones? What about color?
Not saying I can do all of that, but I could try...
Could I interject?
I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go. That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.
I'd stay away from cartoonish. I think Eric Carle's stuff is a good reference point. Simple yet engaging. I'm probably not helping. shutting up now.
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2007, 09:25:42 PM
Could I interject?
I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go. That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.
Sounds reasonable. It also means more work for the illustrator, but hey, I volunteered!
I have zero experience with drawing for kids, btw.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 26, 2007, 09:29:34 PM
I'd stay away from cartoonish. I think Eric Carle's stuff is a good reference point. Simple yet engaging. I'm probably not helping. shutting up now.
Simple perhaps, but I bet there's a lot of work behind it.
Quote from: nurbldoff on April 26, 2007, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2007, 09:25:42 PM
Could I interject?
I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go. That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.
Sounds reasonable. It also means more work for the illustrator, but hey, I volunteered!
I have zero experience with drawing for kids, btw.
Don't draw for the kids. Draw for the material. LMNO's words had a certain...what's the phrase I'm looking for?...appeal to the ideals of the movement. They are simple but yet much more complex than you'd take them for.
So, if the pictures could on the outside seem very simple, but still hold inside them a double, triple, even quadruple meaning, then you illustrate the ideas behind the words. For example, take the bird page--you have a simple bird, somewhat monochromatic to begin with. Then you have the same bird on the next page, but shown in a different perspective to be much more complex, yet still retaining the qualities that were shown originally on the previous page.
Does that make any sense?
Quote from: nurbldoff on April 26, 2007, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 26, 2007, 09:29:34 PM
I'd stay away from cartoonish. I think Eric Carle's stuff is a good reference point. Simple yet engaging. I'm probably not helping. shutting up now.
Simple perhaps, but I bet there's a lot of work behind it.
I don't doubt it. Ever read his
Let's Make a Pancake!? That book is pretty ingenious altogether.
Ok, I'll draw up a script, like they do for comic books.
It'll be finished either today or Monday.
Oh, and I adore Jenne's idea. At first I thought simple, but now I'm thinking Maurice Sendak.
Of course, this is all at Nurb's discretion, as he is generous enough to do the work.
Sounds good. Let me know if you need any more input. You could even make them themed based, as well.
Also, I was thinking about how a lot of kids' books are distilled and simplified. If you're not too tired of the PD, you could take the 23zomgpineal stuff and the BIP barstool stuff and make a series out of that too.
Lots to work with here.
LMNO: Looking forward to it! I really need some project to get me drawing again... I just hope you all aren't expecting too much from me. After all, I'm not a genius.
Jenne: Sure, you're making a lot of sense and I'll keep it in mind! Keep the suggestions coming. When I think about the books I liked as a kid, I think it was often the details in the pictures that fascinated me. They often transcended the words and became interesting stories in themselves. Of course, too much "irrelevant" detail might steal focus from the actual message... or it could send other, parallel messages. Wow, this gets me thinking about Watchmen.
Anyway, I guess we're settled on something fairly detailed and realistic then? That'll take more time, of course. I guess I'll be doing some sketches and posting them just to get feedback on the style.
PAGE 1:
Full page panel. In lower right corner, taking up about a quarter of the page, is Johnny. He looks left. The background is vaguely outside-ish.
TEXT:
This is Johnny.
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PAGE 2:
Page cut horizontally into 2 panels. Top panel: move closer in on Johnny, head and chest.
TEXT:
Johnny wants to learn about the world.
Lower panel is just the bridge of his nose, eyes, and eyebrows.
TEXT:
He decides that his senses will tell him about the world.
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PAGE 3:
Page cut horizontally into 2 panels. Top panel: At right is Johnny, at left is a bird sitting on the ground, wings folded. The bird is almost wholly blue.
TEXT:
Johnny sees a bird.
Lower panel: close-up on the bird.
TEXT:
It is a blue bird.
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PAGE 4:
Two panels. The first covers 75% of the page. It is of the bird flying off. We see the breast, stomach, and the underside of the wings, which are red.
TEXT:
Oh, no! It is a red bird!
Second panel, a close-up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Now Johnny knows that birds are blue and red.
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PAGE 5:
Two panels, split vertically. Left hand panel shows an apple tree, with the bird perched on a branch. The birds red and blue feathers can easily be seen, as well as bright yellow feet.
TEXT:
Johnny sees the bird,Äôs feet.
Oh, No! They are yellow!
Right hand panel shows another close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Now birds are blue and red and yellow!
What other kinds of things can birds be?
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PAGE 6:
Full page. Bird in flight, bright red apple falling.
TEXT:
Look, an apple!
The apple is red.
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PAGE 7:
Two vertical panels. In the first, Johnny has picked up the apple, and is biting into it. NO TEXT.
In the second, close up of Johnny from behind, looking over his shoulder at the apple he is holding. There is a single bite taken out of it, and it is brilliantly white on the inside.
TEXT
Oh, no! The apple is white!
And the apple is sweet!
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PAGE 8:
Two Horizontal panels. The first is the same from-behind shot of Johnny, but now there are two bite marks. The white one is still there, but the other is a rotten brown color.
TEXT
Oh, no! The apple is brown!
And the apple is bitter!
The second panel is a close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Johnny knows that an apple is red and white and sweet and bitter.
What else is an apple?
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PAGE 9:
Full page. Looking down from tree. Up close, the tree branch has rough bark. Far below, Johnny is leaning against the tree.
TEXT:
The tree is rough.
And the tree is tall.
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PAGE 10:
Full page. Close up of Johnny,Äôs arm and elbow pulling away from the tree. Threads of sap run between his arm and the tree.
TEXT:
Oh, no! The tree is sticky!
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PAGE 11:
2 panels, first one takes up 75% of the page. It is a pull-away shot, which shows Johnny, the apple tree, and a much, much taller fir tree.
TEXT:
Oh, no! The tree is short!
Second panel, close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Johnny knows that trees are rough and sticky and tall and short.
What else is a tree?
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PAGE 12:
Full Page. Johnny in profile, pointing to something off page. He has a look of surprise on his face.
TEXT:
Johnny sees HIMEOBS.
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END.
Can't wait to see what nurbldoff does with this. GREAT rendition, LMNO.
Much too drunk to actually have anything meaningful to say but I think I like it. Expect something subtstantial within a few days. Or I'm a loser.
Perhaps even both.
Touch?©.
Okay, here's an attempt at "Johnny". It's is quite simple, almost cartoonish maybe. I like it, but it's possibly not so well suited for closeups etc, being rather stylized. What do you think?
Bear in mind it's a sketch, I mostly want some feedback on the style. More realistic? Less? Something completely different? Also, am I on the right track concerning the character himself? (And yeah, I know his arms are a bit long.)
My scanner is refusing to cooperate atm, hence the crappy photo.
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That works for me. You draw well.
I thank you. I will return, bearing more drawings.
Very cool! He looks a bit clueless, but still like the "everyday man's kid"...can't wait to see the other renderings.
Bumped for That Girl.
News: I'm crap.
I will try again though.
OK, I've finally squeezed out some sketches along LMNO's lines. They're rough, so everything is not in its place, scales are wrong and details are missing etc. I'll rearrange things later. But you get the general idea. What do you think?
Yeah the bird looks like crap, guess I've never really tried to draw birds before.
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:mittens:
that is really drawn very well, nurbldorf!
and IMO, the bird looks pretty good to me, it's a cartoon :) as long as it looks reasonably the same from panel to panel it's okay.
this is great. I think you've got something good going on here. keep up the good work.
Damn.
This is awesome.
Nurb, you deserve massive amounts of praise.
and some glowy mittens
(http://p3nt4gr4m.com/boards/Smileys/default/mittens2.gif)
Great to see more of your work nurb, get that inked already! :D
Thank you all! I know it took me a while to get something going, hopefully I can keep it up a little more, at least 'til it's done... shouldn't be too hard since I really enjoyed it. I should try drawing more from other people's imaginations since my own is a bit crap atm.
So, since it seems nobody had any particular criticisms I guess I'll just keep going in the same direction then. Otherwise feel free to tell me whatever you I might improve/change/add/remove...
Crap. Now I have to look for a publisher.
Quote from: nurbldoff on July 18, 2007, 12:28:57 AM
Thank you all! I know it took me a while to get something going, hopefully I can keep it up a little more, at least 'til it's done... shouldn't be too hard since I really enjoyed it. I should try drawing more from other people's imaginations since my own is a bit crap atm.
So, since it seems nobody had any particular criticisms I guess I'll just keep going in the same direction then. Otherwise feel free to tell me whatever you I might improve/change/add/remove...
I'd say full steam ahead. As a father of a little one, who has read many, many children's books, I can safely say you two are totally hitting the mark. Seriously, I think you guys should find a publisher, I'd be shocked if someone didn't pick it up. Well, there may be some eyebrows raised with the HIMEOBS bit, but otherwise I think you're golden.
http://www.lulu.com/
Doesn't cost anything - it is 'on demand' publishing.
You're welcome.
For kicks I put up the BIP as a LULU book.
http://www.lulu.com/content/1134801
Might make it easy to print 'em, though it's a bit expensive. No royalties, of course. Had to do paperback book format as brochure can't hold enough pages. I'll probably order a few for myself to give to various people.
It might be a good idea to put the PD itself on there. Yes, SJ games publishes one, but our own print-on-demand version might be useful.
Quote from: PeregrineBF on August 23, 2007, 02:55:27 AM
It might be a good idea to put the PD itself on there. Yes, SJ games publishes one, but our own print-on-demand version might be useful.
Synaptix already made a WAY better WAY moar pretty (than the SJ version) hardcover version of the PD on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Principia-Discordia-Magnum-Malaclypse-Younger/dp/1846856043
if there's one thing i hope i'm getting for my birthday ..
ditto. Steve Jackson sucks ass. But only if you say pretty please first.
Ahh, yes, that is much better. Ok, go with that then.
I mostly did BIP to get used to the process of using Lulu, but it might come in handy.
Quote from: nurbldoff on July 17, 2007, 12:13:02 AM
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Any way to get the links to the images fixed? I realize they may have been lost when PD crashed at some point or something. Anyway, I'd love to see the final renderings that were shown ITT.
this should really be finished
Jump in and help, then.
btw, is that Lulu edition of BIP based on the original pamphlet or the revised one?
Truth be told, I have no idea.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on April 11, 2007, 07:39:56 PM
kids are information and belief sponges. Besides, their parents are going to teach them something even more retarded.
When I was like 8 I honestly believed that the toilet was alive and that it loved eating my poos. I hung out with it and talked to it when I thought it was lonely. I think my personality today still sort of reflects that.
so like, if we can, hell yeah we should totally melt kids' brains.
Holy shit, how have I not read this post before? It explains it all!
Bump for Iason.
So was the book ever actually put together?
How did I miss this?
I believe Nurbl turned into a spag, and dropped the ball.
Any illustrators wanna try again?
Here's the script, BTW.
Quote from: LMNO on April 30, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
PAGE 1:
Full page panel. In lower right corner, taking up about a quarter of the page, is Johnny. He looks left. The background is vaguely outside-ish.
TEXT:
This is Johnny.
----------------
PAGE 2:
Page cut horizontally into 2 panels. Top panel: move closer in on Johnny, head and chest.
TEXT:
Johnny wants to learn about the world.
Lower panel is just the bridge of his nose, eyes, and eyebrows.
TEXT:
He decides that his senses will tell him about the world.
---------------
PAGE 3:
Page cut horizontally into 2 panels. Top panel: At right is Johnny, at left is a bird sitting on the ground, wings folded. The bird is almost wholly blue.
TEXT:
Johnny sees a bird.
Lower panel: close-up on the bird.
TEXT:
It is a blue bird.
----------------
PAGE 4:
Two panels. The first covers 75% of the page. It is of the bird flying off. We see the breast, stomach, and the underside of the wings, which are red.
TEXT:
Oh, no! It is a red bird!
Second panel, a close-up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Now Johnny knows that birds are blue and red.
----------------
PAGE 5:
Two panels, split vertically. Left hand panel shows an apple tree, with the bird perched on a branch. The birds red and blue feathers can easily be seen, as well as bright yellow feet.
TEXT:
Johnny sees the bird,Äôs feet.
Oh, No! They are yellow!
Right hand panel shows another close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Now birds are blue and red and yellow!
What other kinds of things can birds be?
-----------------
PAGE 6:
Full page. Bird in flight, bright red apple falling.
TEXT:
Look, an apple!
The apple is red.
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PAGE 7:
Two vertical panels. In the first, Johnny has picked up the apple, and is biting into it. NO TEXT.
In the second, close up of Johnny from behind, looking over his shoulder at the apple he is holding. There is a single bite taken out of it, and it is brilliantly white on the inside.
TEXT
Oh, no! The apple is white!
And the apple is sweet!
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PAGE 8:
Two Horizontal panels. The first is the same from-behind shot of Johnny, but now there are two bite marks. The white one is still there, but the other is a rotten brown color.
TEXT
Oh, no! The apple is brown!
And the apple is bitter!
The second panel is a close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Johnny knows that an apple is red and white and sweet and bitter.
What else is an apple?
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PAGE 9:
Full page. Looking down from tree. Up close, the tree branch has rough bark. Far below, Johnny is leaning against the tree.
TEXT:
The tree is rough.
And the tree is tall.
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PAGE 10:
Full page. Close up of Johnny,Äôs arm and elbow pulling away from the tree. Threads of sap run between his arm and the tree.
TEXT:
Oh, no! The tree is sticky!
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PAGE 11:
2 panels, first one takes up 75% of the page. It is a pull-away shot, which shows Johnny, the apple tree, and a much, much taller fir tree.
TEXT:
Oh, no! The tree is short!
Second panel, close up of Johnny.
TEXT:
Johnny knows that trees are rough and sticky and tall and short.
What else is a tree?
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PAGE 12:
Full Page. Johnny in profile, pointing to something off page. He has a look of surprise on his face.
TEXT:
Johnny sees HIMEOBS.
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END.
Quote from: LMNO on July 25, 2008, 06:47:35 PM
I believe Nurbl turned into a spag, and dropped the ball.
Did not!
GODDAMNIT! I DEMAND to know just where the shitting sweet merciful fuck you have cunting well been!
KNAO DAMMIT!
I've a well established pattern of appearing on the boards once or twice a year to start some stuff I never finish and then disappear again. I'm sure you can see I don't want to throw all that away!
;)
What the hell happened to my attachments? Somebody broke the boards again? Why can't I leave you people alone for even a few months without this happening? :D
This is why we can't have nice things.
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=uj4z9kx4mat&thumb=5 (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=uj4z9kx4mat&thumb=5)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=2g0lm42mqtu&thumb=5 (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=2g0lm42mqtu&thumb=5)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=t9mdugjjdn1&thumb=5 (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=t9mdugjjdn1&thumb=5)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=ldlnaglsbly&thumb=5 (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=ldlnaglsbly&thumb=5)
dammit...links still don't work for me...
Crap it... I'm sure I checked them when I put them up :( I'll find somewhere else to put them.
(http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/bipk01.png)
My attempt for the first page.
What do you think of this style?
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2714/johnnypq5.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2714/johnnypq5.jpg)
Holy fuck.
Clean that apple up, and you win.
What would you like changed about the apple? He doesn't really look like he's holding it, does he?
holy fuck, that's awesome!
The apple, I think doesn't really look too apple-y, it looks more like a big golden ball. And it doesn't look like he's holding it, you're right.
Other than that, fuckin sweet!
That format also seem like a great way to sneak in lots of visual jokes and "occult" (traditional definition) references
I was thinking that too.
Ok, I will fix the apple up tonight. Should it say Kallisti, or no? Too overt?
With a slightly more cubist look, you could slip in a "K". Think the word Kallisti might be too obvious though.
Ok. Will do.
LMNO: What size do you want the pages? And what format and resolution?
Are we actually going to be printing these?
My god, that is awesome and disturbing!
I never really understood the ending to this book, personally.
What would you like people to think about the nebulous HIMEOBS at the end? It's always seemed very abrupt to me.
Hmm, that's a point. LMNO?
I was unsure myself, but here's my conclusion, after months of thought.
By Discordians, For Discordians.
{page opposite last page is blank, with the caption, "What does Johnny See?" written in small type at the top.}
I don't know who in the hell would publish this, but if we can get the images as creepy as Bawheed can get them, the corresponding text might make it a prime candidate for all the goth/emo kids.
Publishing on Lulu might work, if we can get marketing/publicity.
So, dimensions? So I don't waste my time doing a bunch of images and then have to re-do them...
Never underestimate the depths of my laziness.
Fuck, i don't know.
How about 8.5 x 11, but landscaped?
Ok.
I knew a solution would turn up if I just procrastinated enough! Great job, BAWHEED! :D
Hoops, I love it. I hope you move forward with it.
I plan to, I'm just going to wait until this novel is finished first.
Cool! That art you put up is very Danny Elfman-Tim Burtonesque if you don't mind my saying so.
Not at all. However, the artist I was intentionally ripping on was David McKean: http://www.mckean-art.co.uk/ (http://www.mckean-art.co.uk/)
Aha! You've used his stuff for an avie before, amirite? :D Very cool and very provoking. I was thinking you were doing it "James and the Giant Peach" style.
Quote from: Jenne on November 24, 2008, 03:43:40 PM
Aha! You've used his stuff for an avie before, amirite?
Yes, one of his illustrations from a book in the Dark Tower series.
Quote from: BAWHEED on November 24, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jenne on November 24, 2008, 03:43:40 PM
Aha! You've used his stuff for an avie before, amirite?
Yes, one of his illustrations from a book in the Dark Tower series.
Thought so.