You look at someone, and you see a charachter. A personality with identity and uniqueness. Then you look into their eyes, though, and if you look hard enough you won't see a person, so much as an animal, an ape. Not inhuman, but natural and elementally human. For a moment you can glimpse what you really are just by observing another intimately enough. It's trancelike, staring deep at someone's eyes. You get an intuition of what they're thinking and feeling. You know them. It's impossible to think you're hot shit when you're staring at your best friend and seeing a mammal, and knowing inwardly that you're one of those. Some of us get to a point at which we've accepted it and embraced it, and begin to see laughter in everything.
Have you ever watched people doing people things, then superimposed your perceptions with the fact that they're all apes? It makes anything absurd. But why would something so normal be absurd?
That's the key. Everything is absurd. Even boring things.
these are interesting but unpopular observations
keep it going
We should design more paragraphs that draw you in and slap you silly.
it is possible
importance of self or others is easy to exaggerate
some people represent themselves as 'important' and are good at it -- to the point where they get other people believing it too
"see that one over there - hes important"
important as a grain of sand on the beach
on the other hand tho - everybody does rise and fall
some people at their peak can - perhaps - be called 'important'
i dont know how you would gauge that tho
the sun is shining right now - does that make it more important now than it would be if/when it aint shining anymore?
i dunno
its prolly not important
lawls
At a glance what makes things special is thier relevance to oneself. I guess that means perceptivity is based on the ability to ignore one's ego.
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
I think it was....Beyond Good and Evil, where he was waffling on about masks then suddenly talked for about 3 paragraphs on how little character most people have.
can we attribute all that to upbringing and conditioning as well?
and then re-enforcement throughout 'adulthood'?
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2007, 10:34:10 AM
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
Sadly, I often do both.
I am
so not fun at parties.
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2007, 10:34:10 AM
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
I see apes. Fat, stupid apes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 11, 2007, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2007, 10:34:10 AM
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
I see apes. Fat, stupid apes.
Me too - I'm like that little kid in Sixth Sense who saw the dead people. Except with much more hooting and hurling of faeces.
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 11, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 11, 2007, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2007, 10:34:10 AM
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
I see apes. Fat, stupid apes.
Me too - I'm like that little kid in Sixth Sense who saw the dead people. Except with much more hooting and hurling of faeces.
Fuck yeah.
I'm honored to be among such likeminded peers. :roll:
Quote from: Felix on May 11, 2007, 06:15:19 PM
I'm honored to be among such likeminded peers. :roll:
:kojak:
Ook.
Ook ook.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 11, 2007, 04:51:13 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 11, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 11, 2007, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2007, 10:34:10 AM
I never see apes. I do that horrible thing Nietzsche did, seeing people as preconditioned responses to external stimuli, often lacking even a single characteristic they could call their own.
I see apes. Fat, stupid apes.
Me too - I'm like that little kid in Sixth Sense who saw the dead people. Except with much more hooting and hurling of faeces.
Fuck yeah.
Nietchze was racist idealist who was too scared to live what he taught.
From The Genology of Morals...
The Latin malus ["bad"] (beside which I place melas [Greek for "black"]) might designate the common man as dark, especially black-haired ("hic niger est"), as the pre-Aryan settler of the Italian soil, notably distiguished from the new blond conqueror race by his color. At any rate, the Gaelic presented me with an exactly analogous case: fin, as in the name Fingal, the characteristic term for nobility, eventually the good, noble, pure, originally the fair-haired as opposed to the dark, black-haired native population. The Celts, by the way, were definitely a fair-haired race; and it is a mistake to try to relate the area of dark-haired people found on ethnographic maps of Germany to Celtic bloodlines, as Virchow does. These are the last vestiges of the pre-Aryan population of Germany. (The subject races are seen to prevail once more, throughout almost all of Europe; in color, shortness of skull, perhaps also in intellectual and social instincts. Who knows whether modern democracy, the even more fashionable anarchism, and especially that preference for the commune, the most primitive of all social forms, which is now shared by all European socialists -- whether all these do not represent a throwback, and whether, even physiologically, the Aryan race of conquerors is not doomed?) Although he may be racist and similar sounding to the Nazi's, I'm by no means trying to say Neitczhe would support the Nazi's or their beliefs, I don't know enough about him to support that arguement.
Rog, what exactly do you mean by
apes.EDIT: As for the original post by Felix, nice work, some serious mindfuck potential.
Pledge, etc.
Since when did cowass get put on the pledge list?
He's not nearly as annoying as ***.
Memorandum: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=12543.0
I'm not gonna take the pledge on cowass.
However, that shouldn't really make a difference, as I've never responded to his posts anyway.
Righto. I'm pledging both because I think the forums would benefit from thier abscence.
Do you realize that everytime I make a comment(wheter it's spam/trolling or not) the board is automatically spammed with five other people who make "pledge" post. Any annoyance I may cause on a thread is multiplied becuase it's followed by several "pledge" post that make these things uneccasrily long.
I uninetentionally tricked these boards into spamming itself.
You can't teach that.
So does anyone have ideas for other angles along these lines? I'd like to have bigger guns than one-line memes, all we'd need is a paragraphs that identify with people deeply then use that to make them think.
Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2007, 06:45:33 PM
I'm not gonna take the pledge on cowass.
However, that shouldn't really make a difference, as I've never responded to his posts anyway.
I included CowAss for his tendency to use rants as a means to attack the ranter.
you guys are starting to look silly over this.
just saying.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2007, 12:28:04 AM
you guys are starting to look silly over this.
just saying.
Like that's ever stopped us before.
Are you about to start another one of your "It's not fair to pick on shitheads" trips?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2007, 12:28:04 AM
you guys are starting to look silly over this.
just saying.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/lLollercaust.jpg)
???
Felix, interesting thoughts there about how we look into other people and see.
I tend to see us as ants sometimes.
Ants are better organized.
Quote from: Felix on May 11, 2007, 12:32:39 AM
You look at someone, and you see a charachter. A personality with identity and uniqueness. Then you look into their eyes, though, and if you look hard enough you won't see a person, so much as an animal, an ape. Not inhuman, but natural and elementally human. For a moment you can glimpse what you really are just by observing another intimately enough. It's trancelike, staring deep at someone's eyes. You get an intuition of what they're thinking and feeling. You know them. It's impossible to think you're hot shit when you're staring at your best friend and seeing a mammal, and knowing inwardly that you're one of those. Some of us get to a point at which we've accepted it and embraced it, and begin to see laughter in everything.
Have you ever watched people doing people things, then superimposed your perceptions with the fact that they're all apes? It makes anything absurd. But why would something so normal be absurd?
That's the key. Everything is absurd. Even boring things.
I find myself coming closer to observing things like this more and more each day. Especially when observing my kids. They're just like chimpanzees, rolling on the ground fighting over nothing. And everything.
It's absurd and yet makes infinite more sense than anything else out there, really. Apply that observation to what astounds you and you'll find you understand it just that much better.
Of course it's the only thing that makes sense. It's human.
Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2007, 06:19:08 PMOok.
Ook ook.
"ook" is Dutch for "me too".
just a funny observation :D