...the Jim Joneses.
We got warriors blowin' shit up every day in Iraq, while all we do is sit on our asses and pretend to care. Step it up. We got men takin' bullets for G Dub teh prez, of all people. Even Blair at least sacrificed his career. And all we do is build our own little bubble world, just like the politicians have built, but it is truly one universe, and all bubbles must pop, because the universe is no bubble. Step it up. I'm not asking us to kill ourselves for our country. All I'm sayin' is, that if Al Quida and America alike have the courage to face death, then we should at least have the courage to jake the hell into them both.
Just sayin' but I'm doin' it too.
Don't be so vain that you forget your reflection in the mirror of the universe.
Walk ur tawk, tomahawk.
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 12, 2007, 04:20:15 AM
Don't be so vain that you forget your reflection in the mirror of the universe.
yoinked.
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 12, 2007, 04:20:15 AM
...the Jim Joneses.
We got warriors blowin' shit up every day in Iraq, while all we do is sit on our asses and pretend to care. Step it up. We got men takin' bullets for G Dub teh prez, of all people. Even Blair at least sacrificed his career. And all we do is build our own little bubble world, just like the politicians have built, but it is truly one universe, and all bubbles must pop, because the universe is no bubble. Step it up. I'm not asking us to kill ourselves for our country. All I'm sayin' is, that if Al Quida and America alike have the courage to face death, then we should at least have the courage to jake the hell into them both.
Just sayin' but I'm doin' it too.
Don't be so vain that you forget your reflection in the mirror of the universe.
Walk ur tawk, tomahawk.
I know what your saying, but this is a fringe idealist forum, what do you expect?
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 14, 2007, 07:47:42 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 12, 2007, 04:20:15 AM
...the Jim Joneses.
We got warriors blowin' shit up every day in Iraq, while all we do is sit on our asses and pretend to care. Step it up. We got men takin' bullets for G Dub teh prez, of all people. Even Blair at least sacrificed his career. And all we do is build our own little bubble world, just like the politicians have built, but it is truly one universe, and all bubbles must pop, because the universe is no bubble. Step it up. I'm not asking us to kill ourselves for our country. All I'm sayin' is, that if Al Quida and America alike have the courage to face death, then we should at least have the courage to jake the hell into them both.
Just sayin' but I'm doin' it too.
Don't be so vain that you forget your reflection in the mirror of the universe.
Walk ur tawk, tomahawk.
I know what your saying, but this is a fringe idealist forum, what do you expect?
It's a what?
cause Ben deleated his account all the newer people think he's a noob....
:lol:
"Principleist?"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2007, 08:28:31 PM
cause Ben deleated his account all the newer people think he's a noob....
:lol:
I know.
But I still want to know what CowAss meant by "fringe idealists".
TGRR,
Isn't an idealist.
idealist definition-
n.
1. One whose conduct is influenced by ideals that often conflict with practical considerations.
2. One who is unrealistic and impractical; a visionary.
3. An artist or writer whose work is imbued with idealism.
4. An adherent of any system of philosophical idealism.(
yourdictionary.com)
The multiple meanings of this word fit the people of this board quite well.
MEaning 1- Well...duh. Even moreso when you consider what modern western society considers "practical"
Meaning 2- Now, not everyone on this board fits here but a great deal of people do along with many others who are considered fringe. Many of these people use these wacky belief systems (yes, they are wacky, some troof, but definetly wacky) as way to make themselves feel unique and important when really they just can't cope with the reality around them. I say again, not everyone fits this def, but many do.
Meaning 3- Yes, many of us fit this description and some are quite talented.
Meaning 4- Everyone here fits this one in some form or another.
And according to most of America, PD and Co. is considered fringe, hence "fringe idealist."
Mahk!
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2007, 08:28:31 PM
cause Ben deleated his account all the newer people think he's a noob....
:lol:
Guilty.
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 14, 2007, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2007, 08:28:31 PM
cause Ben deleated his account all the newer people think he's a noob....
:lol:
I know.
But I still want to know what CowAss meant by "fringe idealists".
TGRR,
Isn't an idealist.
idealist definition-
n.
1. One whose conduct is influenced by ideals that often conflict with practical considerations.
2. One who is unrealistic and impractical; a visionary.
3. An artist or writer whose work is imbued with idealism.
4. An adherent of any system of philosophical idealism.(yourdictionary.com)
The multiple meanings of this word fit the people of this board quite well.
MEaning 1- Well...duh. Even moreso when you consider what modern western society considers "practical"
Meaning 2- Now, not everyone on this board fits here but a great deal of people do along with many others who are considered fringe. Many of these people use these wacky belief systems (yes, they are wacky, some troof, but definetly wacky) as way to make themselves feel unique and important when really they just can't cope with the reality around them. I say again, not everyone fits this def, but many do.
Meaning 3- Yes, many of us fit this description and some are quite talented.
Meaning 4- Everyone here fits this one in some form or another.
And according to most of America, PD and Co. is considered fringe, hence "fringe idealist."
Mahk!
Okay, so we've established what fringe idealism is. It's the glimmer of hope in Dr. Cowass's lab rats. Thank you for enlightening us. What I'm sayin' is that the fringe is not the minority. All people are somewhat "Bobbed" but only a fraction of people are messianically moronic enough to sabatoge both themselves and the world. Unfortunatley, they're kinda mainstream just because they get all the focus, and the mainstream has become a sewer. Fortunately, it provides the perfect opportunity to give the morons a little nudge into their own shitstream for a good chuckle. Most people are too lazy, too selfish, or too cowardice to take advantage of how stupid some people are, and how much fun they could have pullin fat jakes on all the morons instead of just seething about it. Im guilty of it myself, thinking so much for myself that I don't consider how nice it would be to buy some idiot a new bumper sticker from unamerican.com or send certain somebody's letters from God or some such. I've hardly pulled any jakes over the years, and my rant was as much at myself as it was at people in general.
First, Definitions 3 and 4 are self-reflective (i.e. they use the word in the definition). So, we need only concern ourselves with 1 and 2.
Secondly, as the Barstool experiment shows, pragmatism seems to be a very important part of what this board is about.
Thirdly, the BIP, Machine,Ñ¢, and CON¬Æ memes are mainly based in "realistic" terms and concepts.
Fourthly, non-sequitor humor and non-linear thinking do not automatically mean that said humor or thinking are necessarily "idealistic".
Fifthly, you should know better than to make broad statements about a board that finds such things anathema.
I'd like to go on the record as stating I am not an idealist.
An idealist is one who devotes his efforts to either helping bring about his ideal situation (idealist activist) or jacks off into a sock, in his basement, while fantasising about his ideal situation or bemoaning the injustice inherent in the alternative (sock fucker)
I'm neither of these. I don't have an ideal. I think things are fucked, yes, that's one thing me and brother tubehump have in common but I don't see it as a problem the way some do. And I definitely do not have a solution - you ever hear me say democracy is for idiots then challenge me to come up with something better? I won't. Simple reason - I don't believe in better.
Good and bad = so much bullshit, most of it subjective. In an ideal world I'd laugh at idiots sawing off the branch they're sitting on, whilst hooting and hurling faeces at other idiots. The idealist wants some kind of lameass utopia, where everyone lives in peace and harmony. Call me old fashioned but I just want more of the same pls. There's no entertainment factor for me in watching a bunch of happy people all smiling beatifically at each other. Much better when they're trying to rip each others throats out.
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 01:53:20 PM
First, Definitions 3 and 4 are self-reflective (i.e. they use the word in the definition). So, we need only concern ourselves with 1 and 2.
Secondly, as the Barstool experiment shows, pragmatism seems to be a very important part of what this board is about.
Some people are pragmatic in what they say, less are pragmatic in what they do. Pragmatism is respected and often preached on these boards, but do you honestly think every member- or even most- are practical in the way they approach the issues discussed here in RL? Alot of these people are still kids or young adults, how would they know what's practical or not, especially when confronting the CoN, Machine, etc. Discordianism is still new, still fringe, and relatively still underground. Most of us haven't gained the wisdom that comes with living longer and expiriecing more of life. I admit, I'm impressed with much of the work this community has created, but there's still loads upon loads of shit that has been made the process. Crap that isn't practical, boring, and sometimes not even funny (which is often most important.) Many people come here simply because their fans of PD and RAW, who are both hilariously impractical most (but not all) of the time-And I fucking love them for it.
Although this board may respect and strive for pragmatic ideas/actions, I can't consider it pragmatic, not yet.
Do you even know the average age of the posters on these boards?
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
Do you even know the average age of the posters on these boards?
I'm guessing 25-26 just before anyone works it out 8)
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
Do you even know the average age of the posters on these boards?
No, but I hope to god it isn't between 40-55.
I'm gonna have to say somewhere between 19-24.
Why do you hope to god it isn't?
Just curious.
God can't save you from 40-55 year olds.
No one can!
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 15, 2007, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
Do you even know the average age of the posters on these boards?
No, but I hope to god it isn't between 40-55.
I'm gonna have to say somewhere between 19-24.
WE'RE ALL 50 YEAR OLD BLACK PEOPLES.
BOO!
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 15, 2007, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
Do you even know the average age of the posters on these boards?
No, but I hope to god it isn't between 40-55.
I'm gonna have to say somewhere between 19-24.
Well, I'll give you a little heads up, in a few years I'll be in that demographic so you might want to start running now.
I'm at the upper end of it.
F3AR M3!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking this board skews into the high 20's to mid 30's.
Mid to late 20s, by my estimate. Going by currently active posters.
I'd think TGRR, me, and Pope Tom would tip it a little higher.
And if we could get gnimbley posting again...
I know I'd be pulling the number up a bit, and Mang too I'm assuming. Then of course, Kaou Suu. :wink:
But at any rate, I think the point is made that CA's generalization is way off the mark.
Oh, and ECH, that cranky old bastard.
According to info I'm aware of I would be among oldest 3 on this board.
The rest of you are just impressionable younguns, who's heads we fill with garbage for shits and giggles.
Now listen up good, while I tell ya what's what
//
(http://a-day-in-the-life.powys.org.uk/images/File0017.jpg)
younger people are older because they were born later.
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 15, 2007, 05:10:05 PM
According to info I'm aware of I would be among oldest 3 on this board.
The rest of you are just impressionable younguns, who's heads we fill with garbage for shits and giggles.
Now listen up good, while I tell ya what's what
//
(http://a-day-in-the-life.powys.org.uk/images/File0017.jpg)
I'm #2, afaik.
I'm #3 I'm actually only 3 years old, but being the reincarnation of Baby Jesus, I'm older than the human race, and three times as stinky.
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 15, 2007, 05:34:11 PM
I'm #3 I'm actually only 3 years old, but being the reincarnation of Baby Jesus, I'm older than the human race, and three times as stinky.
I'm 3 days older than dirt.
But prettier.
Teh Mang' ---> 33.
Quote from: Mangrove on May 15, 2007, 05:45:33 PM
Teh Mang' ---> 33.
33 millenia is how long it's taken me to potty train Eris. Still workin' on it.
Quote from: Mangrove on May 15, 2007, 05:45:33 PM
Teh Mang' ---> 33.
PAH! You're still a bloody child. Back in the playpen with you m'lad.
Quote from: Mangrove on May 15, 2007, 05:45:33 PM
Teh Mang' ---> 33.
It's a good age to be. For one more month, anyway.
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Why do you hope to god it isn't?
Just curious.
I still want to see Discordianism grow and wisen up, if all the members are 40-55 it could mean that it's nearing its end rather than just beginning. The CoN has had more than a millennium to gather strength and trick the masses. We've had what forty years? maybe only fifteen where Discordianism has gone through serious growth and reformation/reinterpretation.
I'm not saying the older members are useless, as a matter of fact, it's the opposite. They know the most and hopefully have the most experience with RL application, which is what we really need. They don't have to lead(we don't do that), but they still gotta teach the young if not in political/world philosophy, than on life in general.
But you need the young in the streets if you want something to catch and stay rather than be labeled as an underground movement lasting from 1965 to 2008.
Im 26
and a lot of members are a hell of a lot younger
BTW, I'm 18.
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 16, 2007, 12:39:23 PM
BTW, I'm 18.
18 = half way between sperm meets egg and monkey learns to think
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 16, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Why do you hope to god it isn't?
Just curious.
I still want to see Discordianism grow and wisen up, if all the members are 40-55 it could mean that it's nearing its end rather than just beginning. The CoN has had more than a millennium to gather strength and trick the masses. We've had what forty years? maybe only fifteen where Discordianism has gone through serious growth and reformation/reinterpretation.
I'm not saying the older members are useless, as a matter of fact, it's the opposite. They know the most and hopefully have the most experience with RL application, which is what we really need. They don't have to lead(we don't do that), but they still gotta teach the young if not in political/world philosophy, than on life in general.
But you need the young in the streets if you want something to catch and stay rather than be labeled as an underground movement lasting from 1965 to 2008.
WTF are you talking about? Grow and wisen up? You do realize of course that we here are but one subset of Discordianism right? I think you need to meet more Discordianisms before you play with these generalities. There are Discordians that are hanging out at coffee shops that never come here or anywhere else on the net. There are Discordians that have their own hang out on the net. I think you are basing your assertions on very limited knowledge and experience. I think it is best, perhaps, for you to experience more of life, let alone Discordianism, before you start suggesting what Discordianism needs to do. Seriously.
I think Discordianism needs to STFU.
Srsly.
He also seems to forget that several of the people on this board are breeding.
Talk about getting them while they're young...
Do you have an announcement to make? :wink:
Nope.
Me & the Missus are going to have Robots.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2007, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 16, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Why do you hope to god it isn't?
Just curious.
I still want to see Discordianism grow and wisen up, if all the members are 40-55 it could mean that it's nearing its end rather than just beginning. The CoN has had more than a millennium to gather strength and trick the masses. We've had what forty years? maybe only fifteen where Discordianism has gone through serious growth and reformation/reinterpretation.
I'm not saying the older members are useless, as a matter of fact, it's the opposite. They know the most and hopefully have the most experience with RL application, which is what we really need. They don't have to lead(we don't do that), but they still gotta teach the young if not in political/world philosophy, than on life in general.
But you need the young in the streets if you want something to catch and stay rather than be labeled as an underground movement lasting from 1965 to 2008.
WTF are you talking about? Grow and wisen up? You do realize of course that we here are but one subset of Discordianism right? I think you need to meet more Discordianisms before you play with these generalities. There are Discordians that are hanging out at coffee shops that never come here or anywhere else on the net. There are Discordians that have their own hang out on the net. I think you are basing your assertions on very limited knowledge and experience. I think it is best, perhaps, for you to experience more of life, let alone Discordianism, before you start suggesting what Discordianism needs to do. Seriously.
I understand there's discordians all over. Different kinds, different ages, and hopefully in different cultures. But how old is discordianism? There were many older ideas and philosophies that have discordian characteristics(Nietzsche), but discordianism and its off-shoots have only been around for forty years.
Come to think of it you, LMNO, and a few others are probably the first generation of Discordians. Hell you could even consider me a first generation discordian. Other Religions and Politics (not saying were either) have had more than two thousand years to spray humanity with shit like consumerism, control of thought, and oppressing authority. You think were at the top of our game only after forty years? We know everything we need too? Were done evolving, done changing? ALREADY?
This is what I meant by saying "growing and wising up." I'm not saying were stupid or childish, were just young, you cannot deny that.
Second Gen, most likely.
Vince & gnimbley, most likely first.
Im sure that as far back in the anals of history as you care to dig, for as long as monkeys have been trying to impose order and discipline on their compatriots, there has been a small minority of asshats and fuckheads who see just how hilarious this premise is and endeavour to poke fun at it and otherwise derail the best laid schemes.
In the 60's they gave it a name is all. Troof is the smart primates have been discordian since before they invented language.
If we're actually keeping score, I turn 32 next week.
Semi offical score, dependent only upon actual ages people give (so far, there are 6):
29.3333...
I'd say I'm definitely not first generation, second generation if anything. But I think SC hit the nail on the head. Discordianism is really just a box that contains a collection of thoughts and ideas that I'm sure some people have had over the years. Hill and Thornley were just the first to "categorize" it. I think concentrating on having Discordianism grow up is a wrong focusing of energy. I think just talking about the basics, the "think for yourself schmuck" and the cultural grids ideas, amongst others, is the way to go. I personally, also think the taking seriousness humorously/humor seriously meme is an important one as well.
I could care less if the Discordian label survives going forward. I'm more interested in seeing more elements of society open up to some of its ideas in some way.
Oh, and I'm 31, so I won't budge the avg much.
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 16, 2007, 02:45:50 PM
Im sure that as far back in the anals of history as you care to dig...
I don't think I want to dig in history's anals.
oh, and I'll be 30 in a few months, but due to my unreasonably heavy use of crystal meth and my rabid consumption of Sterno, I look like I'm 73.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 16, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 16, 2007, 02:45:50 PM
Im sure that as far back in the anals of history as you care to dig...
I don't think I want to dig in history's anals.
You do realise that was on purpose, right?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2007, 03:09:33 PM
I'd say I'm definitely not first generation, second generation if anything. But I think SC hit the nail on the head. Discordianism is really just a box that contains a collection of thoughts and ideas that I'm sure some people have had over the years. Hill and Thornley were just the first to "categorize" it.
You see how it has already evolved? The BIP, Church of Sub-Genni, POEE, etc have already grown from or were inspired by PD. The writers of PD probably didn't intend for any of this to happen. The trick is to make sure the basic "think for yourself" principle/right/whatever is never violated or oppressed while this change takes place.
Some may not want Discordianism (or whatever you want to call it) to
grow up, but it will continue to grow and change whether you want it to or not.
So, what's your point, again? That you don't like old people?
god help you if you're old AND black.
Quote from: Dr. Cow Ass on May 16, 2007, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2007, 03:09:33 PM
I'd say I'm definitely not first generation, second generation if anything. But I think SC hit the nail on the head. Discordianism is really just a box that contains a collection of thoughts and ideas that I'm sure some people have had over the years. Hill and Thornley were just the first to "categorize" it.
You see how it has already evolved? The BIP, Church of Sub-Genni, POEE, etc have already grown from or were inspired by PD. The writers of PD probably didn't intend for any of this to happen. The trick is to make sure the basic "think for yourself" principle/right/whatever is never violated or oppressed while this change takes place.
Some may not want Discordianism (or whatever you want to call it) to grow up, but it will continue to grow and change whether you want it to or not.
But what the hell does it mean for Discordianism to "grow up"? To "grow and change"? What is growing? What is changing?
PS - 29.625
TGRR, Suu, & Silly haven't checked in yet.
Suu is forty.
TGRR is really a 19 year-old crossdresser from Paramus, NJ.
Silly's age is measured in metric. He's about 13 kiloyears old.
How many grains is that?
And do you have Suu's age in drams?
I'm 25
but I act like I'm 666
21
But y'all already knew that.
Way to fuck up the curve, you little snot.
:thanks:
Roger will cancel me out.
I doubt he'll honestly answer the question.
22. I was waiting for someone younger than me to post before I did.
Thanks, Cain!
I think noodle is the youngest if memory serves.
And yet, she is our Master.
Idem is younger than Noddle, IIRC.
That explains a lot, actually.
LMNO
-Age-ist.
Leave it for Discordians to turn that whole "respect your elders"meme on it's ear.
For what it's worth, I turn 31 in a couple weeks.
Now, what the hell was the point of the discussion again? Are we moving "Discordianism" (whatever the hell THAT happens to be) forward here? Maybe sideways? Maybe nowhere? And what does age have to do with it anyway? If it's only "old people", that "first" 60s generation that spewed the PD on the masses, then it would never change. The fact that at least SOME of the concepts (none of which are remotely new) are getting picked up, adapted, and reissued in new clothing means that the concepts resonate at least in part with current issues and attitudes.
Is THAT "growing up"? If not, define your freaking terms or stop wasting everyone's time with a discussion that even you seem to contradict yourself with.
Discordia for Old People
1. sermons composed almost entirely of complaints about how Discordia's changed for the worse
2. you get to become really religious right before you die (also known as "cramming for finals")
3. more fire and brimstone than Discordia For Kids
4. "Back in my day, Eris used to keep a chilly dagger in her bosom for punk kids like you"
5. Eris' gift to her loyal followers is complete senility
Senility - Don't knock it til you've tried it
Cain. Noodle and Idem are dropping the avarage age and making me feel less young and fertile
Alright, we need Gnimbley stat!!!!
I'm sure if we can get Tom, TGRR, and Suu here, we can bump it back up (currently 28, with 12 people responding).
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2007, 07:49:49 PM
Alright, we need Gnimbley stat!!!!
He doesn't want to hang out with us kids.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 16, 2007, 07:13:41 PM
Discordia for Old People
1. sermons composed almost entirely of complaints about how Discordia's changed for the worse
2. you get to become really religious right before you die (also known as "cramming for finals")
3. more fire and brimstone than Discordia For Kids
4. "Back in my day, Eris used to keep a chilly dagger in her bosom for punk kids like you"
5. Eris' gift to her loyal followers is complete senility
:lulz:
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 16, 2007, 07:46:31 PM
Cain. Noodle and Idem are dropping the avarage age and making me feel less young and fertile
I'm 21 as well.
a couple weeks to 28
27.5 (14 people)
26?
or wait, that's later this year.
25.
okay, I'll be the jackass.
Are we going to get everyone's location later? :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/STFU/STFUhosh3.jpg)
im 23 and 7 months.
Fuck, praise be this didn't pop up last month, 23.5 would be a bad age to declare yourself in these here parts.
53.
That's what I'm talking about!
26.
for your statistics people
30. Probly bout time for a midlife catastrophe. Maybe I should work for the government.