Ok, I posted this as a reply in apple talk, but I realised a moment later that I just typed up a great rant, so I'm reposting it here for good measure cus I haven't actually yet provided a rant to this great section and I'm working on trying to upstage TGRR ;)
Yeah, Umn, hellooooo, we're DISCORDIANS HERE.
You know, ones who are not under the authority of the authorities...
Like, we make up the rules as we go along, and realise that politics is simply a 2 man con made to only truly benefit the politicians and business' that fund politicians campaigns.
There is no real definition of the discordian movement. We are the great collection of whatever the fuck we wanna be, we are the religion with a punch line, we are the TGRR's, and the AKK's (Sorry, but you know it kinda does have to be said).
Fuck definition. Fuck the left wing hippies and fuck the right wing religious conservatives, fuck the law, fuck morality, fuck poverty, fuck business, fuck socialism, fuck capitalism, fuck marxism, fuck the monarchy, fuck despotism, fuck everything, no system is ever perfect, if you stick to an ideology about the way things should work, and all you can see is that, then you miss all the opportunities to rort that system that's around you.
If there's something you want, TAKE IT, don't whinge about the fact that you don't have something, figure out how you can get what you want, just be fucking SMART about it.
A discordian is just as likely to wave the flag of establishment as they are to wave the flag of anti-establishment, a discordian can say that we as humans should fuck technology and money and just go back to nature, and that would be right, a discordian can say we should take advantage of the stupidity of humanity and capitalise and grow rich, and that would also be right.
Discordianism is whatever works for you, as you find it necessary, so that you can live your life the way you see it fit.
And discordians can completely disagree with everything I've just said, and yeah, they'd be right too.
The only real sin you can commit in discordianism is to speak in absolutes about discordianism. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THAR?
:eek:
I don't think you're Lys at all, I think you are some kind of very angry clone of Lys!
I Have to say also, I can't really think of anything to write in response to this right now (perhaps im too sober), but I will at some point.
keep it rollin Lysergic
I got wood.
cheers for having the nut to say something controvercial in the face of diversity.
:mind ray:
I'm using this icon because I just discovered it.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
Ok, I posted this as a reply in apple talk, but I realised a moment later that I just typed up a great rant, so I'm reposting it here for good measure cus I haven't actually yet provided a rant to this great section and I'm working on trying to upstage TGRR ;)
Good on ya. More for me to read.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
There is no real definition of the discordian movement. We are the great collection of whatever the fuck we wanna be, we are the religion with a punch line, we are the TGRR's, and the AKK's (Sorry, but you know it kinda does have to be said).
No sweat. I see no problems with being bookends with that dumbshit. Sort of implies that I'm on the exact opposite end of the spectrum.
Bookends operate on the same plane of elevation, albeit very far apart.
2 bookends are also required to perform their intended function appropriately.
I'm actually amused to see Roger not attempting to prove his superiority for once. It's almost as if he's behaving in a non-predictable fashion...
Cheers to you Roger.
Perhaps it doesn't indicate any personal growth from your perspective, but it's the first time I've seen any indication of proper respect from you concerning myself, albeit marred with your derrogitory insults.
Not to worry though, I've come to acknowledge your silly witticisms as praise to my greatness.
It's getting pretty deep in here, better get my hip waders.
:mrgreen:
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
The only real sin you can commit in discordianism is to speak in absolutes about discordianism. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THAR?
:lulz:
That line almost made coffee come out my nose.
Oh, they like it! They really like it!
Wow. Getting 4 positive reviews for a story I wrote feels 100 times better then getting 200 flames for another story i wrote.
Although, to be honest, the flames were funnier. But this is a feed to my ego. Which I think I enjoy a lot more.
Careful guys, my heads getting so big now I'm going to have trouble getting through the door now, you fucks.
Are you on a particularly tainted batch of meth today, Lys?
You seem quite jumpy and paranoid. Well, more than usual.
Yeah, are you okay Lys? You seem sorta agitated.
that'll be the paint fumes...
Quote from: Random Probability on May 21, 2007, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
The only real sin you can commit in discordianism is to speak in absolutes about discordianism. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THAR?
:lulz:
That line almost made coffee come out my nose.
That really made my day random. So nice after having such a stress filled 48 hours for someone to appreciate my sense of humour and wit, personally, I was particularly proud of that line so I'm really glad I made you lose coffee from that.
For both the fact I know it hit its mark and that you have coffee all over you that escaped from your nostrils. That would have been such a kodack moment.
Quote from: LMNO on May 21, 2007, 05:43:11 PM
Are you on a particularly tainted batch of meth today, Lys?
You seem quite jumpy and paranoid. Well, more than usual.
Well, let me put it this way- I've been up 48 hours, working my fucking ass off, and I also had to deal with 2 government agencies today, which only piled on more stress.
I've just got a lot of tension that I need to release now.
You guys were the closest thing I could abuse.
And I don't get dirty street meth. I get my amph from the government.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 05:48:25 PM
Well, let me put it this way- I've been up 48 hours, working my fucking ass off, and I also had to deal with 2 government agencies today, which only piled on more stress.
can understand
i have enought trouble dealing with one agency
Everything, nothing, and half of everything in between. Very cool rant, Lys. Now get some fucking sleep already.
I thought it was an excellent rant.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 21, 2007, 02:43:48 AM
Ok, I posted this as a reply in apple talk, but I realised a moment later that I just typed up a great rant, so I'm reposting it here for good measure cus I haven't actually yet provided a rant to this great section and I'm working on trying to upstage TGRR ;)
Yeah, Umn, hellooooo, we're DISCORDIANS HERE.
You know, ones who are not under the authority of the authorities...
Like, we make up the rules as we go along, and realise that politics is simply a 2 man con made to only truly benefit the politicians and business' that fund politicians campaigns.
There is no real definition of the discordian movement. We are the great collection of whatever the fuck we wanna be, we are the religion with a punch line, we are the TGRR's, and the AKK's (Sorry, but you know it kinda does have to be said).
Fuck definition. Fuck the left wing hippies and fuck the right wing religious conservatives, fuck the law, fuck morality, fuck poverty, fuck business, fuck socialism, fuck capitalism, fuck marxism, fuck the monarchy, fuck despotism, fuck everything, no system is ever perfect, if you stick to an ideology about the way things should work, and all you can see is that, then you miss all the opportunities to rort that system that's around you.
If there's something you want, TAKE IT, don't whinge about the fact that you don't have something, figure out how you can get what you want, just be fucking SMART about it.
A discordian is just as likely to wave the flag of establishment as they are to wave the flag of anti-establishment, a discordian can say that we as humans should fuck technology and money and just go back to nature, and that would be right, a discordian can say we should take advantage of the stupidity of humanity and capitalise and grow rich, and that would also be right.
Discordianism is whatever works for you, as you find it necessary, so that you can live your life the way you see it fit.
And discordians can completely disagree with everything I've just said, and yeah, they'd be right too.
The only real sin you can commit in discordianism is to speak in absolutes about discordianism. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THAR?
so, discordianism is everything and nothing?
how deep.
Note this line-
Discordianism is whatever works for you, as you find it necessary, so that you can live your life the way you see it fit.
that's retarded. that would mean that there's no such thing as discordianism, since something that (by definition) could be ANYTHING is completely meaningless.
ECH, are you just going to hold a grudge for the sake of holding a grudge or do you think you are actually giving some constructive criticism of my rant?
Just fucking grow up dude, I'm over that stupid thread, and I've got nothing against you if you just take off that stupid hat of yours that seems to be so tight its constricting the blood from getting to your brain.
Look, I'll say it once more, just for good measure, I'M SORRY.
Ok?
Are you at ALL familiar with the concept of winning gracefully?
I mean fuck, just because you own the board doesn't give you the right to be an ass hole for no real good reason.
The fact that I'm a fucking YETI gives me the right to be an asshole to YUO. Fucko.
However, regarding your rant, my criticism is, IMO, valid.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 23, 2007, 04:19:25 PM
ECH, are you just going to hold a grudge for the sake of holding a grudge or do you think you are actually giving some constructive criticism of my rant?
Just fucking grow up dude, I'm over that stupid thread, and I've got nothing against you if you just take off that stupid hat of yours that seems to be so tight its constricting the blood from getting to your brain.
Look, I'll say it once more, just for good measure, I'M SORRY.
Ok?
Are you at ALL familiar with the concept of winning gracefully?
I mean fuck, just because you own the board doesn't give you the right to be an ass hole for no real good reason.
Actually, I'd say the same thing.
Because, if I used your definition, if I saw it fit to live my life as a Scientologist, or a Born-Again Fundamentalist Baptist Christian, that would be Discordianism.
Ok, ok, fair enough then- To that I would say, yeah, you're right, it is a very loose thing.
But that's what I'm saying- Discordianism doesn't have a real definition.
That's why I said it would be wrong to speak of discordianism in absolutes.
And yeah, you're both right then.
That is why there is a school of discordian thought that says that all people are discordians, they just don't realise it, and all people are agents of the goddess, they just take orders from what they believe are different gods, when of course it's just Eris, dressing up as other gods to perpetuate chaos.
Those who choose to call themselves discordian, are the ones who see this effect going on, and this gives us the power to follow our own catma, and challenge the beliefs of everyone else.
Which of course, all boils down to "Think for yourself, schmuck".
In any case, I think that rant has all bases covered by me saying there are those who are going to disagree and think what I'm saying is wrong, and in that, they'd be right.
Oh, circular logic and paradox, you gotta love it.
I don't think it can be that loose however.
I think you can have a Christian Discordian but I don't believe you can say a Christian is a Discordian. Unless of course you think of Discordianism as a literal religion, in which case you've basically turned into another form of Universalism.
I agree to a certain degree that Discordianism really can't be boiled down to a concrete textbook definition. At the same time, I'm not sure it's the wild west either.
Which is why I started this out with "principles", and not commands or tenets of faith.
They seemed to be the 3 things we talk about/reference/interpret/argue.
you have to have a kind of meta-framework. discordianism isn't something rigidly defined. technically, yes, it could be 'anything.' but the fact of the matter, at least now while it's a relatively unknown philosophy, anybody who calls themselves Discordian are probably not going to be scientologists or fundamentalist baptists. the idea that anything can be true is what divides discordians from those people. it isn't that Scientology or Fundamentalism is naturally "wrong," but recognizing that both (and neither) can be true. someone who is a strict fundamentalist isn't a Discordian, because they lack the ability to accept the validity of philosophies opposed to their own.
Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?
splitting semantic hairs here, I think.
this thread is starting to remind me of this thread http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11770.0
someone should bump it... it had so much potential
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 23, 2007, 05:12:06 PM
Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?
splitting semantic hairs here, I think.
No, especially if you are talking about making others aware of Discordianism. The word religion can evoke all sorts of connotations to an individual. In fact, a couple of folks who used to post here thought the BIP was looking too religion-like and they didn't want anything to do with it. For the record, I think they didn't really understand what we were doing, but you can see what kind of an affect that "religion" idea can have on people.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 23, 2007, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 23, 2007, 05:12:06 PM
Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?
splitting semantic hairs here, I think.
No, especially if you are talking about making others aware of Discordianism. The word religion can evoke all sorts of connotations to an individual. In fact, a couple of folks who used to post here thought the BIP was looking too religion-like and they didn't want anything to do with it. For the record, I think they didn't really understand what we were doing, but you can see what kind of an affect that "religion" idea can have on people.
Troof.
People tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to the word "religion," not necessarily because of religion itself, but because of connotations and associations. Just see the thread on superstition/religion/spirituality. With the way people tend to respond to religion, I feel like one might do better describing Discordianism as a cult. :wink:
'cult' is has many of the same trappings. It seems to be generally described as a 'movement' which is a bit more vague and carrys less negative connotations.
DO NEVAR CALLED DISCORDIANISM A CULT, IT IS A LEGITAMITE RELIGION ESTABLISH BY A B-GRADE SCIENCE FICTION WRITER.
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 23, 2007, 07:03:34 PM
'cult' is has many of the same trappings. It seems to be generally described as a 'movement' which is a bit more vague and carrys less negative connotations.
Cult does have lots of negative connotations. But tends to also carry with it an element of the ridiculous and/or laughable. And everyone likes a good lail now and again.
I would not describe Discordianism as a cult in any serious sense, but I would just for the fun of it sometimes.
"Gaggle of Asshats".
I always describe Discordianism as a cult.
I feel more honest that way (and its a subtle dig at every other cult ie; so-called established religion).
Quote from: Cain on May 23, 2007, 07:12:42 PM
I always describe Discordianism as a cult.
I feel more honest that way (and its a subtle dig at every other cult ie; so-called established religion).
I heard that. That's why I refer to xianity and turbania as 'very successful cults'
I reserve the term "cult" for christians and use it continuously. This is especially fun in book stores, btw (specifically christian book stores).
If anyone asks what discordianism is, I just make contradictory statements until they get hopelessly confused.
Cult of Asshat Personalities
:lulz: TURBANIA? :lulz: Soooo yoinking and using THAT!
You've known me for 5 and a half months and you've never heard me say "turbaniacs" before?
Holy shit I'm slipping :eek:
Yes, or I've been ignoring you.
(1st one is more likely, who can ignore Teh SillyMeister, after all?)
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 23, 2007, 07:29:58 PM
You've known me for 5 and a half months and you've never heard me say "turbaniacs" before?
Holy shit I'm slipping :eek:
I never heard it either. Yoinked.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/turbaniac.jpg)
In the words of god's favourite little bastard - "Pay fuckin attention"
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 23, 2007, 07:46:19 PM
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/turbaniac.jpg)
In the words of god's favourite little bastard - "Pay fuckin attention"
I never bother with those freads.
And...turbaniac = / = turbanism
I like the second better. Sorry.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2007, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 23, 2007, 07:46:19 PM
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/turbaniac.jpg)
In the words of god's favourite little bastard - "Pay fuckin attention"
I never bother with those freads.
I seem to remember you posting in one of them. Something about writing a script for disembodied head puppet...
'turbania' (sounds like 'mania')
practitioner - 'turbaniac'
'turbanism' does not sound lunatic enuff
but hey, yoink away, thats half the reason I go to the trouble of posting anything
I think that's why I like turbanism better...it encompasses the asshats AND the nonasshats of the turbanist movement.
YUO GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF ASS TURBANS
Quote from: Jenne on May 23, 2007, 08:36:37 PM
I think that's why I like turbanism better...it encompasses the asshats AND the nonasshats of the turbanist movement.
Who you gonna call?
//
:hashishim:
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 23, 2007, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: Jenne on May 23, 2007, 08:36:37 PM
I think that's why I like turbanism better...it encompasses the asshats AND the nonasshats of the turbanist movement.
Who you gonna call?
//
:hashishim:
Uh...DurkaDurkas Are Us?
Quote from: Lysergic on May 23, 2007, 07:09:15 PM
DO NEVAR CALLED DISCORDIANISM A CULT, IT IS A LEGITAMITE RELIGION ESTABLISH BY A B-GRADE SCIENCE FICTION WRITER.
:mittens:
ECH,
still hates you, though
Discordian ideals = KILL THE WORLD!
Discordianism is the reason the revolution was kicked off the airwaves.
Discordianism is an asstastic stream of illuminous shit slurpies.
Discordianism is shit, and the only reason I still addict to these ass toads is that somehow they manage to make the best Jenkem (http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/406067.stm) out of the mess.
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 25, 2007, 04:02:49 AM
Discordian ideals = KILL THE WORLD!
Discordianism is the reason the revolution was kicked off the airwaves.
Discordianism is an asstastic stream of illuminous shit slurpies.
Discordianism is shit, and the only reason I still addict to these ass toads is that somehow they manage to make the best Jenkem (http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/406067.stm) out of the mess.
It's called Butthash. Butthash.
Although, I think AssHash sounds more pleasing to the ear.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 25, 2007, 04:32:43 AM
Quote from: Benaclypse on May 25, 2007, 04:02:49 AM
Discordian ideals = KILL THE WORLD!
Discordianism is the reason the revolution was kicked off the airwaves.
Discordianism is an asstastic stream of illuminous shit slurpies.
Discordianism is shit, and the only reason I still addict to these ass toads is that somehow they manage to make the best Jenkem (http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/406067.stm) out of the mess.
It's called Butthash. Butthash.
Although, I think AssHash sounds more pleasing to the ear.
In my slackless state, I have been too busy to keep up.
Please to define Butthash. So far, all I've seen are some gifs.
Its come from the news story that kids in africa are putting raw sewage into bottles and getting high off the fumes.
It took on a life of it's own when Silly coined the term butt hash some where or other, and it started a flurry of pics as you have seen.
Quote from: Payne on May 25, 2007, 04:40:33 AM
Its come from the news story that kids in africa are putting raw sewage into bottles and getting high off the fumes.
It took on a life of it's own when Silly coined the term butt hash some where or other, and it started a flurry of pics as you have seen.
Ah, okay.
I was afraid I was gonna have to kill a motherfucker.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2007, 04:42:21 AM
Quote from: Payne on May 25, 2007, 04:40:33 AM
Its come from the news story that kids in africa are putting raw sewage into bottles and getting high off the fumes.
It took on a life of it's own when Silly coined the term butt hash some where or other, and it started a flurry of pics as you have seen.
Ah, okay.
I was afraid I was gonna have to kill a motherfucker.
You still can, no ones stopping ya.
Quote from: Lysergic on May 25, 2007, 04:43:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2007, 04:42:21 AM
Quote from: Payne on May 25, 2007, 04:40:33 AM
Its come from the news story that kids in africa are putting raw sewage into bottles and getting high off the fumes.
It took on a life of it's own when Silly coined the term butt hash some where or other, and it started a flurry of pics as you have seen.
Ah, okay.
I was afraid I was gonna have to kill a motherfucker.
You still can, no ones stopping ya.
Well, yeah, but it's my day off.
Butthash=
(http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/73/B00060NBBY.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg/180px-B00060NBBY.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
It's a jpeg.
Ok, I'm new, sort of.
I've been discordian for about 4 or 5 years. That means I've been a shut-in, around here: I definately feel like a cyclops in the land of the blind. This is a cry for help. I just need some response from a relative like minded individual, that will do for now. If i can get that I will be willing to work with the "apparent" community I suspect here. Someone give me a greeting I am saying HELLO.
or write to maybelogic@gmail.com
how did i get this nick? lucky or destiny?
M.L.R.M.L.D.F.L.U.A.M.H.
Oh, is this the post you were talking about in Appletalk?
In that case: Hiya, kid. Welcome to Prison.
Hey Maybe
ARRR WELCOME ABOARD
a cyclopean shut-in?
you're in good company.