www.principiadiscordia.com
might need to hit refresh.
This is crams edition of the black iron prison and still needs tweeking as well as a table of contents made but otherwise its up.
please point out all the stuff thats wrong with it and I will work on fixing it as fast as possible
first off,
:mittens:
second,
Page 16 - "and it is increasing rapidly" is too high. It should be the last line of the page.
Page 17 - background image is tiled but it should be centered or stretched or something.
general - in a few places, the words run right up against the margin. I think it would look better with a half inch of white space.
all in all, great work!
Swote.
A related matter, but my comments at the side of the links were meant for the people looking at them here. They look a little...out of place, on the page like that. Just a minor quibble, but it seems a little jarring.
what do you mean cain I dont follw.
page 16 and 17 edited.
This is awesome. Thanks Faust, for getting this front page up and running.
I was just pointing out the link on it.
Quote from: faust on December 09, 2007, 02:33:32 AM
what do you mean cain I dont follw.
page 16 and 17 edited.
Sorry, I'm a little over the place right now. I meant this page http://www.principiadiscordia.com/links.php since we were on main site issues. I reckon the site names alone should be enough.
oh ok, lol. will remove.
I did say hit refresh right, just making it clear there is now a bip link the front page nav bar
yeah i see it. great work!
first thing i can point out that's wrong is that the other links at the frontpage have a slight blurred drop-shadow to them, while the new BIP link doesn't have that.
it's a real tiny detail feel free to ignore it :) but you asked for critique
By the way,
when I was designing the new BIP booklet, the front cover was the last thing I did. I really liked the old art that we had on the cover, and I would vote for having that instead of the eye-and-pyramid that we have on the BIP website (which I think is cool too). How do you guys feel about that graphic?
yeah, I had to manually chop up that image, it was hard enough to do without the shadow.
I will probably make the table of contents for it tomorrow or something.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on December 09, 2007, 11:47:51 PM
By the way,
when I was designing the new BIP booklet, the front cover was the last thing I did. I really liked the old art that we had on the cover, and I would vote for having that instead of the eye-and-pyramid that we have on the BIP website (which I think is cool too). How do you guys feel about that graphic?
I really like the eye but I can change it if people like.
small note:
the front page makes reference to the principiadiscordia.com store. Since it's gone, that text should probably be deleted.
also:
Could we use a different font for text? Anything but Arial or Times New Roman. IMHO the only thing worse than those two is comic sans.
IMPACT
seriously though suggestions for font that are not impact.
I removed the store text.
Different fonts for different pages?
Like perhaps for the BIP pages, fonts that are suited for the tone of the writings?
More bland, normal looking fonts for pages that have a informational tone, and more IMPACTFUL ones for those hard-hitting essays.
But of course, I've always liked Book Antiqua.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/bip/3.php
Page 3, paragraph 4 in the BIP (this includes all available versions of it) has a typo:
QuoteAnd on the left, without economic freedom, social freedom was nothing, as money is a large pat of the social structure.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on December 09, 2007, 11:47:51 PM
By the way,
when I was designing the new BIP booklet, the front cover was the last thing I did. I really liked the old art that we had on the cover, and I would vote for having that instead of the eye-and-pyramid that we have on the BIP website (which I think is cool too). How do you guys feel about that graphic?
I agree. Plus it provides a nod to the original version.
Quote from: Pope Naughty Nasturtiums on December 10, 2007, 04:36:19 AMDifferent fonts for different pages?
Like perhaps for the BIP pages, fonts that are suited for the tone of the writings?
More bland, normal looking fonts for pages that have a informational tone, and more IMPACTFUL ones for those hard-hitting essays.
But of course, I've always liked Book Antiqua.
about fonts
- "Anything from 45 to 75 characters is widely regarded as a satisfactory length of line for a single-column page set in a serifed text face in a text size. The 66-character line (counting both letters and spaces) is widely regarded as ideal. For multiple column work, a better average is 40 to 50 characters." [http://webtypography.net/toc/ -- VERY cool website]. and IMO, on the web, line length could be a bit on the longer side, so leaning to 70 characters or so.
- once you widened the line-length, you probably want to increase the line-height (CSS property) to 1.25 or even 1.5, to set the lines a bit further apart for better legibility (the default value for line-height is really cramped, for some reason).
- in general sans-serif fonts (like Arial, Verdana, etc) are easier to read on a computer screen for body text, while serif-fonts look prettier on a computer screen for headings etc. (and for some reason, this is exactly the other way around with text printed on paper).
- one you increase the line-height and made the lines a bit longer, you may find that Times New Roman doesn't look that cheesy anymore.
- i would suggest against Book Antiqua, because this font is not available by default on every computer. in fact the only other generally-available option for a serif font on the web seems to be Georgia. so, in theory, you could specify font-family: "Book Antiqua", Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; to specify font families in order of preference/availability.
- for a sans-serif font i often use Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif (i forgot if it was Verdana or Tahoma which looks most like Helvetica)
- also i'm gonna make a point against using many different fonts. they did this in the original PD because back in those days it was funky and zany to do it like that. today's day, it just looks amateuristic, IMO. especially for a serious text like the BIP. pick a few common design elements (headings, body text, inset, etc) and use two or three different fonts for those.
(Netaungrot please correct me if i'm wrong here, as you seem to know more about this stuff than i do)
one remark/mistake about the BIP book in general: the title of the webpages is still named "Principia Discordia - Page X".
Fixed the typo, and the title bar. gonna have a look at fonts now.
Faust is a guest?
Yeah, using too many and too varied fonts would look ridiculous. However, many of the BIP's essays and rants have very varied writing styles and voices, and I think that using different fonts (subtly, of course) could enhance this. Perhaps using similar fonts from similar families?
Any design element has the potential to either look good or bad depending on how you use it. Another factor is deciding what kind of look we want for the BIP pages...
I've always been a fan of helvetica and its most similar siblings.
I really love Chicago. It looks like it would cut your hands off without thinking twice.
000 is on point with the typography.
The only thing I would add is to make sure your margins are consistent on all pages.