After 20 years of being the tobacco companies' bitch, I have decided to quit the evil habit...
I'm not exactly trusting of the pharma's either, so I am looking for more natural solutions to counteract the ill effects of suddenly dropping a 20 year habit.
Posting here helps keep my hands busy, replaces the 15 minute time-outs that smoking provides and has been a first step.
I am taking red clover for its cleansing properties as well as keeping a high garlic diet for the same purpose.
Using Valerian Root and St. John's Wort for the moody effects.
Any ideas beyond this? The folks at the local GNC weren't much help and on-line is filled with pharma bs...
Your body is cleansed of the physical addiction in about a week, maybe 2.
The mental addiction is forever. Well, pretty close to forever.
If there is an herbal remedy for psychological withdrawl, it hasn't made itself well-known.
Polonium-20
Quote from: Felix on January 22, 2008, 05:45:45 PM
Polonium-20
Could you send me a sample?
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:lulz: 'k
suck it up ya squat to pee sissy!
no, i'm kidding.
i can't quit.
i'm too lazy to try.
Quote from: LMNO on January 22, 2008, 05:07:11 PM
Your body is cleansed of the physical addiction in about a week, maybe 2.
The mental addiction is forever. Well, pretty close to forever.
If there is an herbal remedy for psychological withdrawl, it hasn't made itself well-known.
Some evidence indicated Iboga aka Ibogane was useful in some tests at breaking psychological addiction. Then someone died...
Stay drunk and passed out for a year. You'll forget you smoked!
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 24, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 22, 2008, 05:07:11 PM
Your body is cleansed of the physical addiction in about a week, maybe 2.
The mental addiction is forever. Well, pretty close to forever.
If there is an herbal remedy for psychological withdrawl, it hasn't made itself well-known.
Some evidence indicated Iboga aka Ibogane was useful in some tests at breaking psychological addiction. Then someone died...
Well, they certainly weren't addicted anymore...
troof.
cold turkey or not at all.
I can tell you that wearing multiple patches and chewing the gum will lead to people thinking you are insane or on a coke binge.
:lulz:
It WAS NOT me who did this, it was a co-worker! He went completely nuts!
in one of my more successfull stopping attempts (lasted 6 months), i spent the first couple of days of physical withdrawal in a drunken stupor.
it worked.
it worked so brilliantly!
it worked so amazingly brilliantly because i sat at the bar, being very pissed (both pissed of alcohol and pissed off of not smoking) and there was this really annoying girl who always comes on to *every* single boy in the bar and she was talking to me, and i started dissing her, with a slurred tongue, and i didn't stop, and i completely and utterly destroyed her with my words. and i forgot nearly everything about it cause a friend of mine (who was tending the bar) told me later i did such a good job and that he was having so much fun watching a completely wasted 000 completely pwning that girl.
doesnt have much to do with quitting smoking, but they were good times.
otoh, other friends were worried that i was switching one addiction for the other. but i neatly reverted to my original drinking pattern after 3 days had passed (and on the fourth day, 000 was too hungover to smoke).
Quote from: triple zero on January 24, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
in one of my more successfull stopping attempts (lasted 6 months), i spent the first couple of days of physical withdrawal in a drunken stupor.
it worked.
it worked so brilliantly!
it worked so amazingly brilliantly because i sat at the bar, being very pissed (both pissed of alcohol and pissed off of not smoking) and there was this really annoying girl who always comes on to *every* single boy in the bar and she was talking to me, and i started dissing her, with a slurred tongue, and i didn't stop, and i completely and utterly destroyed her with my words. and i forgot nearly everything about it cause a friend of mine (who was tending the bar) told me later i did such a good job and that he was having so much fun watching a completely wasted 000 completely pwning that girl.
doesnt have much to do with quitting smoking, but they were good times.
otoh, other friends were worried that i was switching one addiction for the other. but i neatly reverted to my original drinking pattern after 3 days had passed (and on the fourth day, 000 was too hungover to smoke).
Didn't I suggest the drunken method above??? See it DOES work! :lulz:
I wish I had time to be drunk.
Not to mention my drinking bone is directly connected to my smoking bone.
The pills and anti-sucker resolve cocktail: I'm calmer than I remember being last time I quit.
Tomorrow is poker, a real test, I just need to channel the hate.
Quote from: Diseris on January 24, 2008, 10:47:19 PM
Not to mention my drinking bone is directly connected to my smoking bone.
I have that problem, too.
Take up cutting until the need to smoke passes.
I read a Psychology Today article a few months ago about willpower building. Anyone interested?
Hit me.
Willpower is one of the most important things to me.
Me too.
So okay, they say that willpower is analogous to a muscle, and using it for smaller things builds it up for bigger things. Mindfully deciding to improve your posture, not scratch itches, not snack, eliminate "uh" and "um". That sort of activity will put your head together for greater feats of willpower, like resisting the urge to smoke or cheat. Another trick is that something has got to give when you're stretching your willpower. If you're using all your willpower to hold together with something important like dealing with irritating clients or something, feel free to slacken your will in other areas, like diet or self-gratification, guilty pleasures as it were. It's a trade off, giving up small power struggles to win bigger ones.
That was pretty much the meat of the article.
Are you listening Diseris?
You're thread is getting semi-jacked, but you'll thank us.
I've been using techniques like these for years and they have paid off. My willpower has become a thing of awe, probably the only trait I have that I am proud of at all. It all started with not scratching itches (I read too many sniper books).
I disagree with the second part part though. I find that when I maintain my discipline in all aspects at once, it increases as a whole. An example might be that even though I am trying to quit smoking, at the same time I maintain a strict diet or work schedules.
Is that just me, or does anyone find that to be true?
heh, control the internets
I have a lot of will in a few areas and not much in others, guess I choose my battles.
I do better when I am driven, and in this I really hate big tobacco.
Those fuckers are killing a bunch of people who will never know better and aren't getting much of a chance to.
There not the only ones, of course, but I can't handle giving them any more money, and OPC's don't work because someone is still giving them money for fairly direct, undisguised death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp-4o0IodsE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp-4o0IodsE)
I've heard Hunter's willpower is actually so powerful it is a semi-conscious entity in its own right, like a Tibetan tulpa.
i'm pretty sure my willpower works differently.
is there any proof, or even just some reasonably well-founded arguments for the will functioning like a muscle?
i have a book called "The Act of Will: A Guide to Self-Actualization and Self-Realization" by Roberto Assagioli, it caught my eye in the second hand bookshop and it was cheap. anyway, this book kind of has the same attitude towards will, that it can be trained like a muscle. it even has a bunch of (retarded/useless) exercises to perform out of pure will.
and these are actually the not-very-bullshit parts of the book ;-) i wonder why i spent 7 euros on it (cause that was CHEAP! lol)
anyway, what i found through introspection, is that my will seems more like a pool i can draw the will out of to perform tasks. it gets replenished from somewhere, slowly (i dunno exactly from where, unfortunately), but if it's empty, or near empty, it becomes nearly impossible to carry out anything but the most mundane or distracting tasks. i cant push myself beyond that, on my own volition, but if i somehow construct my environment so there is only one way to go (most often a boss, friend or gf looking over my shoulder to make sure i'm working), something breaks, and i crash down. i do not recommend this to anybody, if you ever notice something like that happening with any kind of frequency, take a break, take a few weeks off, it's a lot better than the year you're going to need to recover otherwise.
Crowley.
Just wanted to name drop a guy who developed a lot of techniques for strengthening the Will.
Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2008, 12:40:16 PM
I've heard Hunter's willpower is actually so powerful it is a semi-conscious entity in its own right, like a Tibetan tulpa.
I call it "PD.com".
Quote from: hunter s.durden on January 25, 2008, 12:04:14 AMI disagree with the second part part though. I find that when I maintain my discipline in all aspects at once, it increases as a whole. An example might be that even though I am trying to quit smoking, at the same time I maintain a strict diet or work schedules.
Is that just me, or does anyone find that to be true?
It is true, but the "give a little" technique is to be applied when you are on the verge of losing a willpower struggle.
Poker to strengthen will!
It was fun to take their money and point out how stupid it was for me to have ever smoked and supported tobacco (while those around me smoked).
Split first in the game for $225!
I quit in july...
I decided to quit
smoked the last 2 in a pack
and was done with it.
no problem...
You simply walk away.
That was, while constructive and impressive, blood-stoppingly fickle as well.
Quote from: Felix on February 02, 2008, 05:49:19 AM
That was, while constructive and impressive, blood-stoppingly fickle as well.
*shrugs*
I mean to say, "well done". I'd have to be in an unusual state to make that work, myself.
Quote from: Felix on February 02, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
I mean to say, "well done". I'd have to be in an unusual state to make that work, myself.
I dono. It's like. I liked to smoke. But I like the other things I do with the money even more...
Were you really addicted? This is interesting. Are you like, weirdly immune to addiction or something?
Some people do not get addicted to nicotine. It's just the way it is. I don't.
Quote from: Felix on February 02, 2008, 06:20:41 AM
Were you really addicted? This is interesting. Are you like, weirdly immune to addiction or something?
I smoked for 12 years (since I was 14...)
walked away without a problem...
dono... I've done a lot of drugs, and I don't say that to establish how "cool" I am. But because I walked away from those too. coke? no problem. heroin? I didn't miss it. I like to drink now and again, and I'll admit I like to smoke dope... but I honestly don't think that I have whatever it is that causes a person to be "addicted"
Lucky you. Hope that gene carries on.
Quote from: Felix on February 02, 2008, 11:06:28 PM
Lucky you. Hope that gene carries on.
If it's genetic right?
I don't plan to breed. So whatever it is will likely die with me.
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