http://io9.com/349956/one-pill-makes-you-autistic-++-and-one-pill-changes-you-back
:lulz: This is sick! Thoughts?
I want autism!
Vaguely related:
http://www.sfn.org/index.cfm?pagename=brainBriefings_adult_neurogenesis
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-way-to-reverse-loss-of-memory-775586.html
WooOOOoo....
I can't wait to have my consciousness forcibly expanded by technology. :D
...yeah...definitely controlled...yeah...def...definitely controlled...
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Great stuff. So I can slip that into the cities water supply and have an entire town full of basket cases like me?
I feel like some assorted anarchy. Anyone else?
Whee.
After some consideration, I think this opens up a new dimension of scientific philosophy. What sort of society will we witness during a period of post-organic consciousness?
1, 3, 5...
Sorry I was having another fit. I agree. I mean imagine what you could do with that. You could literally turn someone into a human tape recorder or camera for military applications. You would just have to have a handler to lead them around and keep them in a catatonic state so they can just soak in that information. Or you could keep them as pets in the bottom of accounting firms feeding them pills and CNS stimulants to keep them awake for days while they balance the books.
I should work in R&D for defense contractor or something I think.
Data-Zombies.
This is how many of my work days go, to be honest. Have coffee, focus, crunch data.
This also brings up that how we currently define austism (Autism Spectrum disorders in general), does encompas a VERY wide range of symptoms and functionality.
Lots of folks (myself included) could potentialy be diagnosable. I'd like to see how people address consciousness, focus, and ability, as this develops. Mainly, where does it cease to be a personality quirk?
And speaking of data, since it has become broadened, you get these headlines like "Autism on the Rise". And while there may be some truth to that, when you change the definitions, it makes it very difficult to actually meaningfully measure and pinpoint rising trends.
Yeah, but just imagine slipping it in the drinking water of a city.
Combine it with LSD, for the lulz.
Mr Cain you are a wicked, sick, evil, twisted degenerate of a man.
I like the way you think :evil:
First - this sounds AWESOME. Wanting to see what schizophrenia was like is one of the reasons I first dabbled in crazy chemicals and I'd be quite curious to see what autism is like too. For a few hours. Assuming it's safe.
But sorting through this - they've only done tests on mice so far. In Germany, they might actually be able to get away with further human testing if there's enough support - a participant waiver has a lot more weight in Deutschland than the states.
But here's the thing: are these mice autistic? They have Autism Spectrum Conditions, which (as I understand it) is how they diagnose autism in mice.
QuoteAutism spectrum conditions (ASCs) are heritable conditions characterized by impaired reciprocal social interactions, deficits in language acquisition, and repetitive and restricted behaviors and interests.
the drug cures those symptoms. Does that mean the mouse is no longer "autistic"? Until we get a lab rat who can tell us about his or her experience, we'll never really know.
Flowers for Algernon comes to mind.
I wonder if one pill is blue and the other red?
"M O O N, that spells Rabbit Hole!"
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There's the thing though, it's not clear cut autism the drug induces. It's just a synapse-regulating inhibitor, so who knows what that'd be.
I cant wait to go down to the local towerblock flats and pick up some pseudo 'insert mental illness here' pill.
I dont think they will ever be able to perfectly replicate autism, but a faked watered down version could still be fun.
What would happen if you gave it to an already autistic person?
Hole in the space-time continuum?
Depends on the functionality of the person before they took it.
You could just get an increased in introversion and OCD tendencies, likely with an associated drop in social functioning, empathy, or whatever you want to call it. Without any clear project or goal presented, I'd guess hours of compulsive gaming or playing with Legos would be invovled. Keep them AWAY form Wikipedia.
Getting a repsonse or communication out of them may be difficult / impossible.
I bet elsewhere on the net, people read this article and said, "Cool they've almost got a cure for autism!" ...as opposed to here: "sweet! new drugs!" :lulz:
cool, they've almost got a cure for autism.
*Cram crams a pill down 000's throat*
which one, the cure or the extra autism power pill?
i'm not really sure which one i'd need :)
MOAR AUTISM
I have a dream... a dream... it was just a dream. Never mind. I will go back to sleep.
Be interesting to see what happens if I take this in conjunction with my existing paraplegia stimulator
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Like a really focused coma?
Probably lasting damage.
If by damage I meant FUN.
:roll:
::makes a Scanner Darkly reference to Substance D::
**Makes Year Zero ARG Opal reference, to be more contemporary.**
::Makes a reference to soma, to go backwards even further::
:: makes reference to the spice melange and the juice of sapho. Also: Larry Niven's future version of CIA having Paranoid Schizophrenia induced while they're on duty::
::makes a reference to "To Kill A Mockingbird"::
You're all making references to kill this thread.
::makes a reference to making references::
META-REFERENCE BITCHES!!!
If meta-references become an in-joke that we occaisionally reference in times of apropriate irony,
that would be so meta.
hey, you remember that post where i referenced you talking about how cool it was to referene meta-references in times of appropriate irony?
No, but I remember that post where you referenced me talking about how cool it was to reference meta-references in times of appropriate irony.
RAWR!!!!!!
As much as I would like otherwise normally healthy people to suffer the effects of neurological conditions such as autism or Ayers Sensory Integration Dysfunction, to be without emotions is unacceptable to me. They might as well call the drug "Prozium".
Rawr. :roll:
I consider emotion to be an evolved trait that functions to tell us what matters most. My proof: You just don't have emotional reactions to things that don't matter to you. It's visceral. We are our prerogatives. You can have emotions that tell you anything, but they will always indicate importance of some tone or another.
My verdict on the controlled autism drug: More science. I want us to know more of the causes and effects before I can draw any meaningful conclusions about the usefulness of such a substance. No matter how fun it sounds to spend days tweaking on overpowering synapse functions.
I hear you roar!
THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN FDA APPROVED.
I think with a little help of good companies like Sandoz and Novartis that have such high ethical standards we could perfect the drug to a perfectly good uses so they could not be abused for entertainment.
Drugs that are used for entertainment are pure evil. I cannot fathom why someone would want to make thier body feel good or have sensations and hallucinations that they cannot normally attain. Why would someone want to alter their waking world to be like a dream?
Some people have written hogwash about how it is natural for humans to seek altered conciousness states and have done so since recorded history but this is hogwash. I cannot even think of a single drug that existed before the twentieth century. Drugs are a new thing that were invented by homosexual satanist atheist communist anarchists to enslave our youths. This is a modern problem and humans have only recently discovered drugs which is why the war on drugs can be won and will be won by us with the help of Jesus and the FDA. God bless living clean.
Long live Sandoz!
Long live Novartis!
*Phew*
I hope the FDA is watching my posts again. That will get them off my tail
Viva le narcotique revolution!
fuck autism.
I want a pill that temporarily induces tourette's syndrome.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on February 03, 2008, 08:41:43 PM
fuck autism.
I want a pill that temporarily induces tourette's syndrome.
This is the correct fucking cycle, you fucking dickhead.
There is a drug called "Alcohol" that causes similar side effects...
Quote from: Bharlion on February 04, 2008, 03:08:28 AM
There is a drug called "Alcohol" that causes similar side effects...
I want fuckers screaming at the top of their lungs when rain sounds like machine gun fire. I want fuckers hitting people who so much as brush up against them not because they're angry, but because it fucking hurts. ARGGH...
If you had that low a pain threshold hitting people would not be desirable.
Quote from: Felix on February 04, 2008, 04:44:54 AM
If you had that low a pain threshold hitting people would not be desirable.
I fucking will annihilate anyone who touches me in a way I do not desire if it is expedient to me at the time to do so (i.e. I'm not in a rush to get some place and I'm tactically ready for it).
You're kind of on drugs, aren't you?
Have you ever met someone who almost seems like a parody of themselves?
Quote from: Felix on February 04, 2008, 07:01:16 AM
Have you ever met someone who almost seems like a parody of themselves?
Jeffree Star or James St. James?
I have! I am a parody of myself.
Everything that I stand for I don't
Everything that I know I forgot.
Everything I hate I love
I fuck everything I kill
I kill everything I fuck
We am special people.
Quote from: Bharlion on February 04, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
I fuck everything I kill
I kill everything I fuck
so, if you kill something, and then fuck it, do you have to kill it again after that, or how does that work?
That is a pretty damn vicious cycle. :lol:
It is part of my life.
my cure and my blessing
They can't leave me if they are dead now can they? MWAHAHAHAHAH
Oops did I say that. Sorry my programming is kicking in again.
I love LOL CATs. KITTENS and RABBITS.
YOU MAKE ME ALL SO HAPPY.
So relax, citizens, ignore that feeling of the ground shifting beneath your feet, and discount any bizarre rumors you may have heard. America is secure, the economy is great, and you have tons of stuff to watch on teevee. And JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald both died natural deaths in 1963, and everything has been great since then, anyway. Just grab a beer, turn on American Idol, and...
GO BACK TO SLEEP!
Quote from: Bharlion on February 05, 2008, 08:45:39 AM
It is part of my life.
my cure and my blessing
They can't leave me if they are dead now can they? MWAHAHAHAHAH
Oops did I say that. Sorry my programming is kicking in again.
I love LOL CATs. KITTENS and RABBITS.
YOU MAKE ME ALL SO HAPPY.
So relax, citizens, ignore that feeling of the ground shifting beneath your feet, and discount any bizarre rumors you may have heard. America is secure, the economy is great, and you have tons of stuff to watch on teevee. And JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald both died natural deaths in 1963, and everything has been great since then, anyway. Just grab a beer, turn on American Idol, and...
GO BACK TO SLEEP!
ZOMG23PINEALFNORD!ZORT!
Your posts make my eyes want to strangle my brain.
Meanwhile back on topic:
Last week I intentionally went a bit "cold" via caffine and mindset, to pull and sort data for 130 or so accounts (too few for a script). It amussed me to try it. Normal proceure would have been break it up amongst 3-4 people for slow moments, and ask them to have it done the next day. I took care of it in a hour, and jotted down how the state of mind felt. This is what I got:
"Numbers, data, names, all are the same thing, when broken down to their core components. I stare at them, work with them correlate and note.
My subconscious remembers perfectly, eidetic and exact. My consciousness is spared this precision, but gets the oddest memos.
It tells me what the next input will be. No mysticism needed this time, I've seen it before. I will see it again. I will not stop seeing it.
Patterns emerge. I focus, I meditate, I work. I disregard as the pattern is irrelevant, and for the moment, only precision and efficiency matters.
Pattern recognition is a flawed but essential tool. It will lead to prejudices, generalizations, and superstitions.
I remain naïve. Nothing is relevant except what I see before me. Pare the equation and the action down to the minimum. "
how did you do this, Richter?
Hard to explain, it comes naturally, and surplus energy from caffine helps. Takes a bit for my brain to "Shift gears" though.
One of the benefits of epilepsy is that I have intermittent altered states in which I experience the world completely differently. I've actually, through experimentation, gotten to a point where sometimes I can enter these states by focusing on a trigger, but that's a little questionable and I rarely do it because one of the other benefits of epilepsy is memory loss.
Wow, I'd love to see an EEG of that...
Would you mind describing more? Any specific way in which your perception differ, aftereffects, etc.?
Seconded, this is highly interesting.
MOAR DETAILS PLS, NIGEL!
Well, the most typical experience (called an "aura" in medical terms, for some reason) is sort of like this:
Foreboding. Anticipation. Deja vu, or sometimes jamais vu. Earthquakes. The ambient light darkens. Everything shifts into unfamiliarity. All common things; my home, my family, flowers, clouds... all seem distinctly unusual, unfamiliar. The earth quivers, the light is gray but colors are exceptionally vivid, contrast heightened. There is unbelievable clarity; the world is a bell, or a chime. Sounds are incomprehensible without great attention, and they are clear, sharp, nearly overwhelming. Odors come from nowhere; green smells like vinegar, pink like formaldehyde. Nothing makes sense; everything makes sense, but not in the usual way. Sometimes dizziness. My body rushes. My vision becomes very specific: I am looking at only one thing at a time, and that thing is the entirety of my experience, and I am experiencing it with all my senses. The top of my head begins to tingle, feels cold. Then the release, a paralyzing moment which courses down my body from the crown of my head, and a return to normalcy, but with a lingering disorientation and sometimes (or maybe always; I have no way of knowing) memory loss. It doesn't always release, and that is what I mean when I say I can sometimes enter an altered state through focus on an obvious trigger. The drawback, of course, is when I can't avoid the progression into a full seizure, and although I do not have clonic-tonic seizures at all, ever, the memory loss from an absence seizure is not totally awesome.
I have never had an EEG done for this; my doctor actually suggested I not be formally diagnosed by a neurologist, because I am not interested in medication, there is no other treatment that can help, and it would definitely affect my insurability. I have had a number of MRIs and CT scans for other reasons, but they show nothing that could be linked to seizures, and I guess most temporal lobe epilepsy is kind of a mystery with no obvious physical cause.
Oh, aftereffects; usually tiredness, loss of balance (I call it "tippiness") and a bit of a hard time assimilating my senses into something that really makes cohesive sense.
That's a trip. I've heard of self-induced altered states, but wow.
Quote from: Dr. Felix Mackay on March 10, 2008, 06:00:24 AM
That's a trip. I've heard of self-induced altered states, but wow.
It's usually involuntary, I've just learned that if I want to, I can induce partial seizures. I don't generally want to though.
Natch. It sounds like it'd be scary. Too bad it's dangerous.