LMNO said something interesting when all this began. He said "TGRR is ethical as hell...but he's never said what his ethics are."
Well, my ethics are straightforward.
1. Those in authority must adhere to the rules MORE than those whom they have power over, no matter how trivial the matter.
2. Justice is based on law. So are rights. The moment law is cast aside, so are justice and rights, which revert to mere privilege.
3. You are more than your last day, or last accomplishment.
4. Nobody is beyond redemption. Everyone deserves a chance to set things right.
5. To ignore a wrong is to be complicit in that wrong.
There's more, but it's mostly commentary. And I think most agree that if the above are forgotten, we may as well just climb into the sty with the piggies.
Now, with #3 and #4 in mind, I'd like to suggest that ECH be reinstated as MGT. Why? Why would I suggest such a thing, after what has happened?
Because it happened.
ECH was, until recently, a giant whose feet punched through the topsoil and left great dents in the bedrock. Who knows why he drifted til the point where he did what he did? Not I. I still don't know what he was talking about when he announced that he was pissed at me for "publicly berating" him, though I asked several times.
But given that he was once a titan among Discordians, I suggest that he be allowed to redeem himself; to regain the honor he once displayed, and to get back to maximum lulz.
And the only way that can happen is if he is placed back exactly where he was, because there's no other way for him to regain the trust he once enjoyed. If he cannot SHOW that he's woken the hell up, then he cannot possibly demonstrate that he has seen his error.
Now, I don't want ANYONE to take this as pity. I'd rather see him slag the board, before anyone started pitying him. I would help, in fact.
Rather, I'd like to see him wake the hell up, and turn back into the dude I was proud to call my friend and accomplice, not so long ago.
And is there anyone here - anyone - that can say they have never fucked up? I know for sure that I have. I also know that this may seem to him to be condescending as hell...but it should not. It should be seen instead as a way to let the bullshit die.
A reset button.
This ain't the criminal justice system...you DO - or should - get extra lives.
Now, I will go two steps farther:
1. I will unilaterally stop the fight. Providing that he does not cause me any problems, I will not go any further at all. It all ends. In fact, I will state that the last 6 months never happened.
2. I will now apologize to ECH if I did publicly berate him. This apology covers also any of my joke posts that he took seriously.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. Just let it end.
Or kill me.
Well spoken.
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:47:01 AM
Well spoken.
Thanks. The ECH I knew was a big fucking dude. I know he still is.
:mittens:
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:47:01 AM
Well spoken.
Agreed. I'm staying as out of this as I can, considering I don't know much of what's going on, but I can say that was probably the most eloquent way you could've handled things. :mittens:
Holy shit. TGRR just admitted to having had fucked up at some point in his life.
THIS SHIT IS EPIC.
this seems fair. i will send on ech the details to the mgt account. no more secrets, no more fights.
Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on March 03, 2008, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:47:01 AM
Well spoken.
Agreed. I'm staying as out of this as I can, considering I don't know much of what's going on, but I can say that was probably the most eloquent way you could've handled things. :mittens:
Thanks, but it's not about eloquence, or anything like that.
It's about getting back on mission. I don't expect ECH to be friends with me, though it would be nice if he was. I'm just looking around at the world burning down, the house is on fire, and we're all fighting about what color the attic wallpaper should be.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 03, 2008, 02:51:06 AM
Holy shit. TGRR just admitted to having had fucked up at some point in his life.
THIS SHIT IS EPIC.
Dude, ask Bella. I drop my pants and ROLL in my mistakes.
When you fuck up, there's NO point in doing it
half-assed.
TGRR,
Fully Assed.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2008, 02:52:42 AM
Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on March 03, 2008, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:47:01 AM
Well spoken.
Agreed. I'm staying as out of this as I can, considering I don't know much of what's going on, but I can say that was probably the most eloquent way you could've handled things. :mittens:
Thanks, but it's not about eloquence, or anything like that.
It's about getting back on mission. I don't expect ECH to be friends with me, though it would be nice if he was. I'm just looking around at the world burning down, the house is on fire, and we're all fighting about what color the attic wallpaper should be.
Easy enough to solve, attic's don't need wallpaper, they just need to be stuffed with insulation, and x-mas decorations you'll never use again.
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:54:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2008, 02:52:42 AM
Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on March 03, 2008, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on March 03, 2008, 02:47:01 AM
Well spoken.
Agreed. I'm staying as out of this as I can, considering I don't know much of what's going on, but I can say that was probably the most eloquent way you could've handled things. :mittens:
Thanks, but it's not about eloquence, or anything like that.
It's about getting back on mission. I don't expect ECH to be friends with me, though it would be nice if he was. I'm just looking around at the world burning down, the house is on fire, and we're all fighting about what color the attic wallpaper should be.
Easy enough to solve, attic's don't need wallpaper, they just need to be stuffed with insulation, and x-mas decorations you'll never use again.
And Ann Frank, these days.
awesome. i'm glad things turned out this way!
..
*snirf* :cry: it's so sad Payne isn't with us anymore to witness this.. it feels like he was still posting here only this afternoon..
Quote from: triple zero on March 03, 2008, 02:55:50 AM
awesome. i'm glad things turned out this way!
..
*snirf* :cry: it's so sad Payne isn't with us anymore to witness this.. it feels like he was still posting here only this afternoon..
WTF?
i forgot, you probably didn't read Apple Talk the past week :)
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15328.0
Quote from: triple zero on March 03, 2008, 02:57:51 AM
i forgot, you probably didn't read Apple Talk the past week :)
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15328.0
Oh, I know the truth behind THAT.
ah i was hoping roger was gonna eat babies in here :(
Quote from: noodlefred on March 03, 2008, 04:09:38 AM
ah i was hoping roger was gonna eat babies in here :(
That may still be on the program.
Good to have you back, Roger.
Quote from: Hoopla on March 03, 2008, 04:13:53 AM
Good to have you back, Roger.
Thanks.
I just hope this can all go back to status quo ante bellum.
:mittens: And good to have you back, Rog...
Well, sweet. Finally the family is back together!
Mommy, Daddy, please don't fight anymore... it makes me cry.
Yeah uh...tomorrow's another day. And Justin hasn't seen any of this yet, just saying.
Quote from: Jenne on March 03, 2008, 05:35:32 AM
Yeah uh...tomorrow's another day. And Justin hasn't seen any of this yet, just saying.
Well, that's the question, isn't it?
Yup...the $60m question.
I think this is a good direction to go.
I'm glad we have you back, and I'm glad to see we can hopefully have some sort of working system for how this site runs. Of course, I'll reserve judgement until I see what ECH has to say about this but I myself can see no reasons for its refusal (and if there are some, I'll want to know what they are, so I can see if they have any sort of merit).
Quote from: Jenne on March 03, 2008, 05:35:32 AM
Yeah uh...tomorrow's another day. And Justin hasn't seen any of this yet, just saying.
ECH's name is Justin? I imagined it would be "Thor" or "Bone-Crusher".
Someone get BGP in here so he can shreik about "Happy endings".
:evil:
Does this mean we are back to the chaos at hand?
Glad to have you back Roger!
Quote from: Nigel on March 03, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 03, 2008, 05:35:32 AM
Yeah uh...tomorrow's another day. And Justin hasn't seen any of this yet, just saying.
ECH's name is Justin? I imagined it would be "Thor" or "Bone-Crusher".
ECH's name is actually pronounced "Road of Bones".
Quote from: LMNO on March 03, 2008, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 03, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 03, 2008, 05:35:32 AM
Yeah uh...tomorrow's another day. And Justin hasn't seen any of this yet, just saying.
ECH's name is Justin? I imagined it would be "Thor" or "Bone-Crusher".
ECH's name is actually pronounced "Road of Bones".
That makes more sense.
Whoever heard of a chef named Justin?
I think we should start a petition requesting ECH change his name to something more chef-sounding.
Think Fat, what's a good fat sounding name?
(Yes, I know ECH isn't fat, also, trusting unfat chefs is a bad idea.)
I could stand to lose 20 pounds.
anything less than 240 lbs and my ribs start showing.
also, trusting ECH is a bad idea.
also, that's why my last place was called "Zeke's" and not "Justin's".
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2008, 02:41:48 AM
1. Those in authority must adhere to the rules MORE than those whom they have power over, no matter how trivial the matter.
2. Justice is based on law. So are rights. The moment law is cast aside, so are justice and rights, which revert to mere privilege.
3. You are more than your last day, or last accomplishment.
4. Nobody is beyond redemption. Everyone deserves a chance to set things right.
5. To ignore a wrong is to be complicit in that wrong.
Words to live by. I know this is about something else entirely, which I've missed, but I would like a signed copy to hang on the wall in whatever dive I end up sleeping in next.