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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Faust on March 16, 2008, 02:07:24 AM

Title: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Faust on March 16, 2008, 02:07:24 AM
http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20060401.html

allows a person to feel a sensation in their fingertips when they are passing over something ferromagnetic.
Would love to try this out.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 16, 2008, 06:22:38 AM
Dunno about that.  If I was going to get into body modification it'd be for more useful things.

Like a second set of mechanical arms for opening pickle jars.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 16, 2008, 06:36:59 AM
Mmmmm yummy pickles!
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 16, 2008, 07:27:17 AM
I respect that the guy's interested in pioneering the apotheosis of biology as we know it, but I can't say I envy his magnet fingers and blood bruises from opening jars.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 16, 2008, 01:22:06 PM
It's an intriguing idea, but I'm not certain of the real use.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Voodoo Chile on March 17, 2008, 01:59:13 AM
The problems far outweigh the benefits. While they would make a handy stud detector and live wire detector for an electrician it doesn't make up for the horrors of getting them removed.

I suppose no matter how you would do it the body would invariably break down and push out any implant like that. But I wonder how effective a magnitised mesh put under the fingertip would be and whether it would cause more or less bruising as opposed to one large lump of magnet.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Faust on March 17, 2008, 03:16:37 PM
a magnetic mesh would act like a subdermal anchor, the flesh might heal through the gaps making it impossible to ever get out.
People who get the anchors never really have a problem with them, if they heal. So it would probably be good for some cases, and shit for a load of others.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 17, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
Also:  walk into any kind of radio / microwave field and you will suddenly have a heating element under your skin.  A field that strong might just cook you outright though, so it could be a handy warning.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: GlompChomp on March 17, 2008, 08:13:32 PM
Isn't it possible to have a magnet that doesn't require an implant to feel electromagnetic fields? Or does it need to be under the skin?
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 17, 2008, 08:22:12 PM
Under the skin (of a fingertip specifically) palces it near a large cluster of preexisting nerves.  A magnetized nipple (or other sensitive body part :fap:) ring or barbell could be used the same, in theory, but the fingertips are a little more predisposed to use as a sensory organ.

A magnetic ring could be a non surgical, non genital, middle ground, but even then, some of the fine sensation would be lost. 
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 17, 2008, 09:17:47 PM
What about magnetic stick-ons?
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Doktor Loki on March 17, 2008, 09:53:36 PM
I cant wait until I can get cybernetic implants.  Until then, I'll stick with normal metal.
This is cool as hell.  Usefulness/ uselesness aside, the dude has MAGNET HANDS!  How freakin sweet is that?!

Quote from: Voodoo Chile on March 17, 2008, 01:59:13 AM
The problems far outweigh the benefits. While they would make a handy stud detector and live wire detector for an electrician it doesn't make up for the horrors of getting them removed.

I suppose no matter how you would do it the body would invariably break down and push out any implant like that. But I wonder how effective a magnitised mesh put under the fingertip would be and whether it would cause more or less bruising as opposed to one large lump of magnet.

Problems outweighing the benifits?  I dont think you can really say that.  That depends on the opinion of the implantee.  People could tell me my piercings benifits are outweighed by problems, and I would disagree.

I think a mesh would work better though.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 17, 2008, 10:08:46 PM
Hee hee hee I almost died of a piercing once. But it turned out ok in the end.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Doktor Loki on March 17, 2008, 10:33:40 PM
Nigel, explanation plox?
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 17, 2008, 11:58:08 PM
A week after getting a piercing, I unexpectedly and rather unprecedentedly hemorrhaged from it and lost kind of a surprising amount of blood. There was a lot of mess and drama and trying to get me to go to the emergency room, which I refused to do, mostly because at the time my stepfather was dying of brain cancer and my sister was in town for that, staying with me and I didn't want to upset her any more (totally irrational, but hey) so eventually I got the bleeding stopped and went to sleep with an icepack on me, and then an hour later (to my good fortune) my friend called to check on me and it woke me up and I discovered that I was hemorrhaging again and lying in a stupendous puddle of blood. Eventually got the bleeding stopped, went to the doctor the next day. Long story short, I lost a couple of pints and it took a while to recover but in the end everything was OK. 

Lesson learned from this: I am an anatomical freak.

The awesome thing (inasmuch as awesomeness happened) is that when it happened I was driving a car full of friends to a pirate party, and we were all dressed as pirates.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Doktor Loki on March 18, 2008, 12:02:58 AM
Give a nice effect to the pirate effect.

Mind if I ask what piercing it was?  Not your septum I presume?
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 18, 2008, 12:13:07 AM
It was my <ahem> hood.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Doktor Loki on March 18, 2008, 12:28:00 AM
Ah.  Sorry to bust you out like that, if you're the type that doesnt like to speak on that sort of thing.

That would fucking suck to have that bleeding like that.

But :mittens: to you for having one.  Makes me almost jealous.  I want that kind of work (of course, the male equivalent), but I'm not comfortable with a piercer doing it.  Oh well, might just have to get some needles and do some work myself.

This threads gotten pretty far off topic.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Voodoo Chile on March 18, 2008, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Loki on March 17, 2008, 09:53:36 PM
I cant wait until I can get cybernetic implants.  Until then, I'll stick with normal metal.
This is cool as hell.  Usefulness/ uselesness aside, the dude has MAGNET HANDS!  How freakin sweet is that?!

Quote from: Voodoo Chile on March 17, 2008, 01:59:13 AM
The problems far outweigh the benefits. While they would make a handy stud detector and live wire detector for an electrician it doesn't make up for the horrors of getting them removed.

I suppose no matter how you would do it the body would invariably break down and push out any implant like that. But I wonder how effective a magnitised mesh put under the fingertip would be and whether it would cause more or less bruising as opposed to one large lump of magnet.

Problems outweighing the benifits?  I dont think you can really say that.  That depends on the opinion of the implantee.  People could tell me my piercings benifits are outweighed by problems, and I would disagree.

I think a mesh would work better though.

I suppose you're right, Haven't got a clue as to problem/benefit ratio but I wouldn't get one unless a method of tricking the immune system into ignoreing the implant or to have an implant which would not introduce infection/carcinogeans.

Not a piercee or body modder for aestetic value in anyway, But stuff like this if it is usefull i'd go for it.

Nigel, That sounds damn bad, one more horror story to putting a foreign metal object in your body. And as for anatomical freak,Ask Faust about my ability to bend my fingers. Everybody has some sort of messed up anatomy,It just sucks when it involves the lost of pints of blood.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 18, 2008, 02:56:28 AM
Thanks guys! Hopefully it won't deter anyone from getting that done, I really don't think that happens to anyone ever, it was just some completely weird thing.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: LMNO on March 19, 2008, 03:45:22 PM
I can only imagine what would happen if you encountered one of those super-magnets, or got too close to an MRI.


::pictures the implants ripping out of the skin, in a very freaky Cronenberg-like way::
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 19, 2008, 04:11:05 PM
Fucking OW.  :x

It'd be a damn good scene in a movie, though.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2008, 04:40:47 PM
Or if you actually get put through an MRI?  I doubt MRI technicians are trained to check for magnets underneath you skin before scanning.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: LMNO on March 19, 2008, 04:59:19 PM
Well, the do ask you to remove all piercings, and ask about things like plates, screws, et al.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 19, 2008, 07:20:48 PM
They explain it pretty thoroughly, actually, and if you're dumb enough to go through an MRI with magnetic implants after they ask you all the questions and explain why they're asking, and have you sign the disclaimer about metal filings in your eyes, I suppose you deserve to get your fingertips ripped off.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 21, 2008, 05:03:45 AM
I'm pretty sure most metallic implants are nonmagnetic just for that reason.  Like metal fillings?  Nonmagnetic.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 21, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
That makes sense, like why they replaced most surgical steel parts with titanium parts.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Triple Zero on March 22, 2008, 11:11:46 PM
i have to say, when i read the article about the magnetic thingy in the finger, i really liked the idea of attaining an extra "sense" like that.

even if it breaks down and is impractical. they should solve that.

cause it's pretty awesome to be able to feel electric currents.

at the very least you've got one up on all those "aura" and "energy" sensitive psychic ppl.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 23, 2008, 06:10:44 AM
Yeah, seriously.  I wish it was developed to use body heat powered electromagnets that you can deactivate when handling electronics and charge cards.  With better durability.  Then it'd be something I would consider.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 23, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
The flaw in the design, as I see it, is in part the shape of the magnet. It's a disc, meaning it has edges, and the thinnest part of the silicone coating was right on those edges. A better design might be to use a spherical or elliptical magnet.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 23, 2008, 10:52:57 PM
Or magnaview fluid.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 25, 2008, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: Dr. Felix Mackay on March 23, 2008, 10:52:57 PM
Or magnaview fluid.

Because given the chance, we all secretly want to be the T-1000.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 27, 2008, 04:02:14 PM
Fucks to the yeah.  I would use my powers for good though.

And by good, I mean O:MF.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Richter on March 27, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
Good?  O:MF?

I just want to be able to cut things by touching them.
Title: Re: Magnetic subdermals
Post by: Jasper on March 27, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
Yeah, it'd make becoming a chef that much more appealing.