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Title: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cramulus on April 06, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
yeah, you gotta do it.

Afterwards, make up your own mind about whether or not it was worth it.

But it's classic Discordian lit... if anything I'd reccommend it just so you know what everyone's talking about.



Personally, I dug it a great deal.


bonus tip - if you hunt around this forum with the search thingo, you can find numerous discussions and arguments about Illuminatus!. Some are great reading.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Payne on April 06, 2008, 10:44:52 PM
I loathe it, but you have to read it anyway.

It's just one of them things.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 06, 2008, 11:27:27 PM
If it sucks, you will have at least learned enough to flame it intelligently.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 12:53:13 AM
Personally I enjoyed it.  It's very Po-Mo, though.  My friend tried to read a chapter and it hurt his brain.

So certainly not for everyone.  I got my Bachelors in English and plan to get an extra degree or so, so I'm probably not a good person to ask about books.  Unless, that is, you really like books and want to read as many of them as possible (like me)  :lol:
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 07, 2008, 01:36:59 AM
I got about 3/4 through it and ran out of time to read.

It was pretty fun, though... I recommend getting a little high and then trying, if it's just boring. It will seem really deep when you're high.

Even though it's not.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Churro the Viscous on April 07, 2008, 01:40:30 AM
I've decided to finish it.
I have the endurance to plow on.
Hopefully, I'll start liking it soon.
I like some of it, certainly.
Not a lot, though.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Payne on April 07, 2008, 01:41:04 AM
I HAD to be stoned while reading it.

It seriously turned me right off all the fucking numerology and mystical bulshit.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Verbal Mike on April 07, 2008, 01:58:12 AM
It was crap, I loved it, and I recommend you read it, especially if you plan to hang out here (things suddenly make much more sense). I'll third that about getting stoned... Not only will it make much more sense to you when you're thoroughly zonked, it also might provide some very interesting food for thought... I realized some very profound things reading that book high (even though they were mostly packaged in nice steamy bullshit in the actual book.)
If you have any kind of Anarchist streak in you, you'll at least appreciate Hagbard Celine's very intelligent antiestablishmenarianism.
And I agree that at the very least it will allow you to take part in the excellent pro-or-con threads about it round here.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Vene on April 07, 2008, 02:36:08 AM
Quote from: Payne on April 07, 2008, 01:41:04 AM
I HAD to be stoned while reading it.

It seriously turned me right off all the fucking numerology and mystical bulshit.
Then it at least did some good.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 02:48:59 AM
I stand alone as that rarest of breeds, the "straight-edge discordian"  :eek:
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 07, 2008, 03:03:42 AM
Comptely straight edged?  Not even booze?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Churro the Viscous on April 07, 2008, 03:04:15 AM
After reading more into it (I'm about 1/5th :wink: into the second chapter), I do indeed like it very much.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 07, 2008, 03:05:40 AM
Quote from: Requiem on April 07, 2008, 03:03:42 AM
Comptely straight edged?  Not even booze?

That's how I read it. 100% sober the whole damn time.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 03:06:09 AM
Quote from: Requiem on April 07, 2008, 03:03:42 AM
Comptely straight edged?  Not even booze?
The last time I got drunk is never.  I occasionally have a "social drink" with friends, but never more than one light thingy (a rum-and-coke, usually).  I suppose it also helps that I find most alcohol to be quite un-delicious, and my sweet tooth overrides all reason.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 07, 2008, 03:09:57 AM
Try hard lemonade :P

Not completely straight edged though, even social drinking disqualifies.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 03:16:16 AM
Alas and alack!  I am a failure.  Hard lemonade is okay, didn't care for it much.

If not completely tee-total, I imagine I'm still a great deal more "straight-edged" when it comes to controlled substances than most Discordians, nonetheless.

I should also point out that I'm not against using it if it's what you're into.  It's just not what I, myself, am into.  If you like pot, acid, e, getting drunk, so on, so forth, more power to you!  Do it and enjoy it.  I've often been at parties where I'm the only one sober.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Payne on April 07, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
Not getting inebriated is admirable, actually.  Alcohol cannabis, etc are the drugs of the CoN.


Says the permanantly drunk, occasionaly stoned, Scottish asshat.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Verbal Mike on April 07, 2008, 01:12:19 PM
Wait, doesn't straight-edge also mean No Sex?
*shudders*
Do as ye will, but I know I owe a lot to cannabis and wish everyone would at least have one good trip to know what it's about. So many people rule it out, I really don't get it. (But then, I used to be against alcohol and THC as well until a couple years ago, so I guess I do get it.)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 07, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 07, 2008, 03:04:15 AM
After reading more into it (I'm about 1/5th :wink: into the second chapter), I do indeed like it very much.

I find that this tends to be the case with many people... Bob and Bob (according to Bob) were actually trying to experiment with "reprogramming" the minds of the readers.... People were programmed by culture to expect a story to read a particular way. The Point of View, character names etc were expected to follow a particular pattern. The Bob's thought they could create a different pattern, which people's brains might pick up.

It seems to work with some people and not work with some people. The people that pick it up seem to love it, other people just may not catch the pattern, I dunno... but some people hate it all the way to the end.

For me, it was a catalyst for what I perceive as great change in my life.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Verbal Mike on April 07, 2008, 04:12:51 PM
Well, for me personally I think it worked, but I still started hating it towards the end... It became dreadfully tedious at some point, after I got it and accepted it and internalized it... I found myself reading the last one-two hundred pages just to get to the end so I can say I read it all...
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Daruko on April 07, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
QuoteFor me, it was a catalyst for what I perceive as great change in my life.

Sweet.  Rat, have you read Cosmic Trigger?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: LMNO on April 07, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Rest assured that Rat has most likely read everything by RAW more than five times.


Also, I3! is a novel.  Read it if you want, if it bores you, put it down.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 07, 2008, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: daruko on April 07, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
QuoteFor me, it was a catalyst for what I perceive as great change in my life.

Sweet.  Rat, have you read Cosmic Trigger?

I have read most of RAW's stuff... my future Father-in-Law has a huge occult library and owned most everything by RAW, Crowley and several other weirdos.

In my opinion, Cosmic Trigger and Prometheus Rising are the two key books to understanding Bob's point of view... in most of his other stuff, he mixes humor, fiction etc liberally and often I think intentionally tries to piss off the reader (LOL). But in those two books I think he provided his clearest arguments for Model Agnosticism.

Quote from: LMNO on April 07, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Rest assured that Rat has most likely read everything by RAW more than five times.


Also, I3! is a novel.  Read it if you want, if it bores you, put it down.

TROOF on both counts...

Well almost Troof, there are some things written by RAW that I have never read.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cain on April 07, 2008, 04:48:21 PM
Agreed.  Cosmic Trigger and Prometheus Rising are probably the most useful and interesting at the same time (also available for download either in the Library sub-forum, or else just ask me).  I've heard good things about Quantumn Psychology, but havent chanced across a copy yet, so I cannot comment. I may check some torrent sites and see if I get lucky.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 07, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 07, 2008, 04:48:21 PM
Agreed.  Cosmic Trigger and Prometheus Rising are probably the most useful and interesting at the same time (also available for download either in the Library sub-forum, or else just ask me).  I've heard good things about Quantumn Psychology, but havent chanced across a copy yet, so I cannot comment. I may check some torrent sites and see if I get lucky.

Quantum Psychology is like a primer for Prometheus Rising, though its written as a group book which is kinda weird. However, I found the exercises listed in QP to really help me get the concept of what RAW was getting at.

I think the first one that smacked me in the head was one where he has one student hold up a news paper headline and stand far enough away from the second student, so that the second student cannot make out the headline. However, once the student is told what the words are... the words usually become quite clear and legible... in the mind of the observer. I think that was the first time I put any real stock in his argument that our brains made up data  and just fills in the unknowns with what it thinks is right.

I've done this experiment with printed signs that have very similar appearance and have told people that they say things which they do not... and the subject usually 'sees' what I told them it said, rather than what it says.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Verbal Mike on April 07, 2008, 05:10:33 PM
I haven't read QP but I noticed that effect with signs etc. I've experienced it often, especially with eavesdropping. I have this habit of trying yo recognize what languages people I overhear are speaking. When I'm looking for Hebrew I can catch Hebrew words in almost any language, though they aren't there. (Depending how badly I can eavesdrop at that moment.)
I also noticed I can read English and Hebrew backwards, sideways or in a mirror, with almost no effort, but when I try and read a language I'm not perfectly fluent in I have a hard time picking out letters and words...
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Wow, yeah, I forgot about the sign experiment... Thanks for reminding me.

It's kind of disappointing how many people stop at the Model Agnosticism though, without ever trying the experiments.  I mean, sure you've realized there is no single objective reality out there.  But now why wouldn't you want to go out and experience all those exotic amazing varieties of reality... now that you realize how flexible your reality can be, wouldn't you want to fuck with it? 

I'm not suggesting one has to... really it'd just be nice to know some more people in real life that are as eager as I am in doing it.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 07, 2008, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Wow, yeah, I forgot about the sign experiment... Thanks for reminding me.

It's kind of disappointing how many people stop at the Model Agnosticism though, without ever trying the experiments.  I mean, sure you've realized there is no single objective reality out there.  But now why wouldn't you want to go out and experience all those exotic amazing varieties of reality... now that you realize how flexible your reality can be, wouldn't you want to fuck with it? 

I'm not suggesting one has to... really it'd just be nice to know some more people in real life that are as eager as I am in doing it.

Well, you've probably come to a useful spot then... a lot of people here seem to grok at least the basics of Model Agnosticism... and some subset of those people are actively trying to break open their own head and occasionally others (usually through memes, but the Good Reverend Roger tends to the Stark Fist... or a 2x4).

In common parlance around here, you may hear it called 'changing the bars in your Black Iron Prison".
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:53:27 PM
I was thinking I might try throat singing while watching Alejandro Jodorowski's "Holy Mountain" upside down and listening to Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica" played backwards.     :tinfoilhat:
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bu🤠ns on April 07, 2008, 08:37:42 PM
Quantum Psychology (http://anonym.to/http://www.mediafire.com/?mo2ggxfhn6v)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Triple Zero on April 07, 2008, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: st.verbatim on April 07, 2008, 05:10:33 PMI haven't read QP but I noticed that effect with signs etc. I've experienced it often, especially with eavesdropping. I have this habit of trying yo recognize what languages people I overhear are speaking. When I'm looking for Hebrew I can catch Hebrew words in almost any language, though they aren't there. (Depending how badly I can eavesdrop at that moment.)
I also noticed I can read English and Hebrew backwards, sideways or in a mirror, with almost no effort, but when I try and read a language I'm not perfectly fluent in I have a hard time picking out letters and words...

danish always sounds like dutch that you just can't make out from a couple of meters distance
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Verbal Mike on April 07, 2008, 11:41:50 PM
Wait, huh? It always sound like German I just can't make up, to me! Even when I'm right next to the Danes! lol
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Triple Zero on April 07, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
there's Covenant, this danish industrial/cybergoth band, in their song "Humility", that i'm pretty damn sure took a sample from some dutch talkshow in the background of the intro .. i just can't quite make out the words .. :)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 08, 2008, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: triple zero on April 07, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
there's Covenant, this danish industrial/cybergoth band...

This is interesting, because the baned named Covenant I know is Swedish and does EBM.  Perhaps "interesting" is the wrong word.


Also on a note here, I can never tell the difference between Korean and Japanese.  Admittedly, I'm not a native speaker, but they sound so similar.  I was beside two Japanese people on a plane and I swear I thought they were speaking Korean, because it sounded like no Japanese I've ever heard.  They were Japanese though, because she was reading a Japanese book. 
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Nast on April 08, 2008, 05:58:43 AM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on April 08, 2008, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: triple zero on April 07, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
there's Covenant, this danish industrial/cybergoth band...

This is interesting, because the baned named Covenant I know is Swedish and does EBM.  Perhaps "interesting" is the wrong word.


Also on a note here, I can never tell the difference between Korean and Japanese.  Admittedly, I'm not a native speaker, but they sound so similar.  I was beside two Japanese people on a plane and I swear I thought they were speaking Korean, because it sounded like no Japanese I've ever heard.  They were Japanese though, because she was reading a Japanese book. 

Perhaps they were Okinawan? Or perhaps from Hokkaido? I've heard that their are a lot of dialects in Japan that differ from the "standard" Kanto/Kansai dialect. 
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Nast on April 08, 2008, 06:03:25 AM
Quote from: daruko on April 08, 2008, 05:48:12 AM
I love japanese.  ANd no it's not my goddamned fucking anime geek impulse, or whatever the fuck you want to sucking call it-aRGHHDHSHSHHS  SHH shh shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............   you know what I was thinking of?  DO YA?!  O_o   I made the first eye big and not the second.  Why?   No not why that.  WHy is it so hard for you to understand the beauty, and the... the
   
:cheers:
                                                                                                            ! "  TRADITION " !
of the japanese people?   Get the fuck going here man, cuz j00 (ALSO spelled jew) r missn 0U+ 0n +h3 r3@L   ©uL+uR3 $h0©k m@n..... Didn't I say it would be big?                                                                                                                                                                                                         translation:   I enjoy much about japanese culture.  Perhaps they will be the first fuckers to fuck reality up for real?  You know?  Minds converge real time with perceptions and reality like a mad dog in a punch bowl

                        VIRTUAL REALITY

Ouch.  Sorry about the fonts.           :vom:                 



You think you're cute,

but you're not
.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2008, 06:07:47 AM
 :kojak:
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Triple Zero on April 08, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on April 08, 2008, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: triple zero on April 07, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
there's Covenant, this danish industrial/cybergoth band...

This is interesting, because the baned named Covenant I know is Swedish and does EBM.  Perhaps "interesting" is the wrong word.


yeah, my mistake. thought they were danish.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 08, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Pope Naughty Nasturtiums
Perhaps they were Okinawan? Or perhaps from Hokkaido? I've heard that their are a lot of dialects in Japan that differ from the "standard" Kanto/Kansai dialect. 

Yeah, Japanese dialects are pretty out there.  Though I don't think kansai-ben is exactly the standard.  If you speak Kansai you're normally labeled as a country bumpkin.

Even outside of geography, the way people speak in Japan is usually far different than textbook Japanese.  This is mostly because colloquial Japanese involves dropping pretty much as many words as you can get away with and changing the vowels on the rest.  I'm convinced they do it just to fuck with the devil-foreigners.

In regards to the commonly-found "zomg japanese is liek teh most awesom thing evar" feeling, parodied (I hope) earlier in this thread, my only response is that Japanese culture/tradition is pretty much fucked.  Many Japanese people could certainly do with a little bar-changing.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Daruko on April 08, 2008, 07:21:36 PM
they do make a lot of crazy shows/movies though.. stuff i don't think you'd see from anywhere else.     See:   Takashi Miike http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586281/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0586281/)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: e on April 08, 2008, 07:24:48 PM
Takashi Miike is awesome.  When I took a course on japanese film in university, the professor showed us about half of his movies.  Good stuff.

I had him confused with elseone.  His stuff is crazy but still pretty amusing.  Definitely lends weight to the "Japan is fucked" argument, though :P
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Nast on April 09, 2008, 04:37:48 AM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on April 08, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Pope Naughty Nasturtiums
Perhaps they were Okinawan? Or perhaps from Hokkaido? I've heard that their are a lot of dialects in Japan that differ from the "standard" Kanto/Kansai dialect. 

Yeah, Japanese dialects are pretty out there.  Though I don't think kansai-ben is exactly the standard.  If you speak Kansai you're normally labeled as a country bumpkin.

Ah, I see now. For some reason I was under the impression that people from Kansai (Kyoto and Kobe) spoke mostly close to standard, and that only Osaka had the accent. But now I learned that all three of those cities have different manners of speech, as well as the surrounding countryside.
Interesting...
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: lolwut666 on April 24, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?

check out the appendices
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: hooplala on April 24, 2008, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: lolwut666 on April 24, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?

check out the appendices

I skipped the appendices the first time I read it, and now they are probably my favourite parts.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 24, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 24, 2008, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: lolwut666 on April 24, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?

check out the appendices

I skipped the appendices the first time I read it, and now they are probably my favourite parts.

Well, that's where all the real Illuminati secrets are hiding anyway.

Also, I made some Alamut Black Hash per the formula in Illuminatus. That was some trippy stuff.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: hooplala on April 24, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 24, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 24, 2008, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: lolwut666 on April 24, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?

check out the appendices

I skipped the appendices the first time I read it, and now they are probably my favourite parts.

Well, that's where all the real Illuminati secrets are hiding anyway.

Also, I made some Alamut Black Hash per the formula in Illuminatus. That was some trippy stuff.

Where'd you get your hands on Belladonna?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 24, 2008, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 24, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 24, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 24, 2008, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: lolwut666 on April 24, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
I read half of the first chapter, and I'm really not feeling like it's worth while.
So, I'd like to know from some fellow Discordians:
Is the Illuminatus Trilogy worth it?
Should I continue reading it?
Or is it just some irrelevant novel?

check out the appendices

I skipped the appendices the first time I read it, and now they are probably my favourite parts.

Well, that's where all the real Illuminati secrets are hiding anyway.

Also, I made some Alamut Black Hash per the formula in Illuminatus. That was some trippy stuff.

Where'd you get your hands on Belladonna?

A) it helps to have a fiance' that has great knowledge of plants.
B) Belladonna actually grows wild in Ohio, both Deadly Nightshade variety and the less deadly form.
C) The hardest stuff to find was the Stramonium, but the local Conservatory has a giant patch of Angel's Trumpet growing in their front yard.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: NWC on May 03, 2008, 04:56:15 AM
I loved it, although having read it, I'm 100% positive that Coldstone Creamery, one of the places I work at, is an Illuminati front.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 03, 2008, 05:15:41 AM
Quote from: NWC on May 03, 2008, 04:56:15 AM
I loved it, although having read it, I'm 100% positive that Coldstone Creamery, one of the places I work at, is an Illuminati front.

I scraped the labels off of every empty bottle of prescription medication I threw away, and disposed of the pieces in separate trash bags, for about a month after I read the book.

Hold onto the paranoia as long as you can.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: NWC on May 03, 2008, 06:56:50 AM
Diagnosed paranoid schizo here, it's never going away :D

And I don't have to worry about prescription bottle labels anymore, I stopped taking my meds awhile ago, at which point my mind started breathing again.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Triple Zero on May 03, 2008, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2008, 05:15:41 AMI scraped the labels off of every empty bottle of prescription medication I threw away, and disposed of the pieces in separate trash bags, for about a month after I read the book.

why?

although, i gotta admit, i did go "huh???" when i saw some people carrying a cardboard box with a big eye printed on it (probably packaging for a TV) on the streets, because box = cube => pyramid, eye, illuminati .. RAW did something very right ..

though i also don't think a similarly powerful book can have the same effect on me again, call it jaded, call it burned out, but ... i think i need stronger stuff. i'll try memorizing godel's incompleteness theorem by head or something :)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 03, 2008, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: triple zero on May 03, 2008, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2008, 05:15:41 AMI scraped the labels off of every empty bottle of prescription medication I threw away, and disposed of the pieces in separate trash bags, for about a month after I read the book.

why?


Irrational paranoia. It wore off, though. Now I am very rationally paranoid about the radio-trans-whatever-the-fuck the Government put on my water heater. No joke, everyone in the neighborhood (a military housing base, btw) got one, and it's got a little green light and one of those tamper-evident locks. We all got letters telling us how it's supposed to help in the event of a power outage or save energy or some such fnordy nonsense.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Triple Zero on May 03, 2008, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2008, 07:35:32 PMIrrational paranoia. It wore off, though. Now I am very rationally paranoid about the radio-trans-whatever-the-fuck the Government put on my water heater. No joke, everyone in the neighborhood (a military housing base, btw) got one, and it's got a little green light and one of those tamper-evident locks. We all got letters telling us how it's supposed to help in the event of a power outage or save energy or some such fnordy nonsense.

right i think i saw something similar once on a central heating system shared by several people in the same house.

i supposed it measures temperature differentials over time, and sort of roughly calculates the energy-use per unit, so people can be billed depending on how much they use.

the odd thing is, that it appeared to be wireless. and i don't believe that any gvmt guy would come to every heating-unit separate and download the data (i didn't see a data port on it either), so my guess would be that it wirelessly transmits the data to some central processing device in the house somewhere (probably near the main central heater / kettle thing).

seems very high-tech for something like that, especially since i can't imagine the energy company caring about people in the house complaining about unfair energy bills, as long as the amount for one housing unit adds up, right? the users can't prove anything anyway.

but most importantly, i figured that if it was wireless data, i'm 99% sure it's not encrypted (properly), if i'd live there i'd jam or tamper with the signal or something, just for the fun of it :)

btw i just remembered i googled the brandname on the device, and it indeed turned out to be what i thought it was (i still think it's a bit high tech for what it does, but apparently it's worth it or it wouldnt exist)
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Boozer on May 04, 2008, 09:48:27 AM
I got a letter saying the water causes diseases and is not safe to drink... or some shit, but none of that matters when there is no kool-aid left.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Wow, yeah, I forgot about the sign experiment... Thanks for reminding me.

It's kind of disappointing how many people stop at the Model Agnosticism though, without ever trying the experiments.  I mean, sure you've realized there is no single objective reality out there.  But now why wouldn't you want to go out and experience all those exotic amazing varieties of reality... now that you realize how flexible your reality can be, wouldn't you want to fuck with it? 

I'm not suggesting one has to... really it'd just be nice to know some more people in real life that are as eager as I am in doing it.

To most people, the idea of fucking with their own reality would be a scary concept. I'm only just beginning to get used to messing with it through weed- if I ever managed to alter my reality WITHOUT something to blame it on, I'd phr34k.

Could you imagine if you could train your mind to see things that weren't there? What if you couldn't turn it off, and you never knew WHAT was really there? You could even re-set your head to where everything's back to normal. But would you believe it?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Wow, yeah, I forgot about the sign experiment... Thanks for reminding me.

It's kind of disappointing how many people stop at the Model Agnosticism though, without ever trying the experiments.  I mean, sure you've realized there is no single objective reality out there.  But now why wouldn't you want to go out and experience all those exotic amazing varieties of reality... now that you realize how flexible your reality can be, wouldn't you want to fuck with it? 

I'm not suggesting one has to... really it'd just be nice to know some more people in real life that are as eager as I am in doing it.

To most people, the idea of fucking with their own reality would be a scary concept. I'm only just beginning to get used to messing with it through weed- if I ever managed to alter my reality WITHOUT something to blame it on, I'd phr34k.


Newsflash... you alter your reality all the time without anything (other than your own neurological system) to blame it on. Feel free to begin phr34k1ng.

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Could you imagine if you could train your mind to see things that weren't there? What if you couldn't turn it off, and you never knew WHAT was really there? You could even re-set your head to where everything's back to normal. But would you believe it?

You are already there... the only questions is "Can YOU accept the TRUTH?"
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: hooplala on May 12, 2008, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Newsflash... you alter your reality all the time without anything (other than your own neurological system) to blame it on. Feel free to begin phr34k1ng.


True.  My whole world view changes after eating a bad Filet O'Fish.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 12, 2008, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: daruko on April 07, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Wow, yeah, I forgot about the sign experiment... Thanks for reminding me.

It's kind of disappointing how many people stop at the Model Agnosticism though, without ever trying the experiments.  I mean, sure you've realized there is no single objective reality out there.  But now why wouldn't you want to go out and experience all those exotic amazing varieties of reality... now that you realize how flexible your reality can be, wouldn't you want to fuck with it? 

I'm not suggesting one has to... really it'd just be nice to know some more people in real life that are as eager as I am in doing it.

To most people, the idea of fucking with their own reality would be a scary concept. I'm only just beginning to get used to messing with it through weed- if I ever managed to alter my reality WITHOUT something to blame it on, I'd phr34k.


Newsflash... you alter your reality all the time without anything (other than your own neurological system) to blame it on. Feel free to begin phr34k1ng.
Quote


True.  My whole world view changes after eating a bad Filet O'Fish.


There is such a thing as a good Filer O'Fish?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 07:47:47 PM
 :eek: I'm an eel! Oh noes!
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: hooplala on May 12, 2008, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 07:46:36 PMThere is such a thing as a good Filer O'Fish?

Not really, but some are worse than others.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
I think my brain's broken. Er....

Can I borrow yours?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
I think my brain's broken. Er....

Can I borrow yours?

I rent it out at a reasonable fee.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:56:58 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
I think my brain's broken. Er....

Can I borrow yours?

I rent it out at a reasonable fee.


Ooh, goody! Ratatosk, you're a lifesaver.
Now all I need to do is find where I put my wallet.....
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 09:03:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on April 07, 2008, 01:41:04 AM
I HAD to be stoned while reading it.

It seriously turned me right off all the fucking numerology and mystical bulshit.


I'm not one for numerology, but I find it and mystical bullshit to be quite logical. Implausible, but still logical.

However, I find that there ARE strange coincidences. And while I believe in being skeptical about anything irrational, I still don't like it when there's ALOT of strange coindincedences.

Such as the fact that, numerologically, my birthday adds up to 32, which puts me in the 5th category. And my brother's birthday adds up to 23. 5th category.

It IS odd.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Cramulus on May 13, 2008, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
I think my brain's broken. Er....

Can I borrow yours?

I rent it out at a reasonable fee.

you don't want Rat's brain. Many suspect it is, in fact, a walnut.

(http://k53.pbase.com/o6/31/498631/1/71724570.EOoDGttA.061215SharWd084.jpg)

"Mmmmmm braaaains"
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 13, 2008, 04:21:31 AM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 13, 2008, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 12, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
I think my brain's broken. Er....

Can I borrow yours?

I rent it out at a reasonable fee.

you don't want Rat's brain. Many suspect it is, in fact, a walnut.

(http://k53.pbase.com/o6/31/498631/1/71724570.EOoDGttA.061215SharWd084.jpg)

"Mmmmmm braaaains"


NO YUO!
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2008, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: TheLastLump on May 12, 2008, 09:03:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on April 07, 2008, 01:41:04 AM
I HAD to be stoned while reading it.

It seriously turned me right off all the fucking numerology and mystical bulshit.


I'm not one for numerology, but I find it and mystical bullshit to be quite logical. Implausible, but still logical.

However, I find that there ARE strange coincidences. And while I believe in being skeptical about anything irrational, I still don't like it when there's ALOT of strange coindincedences.

Such as the fact that, numerologically, my birthday adds up to 32, which puts me in the 5th category. And my brother's birthday adds up to 23. 5th category.

It IS odd.

Please recall the unwritten second half of the Law of Fives.
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: TheLastLump on May 13, 2008, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 13, 2008, 03:41:05 PM
Please recall the unwritten second half of the Law of Fives.

Okay... so what does this bogus "phenomenon" have to do with the law about five missing socks in the laundry showing up in nebraska?
Title: Re: Illuminatus Trilogy
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2008, 08:59:01 PM
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