Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: P3nT4gR4m on April 10, 2008, 04:45:40 AM

Title: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 10, 2008, 04:45:40 AM
... first a little history lesson

In the beginning was discordia and it was hippies and tripping and thinking for yourself, as long as you were thinking about peace and love and good happiness stuff

And discordia was all about - "everyones a pope"


(http://www.sixtiescity.com/Culture/Images/hippies.jpg)

Then came the internets

And what, in retrospect, has come to be known as web-1.0 and it was nerds and scripting and pioneering dotcom startups, as long as you were well away before the arse fell out of it

And web-1.0 was all about - "the nerds shall inherit the earth"

(http://res.sys-con.com/story/aug05/124432/Nerds_the_Musical_1.jpg)

Then came web-2.0 and it was mashups and blogspheres and rich internet applications, as long as you were online you could be making money more efficiently or communicating with friends around the world

and web2.0 was all about - "the users have inherited the power"

(http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ph2005042201818.jpg)

Well I say it's high time we upgraded discordia too

In discordia-1.0 we were all popes, well I say fuck that - in discordia-2.0 we are all gods!

Join the discordia-2.0 pantheon gold rush people and stake your claim (no dominion parking please - lets keep this fair)

for example and straight off the top of my head
(if I've missed you then fuck it - obviously I just don't love you enough or some shit)

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3066/lmnofr5.png)
LMNO - the god of alpahbets and little segments thereof

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/pdpaynewt8.png)
Payne - the god of falling downstairs and breaking your fall with your face

(http://www.dermona.de/nwa/images/shows/show36/batista1.jpg)
Hunter - the god of demonic hatred

(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8374/bobgy2.gif)
TGGR - the god of precision hatred

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/headfuck2.gif)
Silly Cybin - the god of random hatred

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/RWHN/large968.jpg)
RWHN - the god of terrible puns and even worse noseflutery

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1177;type=avatar)
Cramulus - the god of fake moustaches

(http://kaousuu.net/starwars/isard_glam.png)
SUU - the god of needlecraft

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1276;type=avatar)
Cain - the god of politics and war

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1120/000bykaousuu2qw8.png)
000 - the god of all Holland and perhaps a little of sweden too

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1186;type=avatar)
Ratatosk - the god of namedropping

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1202;type=avatar)
ECH - the god of cooking

(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1349;type=avatar)
Davedim - the god of ginger hair

... the rest is up to you - post your name, role in the discordia2.0 pantheon and optional mythos which may or may not be related to that gliffy Cram was hacking together the other week.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 10, 2008, 06:11:02 AM
Cainad,
God of mediocrity and looking like a Red Sea Pedestrian
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 10, 2008, 07:38:48 AM
Requiem - God of being a joiner,
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 10, 2008, 08:54:21 AM
OP =  :lulz:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: barumunk on April 10, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
just to add my few cents (south african ones at that, so they're worth even less)

In the begining:
Hippies: "love and peace for all" -------> And discordia was all about - "Everyones a Pope"

Then:
Web 1.0: "The nerds shall inherit the earth" ----->  "Discordians shall inherit the earth"

Now:
Web 2.0: "The Users have inherited the power"    -----> Those that follow Discordia shall each make up and intergrated part of the whole
                                                                             and thereby be omnipotent and so "shall control the earth not just inherit it."
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Faust on April 10, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
Not in it, you're going on a list  :argh!:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 10, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 10, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
Not in it, you're going on a list  :argh!:

Quote

... the rest is up to you - post your name, role in the discordia2.0 pantheon and optional mythos which may or may not be related to that gliffy Cram was hacking together the other week.


LERN2REED, n00b!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Faust on April 10, 2008, 11:44:55 AM
I read it but it required effort.

Faust
-One of the many gods of apathy and laziness.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 10, 2008, 11:52:27 AM
(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1307;type=avatar)

Faust- God of lazy, whiney bitches.  :lulz:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 10, 2008, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 10, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
Not in it, you're going on a list  :argh!:

Quote from: me
if I've missed you then fuck it - obviously I just don't love you enough or some shit

I am not a kind, generous and loving god of random hatred  :argh!:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Dido on April 10, 2008, 12:37:42 PM
No. You are not. We know that you are not, you do not need to try that hard to prove it. :evil:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 10, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Nigel: God of inanity and soup.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 10, 2008, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Nigel: God of Cones! Cones! Cones!

Fixt
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 10, 2008, 05:23:20 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Nigel: I-cone-ical God

fixed better  :wink:

damn Payne, you've got uncanny timing...or I do. 
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on April 10, 2008, 07:07:25 PM
TLU: God of quietly lurking
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bu🤠ns on April 10, 2008, 07:34:15 PM
burns: God of buns.  all kinds.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 10, 2008, 09:25:15 PM
 :lulz: Payne and Rev.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: e on April 10, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
You know, I could have sworn POPE was an abbreviation for something, but now I can't find what it was...  Also, I just added a link to discordian under the pope (disambiguation) page on wiki.  hurrah.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hooplala on April 11, 2008, 02:07:24 PM
Silly, you are now on my list for leaving me out of yet ANOTHER shitty pd.com list of users.

BVH
-considering another trip out on the WAAAAAAAAbulance
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 11, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: TheStripèdOne on April 10, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
You know, I could have sworn POPE was an abbreviation for something, but now I can't find what it was...  Also, I just added a link to discordian under the pope (disambiguation) page on wiki.  hurrah.

You may be thinking of POEE (Paratheo-anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric) the Pope thing was a twist on the Universal Life Church which believes everyone should be a minister/reverend... the Joshua Norton Cabal and crew decided that we all might as well be Popes too. RAW later took the Pope gag and used it in metaphor to say that we are all infallible, as long as we're only discussing the stuff as perceived within our neurological system: "I saw what appeared to me as a flying saucer" is true and infallible (unless its an outright lie).

"I saw a flying saucer" is not infallible, as you may have seen a sunspot or a pie plate on a string or a secret government project... or a plate of flying lasagna.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Dido on April 11, 2008, 04:20:38 PM
There's the genie again. Someone put a plug on that bottle or lamp or whatever. Pretty please.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: e on April 11, 2008, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 11, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
"I saw a flying saucer" is not infallible, as you may have seen a sunspot or a pie plate on a string or a secret government project... or a plate of flying lasagna.

Damn that FSM!  He's everywhere!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 11, 2008, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 11, 2008, 04:18:08 PM


You may be thinking of POEE (Paratheo-anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric) the Pope thing was a twist on the Universal Life Church which believes everyone should be a minister/reverend... the Joshua Norton Cabal and crew decided that we all might as well be Popes too.

You can even get an official "Pope" certificate  from the ULC for your wall. I was thinking about getting one.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: A.N. Other on April 13, 2008, 04:55:35 AM
K-Scar: God of Poorly Chosen Names and Jumping on the Bandwagon A Little Too Late
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 13, 2008, 05:12:08 AM
We should prolly hang out on some mythical mountain or feasting hall or something

ideas on a postcard
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 13, 2008, 08:25:20 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that we hang out in a Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 01:48:26 AM
I guess there is a point of liooking for an uptdate in discordianism, we are not all old hippies and also not all americans. This is a good point.
What gets me with this new line of thought along this PIB business is this impact of negativity in the whole thing. I might be getting things wrong, but assuming that me as someone who is of couse in one way or another part of a socienty that also programmes your whole self and behaviour is a one way of looking at reality. Of course my surroundings influnce me, of course I can gain a false sense fo freedom or creativity and still be trapped between the samem old hinges the other people are sitting in. On the other hand I can choose to use one pattern somewhere where another pattern entirely is required to be developed by each individual being. If this pattern-change is used and used you soften the oh so black iron walls. BIP in my eyes is what society wants you to do. Eat this for breakfast, but if you eat that breakfast thing for dinner you are weird. Silly and very mundane example, but good enough to sosrt of make my point. It is BIP that makers of popular media seem to claim they are "making things the masses want" whereas I rather guess that they make what they want the masses to want. Making new walls, remodelling them to their needs. If you see this, you can avoid the builders and be somewhere else compleatly in your head.

21st century discordianism also melts with other new spoof religions or whatever you  may call them. I have just as much embraced the FSM as a very handy gaget to make certain points. Philosophies or un-philosophies are all gagets you can use to guide your mind to where you want it to be. sometimes it can be easy, other times you have to really work stuff out. for yourself in the end. taling to people might give you new ideas or sprout a new path somewhere, but you are the one who walks it. Alone.

Self-responsibility. Not taking the self too seriously. Old hats but still important as ever, dear hippieheads. being able to see yourself from a "bird" point of view can help. Not just for boring old dark self chritisism to tear yourself apart but also to gain a new insight into situations, see new really amusing things about realitiy you missed out on due to just looking out from your perspective. Jump. bounce. go out and do things. communicate these things and bring them back to your pals online if you wish.

this fuels the modern globalized discordian mind. we are more globalized than we think we are. Look at the impact japanese pop-culture has made on us. look at places like 4chan, look at lots of avatars here. whereas europe used to love aping american pop culture suddenly japan and even indian bollywood stuff is really hip and cool. this also comes into discordian thought and expression without it ev en being noticed in the concious level at first. it just flows because it is natural for the zeitgeist of the momet.

look at what anonymous is doing. every month now people are meeding up to face "old fashioned word alert for roger - theehe" some form of graface incarnation also known as CO$. for me it may be labelled "greyface" because this label comes naturally to my mouldy mind but others m ay call this phenomena capitalist fashism of the mind or whatever you like to call those freaks. be my guest to name them anything but a real religion.
A whole new set of global memes are being adapted and created in all anon-related web forums and being dragged out into reality, changed and adapted there again and carried back into the virtual world.

This is where I see the future. The crossing between both worlds. Technology bein mroe available to link up to others from wherever you are. Flashmobs, spontainious raids, mindfucks or whatever rocks your boat.

Just go out there and enjoy what life has to gibe you. BIP can be easily recognized and transformed and broken out of without going through some crazed and depresses scenario I have read in the documens here. So gen X. And that is so long ago dears.  Patterns are patterns that can be changed, altered, jumped onto and made fun of and with. wiggle your way though to your own happiness. run into walls, get caught up and get out again. realize that reality is  more than meets the eye and use this.

now enough talk for tonight.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 14, 2008, 02:14:51 AM
Quote from: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 01:48:26 AM
we are not all old hippies and also not all americans.

Is English your first language?
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 14, 2008, 04:16:45 AM
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the BIP; it's not "what society wants you to do", it's what YOU THINK SOCIETY WANTS YOU TO DO, and what YOU THINK you should do, and what YOU THINK the world is.  You can define it however you wish, though.... it's your prison.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Thurnez Isa on April 14, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 04:16:45 AM
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the BIP; it's not "what society wants you to do", it's what YOU THINK SOCIETY WANTS YOU TO DO, and what YOU THINK you should do, and what YOU THINK the world is.  You can define it however you wish, though.... it's your prison.

I sometimes like to feed the trolls too
:)

but i think this makes me bad person
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 14, 2008, 04:28:48 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on April 14, 2008, 02:14:51 AM
Quote from: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 01:48:26 AM
we are not all old hippies and also not all americans.

Is English your first language?

Yeah, but the snaggletoof kind.

She's a Brit.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 14, 2008, 05:41:27 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 14, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 04:16:45 AM
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the BIP; it's not "what society wants you to do", it's what YOU THINK SOCIETY WANTS YOU TO DO, and what YOU THINK you should do, and what YOU THINK the world is.  You can define it however you wish, though.... it's your prison.

I sometimes like to feed the trolls too
:)

but i think this makes me bad person

Please, I feel like I'm in the rec.crafts heirarchy right now.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 14, 2008, 08:35:14 AM
Quote from: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 01:48:26 AMTL;DR

do you just look at thread titles to see if something is on-topic?
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Iason Ouabache on April 14, 2008, 08:44:44 AM
IasonOuabache:  The god of Google-fu and ugly brown rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_River).
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 04:16:45 AM
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the BIP; it's not "what society wants you to do", it's what YOU THINK SOCIETY WANTS YOU TO DO, and what YOU THINK you should do, and what YOU THINK the world is.  You can define it however you wish, though.... it's your prison.

That's also fine with me. Goes the same way  -  actually because your perception of a condition creates what you also see as "what people" want. even if you are just maybe making it up or the group you are in/society you are living in has simmilar perceptions in their minds - you you would say prisons.

It's like being obsessed with what the neighbors would say - even though they might not even notice you are alive. Or they have the exact same film running for themselves in their noddyheady and that's where the party starts. Vicious circle thingy.

Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 14, 2008, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 13, 2008, 05:12:08 AM
We should prolly hang out on some mythical mountain or feasting hall or something

it should also have a pool on the roof!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Ace Rimming on April 14, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 14, 2008, 04:16:45 AM
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the BIP; it's not "what society wants you to do", it's what YOU THINK SOCIETY WANTS YOU TO DO, and what YOU THINK you should do, and what YOU THINK the world is.  You can define it however you wish, though.... it's your prison.

That's also fine with me. Goes the same way  -  actually because your perception of a condition creates what you also see as "what people" want. even if you are just maybe making it up or the group you are in/society you are living in has simmilar perceptions in their minds - you you would say prisons.

It's like being obsessed with what the neighbors would say - even though they might not even notice you are alive. Or they have the exact same film running for themselves in their noddyheady and that's where the party starts. Vicious circle thingy.



Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.

But what you can do is understand these facts, and act accordingly; understand that your view of reality is edited, and know that you can change the editing process, if you choose.

That, essentially, is BIP. 



LMNO
-sick of all this "oh, it's so depressing/I've already escaped from my BIP" shit.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 14, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
Change from Black Iron Prison to Black Iron Prism  :lulz:

Also Troll sucks. Troll properly Damnit - this half arsed shit is going nowhere  :argh!:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mangrove on April 14, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
Mangrove - God of the sort of people who get excluded from lists.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hooplala on April 14, 2008, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on April 14, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
Mangrove - God of the sort of people who get excluded from lists.

My new god!!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 14, 2008, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 14, 2008, 04:28:48 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on April 14, 2008, 02:14:51 AM

Is English your first language?

Yeah, but the snaggletoof kind.

She's a Brit.

So I was supposed to understand that rambling abortion of a post.

Awwwww....
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: rong on April 21, 2008, 10:44:04 AM
i'll lay claim to god of self reference.

it would be sweet if there was a god of dammit!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 21, 2008, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PMOk, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.

Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

:facepalm:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 12:19:47 PM
=) :lulz:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 02:18:56 PM
hey triple zero, slightly off-topic... are you really Dutch? You born in NL?

I'm moving there this year...
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 21, 2008, 03:09:08 PM
yep. i'm really dutch. but if you wanna talk about dutchland, start a new thread in apple talk or PM me (for ontopicness)
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 21, 2008, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 21, 2008, 03:09:08 PM
yep. i'm really dutch. but if you wanna talk about dutchland, start a new thread in apple talk or PM me (for ontopicness)

"ontopicness"???


THEY'VE KIDNAPPED ZILCH - HELP!  :eek:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 21, 2008, 04:46:30 PM
HEEEEEEEEELP IM BEING KIDNAPPED
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 21, 2008, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

See #4, spag.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 21, 2008, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: Cainad on April 21, 2008, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

See #4, spag.

I was reading 'The Doors of Perception" last night and I was struck by Huxley's discussion of his first Mescalin trip.

QuoteReflecting on my experience, I find myself agreeing with the eminent Cambridge philosopher, Dr. C. D. Broad, "that we should do well to consider much more seriously than we have hitherto been inclined to do the type of theory which Bergson put forward in connection with memory and sense perception. The suggestion is that the function of the brain and nervous system and sense organs is in the main eliminative and not productive. Each person is at each moment capable of remembering all that has ever happened to him and of perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe. The function of the brain and nervous system is to protect us from being overwhelmed and confused by this mass of largely useless and irrelevant knowledge, by shutting out most of what we should otherwise perceive or remember at any moment, and leaving only that very small and special selection which is likely to be practically useful." According to such a theory, each one of us is potentially Mind at Large. But in so far as we are animals, our business is at all costs to survive. To make biological survival possible, Mind at Large has to be funneled through the reducing valve of the brain and nervous system. What comes out at the other end is a measly trickle of the kind of consciousness which will help us to stay alive on the surface of this Particular planet. To formulate and express the contents of this reduced awareness, man has invented and endlessly elaborated those symbol-systems and implicit philosophies which we call languages. Every individual is at once the beneficiary and the victim of the linguistic tradition into which he has been born - the beneficiary inasmuch as language gives access to the accumulated records of other people's experience, the victim in so far as it confirms him in the belief that reduced awareness is the only awareness and as it bedevils his sense of reality, so that he is all too apt to take his concepts for data, his words for actual things. That which, in the language of religion, is called "this world" is the universe of reduced awareness, expressed, and, as it were, petrified by language. The various "other worlds," with which human beings erratically make contact are so many elements in the totality of the awareness belonging to Mind at Large. Most people, most of the time, know only what comes through the reducing valve and is consecrated as genuinely real by the local language. Certain persons, however, seem to be born with a kind of by-pass that circumvents the reducing valve. In others temporary by-passes may be acquired either spontaneously, or as the result of deliberate "spiritual exercises," or through hypnosis, or by means of drugs. Through these permanent or temporary by-passes there flows, not indeed the perception "of everything that is happening everywhere in the universe" (for the by-pass does not abolish the reducing valve, which still excludes the total content of Mind at Large), but something more than, and above ah something different from, the carefully selected utilitarian material which our narrowed, individual minds regard as a complete, or at least sufficient, picture of reality.

QuoteThese effects of mescalin are the sort of effects you could expect to follow the administration of a drug having the power to impair the efficiency of the cerebral reducing valve. When the brain runs out of sugar, the undernourished ego grows weak, can't be bothered to undertake the necessary chores, and loses all interest in those spatial and temporal relationships which mean so much to an organism bent on getting on in the world. As Mind at Large seeps past the no longer watertight valve, all kinds of biologically useless things start to happen. In some cases there may be extra-sensory perceptions. Other persons discover a world of visionary beauty. To others again is revealed the glory, the infinite value and meaningfulness of naked existence, of the given, unconceptualized event. In the final stage of egolessness there is an "obscure knowledge" that All is in all - that All is actually each. This is as near, I take it, as a finite mind can ever come to "perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe."

I think this is an excellent assessment of the limits of drug induced "perception". It does appear that various substances can decrease the 'filtering' that our brain does under normal circumstances... but it cannot completely remove ALL filtering. Or at least, not in any experience I have had.

However, that still doesn't negate my opinion that a black iron prison, appears to me, as a negative symbol. I continue to sort this concept and examine it from different perspectives... while I find some perspectives where the BiP works... I think I dislike the sort of eternal condemnation that is evoked when I consider the statement that we are all born in a prison cell and we shall all die in a prison cell. To me, it feels like Theatens or Original Sin, "YOU ARE SCREWED AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO UNLESS YOU LISTEN TO US!" Now, from another angle, I agree completely that we will always have some constraints on our field of perception... but I think my love of symbolism and its attendant psychological effect causes me to dislike the BiP as a metaphor.

However, no matter how I feel about the BiP, I agree that drugs don't let you escape it. Maybe drugs combined with lots of self-reflection and will to change... but not just trippin balls.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 21, 2008, 07:55:14 PM
Drugs can't allow you to experience that which you've never experienced.  If someone had never heard of a camel, never seen a camel, has zero knowledge of camels, they would not visualize camels in a drug-induced state.  Just like a newborn baby is going to have dreams about pizza or cars or elephants. 
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 21, 2008, 07:59:24 PM
It's more the big things that drugs tackle. Huxley talks a great deal about his experiences with the concept of time. That's a pretty big initiation the first time it happens. Doors of perception are opened, new avenues of possibility become available.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 08:00:45 PM
The first time you experience non-linear time....

Jesus...
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 21, 2008, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on November 22, 2006, 06:34:56 PM

Some inexplicable period of time, not earlier or later but rather sideways


Best way I could describe it  :lulz:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 21, 2008, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 21, 2008, 07:55:14 PM
Drugs can't allow you to experience that which you've never experienced.  If someone had never heard of a camel, never seen a camel, has zero knowledge of camels, they would not visualize camels in a drug-induced state.  Just like a newborn baby is going to have dreams about pizza or cars or elephants. 

Well, maybe. At the very least, in a drug induced state one could experience what they believe a camel would be like... its relation to a real camel may be close or quite distant.  :fnord:

However, that wasn't really the point of what Huxley was saying, I don't think... at least I have found anywhere where he claims to perceive camels without camels actually being around in some sense.

Throughout his writing, particularly the record of his first trip (which was audio taped with researchers etc), he makes a point that his perception is wider less filtered under mescaline. That is, the stuff that his 'prison bars' blocked suddenly became unblocked. We all see colors, but, in the usual course of the day, most of them fade into the background and are unimportant. Things like the folds of cloth, or the grain of wood... or even the chair or table we make use of... all of these things enter the 'robot' where they are perceived and then dumped, because we have become trained to ignore them (its not important for survival). Huxley's descriptions of them under the influence and his comments above were more about perceiving these things without the robots automatic "scan and dump" programs in place. That is, he tore down his prison bars... temporarily. ;-)

Beyond that, he discusses less physical things, like the concept and perception of time, or interpersonal relationships... all things that we have programs built to handle... or iron bars to confine or *insert metaphor here*.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Jasper on April 21, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

You are the stupidest person who has ever posted here.



Ever.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 21, 2008, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

You are the stupidest person who has ever posted here.



Ever.

well maybe this week anyroad.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 21, 2008, 08:56:18 PM
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D

You are the stupidest person who has ever posted here.



Ever.

Err, I think think of other candidates for that award Felix ;-)
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Name 'em, pussy.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 21, 2008, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Name 'em, pussy.

I Am Not A Rhombus
The Nitwit that Thought "Black Iron" was a Racist comment
AKK

There's three. The politician may outdo them at some point, but I don't think he's anywhere close yet.


Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Jasper on April 21, 2008, 09:04:36 PM
At least Cat~Maxwell could pontificate.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Jasper on April 21, 2008, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 21, 2008, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Name 'em, pussy.

I Am Not A Rhombus
The Nitwit that Thought "Black Iron" was a Racist comment
AKK

There's three. The politician may outdo them at some point, but I don't think he's anywhere close yet.

Sometimes one's hyperbole must depart with reality for comedic emphasis.

YOU DIDNT SEE THAT
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 09:08:53 PM
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 09:05:18 PM
Sometimes one's hyperbole must depart with reality for comedic emphasis.

That's a closely guarded trade secret.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Jasper on April 21, 2008, 09:12:06 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 21, 2008, 09:16:08 PM
Thank God.

You almost killed our entire operation.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 12:19:47 PM
=) :lulz:

Hey, gimme a break namecallers - you all wanted to talk about drugs.. I did you a favour ;)
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 06:38:34 PM

Quote from: Politician168023 on April 21, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: LMNO on April 14, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
Ok, listen up:

1.  You cannot directly percieve everything in the universe simultaneously.
2.  You cannot interpret your perceptions seeing all ideological points of view simultaneously.
3.  No matter what filter or reality grid you use, you will always be editing out something.
4.  Even if you decide to shift grids/filters, you're still editing out something.

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ABOVE CONDITIONS.


Ever tried drugs? ;)  :D


I've probably done more than you, kid.


Next question.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 22, 2008, 06:41:40 PM
Is it just me, or do the smilies in the statement "Ever tried drugs? :wink: :D" make it all the more unbearable?
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Not just you.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cain on April 22, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
I think that was intended to convey irony.

Its ironick.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 22, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Sheesh, I've never done drugs, and I still want to punch those three pearly whites out of the "big grin" one.

Also, thank you Cain, for helping us distinguish real irony from the false kind.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cain on April 22, 2008, 06:53:42 PM
Everything that ends in a c should be spelt with a K, to differentiate it from the Mundane.

Magick
Ironick.
Celtick
Communistick
Stoick
Angelick
Apologetick
Cryptick
Patriotick

Etck, etck...
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 22, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
Or begins, Kcain.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 22, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2008, 06:53:42 PM
Everything that ends in a c should be spelt with a K, to differentiate it from the Mundane.

Magick
Ironick.
Celtick
Communistick
Stoick
Angelick
Apologetick
Cryptick
Patriotick

Etck, etck...

Or PDK, so we can be accused of ripping off PKD even MOAR!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 22, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
Oh, I get it! Just like replacing I's with Y's makes the word antyquated and mystycal?
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 22, 2008, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: Cainad on April 22, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
Oh, I get it! Just like replacing I's with Y's makes the word antyquated and mystycal?

Byngo!
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 07:07:04 PM
What about words that already end in K?

Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 22, 2008, 07:08:41 PM
Get a parkkkka. 
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 22, 2008, 07:10:00 PM
Tack something on there.

Intelligible language is for cabbages.

J wyll beate youe withe ae stycckk.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Xooxe on April 22, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
Vwls r nw ffclly wll gy
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 22, 2008, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: Xooxe on April 22, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
Vwls r nw ffclly wll gy

Wow, its like Hebrew
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 06:38:34 PM


I've probably done more than you, kid.


Next question.
I appreciate your quick remark, and honestly - you people may have taken me a little too seriously.. (I wasnt even refering to you with my post)

But I seriously doubt you have done less drugs than me.

And thanks for calling me a kid, please - feel free to guess my age.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Actually, I was attempting to be kind.


Because if you're an actual adult, and you still post this completely stupid shit, well... That's not something you should be too proud of.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 22, 2008, 08:16:22 PM
old + gobbeldygook + discordia = OFUK another acid casualty  :eek:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Actually, I was attempting to be kind.


Because if you're an actual adult, and you still post this completely stupid shit, well... That's not something you should be too proud of.


Thanks I already edited the post... shit happens, I just feel a bit trampled upon. I found this forum. looked at it for a while. decided it might be cool to join in. and well, you saw what happened.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 22, 2008, 08:16:22 PM
old + gobbeldygook + discordia = OFUK another acid casualty  :eek:
try again
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 22, 2008, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 22, 2008, 08:16:22 PM
old + gobbeldygook + discordia = OFUK another acid casualty  :eek:
try again

You took the letters right out of my mouth...

Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Actually, I was attempting to be kind.


Because if you're an actual adult, and you still post this completely stupid shit, well... That's not something you should be too proud of.


Thanks I already edited the post... shit happens, I just feel a bit trampled upon. I found this forum. looked at it for a while. decided it might be cool to join in. and well, you saw what happened.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 22, 2008, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Actually, I was attempting to be kind.


Because if you're an actual adult, and you still post this completely stupid shit, well... That's not something you should be too proud of.


Thanks I already edited the post... shit happens, I just feel a bit trampled upon. I found this forum. looked at it for a while. decided it might be cool to join in. and well, you saw what happened.

Don't feel too special.  Discourse on pd.com is a full-contact sport.  If you're getting bruised, put on more padding.  
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 22, 2008, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2008, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Actually, I was attempting to be kind.


Because if you're an actual adult, and you still post this completely stupid shit, well... That's not something you should be too proud of.


Thanks I already edited the post... shit happens, I just feel a bit trampled upon. I found this forum. looked at it for a while. decided it might be cool to join in. and well, you saw what happened.

Don't feel too special.  Discourse on pd.com is a full-contact sport.  If you're getting bruised, put on more padding.  

and a cup... I always wear a cup when posting here.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 22, 2008, 08:28:01 PM
I wear nothing but butter and duct tape









did I just say that out loud?  :oops:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: LMNO on April 22, 2008, 08:30:08 PM
I just crazy glue razors onto my cock.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.

if you mean by that, that others will spring to my defense when i get called on arguing dumb shit, that's not the case.

they'll kick my ass.

we're not really a blind family here, quickly changing the subject as the aunt makes a racist remark during dinner.

(btw i don't wanna compare your remark to racism, not even "dumb shit", but it was pretty thoughtless--happens to all but the best of us ;-) )
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 22, 2008, 08:42:32 PM
filthy pirate.   :wink:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.

if you mean by that, that others will spring to my defense when i get called on arguing dumb shit, that's not the case.

they'll kick my ass.
ill believe it when i see it
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
we're not really a blind family here, quickly changing the subject as the aunt makes a racist remark during dinner.

(btw i don't wanna compare your remark to racism, not even "dumb shit", but it was pretty thoughtless--happens to all but the best of us ;-) )

perfectionism doesnt work for me anyways..
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2008, 08:42:32 PM
filthy pirate.   :wink:
pirates r sexy
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 22, 2008, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.

if you mean by that, that others will spring to my defense when i get called on arguing dumb shit, that's not the case.

they'll kick my ass.
ill believe it when i see it

Stick around and you will.  trust me. 
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 22, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.

if you mean by that, that others will spring to my defense when i get called on arguing dumb shit, that's not the case.

they'll kick my ass.
ill believe it when i see it

ok.

let me find a can of worms ... just a moment.

... got it:

i believe that copyright laws should be abolished and everybody should just be able to download whatever music they want because being an artist isn't a real profession, but something people should do in their spare time, so it makes sense that they should offer their works for free.

now, stand back and watch.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: hunter s.durden on April 22, 2008, 09:31:21 PM
I'm a Libertarian (sometimes).
Not all Pro-lifers are bad.
Fuck Jackson Pollack.
Metallica Rules.
It puts the lotion on it's skin!

Give it time.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: AFK on April 22, 2008, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: Politician168023 on April 22, 2008, 08:29:15 PM
Lies, you don't need padding - you have been here long enough to have a front line defense.

if you mean by that, that others will spring to my defense when i get called on arguing dumb shit, that's not the case.

they'll kick my ass.
ill believe it when i see it

ok.

let me find a can of worms ... just a moment.

... got it:

i believe that copyright laws should be abolished and everybody should just be able to download whatever music they want because being an artist isn't a real profession, but something people should do in their spare time, so it makes sense that they should offer their works for free.

now, stand back and watch.

Sorry, quitting time is in a few minutes.   :wink:

But also, here is a good go around I had with LMNO.  I think ECH and TGRR got in on it as well IIRC. 

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=6609.0 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=6609.0)

Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 22, 2008, 09:55:48 PM
You see politician168023?

they won't even jump to my defense about not jumping in to defend me.
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Payne on April 22, 2008, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 09:55:48 PM
You see politician168023?

they won't even jump to my defense about not jumping in to defend me.

YOUR A SPAG
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: BootyBay on April 22, 2008, 10:11:42 PM
BootyBay:  God of the All-Seeing Cock
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 23, 2008, 01:33:41 AM
Quote from: SillyCybin on April 22, 2008, 08:28:01 PM
I wear nothing but butter and duct tape

:fap: :fap: :fap:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Xooxe on April 23, 2008, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 09:26:24 PM

i believe that copyright laws should be abolished and everybody should just be able to download whatever music they want because being an artist isn't a real profession, but something people should do in their spare time, so it makes sense that they should offer their works for free.


What about filmmakers?   :argh!:
Title: Re: I think I know where Discordia goes now...
Post by: Triple Zero on April 24, 2008, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Xooxe on April 23, 2008, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 09:26:24 PM

i believe that copyright laws should be abolished and everybody should just be able to download whatever music they want because being an artist isn't a real profession, but something people should do in their spare time, so it makes sense that they should offer their works for free.


What about filmmakers?   :argh!:

if it's pr0n they should give it away for free

(or leave it at the legislator's offices)

if it's not they should pay ME