None, protesting never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Fuck Maine.
if you feel like you need to defend yourself for being a hypocrite, you're doing it wrong.
I protest the sentiment of the OP in strong terms.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything.
so what you're saying is, people should strike instead of gathering together while screaming slogans.
no! action is too dangerous, and inaction is too ineffective. why not just settle down and accept your fate?
So I went to a really liberal artsy kind of school, packed with far-left ideologies. They had this really moronic protest agains the iraq war in the social science building. Which is stupid, because it's not like the people in the SS building are causing the war or anything. Most of the teachers spoke out against it.
So the protest took the form of everyone wearing makeup to look like they were beat up and bloody, then lying on the floor right inside the front door. They filled the whole lobby / front hall of the building, making it impossible to get in without stepping on people.
So on the day of the protest, I had an exam in this room right on the other side of the protest. Our professor was standing in the door, hopping mad at this moronic protest. She could see that our whole class was waiting by the front door, unable to get to the exam.
So finally this one kid took matters into his own hands. He shouted "FUCK THIS SHIT," got on his bike, and biked right over all the protesters. Others mocked the protestors, pointing out that they are doing a shitty job of playing dead while whining at the guy for biking over them. Other students followed, trampling human beings underfoot so as not to be late to class.
After we got inside, the teacher shut the door, and some asshole with a megaphone started chanting anti-war slogans. The teacher, who was fairly hippie herself, was appauled. Fuck, we were trying to take a test! She bit her lip, called the cops, and had a bunch of people arrested. The protestors, as they were being dragged away, were chanting about how their right to free speech was being violated. I have never wanted to shit on a protest more than that moment
OH WAIT ONE MORE
Second stupidest fucking protest ever.
The on-campus Gay-Lesbian-Bi-Transgender-Union was having a fundraiser. they got all these bands to play, including some campus favorites. Outside of the show, they had some large bull-dyke bouncers who were "Not admitting any straight white males." This was "so they can see what it feels like to be oppressed."
They wouldn't let me in and I said, "How can you tell that I'm white?"
not budging, I followed,
"how can you tell that I'm straight?"
not budging.
I went back to my dorm and wrote an article for the school paper about it.
I mean seriously! Those two protests made me HATE their cause. Such fucking trash.
ahh I got all angry again just thinking about it.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on April 21, 2008, 05:18:49 PM
Which is stupid, because it's not like the people in the SS building are causing the war or anything.
Quoted out of context for teh ironies
wow, that's a bunch of stupid and fail
Did anyone see the Daily Show with the Code Pink freaks protesting a Marine recruiting station at Berkley?
"If the US had no military, there'd be no wars," say one pink laden moron.
Protests! Making the impotent feel important since the dawn of the New Age
The problem with protesters is that, even though they get in the streets and say No, they quit soon enough and go back to accepting things as they are.
Look at your avatar!
If I could give your state back to Canada I would.
Then I would fuse West Virgina and Virginia.
North and South Carolina.
North and South Dakota.
New Mexico, meet Old Mexico.
Fuck Idaho.
Texas becomes it's own country.
Massachusetts is gone. No snappy little plan, just get out.
Leaving us with 42OMGTHATSTHEMEANINGOFTHEUNIVERSEAHHHHHHHAWESOME .
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
The problem with protesters is that, even though they get in the streets and say No, they quit soon enough and go back to accepting things as they are.
Quoted for utterly depressing TROOF
Or highly entertaining troof... depending on your current view of the human species.
Could we build a fence around D.C. to keep politicians out of the country too?
Well, as long as we're not going back to Massachussetts, I'm fine with it.
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
The problem with protesters is that, even though they get in the streets and say No, they quit soon enough and go back to accepting things as they are.
that's what i meant by saying instead of protests that accomplish nothing, there should be strikes, strikes always get something changed...
That or JB Welding all the locks and doors in the building shut.
Quote from: wun-zee-row-fow-er on April 21, 2008, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: Felix on April 21, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
The problem with protesters is that, even though they get in the streets and say No, they quit soon enough and go back to accepting things as they are.
that's what i meant by saying instead of protests that accomplish nothing, there should be strikes, strikes always get something changed...
Air strikes, preferably.
How many internet posters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None, posting on the internet never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2008, 10:30:54 PM
How many internet posters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None, posting on the internet is done in the pursuit of lulz. Its the easy way to say tits or gtfo and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about caturday is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, DIAF. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start the /i/nsurgency. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a newfag. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell Discordians to get a job are the same people who would never hire someone In West Philadelphia.
:lulz:
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything.
Nope. 3,000.
One to bitch about the lightbulb, and 2,999 hippies who show up holding signs for PETA and the WTO.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Fuck off.
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Fuck off.
I've created a monster! :lulz:
Hey, this asswipe is telling me that what I'm doing to save my kids' education is just so much wasted time.
He can fuck off and die because I'll goddammed waste my time ANYWAY I SEE FIT.
And I'd hire a homeless spag anyday. AND HAVE.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 12:51:52 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Fuck off.
I've created a monster! :lulz:
And she's prettier than you too. :x
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:53:26 AM
Hey, this asswipe is telling me that what I'm doing to save my kids' education is just so much wasted time.
He can fuck off and die because I'll goddammed waste my time ANYWAY I SEE FIT.
And I'd hire a homeless spag anyday. AND HAVE.
Actually, I think he's telling you that it doesn't work.
But seriously, this is awesome. You're too lazy to slack off, and you're shitting your hate.
It makes me proud.
Quote from: Payne on April 22, 2008, 12:54:11 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 12:51:52 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 21, 2008, 08:59:04 AM
None, protesting never changed anything. Its the easy way to say you care and condemn those who don't. The fact of the matter is that bitching about something not good enough is simply for ones own entertainment. If you want change, make change. If all you seek is credibility just lie about it. Otherwise get out there and join/start some sort of organisation. Unfortunantly for me, this post automatically makes me a hypocrite. Also, in my defense, anybody who responds is one too.
The people who tell bums to get a job are the same people who would never hire a homeless person.
Fuck off.
I've created a monster! :lulz:
And she's prettier than you too. :x
Duh.
TGRR,
Scares children.
:oops:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 12:54:33 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:53:26 AM
Hey, this asswipe is telling me that what I'm doing to save my kids' education is just so much wasted time.
He can fuck off and die because I'll goddammed waste my time ANYWAY I SEE FIT.
And I'd hire a homeless spag anyday. AND HAVE.
Actually, I think he's telling you that it doesn't work.
But seriously, this is awesome. You're too lazy to slack off, and you're shitting your hate.
It makes me proud.
He's telling me a hypocrite, that it doesn't work, and that I responded so I proved him right.
Fuck yeah he can KHSAFTB.
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 12:54:33 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:53:26 AM
Hey, this asswipe is telling me that what I'm doing to save my kids' education is just so much wasted time.
He can fuck off and die because I'll goddammed waste my time ANYWAY I SEE FIT.
And I'd hire a homeless spag anyday. AND HAVE.
Actually, I think he's telling you that it doesn't work.
But seriously, this is awesome. You're too lazy to slack off, and you're shitting your hate.
It makes me proud.
He's telling me a hypocrite, that it doesn't work, and that I responded so I proved him right.
Fuck yeah he can KHSAFTB.
BOO YAH!
\
:jihaad:
You know what pisses me off about people like this? They might have tried something once or heard about someone who tried something once, it was poorly planned or executed and didn't have near the results they wanted.
So what do they do? Make a better plan, execute it better?
No, they not only give the fuck up, they tell the rest of us making better plans and doing it better that WE are fucked up because we keep trying--BECAUSE *THEY* ARE THE FAILURES.
Like it's OUR fucking fault THEY fail.
*huffs*
Yeah, I don't have much good to say about cockjugglers like this guy.
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:58:25 AM
You know what pisses me off about people like this? They might have tried something once or heard about someone who tried something once, it was poorly planned or executed and didn't have near the results they wanted.
So what do they do? Make a better plan, execute it better?
No, they not only give the fuck up, they tell the rest of us making better plans and doing it better that WE are fucked up because we keep trying--BECAUSE *THEY* ARE THE FAILURES.
Like it's OUR fucking fault THEY fail.
*huffs*
Yeah, I don't have much good to say about cockjugglers like this guy.
RAH! SHIT YOUR HATE OR YOU WILL
DIE!
But protesting doesn't work.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
But protesting doesn't work.
Never did or simply
doesn't?
And, either way, why not?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 12:58:25 AM
You know what pisses me off about people like this? They might have tried something once or heard about someone who tried something once, it was poorly planned or executed and didn't have near the results they wanted.
So what do they do? Make a better plan, execute it better?
No, they not only give the fuck up, they tell the rest of us making better plans and doing it better that WE are fucked up because we keep trying--BECAUSE *THEY* ARE THE FAILURES.
Like it's OUR fucking fault THEY fail.
*huffs*
Yeah, I don't have much good to say about cockjugglers like this guy.
RAH! SHIT YOUR HATE OR YOU WILL DIE!
But protesting doesn't work.
You make baby Jenne cry.,
Actually, I'm not really caring about the protesting at this point. The main goal is to be a pain in the ass, no matter HOW that is achieved. :lulz: If that means making some dipshit legislator come to a neighbor's house so we can bake him cookies and make his ears bleed with our howling, so be it.
Jenne,
Just got a legislator to admit to coming to a neighbor's house this week. HAR!
Quote from: Idem on April 22, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
But protesting doesn't work.
Never did or simply doesn't?
Let's review:
The Bonus Army.
Kent State.
ANY anti Iraq war rally.
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 01:08:33 AM
Just got a legislator to admit to coming to a neighbor's house this week. HAR!
Two words: Hash brownies.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: Idem on April 22, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
But protesting doesn't work.
Never did or simply doesn't?
Let's review:
The Bonus Army.
Kent State.
ANY anti Iraq war rally.
/b/tards against CoS is doing pretty good, however.
It's all in the STYLE.
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 01:08:33 AM
The main goal is to be a pain in the ass, no matter HOW that is achieved.
:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:09:14 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 01:08:33 AM
Just got a legislator to admit to coming to a neighbor's house this week. HAR!
Two words: Hash brownies.
:lulz: Don't I know it. My contact's dried up, more's the pity. (his wife hates me, go figure)
It's going to be a home-grown, welcome-to-the-neighborhood-while-we-insert-our-knife-in-your-breast-smile-more-coffee-CongressmanSir? kind of meeting/protest.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: Idem on April 22, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
But protesting doesn't work.
Never did or simply doesn't?
Let's review:
The Bonus Army.
Kent State.
ANY anti Iraq war rally.
What about civil rights protests (Black rights, women's suffrage)? They had no influence?
Also, those examples listed were collosal failures, yes.
Quote from: Idem on April 22, 2008, 01:11:53 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: Idem on April 22, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2008, 01:05:35 AM
But protesting doesn't work.
Never did or simply doesn't?
Let's review:
The Bonus Army.
Kent State.
ANY anti Iraq war rally.
What about civil rights protests (Black rights, women's suffrage)? They had no influence?
Also, admittedly, those examples were collosal failures, yes.
They never work until someone gets shot.
:sad:
Thats not a problem though. Every movement has someone with a martyr complex. Every single one. Even if its about the local school menu.
Its just a matter of planning and luck after that.
I think its not the protestors fault. I've always said I admire them just for standing up for something. I see them all the time with the Honk for Peace signs, and I honk, and somewhere else somebody gets shot. Damn. But, the problem is that the people capable of making change don't really care about the opinions of the masses. Now, if you get one guy, and he'd probably have to be wearing a suit, to make a well worded speech and get the media invovled, it also helps if he/she pisses a bunch of people off, THEN we might see some progress. Protesting is like voting libertarian; it obviously has the best intentions, but nobody else cares and it gets swept under the rug. The next best thing is to vote for somebody who will make a little bit of a difference and work our way slowly out of the hole we've dug.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:56:41 AM
vote for somebody who will make a little bit of a difference and work our way slowly out of the hole we've dug.
Hah! We'll see about that one. :lulz:
VOTE PON RAUL 2080
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 05:56:41 AM
I think its not the protestors fault. I've always said I admire them just for standing up for something. I see them all the time with the Honk for Peace signs, and I honk, and somewhere else somebody gets shot. Damn. But, the problem is that the people capable of making change don't really care about the opinions of the masses. Now, if you get one guy, and he'd probably have to be wearing a suit, to make a well worded speech and get the media invovled, it also helps if he/she pisses a bunch of people off, THEN we might see some progress. Protesting is like voting libertarian; it obviously has the best intentions, but nobody else cares and it gets swept under the rug. The next best thing is to vote for somebody who will make a little bit of a difference and work our way slowly out of the hole we've dug.
Well Jesus, Shoob, you go on and on as if THAT WASN'T BEING DONE ALREADY. As if protesting and choosing your candidate "wisely" (granted, sometimes an oxymoron!) are mutually exclusive.
So NOT the case, kthxbye.
Yes and no. It is being done, but not by the people wasting effort holding a sign. I guess I'm saying get behind a person, not a piece of cardboard. I feel like I'm stating the obvious, but telling me I'm doing that is also stating the obvious. I'm not even sure we're on the original subject.
Sure. Obvious.
Obviously WHACKED and not engaging in the very practices you're calling down.
But whatever. I will continue to DO WHAT I DO.
I'm feeling a tinge of negative energy. I'm not too sure what you meant by that. I'm not by any means saying that I go out everyday with a cape and change the world with my super-human problem solving skills. If you are going to go out and try to get what you want, and you have a large following, maybe posterboard and a sharpie aren't going to accomplish your goals. There are things I want to change, sure, and I have a plan for that. It just seems so damn difficult for a working action plan to happen and so easy to form a picket line. People seem to have more courage in a group. This is certainly true for me atleast. Its always nice to have people agreeing with you. When somebody stands alone, most of the time they aren't even considered as anything but crazy. Yet, history shows us the majority is often wrong.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 09:15:58 AM
I'm feeling a tinge of negative energy.
Oh boy. It was nice knowing you. :lulz:
Quote from: Jenne on April 22, 2008, 08:44:03 AM
Sure. Obvious.
Obviously WHACKED and not engaging in the very practices you're calling down.
But whatever. I will continue to DO WHAT I DO.
Hang in there Jenne.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Susan B Anthony.
Hawk,
just sayin
Wow! You fags are still here? Maybe you should get off your ass and put some thought into something meaningful instead of a stupid kiddie message board. You're all pawns in the game of life, no matter how much you think about it. You're still retarded no matter how big your words are. You're still missing the point.
There is still time to accept Jesus Christ, he is the only one that can fill the enormous void in your life. He is the definite answer you've been wasting your life looking for. He will save your soul and ease your mind. I too am a mere, flawed mortal. I can only hope others would try to reach me in times of need. This might be your last chance to save your eternity.
I'm protesting this thread.
You know, with these new-fangled CCFL bulbs, people might forget how to change bulbs.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2008, 02:09:34 PM
You know, with these new-fangled CCFL bulbs, people might forget how to change bulbs.
I call being the light bulb replacement specialist! When people forget how to change them, they're going to need to call someone round to change them. I want to be that person!
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 09:15:58 AMI'm feeling a tinge of negative energy. I'm not too sure what you meant by that. I'm not by any means saying that I go out everyday with a cape and change the world with my super-human problem solving skills. If you are going to go out and try to get what you want, and you have a large following, maybe posterboard and a sharpie aren't going to accomplish your goals. There are things I want to change, sure, and I have a plan for that. It just seems so damn difficult for a working action plan to happen and so easy to form a picket line. People seem to have more courage in a group. This is certainly true for me atleast. Its always nice to have people agreeing with you. When somebody stands alone, most of the time they aren't even considered as anything but crazy. Yet, history shows us the majority is often wrong.
Speaking as a mother,
before anyone gets hurt, maybe i can clear this up a littlebit
ShoobyDB thinks protesting is just standing there on a picket line with a poster board and a sharpie. That,
on its own, isn't really going to change much.
Jenne is protesting for something about her kids' education (im not exactly sure what, but i assume it's a good thing), as far as i've understood she's not just standing in a picket line with a board and a sharpie, but organizing and attending meetings, writing letters and whatnot. that's also protesting, and it's the part that does effect change.
In addition to this, the "big mob with poster boards" style of protesting, if done right, raises public awareness, gets you press coverage and works motivational for the people that organize the protests and get other shit done (seeing so many people supporting one's cause).
But, like so many things, purely on its own, it doesnt do much.
The French also know how to protest effectively. You get in the faces of the people in charge, do sit-ins in public office, make a mess of the place and make it difficult for them to do anything without being reminded of your presence. And you of course put pressure on from other angles, from voicing discontent via official channels to elected representatives, up to minor sabotage.
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 09:15:58 AM
I'm feeling a tinge of negative energy. I'm not too sure what you meant by that. I'm not by any means saying that I go out everyday with a cape and change the world with my super-human problem solving skills. If you are going to go out and try to get what you want, and you have a large following, maybe posterboard and a sharpie aren't going to accomplish your goals. There are things I want to change, sure, and I have a plan for that. It just seems so damn difficult for a working action plan to happen and so easy to form a picket line. People seem to have more courage in a group. This is certainly true for me atleast. Its always nice to have people agreeing with you. When somebody stands alone, most of the time they aren't even considered as anything but crazy. Yet, history shows us the majority is often wrong.
WHAT THE FUCK are you ON about, man? Seriously, you don't know a THING about organizing a protest.
"Easy" to form a picket line? Are you KIDDING ME? It's EASY to get sockfuckers AWAY from their cheetos and American Idol? It's EASY to get moms and dads to get someone else to pick up Johnny and Jill from the babysitters so they can plan, execute and stage a protest with those markers and posterboard you are patronizing on and on about?
I don't change my original answer to you: FUCK OFF. When AND IF you ever get your "grand master plan" to change the world underway, then come back and talk about how futile my own efforts which have had TANGIBLE FUCKING RESULTS are so puny and meaningless compared to yours.
Either way, you obviously have no idea what the HELL it is you are talking about.
Quote from: triple zero on April 22, 2008, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 09:15:58 AMI'm feeling a tinge of negative energy. I'm not too sure what you meant by that. I'm not by any means saying that I go out everyday with a cape and change the world with my super-human problem solving skills. If you are going to go out and try to get what you want, and you have a large following, maybe posterboard and a sharpie aren't going to accomplish your goals. There are things I want to change, sure, and I have a plan for that. It just seems so damn difficult for a working action plan to happen and so easy to form a picket line. People seem to have more courage in a group. This is certainly true for me atleast. Its always nice to have people agreeing with you. When somebody stands alone, most of the time they aren't even considered as anything but crazy. Yet, history shows us the majority is often wrong.
Speaking as a mother,
before anyone gets hurt, maybe i can clear this up a littlebit
ShoobyDB thinks protesting is just standing there on a picket line with a poster board and a sharpie. That, on its own, isn't really going to change much.
Jenne is protesting for something about her kids' education (im not exactly sure what, but i assume it's a good thing), as far as i've understood she's not just standing in a picket line with a board and a sharpie, but organizing and attending meetings, writing letters and whatnot. that's also protesting, and it's the part that does effect change.
In addition to this, the "big mob with poster boards" style of protesting, if done right, raises public awareness, gets you press coverage and works motivational for the people that organize the protests and get other shit done (seeing so many people supporting one's cause).
But, like so many things, purely on its own, it doesnt do much.
Oh don't bother trying to get through to this numbnuts. They're too busy shitting on people who do good deeds for their fellow fucktard.
But thanks, tripzip, all the same. :D
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 22, 2008, 09:15:58 AM
I'm feeling a tinge of negative energy. I'm not too sure what you meant by that. I'm not by any means saying that I go out everyday with a cape and change the world with my super-human problem solving skills. If you are going to go out and try to get what you want, and you have a large following, maybe posterboard and a sharpie aren't going to accomplish your goals. There are things I want to change, sure, and I have a plan for that. It just seems so damn difficult for a working action plan to happen and so easy to form a picket line. People seem to have more courage in a group. This is certainly true for me atleast. Its always nice to have people agreeing with you. When somebody stands alone, most of the time they aren't even considered as anything but crazy. Yet, history shows us the majority is often wrong.
Nice armchair you've got there. Looks comfortable.
Protesting is about raising awareness, and it can be very effective. For groups who have a lot of like-minded people but not a lot of money, it's a way of getting publicity and press coverage for something they could not otherwise afford to bring to public attention.
From that angle, protesting is extremely effective.
You're wasting your breaf, Nigel...Shoobydoobydoo has already made up his/her mind on this.
They KNOA ALLLLLLL!!!!oneone
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2008, 12:41:12 AM
Protesting is about raising awareness, and it can be very effective.
Can you name one protest since 1968 that any effect whatsoever?
Fathers4Justice had the effect of raising much lail, in the UK.
I don't think they ever got what they were protesting for though.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 23, 2008, 12:47:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2008, 12:41:12 AM
Protesting is about raising awareness, and it can be very effective.
Can you name one protest since 1968 that any effect whatsoever?
MINE! *egomaniac extraodinaire*
In hunting around, I found this quote:
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A2054206From my observations of the media over the past 30 years, the only protest that appears to have had any effect on what politicians have already decided, is that of the Poll Tax demonstrations.
(which I hadn't heard of)
so as it turns out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots
The Poll Tax was abandoned. So yes, the riot succeeded in it's goal.
But is a
riot the same thing as a
protest?
Anyway, there's one, and perhaps the only one, since 68. :p
Quote from: Payne on April 23, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
Fathers4Justice had the effect of raising much lail, in the UK.
I don't think they ever got what they were protesting for though.
Results are all that matter.
I know for a fact that the demonstration we staged a couple of years ago against the Governator (we trolled out little red wagons with kids and tons of letters from parents, right up the Capitol Building steps in Sacramento) worked. He didn't try this bullshit until THIS year, when the economy was starting to tank WORLDWIDE.
But, you know, shit like this doesn't make the 11 o'clock news, so no one's paying attention. Me, I've made it my JOB to pay the fuck attention to what goes down in this area--if I'm going to work so hard at it, I'm not going to be tolling for nothing.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 23, 2008, 12:47:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2008, 12:41:12 AM
Protesting is about raising awareness, and it can be very effective.
Can you name one protest since 1968 that any effect whatsoever?
3/15, SUCKA
This is abuse! I came here for an argument!
I'm going to stray off topic for a second. If I have an opinion that differs from yours, its only because I feel that way, not because I'm trying to offend you. So maybe a conversation is possible now? Not just mud-slinging like politicians?
Anywho, I agree that different methods yield results. The more active you are, the more effective it will be. I think public awareness is good, but it seems the reason the public is not aware of certain issues is because they don't care. Its probably really hard to present all the facts of an argument in certain situations, and most people don't want to read a pamphlet or flyer while they are out doing errands. What would be the best way to get a point accross and actually make people think about it?
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
This is abuse! I came here for an argument!
I'm going to stray off topic for a second. If I have an opinion that differs from yours, its only because I feel that way, not because I'm trying to offend you. So maybe a conversation is possible now? Not just mud-slinging like politicians?
Anywho, I agree that different methods yield results. The more active you are, the more effective it will be. I think public awareness is good, but it seems the reason the public is not aware of certain issues is because they don't care. Its probably really hard to present all the facts of an argument in certain situations, and most people don't want to read a pamphlet or flyer while they are out doing errands. What would be the best way to get a point accross and actually make people think about it?
Abuse? Dude...you need to lurk moar then.
Also: You're right, people don't want spam. They get enough of that in their mailboxes and on the internet. Thing is, you have to reach them somehow or fuck off, right? So, which is it? Make a bloody scream in the night to wake them up? Or stay silent in your armchair fapping to the latest skinnyass anorexic on America's Top Model?
Either way, making ONE squeak may cause someone to sit up to take notice, which is one more person that didn't give a flying fuck before and may now. That squeak, small though it may be, is worth more than a million fapping assholes who think they know the answer to everything but are too afraid of failure to even start.
You came here and attacked what I choose to do with my OFF time. I don't get PAID to lobby. I do this out of my own time for my kids and my kids' kids. Sure as shit I'm going to take offense, especially if you don't have anything but your own goddammed opinion to back it up. Bring in facts, bring in experiential data, bring in urban legend, I don't care. But your OP sucked ass. Sorry, but it's true.
Give something substantive to your query here, and then maybe you'll have this "argument" you were wanting (wtf? I've been "arguing" from the get-go--if this isn't argument enough for you, I'd hate to see what you think all-out debate is). Otherwise, why not come around with some questions rather than acting like you have all the answers without any of the scut work to account for.
1) The abuse/argument line is from Monty Python.
2) I did not call you out. I did not know what you do (I still don't). You chose to be offended.
3) I haven't seen any real facts in this entire thread, website, or internet. Good luck on that.
4) We've been going in circles far too long now. This is just something I do between smoke breaks.
5) I agree that making an effort is better than doing nothing, regardless of the amount of change. Anything worth having is worth working for.
6) I would never tell you that you are wrong. If what you do works for you, then it doesn't matter what me, or anybody, says bad about it. I understand I can be completely wrong, but what's the point in being right or wrong?
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on April 23, 2008, 12:54:28 AM
In hunting around, I found this quote:
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A2054206From my observations of the media over the past 30 years, the only protest that appears to have had any effect on what politicians have already decided, is that of the Poll Tax demonstrations.
(which I hadn't heard of)
so as it turns out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots
The Poll Tax was abandoned. So yes, the riot succeeded in it's goal.
But is a riot the same thing as a protest?
Anyway, there's one, and perhaps the only one, since 68. :p
Almost - the poll tax was abandoned and replaced with teh "community charge"
The community charge was, essentially, the poll tax but with the name spelled differently
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
This is abuse! I came here for an argument!
:lol:
- triplezero
(
did get the reference)
I must admit I am not old enough to have seen the original Flying Circus, but only know the joke from the DVD commercial.. :p
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 06:59:31 AM
1) The abuse/argument line is from Monty Python.
2) I did not call you out. I did not know what you do (I still don't). You chose to be offended.
3) I haven't seen any real facts in this entire thread, website, or internet. Good luck on that.
4) We've been going in circles far too long now. This is just something I do between smoke breaks.
5) I agree that making an effort is better than doing nothing, regardless of the amount of change. Anything worth having is worth working for.
6) I would never tell you that you are wrong. If what you do works for you, then it doesn't matter what me, or anybody, says bad about it. I understand I can be completely wrong, but what's the point in being right or wrong?
1) whatever
2) I guess you don't read tripzip's posts except when they congratulate you on recycling old jokes. well done. He explained what I do quite well.
3) Again, you don't read real well. My protesting's been documented as FACT on this site through links to camera footage. but again, whatever.
4) congrats...what the fuck this has to do with tea in China is beyond me, as you keep restating the same thing and then protesting (ha!) when I respond (albeit negatively, but you asked for it with your first thread being an attack on something that you know nothing about)
5) well shit, THAT took you long enough, didn't it...6 pages? you sure do take long smoke breaks
6) well jesus christ on a stick, man, why write the OP at all, then?
I can do this all day, btw.
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
I can do this all day, btw.
Jenne is honing and perfecting her hate. ON YUO!
Quote from: Payne on April 23, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
I can do this all day, btw.
Jenne is honing and perfecting her hate. ON YUO!
What can I say--dude sticks in my craw.
1) D/N/T Monty Python
2) Monty Python NEVER gets old
3) no it doesn't
4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k
5) well he won't argue with you during working hours unless you pay him
6) he didn't
7) no you can't
Also:
You cannot dig deep enough.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/BigDigger.jpg)
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
This is abuse!
No, it isn't.
When we start abusing you, you'll KNOW it.
Quote from: Payne on April 23, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
I can do this all day, btw.
Jenne is honing and perfecting her hate. ON YUO!
Some people pay GOOD MONEY for that sort of thing, you know.
He really should call her "Mistress Jenne", though, shouldn't he?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 24, 2008, 04:21:21 AM
Quote from: Payne on April 23, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 23, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
I can do this all day, btw.
Jenne is honing and perfecting her hate. ON YUO!
Some people pay GOOD MONEY for that sort of thing, you know.
He really should call her "Mistress Jenne", though, shouldn't he?
Thats what I'm told.
~~~Payne: Wouldn't know 8)
Oh you guyz... *blush
Quote from: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
This is abuse! I came here for an argument!
I'm going to stray off topic for a second. If I have an opinion that differs from yours, its only because I feel that way, not because I'm trying to offend you. So maybe a conversation is possible now? Not just mud-slinging like politicians?
Anywho, I agree that different methods yield results. The more active you are, the more effective it will be. I think public awareness is good, but it seems the reason the public is not aware of certain issues is because they don't care. Its probably really hard to present all the facts of an argument in certain situations, and most people don't want to read a pamphlet or flyer while they are out doing errands. What would be the best way to get a point accross and actually make people think about it?
So you got your argument. Now quit fucking whining.
ITT: Getting hit on the head lessons.
HWAAAAAH!!
Just one, with a well-aimed brick. If you're not throwing things and/or getting arrested, you're not doing it right. If you let them herd you behind the protester playpens, you're just a wuss. Commit or get off the pot.
Someone upthread asked if a riot was the same as a protest. What do you think?
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on April 21, 2008, 05:18:49 PM
So I went to a really liberal artsy kind of school, packed with far-left ideologies. They had this really moronic protest agains the iraq war in the social science building. Which is stupid, because it's not like the people in the SS building are causing the war or anything. Most of the teachers spoke out against it.
Some things never change. When I went to a scumbag corporation masquerading as a University in NJ, there was a protest against the U. holding Coca-cola stock. No, I'm not bullshitting, Google "Coca-cola" and "Apartheid". So the protesters get kicked off Dean Wormer's lawn (ok, that's bullshit his name was Blaustein), and are told they are permitted to protest on the grounds of the Student Center. The Student Center, where all the shuttle busses come and go from the other campuses. Where you had to step over the protesters and wound up late for your next class because of the bullshit protest that wasn't inconveniencing anyone but fellow students. I told the assholes to apply for transfer, request transcripts sent to other colleges, and threaten to drop out if they wanted anyone to listen, but get the fuck out of my way. They were having too much fun doing nothing to listen. All they needed to top it off was a prayer vigil. If I knew then what I know now, I would have been selling candles and dixie cups.
If you're getting arrested, you are most certainly doing it wrong. Note I make no mention of breaking the law here.
I also refuse to pick fights with people who are more heavily armed than me, when I cannot level the playing field before hand to assure victory.
I have an aversion to getting my skull cracked by riot cops, who seem most unconcerned whether the person they are hitting actually constitutes a threat or not.
Quote from: Cain on April 29, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
If you're getting arrested, you are most certainly doing it wrong. Note I make no mention of breaking the law here.
I also refuse to pick fights with people who are more heavily armed than me, when I cannot level the playing field before hand to assure victory.
I have an aversion to getting my skull cracked by riot cops, who seem most unconcerned whether the person they are hitting actually constitutes a threat or not.
TITCM
Quote from: breakerslion on April 29, 2008, 02:44:12 AM
Just one, with a well-aimed brick. If you're not throwing things and/or getting arrested, you're not doing it right. If you let them herd you behind the protester playpens, you're just a wuss. Commit or get off the pot.
So you've btdt? Cuz otherwise, you, too, sound like you don't know your ass from your elbow.
I had a very good look at the Heathrow protests over the summer. The violence, little of it that there was, was started by journalists from the rabble-rousing right wing press (the Telegraph, as it happened) to initiate a larger crackdown on the protestors. While it mostly failed, the riot police moved in and beat the shit out of people who were trying to get away from the violent element.
Can't be having that kind of cowardice, now can we?
This is a time of war! If protesters get to break and run with no repercussion, our good boys might be tempted to do the same. Running away from violence is no way to support the troops!
If you're there to get a message across, chances are you are not going to get that message across with bullshit violence for violence's sake, other than the fact that YUO TOO CAN BE BEATEN AND ARRESTED HAR HAR! So sure, if your main point is to indeed "throw a brick," then throw a fucking brick.
But don't front like those of us standing there with our signs and writing/phone calling and faxing are not getting it done, either. That's fucking bullshit, and it's a way to knife your neighbor and try to look cool about it. Fuck that shit. Get the fuck out of my breathing space if that's what you're about.
QuotePrudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
The above passage from the Declaration of Independence hits this nail on the head. Our society is not immune to large-scale protests that effect actual change (also known as a "revolution"), but it isn't going to happen so long as people are generally comfortable, or the injustices we suffer are not of such magnitude as to make
dying for your cause preferable to just putting up with it.
Also, you will find that humans are great at imagining themselves as being very high on the morality and intellectual ladder, but pretty terrible at actually holding that position. No revolution is fought on purely ideological grounds -- ideology is too easily ignored or altered to matter that much. This is why people will riot far faster when they do not have enough food, than when they know their leaders are guilty of genocide. People do not care until it hits their front yard. And the price we charge our government for our continued silence on such matters is so small that no developed nation should ever have to worry about revolution.
SUPPORT THE REVOLUTION:
VOTE FOR OPPRESSION
Quote from: breakerslion on April 29, 2008, 02:44:12 AM
Just one, with a well-aimed brick. If you're not throwing things and/or getting arrested, you're not doing it right. If you let them herd you behind the protester playpens, you're just a wuss. Commit or get off the pot.
You go right ahead and get yourself tossed in the can, and give The Man all the propaganda he needs. You will accomplish nothing except to be the next example of why protesters have no credibility, and - of course - to amuse me when I see you get gassed and clubbed into semi-consciousness.
I'll be sabotaging elections and doing truly horrible, undetectable shit to monkeywrench everything I get near.
Thanks for the camoflage, dumbass.
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -Thomas Jefferson
Every generation needs a new revolution. -Thomas Jefferson
I'm not entirely sure if these apply to the conversation 100%, but T-Jeff was the man!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2008, 12:06:28 AM
Quote from: breakerslion on April 29, 2008, 02:44:12 AM
Just one, with a well-aimed brick. If you're not throwing things and/or getting arrested, you're not doing it right. If you let them herd you behind the protester playpens, you're just a wuss. Commit or get off the pot.
You go right ahead and get yourself tossed in the can, and give The Man all the propaganda he needs. You will accomplish nothing except to be the next example of why protesters have no credibility, and - of course - to amuse me when I see you get gassed and clubbed into semi-consciousness.
I'll be sabotaging elections and doing truly horrible, undetectable shit to monkeywrench everything I get near.
Thanks for the camoflage, dumbass.
:lulz:
TGRR WOULD BE IN RIOT GEAR USING HIS TASER TO TOAST YUOR BALLZ!