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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Cain on April 30, 2008, 06:04:04 PM

Title: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Cain on April 30, 2008, 06:04:04 PM
Taken from Rush, Fascism and Newspeak, An Exegesis, by David Neiwert


Fascist rhetoric and memes check-list and signs



Umberto Eco with American examples


The cult of tradition.
[Who are the folks who beat their breasts (and ours) incessantly over the primacy of
'traditional Judaeo-Christian culture'?]

The rejection of modernism.
[Think 'feminazis.' Think attacks on the NEA. Think attacks on multiculturalism.]

Irrationalism.
[G.W. Bush's anti-intellectualism and illogical, skewed speech are positively celebrated
by the right.]

Action for action's sake.
[Exactly why are we making war on Iraq, anyway?]

Disagreement is treason.
["Liberals are anti-American."]

Fear of difference.
[Again, think of the attacks on multiculturalism, as well as the attacks on Muslims and
Islam generically.]

Appeal to a frustrated middle class.
[See the Red states — you know, the ones who voted for Bush. The ones where
Limbaugh is on the air incessantly.]

Obsession with a plot.
[limbaugh and conservatives have been obsessed with various "plots" by liberals for the
past decade — see, e.g., the Clinton impeachment, and current claims of a "fifth column"
among liberals.]

Humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.
[Think Blue states vs. Red states.]

Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.
[The very essence of the attacks led by talk-radio hosts against antiwar protesters.]

Life is eternal warfare.
[This perfectly describes the War on Terror.]

Contempt for the weak.
[Think both of conservatives' characterization of liberals as "weak spined," as well as the
verbal attacks on Muslims and immigrants from the likes of Limbaugh and Michael
Savage.]

Against 'rotten' parliamentary governments.
[Remember all those rants against 'big government'?]

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
[Perhaps the most noticeable trait in the current environment. The destruction of
meaning by creating "empty phrases" combining opposite ideas has, as we have seen,
become a prominent strategy deployed by the conservative movement.]


John McKay on Fascism

"Defining Fascism is a very slippery business. I spent most of a graduate seminar a decade ago studying and dissecting this question. There is no agreed upon and authoritative one sentence definition for Fascism. In fact, fighting over one is a still-healthy cottage industry that provides employment for plenty of historians and political scientists. My own take on it is to emphasize two points that lead to this slipperiness.

The first is a point you already made: Fascism is mostly reactive in nature. It is more defined by what it is against than by what it is. First and foremost, it is anti-liberal. This is not necessarily the same thing as being conservative. We too often define political positions as a scale between two polar opposites, when reality is broader and sloppier than that. So, while Fascism is a thing of the right, it is not just extremism beyond normal conservatism. Next, it is anti-pluralist, which usually means nationalist, racist, and/or unilateralist. Fascists don't like to share.

Second, it is not just one thing. There have been many forms of Fascism. The popular image of Fascism is simply Nazism. Some scholars debate whether Nazism is one variety of Fascism or a separate (though related) phenomenon. I lean toward the variety school. During its heyday in the thirties, there were scores of Fascist parties in over a dozen countries. These evolved from earlier political movements and some survive in successor movements. The use of pronouns like proto-, post-, and neo- helps a little in sorting them out, but only a little. One reason for its persistence is its mutability. Most political societies can produce a fascism."


Stanley Payne on Fascism

A. The Fascist Negations:

• Antiliberalism
• Anticommunism
• Anticonservatism (though with the understanding that fascist groups were willing to undertake temporary alliances with groups from any other sector, most commonly with the right)

B. Ideology and Goals:

• Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state based not merely on traditional principles or models
• Organization of some new kind of regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic
structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist
• The goal of empire or a radical change in the nation's relationship with other powers
• Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed, normally involving the attempt to realize a new form of modern, self-determined, secular culture

C. Style and Organization:

• Emphasis on esthetic structure of meetings, symbols, and political choreography, stressing romantic and mystical aspects
• Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia
• Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence
• Extreme stress on the masculine principle and male dominance, while espousing the organic view of society
• Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation
• Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective


Roger Griffin on Fascism

Fascism: modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.



Robert Paxton

Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: hooplala on April 30, 2008, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2008, 06:04:04 PMUr-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
[Perhaps the most noticeable trait in the current environment. The destruction of
meaning by creating "empty phrases" combining opposite ideas has, as we have seen,
become a prominent strategy deployed by the conservative movement.]

Very interesting. I couldn't think of any examples for this one, though - do you have any?
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Cain on April 30, 2008, 06:33:18 PM
"The Surge"?  Implies a temporary increase in troops in Iraq, yet there are always going to be troops in Iraq keeping order.  Or any statements by Bush etc about free societies.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: LMNO on April 30, 2008, 07:06:55 PM
QuoteContempt for the weak.
[Think both of conservatives' characterization of liberals as "weak spined," as well as the
verbal attacks on Muslims and immigrants from the likes of Limbaugh and Michael
Savage.]


Also:  "The poor simply don't work hard enough."  Anti-Affirmative Action, tax cuts for the rich, anti-welfare, etc.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Golden Applesauce on April 30, 2008, 11:59:03 PM
I wallpapered my dorm door with a variety of propaganda posters, and it's alarming how similar some of the Nazi ones are to modern day slogans/ideas.

We do not speak of peace, we fight for it!
The people of Germany have but one command: that what happened in November 1918 never be repeated.
Our country will never be defeated if you are united and loyal.

Also see their Anti-Bolshevism Propaganda Plan (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/bolshevist.htm).  It lays out pretty clearly how Germany was fighting a defensive war against Jewish Bolshevism.  As far as I can tell, the only difference between this and our war on Islamic Terrorism is that our Reichstag actually was burned down by who the government said it was, and the power difference between the US and Middle East is a lot bigger than Germany and Russia.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 01, 2008, 01:26:50 AM
Is there any evidence at all for the conspiracy theory centered around the Nazis having burned down the Reichstag?
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: hooplala on May 01, 2008, 03:34:35 AM
Quote from: Requiem on May 01, 2008, 01:26:50 AM
Is there any evidence at all for the conspiracy theory centered around the Nazis having burned down the Reichstag?

Yes.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Golden Applesauce on May 01, 2008, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 01, 2008, 03:34:35 AM
Quote from: Requiem on May 01, 2008, 01:26:50 AM
Is there any evidence at all for the conspiracy theory centered around the Nazis having burned down the Reichstag?

Yes.

No.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 01, 2008, 04:17:33 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on May 01, 2008, 03:48:32 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 01, 2008, 03:34:35 AM
Quote from: Requiem on May 01, 2008, 01:26:50 AM
Is there any evidence at all for the conspiracy theory centered around the Nazis having burned down the Reichstag?

Yes.

No.
[Citation Needed]
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Verbal Mike on May 01, 2008, 12:36:07 PM
If it's not true that's hilarious, I learned that little gem while studying history for Israel's official state exams... It's taught there as historical fact.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Cain on May 01, 2008, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 01, 2008, 12:36:07 PM
If it's not true that's hilarious, I learned that little gem while studying history for Israel's official state exams... It's taught there as historical fact.

Its possible that some of Nazi leadership knew of it.  However, there is no real proof.  Der Lubbe was a pyromaniac, but its unlikely he could have caused so much damage so quickly alone.  Goering joked he was behind it, and apparently there is a wealth of circumstansial evidence in the secret Gestapo papers (which only researchers have access to).  Its more likely a section of the Nazi elite knew of it and planned it without Hitler's knowledge, or took advantage of the situation to make it worse.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Verbal Mike on May 01, 2008, 06:01:50 PM
Hehe, iirc I was taught it was Hitler's plan.
But maybe I was taught an unknown party did it and the Nazis used the opportunity to blame the commies, my brain is a lil fuzzy on this memory right now.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Cain on May 01, 2008, 06:02:59 PM
Often the blame is laid on Goering, Himmler or elements of the SA.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 01, 2008, 10:14:30 PM
The Nazi's definately took advantage of it, but it always seemed to me that the idea they did it became prominent only because everyone wanted to villify them.  Part of it also seems like people simply don't want to consider that the Nazis could have taken power without having thrown a coup or arranged a conspiracy.  After all, if we didn't assume conpiracy, people might learn that panicking and giving control to the government after a disaster or attack would be a bad idea.

And checking on that circumstantial evidence nobody is allowed to see, it wasn't available to researchers until the 90s, well after the idea was mainstream.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Cain on May 01, 2008, 10:19:32 PM
Very true and good points as well.

There was always a level of doubt at the time, the Communists were up in arms about it obviously, and often the early research on Naziism was conducted by Marxists as well, so that could account for it.  But its hardly good history, I agree.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Dido on May 02, 2008, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 01, 2008, 12:36:07 PM
If it's not true that's hilarious, I learned that little gem while studying history for Israel's official state exams... It's taught there as historical fact.

In Germany too.
Ok, actually they told us in school that there is no final proof but that it was still true that the Nazis did it.
Title: Re: Modern day Fascism
Post by: Verbal Mike on May 02, 2008, 01:15:56 PM
:lulz:
No proof, still true. That's gold.