Today, ladies and gentlemen, I would like you to watch a little video. I know you get links to Youtube posted on here every day, and if you are like me you don't click on many of them (slow connection, relatively speaking). This one, however, is only two and a half minutes long, and is important to the rest of the post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA is where you can watch it.
Are you done now? Yes? Good. Pretty scary, of course, but nothing you haven't seen before, right? Of course not, we are all wordly people here, and we know the face of batshit insanity when we see it.
But lets put a little spin on this otherwise unremarkable piece of information. Obviously, this mother is indoctrinating her son into Dominionist political theory - that is to say the political theology of the religious right, which blends into such insanity as Christian reconstructionism, a belief system that would quite happily have every single person who posts here on this site stoned to death for Apostasy.
This child will then grow up, get fairly good grades despite his obvious lack of knowledge about the real world, and go to a University like Patrick Henry, where he will be further indoctrinated to become a Soldier of Christ. He'll likely get a degree in something like Political Science or Social Policy and his University will arrange for him to have an internship with a Member of Congress.
Quite likely, this child will excel in their role of intern, being used to having to work long hours with little payoff and total obedience to authority. Internship is also the quickest way towards getting onto a Congressman's staff.
Now, as I'm sure we know, Congressmen are not exceptionally smart or knowledgeable. Some are, but the majority are little more than glorified salesmen, whose product is themself. Instead, they will rely on their staff to present them with the data and facts on upcoming votes and subcommittee discussions on various topics. And who will be giving them this data?
That's right, its the little shithead who believes evolution and global warming are liberal lies and homos deserve to be stoned to death. Now remember, these Christian Universities are likely producing tens of thousands of these little shitheads every single year. Think happy thoughts, and remember to become acquainted with your local reverend.
I think i said before, but it was during the rebuilding if i remember currectly, we have to find members on here that live close to those universities... I think some of our rants here would be so radically different from anything they have been exposed to, being so raw and in many cases can be viewed unrational, that there is a slight possibility that we could start something... even just some small underground ideas... you know the type of shit that they will hide under the pillows when the professors or their parents come to visit.. cause I can guess some probably already have something like that....
but due to distances theres nothing I can do
and our religious university here isn't at all that crazy (Ive tought some students from there)
In the long run, I think hope that creationism will eventually be drowned out or marginalized as the antiquated beliefs of country bumpkins.
I hate metrocentric thought - the idea that big cities are really where culture is happening, and the further you go from cities the further you get from what's Really Going On. (anyone who's been to NYC understands me here) But, perhaps because most media is produced in cities, cities generally foreshadow trends in the masses.
I don't have any geographic data on creationism, but I know there's not a lot of creationist thought in NYC. NY and LA are both pretty, uh, irreligious? I mean, I think evolution side of the debate is winning (?) because the metropolitan centers of the country are casting their vote with science.
/unfounded metrocentric conjecture
Still though - ugh. We'll see. In ten years we just may have a more hotly contested battle about the origin of the species. It's a mark of the Strange Times though, that these factions will continue to coexist. Maybe one won't win out, but they'll figure out how to exist side by side. You'll get to choose a school that teachers your agenda. And, as is common in the Strange Times, the agenda will just keep getting weirder. And we'll have a really weird reality, where people who hold drastically different beliefs walk side by side.
anyway, I'm glad the Pastafarian fuckwits are fighting the good fight here.
good post, Cain
As far as I can see, Creationism is just one part of the larger battle against Christian Reconstructionism. While the Pastafarians may have done well there, its kind of like saying Rommel did well in Libya - he did, but overall, North Africa and the larger war was a clusterfuck of failure. While there have been a lot of defeats on the grounds of creationism, its only dealt with a manifestation of the overall problem - the large scale infiltration of the American political system by theocratic wingnuts.
I suspect cities tend more towards science because there are more varying inputs selling different ideas, and so an empirical base of knowledge is necessary for one's personal beliefs. If someone lives in Bumfuck Idaho for example, it would be a lot easier to limit their inputs and thus direct their teaching. That is in fact the entire rationale behind Christian Home Schooling - isolating the individual and controlling their inputs until Christianity is ingrained on their psyche.
I suspect the next battle will be actual seperation of Church and State itself. Both parties have leaders who don't seem to especially care for that divide, and with the Faith-based initiatives, I can see lots of money and influence to be won through this.
If this image was a sticker it could be put on the cover of books on creationism(and other things) in schools and libraries . It might make a good OMF. (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/264113001_f1ed3fb11e_m.jpg)
I deny that I was ever christian. They'll have to stone me to death for heresy instead.
Also, another scary part of the problem, those same politicians are responsible for recommending who goes to military academies (Air Force in partituclar requires a recommendation from a congressman, not sure about the others), which is leading to an increasingly heavy fundamentalist/dominionist representation in the officer ranks of our military.
I thought heresy was deviation from the norm within a religion, whereas apostasy could also be considered opposition to the religion in question, in addition to leaving it?
Either way, Alternet has had a good series of articles about harassment in the Air Force in particular of Jewish, Atheist and Muslim servicemen and women.
Fortunately, the Armed Forces are mostly constrained by the chain of command. Unfortunately, it seems the political people they are ultimately answerable too many be even more nuts than the extremists who have gotten into the military.
You have to admire the system, I must say. I mean, its pretty clever, to realize the problem with bought politicians is they often upset people and get voted out, so instead controlling the office around them is the better method. But the more you look into it, the more it seems to be that an entire parallel society has been created by the Dominionists. Parallel schooling, entertainment, reading, theme parks, music...its like a whole different, and somewhat scary society, that exists side-by-side with what I like to call the reality based community.
Global warming (in that the entire globe is warming just because of us snooty Americans driving our SUVs and sipping our Big Gulps) is a lie. Evidence: http://www.worldclimatereport.com/archive/previous_issues/vol4/v4n7/hot1.htm (http://www.worldclimatereport.com/archive/previous_issues/vol4/v4n7/hot1.htm) http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html)
I remember hearing on BBC from some brit scientist that the cause of the ice age was a 2 degree increase in temperature... so that .6 degrees is suddenly quite a bit.
Quote from: Cain on July 06, 2008, 09:55:55 PM
I thought heresy was deviation from the norm within a religion, whereas apostasy could also be considered opposition to the religion in question, in addition to leaving it?
I'm a Gnostic, if not practicing, which is close enough to christianity to be heresy and was prosecuted that way in the middle ages.
Quote from: WhiskeyAlphaDeltaEcho on July 06, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
I remember hearing on BBC from some brit scientist that the cause of the ice age was a 2 degree increase in temperature... so that .6 degrees is suddenly quite a bit.
True. The larger picture (taken from the web site) is that we are in the next cycle of warming (the previous one being in the Middle Ages). Between those periods, there was the "little ice age."
The problem with that theory is that warming periods in earths history, before now, have been predictable based on orbital patterns (we get more sun, and things heat up), right now however, we're getting *less* sun, we should be moving into ice age. (the news is not all bad, that would suck even worse than the warming does)
But hey, what does the majority of the scientific community who have studied climatology know, right? If we trust in the wingnut Christian Reconstructionists (and their financial backers who have been heavily touting the "its all natural global warming" via paid for 'research' institutes), we will all be saved!
8)
While I think global warming is a real issue I have other concerns. There are 'super' volcanoes one of which is under Yellowstone National Park. IF one of these super volcanoes were to erupt it would cause almost immediately an estimated 5 degree drop in temperatures causing another ice age.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071108-yellowstone.html
While they say no eruption is imminent 'they' historically have been less than accurate.
True.
But we need not worry our pretty little heads about such things, because it will only happen Allah Jehovah willing. And as long as we pray real hard and stone all the gays, nothing can go wrong.
I had an interesting talk with a Very Important Scientist about global warming/climate change.
He basically said that there's no point anymore in pointing fingers about "who or what" is to blame.
The evidence strongly points to it's existence, and our obvious inability to stop it.
So, we shouldn't be dicking around so much about if we can finally reach Kyoto Treaty levels of CO2 emissions. It's too late for that.
What we should be doing is starting to find solutions and fixes for what's going to happen when (not if)water levels rise 3 feet, arable land moves away from our current agararian cultures (cornbelt, et al), and powerful storms start hitting land with more frequency.
Shit's going down, people. Time to stop arguing over theory, and start acting on what's actually happening.
my new dream is to be a storm chaser/experiencer. like I said before, I love storms.
Isn't the fresh water from the poles supposed to stop the oceans current from flowing? (which will cause the ice age?) I don't get it. earth confuse me.
I remember once watching Fox News (not by choice, obviously), and one of their fucktard commentators had a climate scientist on for about 2-3 minutes. The problem was, the guy who was speaking was an ancient, reedy nerd of a man whose voice was irritating and had obviously never had to speak to anyone besides other climate scientists for probably the last 20 years. The result was that he used too much scientific jargon and spoke as if his audience had a basic grounding in scientific principles, so the commentator asked some insincere questions and ended it with a "Well, that makes no sense to me at all, but thanks for joining us anyway."
Fuck tv news.
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on July 07, 2008, 04:16:04 PM
While I think global warming is a real issue I have other concerns. There are 'super' volcanoes one of which is under Yellowstone National Park. IF one of these super volcanoes were to erupt it would cause almost immediately an estimated 5 degree drop in temperatures causing another ice age.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071108-yellowstone.html
While they say no eruption is imminent 'they' historically have been less than accurate.
Last I heard, I'm in the instant kill radius of that thing, which makes concerns about the after effects of that thing rather secondary.
600 miles
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/sneitzke/supervolcano-blast-area.jpg)
don't worry FEMA will save you all
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 08, 2008, 03:06:33 AM
don't worry FEMA will save you all
:lulz:
I will sit back in my lava filled home and breath the hot ash fully confidant they will come shortly.
Oh sweet merciful fuck. That is one motherfucking huge circle right there.
It looks fairly safe for me to go to edmonton...
:|
I just hope I'm awake when it goes off...
Al Gore has more political than civilization saving motivations when it comes to climate change. The league of consenting scientists are forgetting that "consensus" is a bad word for them.
They need evidence for their theories. If another one comes along that is more useful, then they will generally adopt it.
Quote from: Requiem on July 08, 2008, 01:31:27 AM
Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on July 07, 2008, 04:16:04 PM
While I think global warming is a real issue I have other concerns. There are 'super' volcanoes one of which is under Yellowstone National Park. IF one of these super volcanoes were to erupt it would cause almost immediately an estimated 5 degree drop in temperatures causing another ice age.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071108-yellowstone.html
While they say no eruption is imminent 'they' historically have been less than accurate.
Last I heard, I'm in the instant kill radius of that thing, which makes concerns about the after effects of that thing rather secondary.
I believe the ash blocks out the sun and most life on Earth freezes/starves to death.
Quote from: fnord mote eris on July 08, 2008, 03:01:23 AM
600 miles
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/sneitzke/supervolcano-blast-area.jpg)
HAH! MISSED ME, BITCH!
Quote from: fnord mote eris on July 08, 2008, 03:01:23 AM
600 miles
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/sneitzke/supervolcano-blast-area.jpg)
HAW HAW!
Y'ALL ARE FUCKED FOREVER!
~~~Payne: Where he's going, he doesn't
NEED the sun.
It strikes me as amusing that it was christianity which, even if it couldn't take all the credit, certainly played a huge part in overseeing the demise of the roman empire and now, as the american empire is crumbling, almost before it's even got started, we see the cult of jehovas bastard zombie, rearing it's retarded head again.
AFAIK america is the only place where this dumbass bullshit has any clout. The rest of the world are just kinda staring in awe and giggling to themselves. Except for the turbaniac nations, who are still ranting and raving about whatever dumbass bullshit it is they believe in.
God bless christianity and all who sail off the edge of the world in her :lulz:
Silly, did you see the documentary on British Christian Fundamentalists?
Admittedly, they are not as numerous as the American ones, but they still have a fair few MPs and Lords in their pockets over here. Lord Tebbit and Nadine Dorries come to mind.
You should watch it, its really quite interesting. The video is up on Youtube somewhere.
Can't say I have really much to add, other than less than 8 years ago that was me sitting at the table with the goofy doo. We used Bob Jones University science books, I studied the classics of Western literature to show how all their problems are generated through sin, and I spent my first two years of university at:
http://www.nsa.edu/
My plan was to go to Patrick Henry and study constitutional law for a Congress gig.
If it wasn't for Monty Python I wouldn't have had any idea there could be something else; discordia being the only other groups of well read bitterly sarcastic tards.
Now I simply cannot believe the foolishness, and it burns my fucking craw to see my little brothers use /me/ as a punching bag to practice their Christian rhetoric.
There is only one real quality we can use to get into their minds, only one.
They are all either dumb as shit, or fucking bored.
Think about it: how many hours can you play with jesus legos by yourself?
Just.....fuck.
-Sputnik
Oh wow, thats pretty incredible.
Sounds like you got a lucky escape there. nsa.edu wont load however, which is probably for the best.
New Saint Andrew's College: Moscow, Idaho
Something about, "Jesus didn't first say seek thou a technical education." [polite laughter] and "It's your duty to vote for the worst of the two evils to speed up the end times."
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 08, 2008, 10:26:36 AM
It strikes me as amusing that it was christianity which, even if it couldn't take all the credit, certainly played a huge part in overseeing the demise of the roman empire and now, as the american empire is crumbling, almost before it's even got started, we see the cult of jehovas bastard zombie, rearing it's retarded head again.
Nah, I think it's just that empires don't last as long as they used to, just like wars don't last as long as they used to, seeing as though it is easier to kill people and help the prols rise up.
In the future, everyone will have 15 mins of empire
[/warhol] :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
In the future, everyone will have 15 mins of empire
[/warhol] :lulz:
RAH! :lulz:
Quote from: Rumckle on July 09, 2008, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 08, 2008, 10:26:36 AM
It strikes me as amusing that it was christianity which, even if it couldn't take all the credit, certainly played a huge part in overseeing the demise of the roman empire and now, as the american empire is crumbling, almost before it's even got started, we see the cult of jehovas bastard zombie, rearing it's retarded head again.
Nah, I think it's just that empires don't last as long as they used to, just like wars don't last as long as they used to, seeing as though it is easier to kill people and help the prols rise up.
Why exactly
did Al Gore invent the internets? Hm... he must be up to something! (I'm sorry! I just don't trust a guy with a multi-million dollar slide show!!!)
:kingmeh: