swear words...
cussing..
profanity...
WHO CARES?
i don't know if this is how it is in the _/ real \_ world, but i'm sick of the taboo that everyone around me (besides most teenagers) has on words like { fuck, shit, asshole, son of a bitch, cocksucker, pussy, hell, etc }. When you say one, it's like the world explodes... who cares.. it's not armageddon.... it's just a word. When i mention this, most 'adults' retaliate with "well, the word stands for something bad"- that's not good enough for me. Words only have meaning that we assign to them, and, um, i ran out of things to say.
Verily so! or not!
The taboo is a great source of amusement when devout fundamentalist Christians flip out and start swearing... and then apologize to the rest of us in the room who really couldn't give a fuck.
Quote from: tsaftrabitralsswear words...
cussing..
profanity...
WHO CARES?
i don't know if this is how it is in the _/ real \_ world, but i'm sick of the taboo that everyone around me (besides most teenagers) has on words like { fuck, shit, asshole, son of a bitch, cocksucker, pussy, hell, etc }. When you say one, it's like the world explodes... who cares.. it's not armageddon.... it's just a word. When i mention this, most 'adults' retaliate with "well, the word stands for something bad"- that's not good enough for me. Words only have meaning that we assign to them, and, um, i ran out of things to say.
Verily so! or not!
Profanity is fine, but it seems a shame to dilute it via excessive use. It should be savored when used...used seldom, but in eruptions much like a volcano, when it IS used.
Lots of words are offensive to different people...
Like rationality to UFO freaks.
Or Possibility to scientists.
Like Faith to fundamentalists
or Question for that matter.
Accountability to Politicians
and Progress to Environmentalists.
All important concepts (like fucking, shitting, Jesus and all the others) we'd prefer not to think about because it countermands our straght-jacketed view of reality.
Quote from: Out of the WastelandProfanity is fine, but it seems a shame to dilute it via excessive use. It should be savored when used...used seldom, but in eruptions much like a volcano, when it IS used.
Amen! It is good to have some words that carry unusual force, that can shake Greyface with their mere utterance. They should be treasured. Sure, like all words, they're arbitrary but the ones we've ended up with aren't too bad - they roll off the tongue nicely.
Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person. Its built in psychological conditioning that causes this, because of the cavalier way people use words like "Shit" and "Cunt" and "Fuck" do not phase people the way they used to.
I say its time to overcome those built in automatic responses.
Communication is not about the words themselves but the intent and meaning behind them. (IE Whether or not somebody is using the words for emphasis or whether the person is actually accusing another of fucking their mother.)
Quote from: Zombie¬?Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person. Its built in psychological conditioning that causes this, because of the cavalier way people use words like "Shit" and "Cunt" and "Fuck" do not phase people the way they used to.
I say its time to overcome those built in automatic responses.
Communication is not about the words themselves but the intent and meaning behind them. (IE Whether or not somebody is using the words for emphasis or whether the person is actually accusing another of fucking their mother.)
i agree.
very good post, z^3.
Quote from: Zombie¬?Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person.
Yep. I do. I also get a little angry, having been called "spic" and "wetback" a time or two.
Try it on the receiving end, bro.
Quote from: Out of the WastelandQuote from: Zombie¬?Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person.
Yep. I do. I also get a little angry, having been called "spic" and "wetback" a time or two.
Try it on the receiving end, bro.
Actually, racial slurs piss me off royally.
S'one of the big reasons I left the ex......too many years of
listening to him sit there belittling people he didn't even know
on the basis of something as superficial as the color someone's skin
of the shape of their eyes.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: Out of the WastelandQuote from: Zombie¬?Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person.
Yep. I do. I also get a little angry, having been called "spic" and "wetback" a time or two.
Try it on the receiving end, bro.
Actually, racial slurs piss me off royally.
S'one of the big reasons I left the ex......too many years of
listening to him sit there belittling people he didn't even know
on the basis of something as superficial as the color someone's skin
of the shape of their eyes.
I like you.
Thank you. :P
I can understand the personal distaste for racial slurs, thats really just something that varies between social groups. Its pretty much a sure bet that whenever I hear them, or use them, its entirely for comedic value amongst people who get the joke. I'm not a big fan of getting shot, and I'm usually not a big fan of pissing people off over something which I deem as being incredibly petty. (A lot of humor is blatantly offensive. )
Then again, I also know tons of people who use the word "faggot" without discretion, but get pissed off at racial slurs as a general principle... so really that argument is more directed towards that mindset.
Offending people because they are too uptight is a different thing than insulting them because you think they're a lesser subspecies of human.
Quote from: DJ ZelianOffending people because they are too uptight is a different thing than insulting them because you think they're a lesser subspecies of human.
Yup, that it is.
Fuck Swear Words!
Quote from: Moon¬?I can understand the personal distaste for racial slurs, thats really just something that varies between social groups. Its pretty much a sure bet that whenever I hear them, or use them, its entirely for comedic value amongst people who get the joke. I'm not a big fan of getting shot, and I'm usually not a big fan of pissing people off over something which I deem as being incredibly petty. (A lot of humor is blatantly offensive. )
Then again, I also know tons of people who use the word "faggot" without discretion, but get pissed off at racial slurs as a general principle... so really that argument is more directed towards that mindset.
Of course, the really bothersome thing about "faggot" is the definition of it: a bunch of small sticks one uses to start a fire. This is why a good friend of mine won't touch the damn thing.
I Try not to use swear words.
those that use them to excess sound ignorant to me.
almost as if they don't have a better word for the concept they are trying to get across.
not that i care.
It's just someone trying to express themselves...
Swear words should be recognized as part of the multitude of options the english language provides us with. Just like aything else, their excessive or inadequate use is just silly. Every word has a time and a place and a good speaker and/or writer knows when to use them depending on the situation and the desired effect. How often a writer/speaker feels this opprotune moment, is a matter of personal style that you may either like or dislike. After all, there is a diffrence between a talentless hack who does something for effect and a very good writer/speaker whose views and behavior are repulsive.
Quote from: EfrimSwear words should be recognized as part of the multitude of options the english language provides us with. Just like aything else, their excessive or inadequate use is just silly. Every word has a time and a place and a good speaker and/or writer knows when to use them depending on the situation and the desired effect. How often a writer/speaker feels this opprotune moment, is a matter of personal style that you may either like or dislike. After all, there is a diffrence between a talentless hack who does something for effect and a very good writer/speaker whose views and behavior are repulsive.
Fuckin' ay
okay, i got a bit this from RAW.
i want to revise what i said. my main problem is the way you can say "he slept with a prostitute" on tv but you can't say "he fucked a whore". what's the difference? in my eyes, the meaning is EXACTLY the same. it's things like that. for example, my teachers don't care if you say 'that stinks" but if you say 'that sucks' then you may get 'written up'. what's up with that? same meaning!!!
Words have power and some words have more power than others. They just want to keep you under control, so they don't want you using words with too much emotional power. It tends to get messy when you are in control of yourself.
On the other hand, maybe their moms used too much soap to wash out their mouths.
I'm not sure about all this. Rules is rules. There aren't any in the forest.
Quote from: gnimbleyWords have power and some words have more power than others. They just want to keep you under control, so they don't want you using words with too much emotional power. It tends to get messy when you are in control of yourself.
On the other hand, maybe their moms used too much soap to wash out their mouths.
I'm not sure about all this. Rules is rules. There aren't any in the forest.
Fuckin' oath those bastards want us to bite our bloody tongues of just so we won't come out with all the shit that's really on our fuckin' minds.
Personally I have no problem with foul language, and I usually find myself having to curb my tongue around other people, including my family. I can understand the taboo and young kids, especially when so many people are terminally afraid of certain words, and so long as you're not using them any more than you would any other word I don't see the damn problem.
Up with blasphemy!!!
Quote from: Slartibartfasti want to revise what i said. my main problem is the way you can say "he slept with a prostitute" on tv but you can't say "he fucked a whore". what's the difference? in my eyes, the meaning is EXACTLY the same.
In your eyes it may be the same but that's only half the story.
Language is a form (
the form?) of communication and isn't just about what you throw out there; it is equally about how the message ia able to be received. If you want to communicate with someone, you need to construct your message such that it passes through your filters and their filters and still turns out the way you intended.
"Yo motherfucker! Vend the fucking salt Bitch!" and "please pass the salt" may mean the same thing on the way out but are likely to get quite different reactions (although which one actually gets you the salt will depend on your audience).
Quote from: Trollax
Like rationality to UFO freaks.
I resent that remark...
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: Slartibartfasti want to revise what i said. my main problem is the way you can say "he slept with a prostitute" on tv but you can't say "he fucked a whore". what's the difference? in my eyes, the meaning is EXACTLY the same.
In your eyes it may be the same but that's only half the story.
Language is a form (the form?) of communication and isn't just about what you throw out there; it is equally about how the message ia able to be received. If you want to communicate with someone, you need to construct your message such that it passes through your filters and their filters and still turns out the way you intended.
"Yo motherfucker! Vend the fucking salt Bitch!" and "please pass the salt" may mean the same thing on the way out but are likely to get quite different reactions (although which one actually gets you the salt will depend on your audience).
two filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Is this your excuse to break peoples ribs and leave them laying in a gutter slowly dying?
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Is this your excuse to break peoples ribs and leave them laying in a gutter slowly dying?
What does your filter think I am, a troll? gnomes don't do that. We tie their shoelaces together, hit them with a mud pie and run!
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Is this your excuse to break peoples ribs and leave them laying in a gutter slowly dying?
What does your filter think I am, a troll? gnomes don't do that. We tie their shoelaces together, hit them with a mud pie and run!
so what you are saying is that you believe that i have a filter and am not just a figmit of your Imagination( otherwise it would be your filter and not mine)
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Is this your excuse to break peoples ribs and leave them laying in a gutter slowly dying?
What does your filter think I am, a troll? gnomes don't do that. We tie their shoelaces together, hit them with a mud pie and run!
so what you are saying is that you believe that i have a filter and am not just a figmit of your Imagination( otherwise it would be your filter and not mine)
My filter thinks your filter is good for nothing but straining coffee grounds.
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferistwo filters people... two yours and theirs... I like this explination.
Ah, but do you really exist, or are you just my filter's interpretation of some random chemical luminescence?
Is this your excuse to break peoples ribs and leave them laying in a gutter slowly dying?
What does your filter think I am, a troll? gnomes don't do that. We tie their shoelaces together, hit them with a mud pie and run!
so what you are saying is that you believe that i have a filter and am not just a figmit of your Imagination( otherwise it would be your filter and not mine)
My filter thinks your filter is good for nothing but straining coffee grounds.
No fine thing that.
doesnt the president use swear words when he takes the oath for office?
no no no ... he swears an oath, but that uses vow type words.
Quote from: Den Sorte Dragendoesnt the president use swear words when he takes the oath for office?
Yeah.
Doesn't he say, "and I swear to screw each and every one of them fuckers what didn't vote for me."
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisno no no ... he swears an oath, but that uses vow type words.
?swearing in front of the whole nation?
Quote from: Den Sorte DragenQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisno no no ... he swears an oath, but that uses vow type words.
?swearing in front of the whole nation?
I'm sure not... I for one don't watch.
Fikigxu! Mi volas ke vi feku cxenon kaj pisu sangon, ho cxiesulino vi!
See, it sounds as mindless in Esperanto as it does in English... but I have no fucking problem with swearing. Like most people here, I'm just worried that it'll get overused to the point where it's just not effective anymore, and then we'll have lost one of the more interesting aspects of our tongue. Long live the fuckin cuss word! (But not too much)
I don't have a problem with swearing/curse words. However, words like niggar and faggot do bother me, but then again, I don't consider them curse words. Those kind of words have their own category: slurs. I do have one slight exception for the use of the word "fag", and even then I hardly use it: if it is not being used to slur a homosexual, but instead is being used to describe someone who is preppy/stuckup/a prick, I'm ok with it. I have gay and bi friends, (and I have been pondering my own prefs) so I am quite defensive of actual homo/bisexuals.
I agree w/ many of the other posts here: the only time true swearing bothers me is when it is used in excess--it's just annoying. I know I swear a lot, but not every other word like some people. Then again, ANY word that is used that often is pretty damn annoying.
Other than that, what the hell is wrong with swearing? Freedom of speech, people! For crying out loud, let me express myself 8) !
Now here's a question: How do u guys feel about swearing around children? How do u feel about kids who swear?
I know that if I ever have kids, I'm not gonna give a shit if they swear or not, so long as they know to not use it inappropriately (like going around calling people assholes :lol: or using it to talk back)--nor do I care about swearing around kids. I don't see what the big deal is, except--unfortunately--schools do not approve of swearing, so I'm gonna have to teach them not to swear. -,-
I only get annoyed at watered-down "swear" words like "Darn you to heck!" I hear that a lot out here in Utah. If you're going to swear, swear right, damn it!
*shudder*
In the words of Foamy, fuck that shit!
Quote from: Wenchmaster KI only get annoyed at watered-down "swear" words like "Darn you to heck!"
:lol: Ha! I hear that!
Quote from: MedeoLike most people here, I'm just worried that it'll get overused to the point where it's just not effective anymore, and then we'll have lost one of the more interesting aspects of our tongue. Long live the fuckin cuss word! (But not too much)
I think a lot of swear words have already lost their shock value. I remember this one time the cops were called to my house because of a fist fight between my brother and someone who lived on another street, and my brother was cussing out the cops and my mother never said anything to him to stop or anything. It's sad the way people have no shame in cussing out those in authority. I know that where I work, using profanity is cause for a write up (it's a Christian nursing home), but no one blinks an eye if someone cusses out the supervisor (except the kid who screamed fuck you at the department head after being suspended for insubordination).
Quote from: MedeoFikigxu! Mi volas ke vi feku cxenon kaj pisu sangon, ho cxiesulino vi!
See, it sounds as mindless in Esperanto as it does in English... but I have no fucking problem with swearing. Like most people here, I'm just worried that it'll get overused to the point where it's just not effective anymore, and then we'll have lost one of the more interesting aspects of our tongue. Long live the fuckin cuss word! (But not too much)
I'm more afraid that a dragon will burst out of the ground...
Quote from: Wenchmaster KI only get annoyed at watered-down "swear" words like "Darn you to heck!" I hear that a lot out here in Utah. If you're going to swear, swear right, damn it!
Amen!
Also right up there are people who water down written swear words by blanking part of them out (F*ck the A***-raping, mother-f***ing w*nkers &c. &c.) If you don't want to swear, fine, don't. If you
are gonna let loose then just fucking do it.
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: Wenchmaster KI only get annoyed at watered-down "swear" words like "Darn you to heck!" I hear that a lot out here in Utah. If you're going to swear, swear right, damn it!
Amen!
Also right up there are people who water down written swear words by blanking part of them out (F*ck the A***-raping, mother-f***ing w*nkers &c. &c.) If you don't want to swear, fine, don't. If you are gonna let loose then just fucking do it.
Of course, when I do that I tend to get banned...oh well.
Quote from: Hotsuma
I'm more afraid that a dragon will burst out of the ground...
Me? :shock: bursting out? of the ground? (does this mean I was burried alive?)
y'all just a bunch of muppet heads
Quote from: Wenchmaster K
In the words of Foamy, fuck that shit!
::applaudes::
apple laudes
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisy'all just a bunch of muppet heads
we are discordians remember , you´re really pushing the cleansing-enveloppe
Quote from: Den Sorte DragenQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisy'all just a bunch of muppet heads
we are discordians remember , you´re really pushing the cleansing-enveloppe
wow cause I called you all muppet heads... never would of gotten that reaction by calling you assholes...
don't see swear words as taboo, I just realize that actual creative use of the language can get a better reaction.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Den Sorte DragenQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisy'all just a bunch of muppet heads
we are discordians remember , you´re really pushing the cleansing-enveloppe
wow cause I called you all muppet heads... never would of gotten that reaction by calling you assholes...
don't see swear words as taboo, I just realize that actual creative use of the language can get a better reaction.
why don´t you go cleanse yourself...
or
cleanse you!
SLACK OFF!!!
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisSLACK OFF!!!
????
cleanshole
Fecal freak!!!
uncleansed wrench!
now you sound like the pharisees.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisnow you sound like the pharisees.
stone him! Thou shalt be cleansed by stones!
"allright, who threw that stone?"
"She, she....HE, HE"
"are there any women here?"
My Levi's stone washed jeans just took on some great meaning for me...
I'll let you know If thats a good or bad thing at a future time of my determination.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisMy Levi's stone washed jeans just took on some great meaning for me...
I'll let you know If thats a good or bad thing at a future time of my determination.
being stoned has a different meaning in Muslim-fundamentalist countries than in the other parts of the world
It means haveing rocks thrown at me here ... what does it mean there?!?!?
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisIt means haveing rocks thrown at me here ... what does it mean there?!?!?
being under the influence of drugs :roll:
Quote from: maddcat0
Now here's a question: How do u guys feel about swearing around children? How do u feel about kids who swear?
I say, let the tykes cuss. When have restrictions on natural urges
ever done more good than harm? It's never worked for religion, it's never worked for sexuality, it doesn't work for drug consumption (Prohibition in the 20s and this retarded "War on Drugs" have shown that), and it won't work for foul language, either. If, on the other hand, we let children say whatever they want from day one (as long as it's not inherently offensive, e.g. racial slurs) then it won't be such a "problem" later on- instead of something edgy and mysified that only the grown-ups get to use, it becomes something completely natural, and certainly nothing to get all in a huff about.
Quote from: Den Sorte DragenQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisIt means haveing rocks thrown at me here ... what does it mean there?!?!?
being under the influence of drugs :roll:
really?!?!?
since Dylan wrote a song about that I guess I was wrong.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Den Sorte DragenQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisIt means haveing rocks thrown at me here ... what does it mean there?!?!?
being under the influence of drugs :roll:
really?!?!?
since Dylan wrote a song about that I guess I was wrong.
i hope you get stoned
neither way... was glassed once or twice though.
Yes, all of our "swear" words will more than likely lose their impact as time goes on. But do not fear, for I'm sure we'll have new swear words by then to replace them. :) Did you know that the word pants used to be a swear word? The "proper" term was waist-overalls. :lol: heh, now pants is about the only word we use--I'd love to get someone from those olden days and take them clothes shopping in a modern department store >:D ....
Quote from: maddcat0Yes, all of our "swear" words will more than likely lose their impact as time goes on. But do not fear, for I'm sure we'll have new swear words by then to replace them. :) Did you know that the word pants used to be a swear word? The "proper" term was waist-overalls. :lol: heh, now pants is about the only word we use--I'd love to get someone from those olden days and take them clothes shopping in a modern department store >:D ....
we should start using terms like "go and satisfy yourself sexualy!" or "forcefully insert this into your anus"
Quote from: Den Sorte Dragen"forcefully insert this into your anus"
have you been "playing again?!?!?
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Den Sorte Dragen"forcefully insert this into your anus"
have you been "playing again?!?!?
i never play those things alone (its much more comforting if you have someone to go with you to the doctor when things got stuck)
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: Out of the WastelandQuote from: Zombie¬?Word taboo is hilarious.
Even people who dislike word taboo sometimes shudder at the word "Nigger", and many others depending on the person.
Yep. I do. I also get a little angry, having been called "spic" and "wetback" a time or two.
Try it on the receiving end, bro.
Actually, racial slurs piss me off royally.
S'one of the big reasons I left the ex......too many years of
listening to him sit there belittling people he didn't even know
on the basis of something as superficial as the color someone's skin
of the shape of their eyes.
but it's okay when you do it in jest, when the people around you realize
that your use of such words is in mock of people who are
actuallyracist morons. kinda like when we abase women, especially blondes.
it's obvious we do it in jest, so it's alright that i'm calling you a meshuggena kike...or a cripple...or whatever...
on a side note, related to slurs...i don't think they're all that bad...i mean,
if i were to loose the use of, say, one or both of my legs, for example,
i think i'd use it in jokes all the time....
"i'm gonna cripple this sandwich, yo!" or i'm a make you *MY* gimp,. boy!"
shit like that
I don't wanna burst your bubble St*Bastard.
But it's never okay with me when men abase women.
Even if it's "all in fun".
Richard Pryor used to use the word "nigger" in his act all the time. Then one day he realized that he was as guilty of perpetuating the sterotype of black people as inferior creatures as the white racist, so he stopped. To quote from his official biography (http://www.richardpryor.com/history.cfm): "His visit to Kenya in 1979 was life-changing and resulted in a condemnation of the word nigger. His abandonment of the word in his stage performances attracted death threats, hate mail and attacks on his home from some deranged former fans. But he stuck to his beliefs, never losing any of his funny." It is too bad that he suffers from multiple sclerosis and isn't performing anymore.
Richard would tell you that words hurt and you should think before you use them. They are loaded weapons. Not that I would tell you to be politically correct; I'll leave that for those who are our betters. But sometimes words are "taboo" for good reason and sometimes not.
Showing people respect is never taboo.
Quote from: gnimbleyShowing people respect is never taboo.
You get a Woo! Yay! from me on that one.
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: gnimbleyShowing people respect is never taboo.
You get a Woo! Yay! from me on that one.
Damn straight.
That's just how I feel about it.
If it hurts someone or feels demeaning to somebody then it's not funny.
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODD
Or Possibility to scientists.
I resent that remark.
Quote from: Misssing AppendixQuote from: St. Trollax, ODD
Or Possibility to scientists.
I resent that remark.
So do I.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThat's just how I feel about it.
If it hurts someone or feels demeaning to somebody then it's not funny.
Insert the words "that I respect" and I would agree with you. This makes things a bit more subjective, but it would probably seem a lot less shallow if I bothered to point out that I automatically have a moderate amount of respect for strangers, until they act in a fashion that causes them to lose my respect.
Therefore, I will hurt someones feelings if I think they deserve it (and I'm extremely objective here, opting not to hurt someones feellings even if I can... unless they treat other people poorly, or through ignorance cause people immediate harm.
What a bunch of poppycock!
If I was a fruit I'd be a kumquat.