First, I'll edit it for layout, and add verse numbers.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Actually, I think I'm going to be honest and tell you how this trip started.
I was sitting in a train, tripping on a combination of LSA, weed, kanna, kratom, a rose petal and a good amount of salvia. On my way to a lecture about philosophical anthropology, I wrote the entire diabolical scheme down...
Virtues
1. It is time to restore them.
2. Virtues are that which brings men to glory, fame and wealth, if that is what the virtuous one desires.
3. Do not make the mistake of assuming virtues are absolute. They are only absolute in the sense that they represent a higher Truth, or Good, or God, if you will.
4. But to the common creature, these virtues may well seem strange or even immoral. The virtuous one shouldn't fret if his assumed virtues aren't commonly accepted, it is a great tool to determine who is chaff and who isn't.
5. You can only truly follow virtues if they are an honest reflection of your being.
6. If you made it this far and still understand what I'm talking about, have a virtue.
7. If a man's conviction in his virtues is firm, it is an easy task to lead a virtuous life.
8. O men of virtue, I salute you, but don't forget the game we're playing, and don't forget the gift you're
giving, to the hapless and unwilling masses...
9. Excercise care when assigning virtues, for you are manipulating the very fabric of social reality. When you have selected your virtues, and held them up to the light long enough for them to glow on their own, it's time to turn on, tune in, drop out?
10. You'll find you'll see virtue in all those you choose worthy. Which means you should choose wisely...
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undifined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
1. Why, and where did they go?
2. What do they bring if one does not desire that?
3. Do they always? Why are they not absolute, except when representing those? Can they represent something else?
4. Why should someone be chaff if the virtue is admittedly not an absolute?
5. Why?
6. No comment.
7. Convictions cause convicts. Again, why should someone have a conviction in something that is not absolute?
8. No comment.
9. How do virtues change the fabric of social reality, and why are you referencing Leary?
10. Your own virtues, or some other kind?
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Actually, I think I'm going to be honest and tell you how this trip started.
I was sitting in a train, tripping on a combination of LSA, weed, kanna, kratom, a rose petal and a good amount of salvia. On my way to a lecture about philosophical anthropology, I wrote the entire diabolical scheme down...
Virtues
1. It is time to restore them.
2. Virtues are that which brings men to glory, fame and wealth, if that is what the virtuous one desires.
3. Do not make the mistake of assuming virtues are absolute. They are only absolute in the sense that they represent a higher Truth, or Good, or God, if you will.
4. But to the common creature, these virtues may well seem strange or even immoral. The virtuous one shouldn't fret if his assumed virtues aren't commonly accepted, it is a great tool to determine who is chaff and who isn't.
5. You can only truly follow virtues if they are an honest reflection of your being.
6. If you made it this far and still understand what I'm talking about, have a virtue.
7. If a man's conviction in his virtues is firm, it is an easy task to lead a virtuous life.
8. O men of virtue, I salute you, but don't forget the game we're playing, and don't forget the gift you're
giving, to the hapless and unwilling masses...
9. Excercise care when assigning virtues, for you are manipulating the very fabric of social reality. When you have selected your virtues, and held them up to the light long enough for them to glow on their own, it's time to turn on, tune in, drop out?
10. You'll find you'll see virtue in all those you choose worthy. Which means you should choose wisely...
wut
Quote from: GA on September 09, 2008, 03:30:32 PM
wut
:lulz: Thats what I said when he crapped that out in my thread. It obviously means you, like me, aren't ready to turn on.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
First, I'll edit it for layout, and add verse numbers.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Actually, I think I'm going to be honest and tell you how this trip started.
I was sitting in a train, tripping on a combination of LSA, weed, kanna, kratom, a rose petal and a good amount of salvia. On my way to a lecture about philosophical anthropology, I wrote the entire diabolical scheme down...
Virtues
1. It is time to restore them.
2. Virtues are that which brings men to glory, fame and wealth, if that is what the virtuous one desires.
3. Do not make the mistake of assuming virtues are absolute. They are only absolute in the sense that they represent a higher Truth, or Good, or God, if you will.
4. But to the common creature, these virtues may well seem strange or even immoral. The virtuous one shouldn't fret if his assumed virtues aren't commonly accepted, it is a great tool to determine who is chaff and who isn't.
5. You can only truly follow virtues if they are an honest reflection of your being.
6. If you made it this far and still understand what I'm talking about, have a virtue.
7. If a man's conviction in his virtues is firm, it is an easy task to lead a virtuous life.
8. O men of virtue, I salute you, but don't forget the game we're playing, and don't forget the gift you're
giving, to the hapless and unwilling masses...
9. Excercise care when assigning virtues, for you are manipulating the very fabric of social reality. When you have selected your virtues, and held them up to the light long enough for them to glow on their own, it's time to turn on, tune in, drop out?
10. You'll find you'll see virtue in all those you choose worthy. Which means you should choose wisely...
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undifined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
Correct! That's the game we're playing. Don't forget it.
Quote1. Why, and where did they go?
Wherever the place was ready for change, it came like inspiration. The cause was just because it turned out to be the right one.
Quote2. What do they bring if one does not desire that?
Then they bring whatever else it is one does desire. They are just an embarking point. What is it that you would desire?
Quote3. Do they always? Why are they not absolute, except when representing those? Can they represent something else?
If they always represent a higher Truth... They are absolute. For where would you place always other than in time?
If they do not always represent a higher truth, they are ever changing. For if the truth is not higher, then where does it migrate to when it departs?
If they would be absolute without representing truth, then they would be absolute representing deception. Congratulations, if you made it all the way here, you understand what Parmenides meant with the Aletheia and the Doxa.
The can represent something else, yes. They can represent, for example, me boning your girlfriend. (haha, I made a joke, see what I did there right now?)
Quote4. Why should someone be chaff if the virtue is admittedly not an absolute?
The virtue is the virtue of the moment only. It is not an absolute, but it is only flexible in time. I hope you're ready to challenge that.
But mostly, he sees the virtue in others at the same moment he is a reflection of that virtue, thereby meaning the two virtuous ones should be talking to each other.
Quote5. Why?
Because I need a way to determine what truth is in this crazy, crazy world.
Quote6. No comment.
If you want, you may have another virtue.
Quote7. Convictions cause convicts. Again, why should someone have a conviction in something that is not absolute?
In times of flux, his conviction is absolute. In times of unity, his conviction is no thing.
Quote8. No comment.
9. How do virtues change the fabric of social reality, and why are you referencing Leary?
I'll answer your last question first. I'm referencing Leary because this started with my trip, and Leary was the one who turned me on - though I am now obviously free. This is basically a model that will last only as long as I believe it will. But then again, this holds for Quantum Mechanics as well, and it hinges on the clever machinations of my arch-nemesis, Stephen Hawking.
To answer your first question, virtues change social reality because cabbages will strive for virtues. That makes the one dispensing virtues akin to God.
But don't worry, this is just a temporary hijack to set things on the right path. What can Discordianists desire more than to claim chaos?
Do you understand how far I want to take this?
Quote10. Your own virtues, or some other kind?
Both your own and those of another kind. Being fed in turn by another class of virtues your own and otherwise. And this may go on for as long as the virtuous one desires. When he stops, he transfers his virtuous being somewhere else to continue the cosmic work of death and rebirth (if you ask me through the process of memetic reincarnation)
He who unravels the final secret is the one who can take over from me, and do whatever they want.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undifined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
Correct! That's the game we're playing. Don't forget it.
I don't feel like playing that game, so I stopped reading right there.
I am going to print this and stop on my way home and ask one of the crackheads to read it and explain it. Because that is the only way I can see it making sense.....
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undefined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
Correct! That's the game we're playing. Don't forget it.
I don't feel like playing that game, so I stopped reading right there.
It's perhaps the trickiest game of all. I don't need to drag any of you guys into it. I just figured this would be a good place to find "open minds"
Quote from: Khara on September 09, 2008, 05:22:05 PM
I am going to print this and stop on my way home and ask one of the crackheads to read it and explain it. Because that is the only way I can see it making sense.....
Make sure to find one who doesn't look too shabby. I wouldn't want to be explaining myself in pauper's attire.
i think you are trying too hard
Quote from: Rev. Voodoo on September 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
i think you are trying too hard
We'll see about that when we get there...
..indeed, where?
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. Voodoo on September 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
i think you are trying too hard
We'll see about that when we get there...
..indeed, where?
(http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v276/140/97/733959887/n733959887_642357_6763.jpg)
Quote from: GA on September 09, 2008, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. Voodoo on September 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
i think you are trying too hard
We'll see about that when we get there...
..indeed, where?
(http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v276/140/97/733959887/n733959887_642357_6763.jpg)
Your forced meme isn't working ;_;
What am I trying to do then, if you can see that I am trying too hard?
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
No, this is the point that I ask, "So, if you're not stoned, is English your primary language?"
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undifined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
Correct! That's the game we're playing. Don't forget it.
I don't feel like playing that game, so I stopped reading right there.
This.
The majority of this forum does NOT play the drug-addled, self-recursive, self-celebratory masturbation thing. When it does happen, it's usually in Apple Talk or IRC.
ENOUGH WITH THE TOOLBOXING!
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
No, this is the point that I ask, "So, if you're not stoned, is English your primary language?"
To answer honestly, I'm Czech. But I'm infiltrating the Netherlands for queen and country. Am I playing with the big boys yet?
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
You've written a drug-addled, self-recursive rant about an undifined, mutable thing you are Noun-ing "virtue".
Correct! That's the game we're playing. Don't forget it.
I don't feel like playing that game, so I stopped reading right there.
This.
The majority of this forum does NOT play the drug-addled, self-recursive, self-celebratory masturbation thing. When it does happen, it's usually in Apple Talk or IRC.
ENOUGH WITH THE TOOLBOXING!
You're just jealous because I have a toolbox and you are a tool.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
No, this is the point that I ask, "So, if you're not stoned, is English your primary language?"
He's Dutch, or at least resides in Holland.
calling people names is a good way to get HIMEOBS'ed
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
No, this is the point that I ask, "So, if you're not stoned, is English your primary language?"
To answer honestly, I'm Czech. But I'm infiltrating the Netherlands for queen and country. Am I playing with the big boys yet?
There are no big boys.
But at least I understand that you're trying to get your thoughts transmitted through another filtering system.
That still doesn't make your thoughts terribly interesting to me, but at least I have a slightly better understanding of your posting style.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Do you think there will come a time when you won't post here while stoned?
It's been a couple of hours since my last joint. Technically I should be sober.
So is this the point where you tell me "THEY WERE PLACEBO'S ALL ALONG, LOL", and my trip ends?
No, this is the point that I ask, "So, if you're not stoned, is English your primary language?"
To answer honestly, I'm Czech. But I'm infiltrating the Netherlands for queen and country. Am I playing with the big boys yet?
There are no big boys.
But at least I understand that you're trying to get your thoughts transmitted through another filtering system.
That still doesn't make your thoughts terribly interesting to me, but at least I have a slightly better understanding of your posting style.
Discordians really make the best filters. I don't know any other group more adept at memetics. I'm switching from Leary to you guys.
Maybe you should just make your own, instead of borrowing from other people.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
You're just jealous because I have a toolbox and you are a tool.
:kingmeh:
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:09:33 PM
Maybe you should just make your own, instead of borrowing from other people.
I learn more, I give more back.
Don't worry, esé.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
You're just jealous because I have a toolbox and you are a tool.
:kingmeh:
why meh? :argh!:
(Don't tell me there isn't an alternative)
Uuunnnnggggg. :roll:
Engage in actual conversation please, or else masturbate by yourself instead of making us your audience.
ya know, dude, if you're really interested in participating it wouldn't hurt for you to lurk a bit instead of festering up regurigitated constipated poop nuggets on everybody's threads. i lurked this place for a year before i started spouting my crap...but at least my crap smells like blueberry muffins now (extra moist). step back a bit, become empty and absorb it a bit. then come back refreshed.
protip: taking a week or more off of drugs makes them work better the next time you smoke up. then alternate clarity/idiot/clarity/idiot...that way you're at least tolerable half the time.
Quote from: burnstoupee flapjacks on September 09, 2008, 06:30:41 PM
ya know, dude, if you're really interested in participating it wouldn't hurt for you to lurk a bit instead of festering up regurigitated constipated poop nuggets on everybody's threads. i lurked this place for a year before i started spouting my crap...but at least my crap smells like blueberry muffins now (extra moist). step back a bit, become empty and absorb it a bit. then come back refreshed.
protip: taking a week or more off of drugs makes them work better the next time you smoke up. then alternate clarity/idiot/clarity/idiot...that way you're at least tolerable half the time.
I think i'm getting afasia/synesthesia you guys. Is this awesome? (y/n)
Janv, you're currently at 61 posts, and apart from a mildy incoherent rant about virtue, I haven't really seen anything approximating an idea come from you.
I'm going to do my best not to respond to posts like the one you made above from here on out, because there's a 93% chance it will be in the form of mockery.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Janv, you're currently at 61 posts, and apart from a mildy incoherent rant about virtue, I haven't really seen anything approximating an idea come from you.
I'm going to do my best not to respond to posts like the one you made above from here on out, because there's a 93% chance it will be in the form of mockery.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Janv, you're currently at 61 posts, and apart from a mildy incoherent rant about virtue, I haven't really seen anything approximating an idea come from you.
I'm going to do my best not to respond to posts like the one you made above from here on out, because there's a 93% chance it will be in the form of mockery.
What about the remaining 7%?
you seem to have forgotten already what it is I offered.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Janv, you're currently at 61 posts, and apart from a mildy incoherent rant about virtue, I haven't really seen anything approximating an idea come from you.
I'm going to do my best not to respond to posts like the one you made above from here on out, because there's a 93% chance it will be in the form of mockery.
What about the remaining 7%?
you seem to have forgotten already what it is I offered.
But you know what, I relinquish my position to you. You seem to be intelligent enough.
Have fun with all the new tools.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Janv, you're currently at 61 posts, and apart from a mildy incoherent rant about virtue, I haven't really seen anything approximating an idea come from you.
I'm going to do my best not to respond to posts like the one you made above from here on out, because there's a 93% chance it will be in the form of mockery.
What about the remaining 7%?
you seem to have forgotten already what it is I offered.
But you know what, I relinquish my position to you. You seem to be intelligent enough.
Have fun with all the new tools.
Still waiting ...going once, going twice, going thrice, going four times, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...
What a load of mushy-headed bullshit. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:39:11 AM
What a load of mushy-headed bullshit. :lulz:
It's not unless you want to live without virtue like some liberal degenerate >: (
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:43:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:39:11 AM
What a load of mushy-headed bullshit. :lulz:
It's not unless you want to live without virtue like some liberal degenerate >: (
:lulz: <--- laughing at you.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2008, 03:58:59 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:43:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:39:11 AM
What a load of mushy-headed bullshit. :lulz:
It's not unless you want to live without virtue like some liberal degenerate >: (
:lulz: <--- laughing at you.
YOU MUST BE ONE OF THEM! Just wait you whippersnapper, just wait until you actually start PAYING TAXES! Yes, then you'll feel the pain alright! If we didn't have dependable authority figures like John McCain and Sarah Palin and Karl Rove, who would be keeping dirty liberal hippie communist bastards like you off the street?
I like how retarded people on drugs sound even more retarded and think they sound brilliant
pledge.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 10:37:23 PM
Still waiting ...going once, going twice, going thrice, going four times, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...
i might get kicked in the nuts for saying this but whats in the mystery box anyways
This is one of the dumbest threads I've read in a long time.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 12, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
pledge.
Indeed.
Quote from: YattoDobbs on September 16, 2008, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 10:37:23 PM
Still waiting ...going once, going twice, going thrice, going four times, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...
i might get kicked in the nuts for saying this but whats in the mystery box anyways
nothing but models and memetic programming