Today was a normal day like any other. Dreamt about my commune with Che flag above my bed and the mannifeso under comrade soviet party sleeping set. I woke up, followed my usual morning routine or not, decided on sugar coated golden apple scraps, had a bowl or two. Then decided it was time and left my comfortable home. My comfortable little box on the hillside. Boarded the Mass transportation into downtown, people and the bus are generally to be avoided unlike Airplanes has better single serving friends, who also happen to be screened for weapons but EVERYONE on the bus gets drunk none the less eh? well maybe not the Pilot of this eight wheel beast. Anyways on the bus, well it wasn't that empty and there wasnt many single seats, but a few. Calm was the ride over the hills and through the woods. The ride went along the street, and here I am my own business. Sometimes paying attention to some conversation here and there, not trying to be noisy but listening for key things. About the beetdoom of some sports game or whatever, or details of their life with this or that person. You know usually cabbage type stuff.
Now Ive set a mood let me tell you what happen,
or was allowed to transpire or not.
Here is written where IT HAPPEN
or toke place
"Hey man is this seat taken"
asked some handsome dark haired set with the usual high and tight cut male. Wearing his jock uniform tho instead of pimping some sport like he used to do back in the Highschool days it was now US ARMY, using it with the same uppity attitude. You know the type, pushed kids into lockers, borrowed lunch money. Dated the popular girls. Didn't hang out with losers
"YEAH I MIND YOU FUCKING BABY KILLER"
I think I finally snapped hearing these words come out of my mouth. His right hand connected with my JAWBONE. Spinning I sat back down in my chair. The driver unaware that his country was already being defending by the armed services, started to notice this commotion with watchful eyes of what was going on as with the rest of the bus.
Most people would defend their country when asked to do so, not I, and I don't think this is a bad thing, but would people really put this much effort into defending a Roman soldier back in the day, sure they were smart enough to avoid conversation and usually just let the legion of soldiers do whatever they wish for fear of angering them like some almighty in the sky. Well some villages might, for you see there was No good shits over there and had nothing or were bored not sure on ancient history here. Anyways they wanted what the good shits had here, or there WAIT WHERE AM I? o yeah on a bus with a mild concussion screaming like a girl, that you just hit me, yeah really a fine example of an alpha male archtype.
At this point the conversation is a blur.
Defending imperialism,
YOU NO GOOD SHIT.
NOTHING BUT A Bouncer for Uncle Sam,
So go ahead toss me off the bus like some unwashed hippie,
*sniff* actually i could use a shower
fnord. I did the wage slave thing
Agrestic illusion
"Yea sure man have a seat"
I'm going to wait this out in my bunker.
Nah, he's only living up to peoples (ECH and I's) expectation of him.
He gets stick for insulting veterans, so he decides to write a rant to give them more stick.
Because that's what any Discordian/SubGenius/Upright-Ape-With-Opposable-Thumbs would do, right?
UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
Who the fuck is this little emo? Whoever it is has avoided my radar until now.
Baby killer? Not since Vietnam have I heard such bullshit. If I actually believed your bullshit I would laugh like a loon over the punch. Too bad it didn't really happen.
I'm confused. Why didn't you let the guy sit down?
Because he was handsome and wearing a uniform?
and you took a swing at him?
dude I'm sorry to say I think you got what you paid for,
exact change.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
I'm confused. Why didn't you let the guy sit down?
I did.
fnord. I did the wage slave thing
Agrestic illusion
ah, I heard the echo of that scene from Forrest Gump
"Seat's Taken"
but why'd you hit him?
and what's the agrestic illusion?
like an anerisian one but different or not
and there was no hitting, not even flirting
oh wait, he hit
you. I'm reading everything all backwards today apparently.
Anyway, your response didn't really answer the question. Still trying to make sense of
Quotefnord. I did the wage slave thing
Agrestic illusion
which you've said twice now, including the OP.
what's the illusion and what does it have to do with the story?
I added the "." and Captial letter to make it a bit clearer.
I did the wage slave thing = let him sit cause he wasnt really that bad of a guy.
and getting into a fight over something petty as such.
not sure what the Illusion is, maybe an attempt at a dream movement were reality wasnt real
the only real problem was that the soldier stopped hitting yatto while he were still capable of speech and typing.
babykiller, indeed.
my ex-housemate got drunk and started calling my other housemate's brothers "babykillers" a few weeks ago.
we beat him so badly that he left the state the next day in fear of his life.
if you have valid criticism of the troops themselves (as opposed to the people ordering them around), that's cool. Calling someone a "babykiller" when they've been risking their life on a daily basis in what they view (probably misguidedly) as an effort to defend their country's vital interests is just ignorant and fucked up.
i reject the fact they are untounchable cause they are apart of the warrior caste.
And it wasnt me me who thinks babykillers, or burger king, its what you all propped me up to be previously
so I was having fun with it.
In vietnam it was more valid as mass punishment was more common cause the media wasnt as good as today.
Abuse today is much more controlled and hidden, which is why I distrust them but wont call them out for the tools they are.
so did you get the sense that this guy personally killed a baby? Or do you just hate everybody in a uniform who represents THE MAN?
who said anything about being untouchable?
Quoteif you have valid criticism of the troops themselves (as opposed to the people ordering them around), that's cool. Calling someone a "babykiller" when they've been risking their life on a daily basis in what they view (probably misguidedly) as an effort to defend their country's vital interests is just ignorant and fucked up.
I'm beginning to think that IRL you do alot of screeching.
no one said untouchable I was merely reaching when it wasnt required.
no you are missing me. I see them on the same level as police, fire and Doctors (well most) and nurses
NOT ABOVE THEM
the Letterman's jacket did set some rivally going since I am a leather jacket type
Quoteno one said untouchable I was merely reaching when it wasnt required.
um,
Quote from: YattoDobbs on October 07, 2008, 02:34:01 PM
i reject the fact they are untounchable cause they are apart of the warrior caste.
well no one important
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 07, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
who said anything about being untouchable?
Quoteif you have valid criticism of the troops themselves (as opposed to the people ordering them around), that's cool. Calling someone a "babykiller" when they've been risking their life on a daily basis in what they view (probably misguidedly) as an effort to defend their country's vital interests is just ignorant and fucked up.
I'm beginning to think that IRL you do alot of screeching.
I think IRL he does a lot of bleeding.
whatever. If you're not going to make the effort to communicate (and not just tap randomly on the keyboard), I don't why people should make the effort to pay attention.
If you have actual ideas to communicate, type them out coherently. Nobody wants to decode what you might be saying.
again, just because this is a "Discordian forum" doesn't mean we eat up every ounce of random bullshit.
It takes a lot to get Cram cranky.
feels bad now, and goes to bed without supper
It's stupid, because I know you're not a troll,
but you're displaying the same busted signal:noise ratio as one.
I'm not saying that people have to produce intellectual gems of creativity or whatever.
I mean frankly the bar is set pretty low,
but don't you want people to read your posts without having to ask "WTF are you on about?"
I suggest you fuck with the police instead of soldiers. It will make things much quieter around here a lot quicker!
Quote from: Khara on October 07, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
I suggest you fuck with the police instead of soldiers. It will make things much quieter around here a lot quicker!
I'm sensing a NWA/avatar WOMP in the making...
Quote from: YattoDobbs on October 07, 2008, 02:43:56 PM
no one said untouchable I was merely reaching when it wasnt required.
no you are missing me. I see them on the same level as police, fire and Doctors (well most) and nurses
NOT ABOVE THEM
the Letterman's jacket did set some rivally going since I am a leather jacket type
So you have a kneejerk reaction to people you view as being in a position of "authority"? Your list of who you perceive that way is really interesting. Has it ever occurred to you that your perception reflects a great deal about your own insecurities, and not very much about reality? It is especially strange that you perceive firemen, doctors, and nurses as "authority", let alone soldiers, who are in fact the opposite of "authority", as those poor guys are trained to take orders, not give them.
It seems to me that your issues may be tied into the uniform, which is a common enough neurosis. Do you also perceive mail carriers and other uniformed service workers as a form of authority? Have you ever considered getting counseling for this problem?
You also seem to have some holdover resentment about being bullied in high school, and you're projecting it onto people you perceive as being "successful" within the system, such as soldiers. FYI, a lot of people who join the military actually had a shitty time in high school, too. Misfits, social rejects, and the poor are far more likely to join the military than are the stereotyped "jocks" or prep-school types. The "jocks" and prep-school types go to private colleges and then get MBAs and law degrees and wear suits, because their parents would never stand to see young Dirk join the ARMY. The ARMY is for people without options, without rich parents and private-school tuition and sports scholarships.
The kid on the bus is probably just really happy to not be dead right now, and is just trying to figure out how to stop having nightmares every night and put his life back together and use the paltry college allowance he earned in service.
You want to be mad at someone, try being mad at someone who's actually in charge of this bullshit.
A few become officers too.
And we all know how much grunts love officers....
Nigel you are going to get ulcers if you continue to hold back like this. Really you must learn to just say what you think.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on October 07, 2008, 07:01:59 PM
You also seem to have some holdover resentment about being bullied in high school, and you're projecting it onto people you perceive as being "successful" within the system, such as soldiers. FYI, a lot of people who join the military actually had a shitty time in high school, too. Misfits, social rejects, and the poor are far more likely to join the military than are the stereotyped "jocks" or prep-school types. The "jocks" and prep-school types go to private colleges and then get MBAs and law degrees and wear suits, because their parents would never stand to see young Dirk join the ARMY. The ARMY is for people without options, without rich parents and private-school tuition and sports scholarships.
The kid on the bus is probably just really happy to not be dead right now, and is just trying to figure out how to stop having nightmares every night and put his life back together and use the paltry college allowance he earned in service.
You want to be mad at someone, try being mad at someone who's actually in charge of this bullshit.
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Quote from: The Reverend Asshat on October 07, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
Who the fuck is this little emo? Whoever it is has avoided my radar until now.
No one worth worrying about. A sad, useless,
unfunny troll.
You may now resume talking about people that matter.
Quote from: Nigel on October 07, 2008, 07:01:59 PM
You also seem to have some holdover resentment about being bullied in high school, and you're projecting it onto people you perceive as being "successful" within the system, such as soldiers. FYI, a lot of people who join the military actually had a shitty time in high school, too. Misfits, social rejects, and the poor are far more likely to join the military than are the stereotyped "jocks" or prep-school types. The "jocks" and prep-school types go to private colleges and then get MBAs and law degrees and wear suits, because their parents would never stand to see young Dirk join the ARMY. The ARMY is for people without options, without rich parents and private-school tuition and sports scholarships.
The kid on the bus is probably just really happy to not be dead right now, and is just trying to figure out how to stop having nightmares every night and put his life back together and use the paltry college allowance he earned in service.
You want to be mad at someone, try being mad at someone who's actually in charge of this bullshit.
TROOF. 100% All of us in basic basically had the exact same story. We all determined that you do infact have to be a little bit fucked in the head to join the ARMY... and we're ok with it. :)
(there are times where I really seriously consider joining the Infantry, but then i'm reminded about all the cool shit I'm about to learn.... dealing with optronics and electronics. woohoo, robots too... can't wait.)
Another thing about the CF is, we seem to emphasize leadership in the JR ranks. In order to become a MCPL you have to pass a pretty rigorous leadership training course... you are taught to lead as a NCM, you just aren't going to be commanding brigades and destroying entire cities and shit but you will be leading troops and you will be put into leadership roles.... (I would love to be a General)
JR? I'm guessing MCPL is Master Corporal or equivalent rank.
I may or may not have mentioned this, but I did spend 2 weeks doing training with the Royal Engineers, as part of my work experience (I also did 2 weeks as a vetinary surgeon, which is another disaster entirely). Alot of it was pretty fun, digging trenches and using plastic explosives and other fun, wholesome activites which engineers engage in. But yes, alot of the people who join the army as anything other than an officer usually did so because they didn't really have great prospects in life. The army provides training, discipline and a future career, something a lot of the peope joining it otherwise do not have. Believe me, if my future choices were between working at a fucking box factory on the minimum wage for the rest of my life (or equivalent shitty job), or joining the army, I would choose the latter in a heartbeat. Getting out of your shitty town, especially when you otherwise probably cannot afford to, is a great incentive.
Those going in to be officers however, at least in my experience, are careerists first and foremost, with psychopaths and authoritarian pricks coming joint second. I base this experience on my University's own cadets, most of whom were rich, privileged and complete and utter assholes of the first degree.
The first grouping I called the "Romans". Like Roman nobles in the republic, they joined the military for later personal benefits. Back in those days, it was loot and command of a body of armed men. Today its trading in on the reputation of the military after a 5 year stint as an officer, then onto a job in the City or the more lucrative fields of private military companies, arms traders and consultants for the MoD and various international organizations.
The second and third groups are more obvious. Some just got hardons from telling people what to do (and had a hard time distinguishing between their pretend war games in the Scottish hills and the rest of their life), the others liked the idea of killing with relative impunity.
I'm sure there were some good officers too, they just seem less common, probably because in general the people I knew had far more choices, making their motives for joining the military more diffuse and suspect. And of course, I was dealing with a subset of the population. I remember some people I did A levels with mentioning the army. They were usually little better off than those who joined as soon as mandatory school finished, but A levels will also get you into the role of officer, with some extra training (for some bizzare reason, a degree means you automatically get promoted to 1st Lieutenant on entering the army, whereas if you only have A Levels you start off as a 2nd Lieutenant once your training is over).
good point, cain.
For the record, if anyone would have called me a Baby Killer when I was in uniform and asked them nicely to share a seat on the bus, I'd probably fucking punch them too.
Quote from: Suu on October 09, 2008, 02:33:09 AM
For the record, if anyone would have called me a Baby Killer when I was in uniform and asked them nicely to share a seat on the bus, I'd probably fucking punch them too.
Restrain your killer ovaries, Suu.
Yatto never did any such thing.
He pissed his pants and then fantasized about being a tough guy.
actually im not sure want i felt when i saw him, it wasnt rage but it wasnt normal
something I have to work on. but my focus is wool atm
Quote from: YattoDobbs on October 09, 2008, 05:53:24 AM
actually im not sure want i felt when i saw him, it wasnt rage but it wasnt normal
something I have to work on. but my focus is wool atm
My focus is your unmitigated bullshit.
You didn't say shit.
Quote from: Cain on October 08, 2008, 11:25:23 AM
JR? I'm guessing MCPL is Master Corporal or equivalent rank.
I may or may not have mentioned this, but I did spend 2 weeks doing training with the Royal Engineers, as part of my work experience (I also did 2 weeks as a vetinary surgeon, which is another disaster entirely). Alot of it was pretty fun, digging trenches and using plastic explosives and other fun, wholesome activites which engineers engage in. But yes, alot of the people who join the army as anything other than an officer usually did so because they didn't really have great prospects in life. The army provides training, discipline and a future career, something a lot of the peope joining it otherwise do not have. Believe me, if my future choices were between working at a fucking box factory on the minimum wage for the rest of my life (or equivalent shitty job), or joining the army, I would choose the latter in a heartbeat. Getting out of your shitty town, especially when you otherwise probably cannot afford to, is a great incentive.
Those going in to be officers however, at least in my experience, are careerists first and foremost, with psychopaths and authoritarian pricks coming joint second. I base this experience on my University's own cadets, most of whom were rich, privileged and complete and utter assholes of the first degree.
The first grouping I called the "Romans". Like Roman nobles in the republic, they joined the military for later personal benefits. Back in those days, it was loot and command of a body of armed men. Today its trading in on the reputation of the military after a 5 year stint as an officer, then onto a job in the City or the more lucrative fields of private military companies, arms traders and consultants for the MoD and various international organizations.
The second and third groups are more obvious. Some just got hardons from telling people what to do (and had a hard time distinguishing between their pretend war games in the Scottish hills and the rest of their life), the others liked the idea of killing with relative impunity.
I'm sure there were some good officers too, they just seem less common, probably because in general the people I knew had far more choices, making their motives for joining the military more diffuse and suspect. And of course, I was dealing with a subset of the population. I remember some people I did A levels with mentioning the army. They were usually little better off than those who joined as soon as mandatory school finished, but A levels will also get you into the role of officer, with some extra training (for some bizzare reason, a degree means you automatically get promoted to 1st Lieutenant on entering the army, whereas if you only have A Levels you start off as a 2nd Lieutenant once your training is over).
My apologies Cain. JR is
just "Junior" I should have typed it out properly, Jr.... JUNIOR RANKS.. From the rank of private through to Master Corpral we get a lot of leadership training, especially at the MCPL level. In fact their leadership training is probably just as good if not better then the leadership training officers receive.
And the officer deal is the same way with us over here, that university requirement is just to prove you have a capacity to apply yourself... At least that explanation makes the most sense to me.
I also can't dissagree with your observations on them or the non-commissioned members.