Ladies and Gentlemen,
I declare that Decision 08 is officially the stupidest election ever in United States History. In a year when we have two wars, issues with energy, and an economy that is doing it's impression of the Chernobyl disaster, we are discussing washed up wanna-be terrorists, bat-shit insane pastors (Obama's AND Palin's), and Joe the fucking Plumber.
Joe the plumber, Joe the plumber????
Seriously America??? Joe the Plumber??? And now we have Tito the Construction Guy, Jane the Receptionist, Ralph the Repoman, and Ted the Crook. Uhh, nevermind that last one.
Now, I will be fair. Joe the Plumber actually was a decent metaphor for the McCain campaign when the story first emerged. While the clip of his exchange with Obama has largely been edited to twist the exchange in a somewhat inprecise manner, he still symbolized one of the central philosophies of the McCain campaign. To go after Obama as a tax and spend liberal. However, Joe the Plumbers status officially crossed the line of metaphor to sideshow when McCain mentioned Joe the Plumber 21 times in the Presidential Debate. (Obama didn't help matters by playing along. Seriously Barack, I like you but c'mon, you know that was a bunch of BS.)
And now Joe the Plumber is stumping for McCain (when he bothers to show up), and he will run to any news cameras that happen to be around and start giving his opinion on matters like Foreign Policy. Because, of course, a guy who snakes pipes and unclogs toilets is the perfect person to listen to in such matters. And now he has a publicist and is seeking a Country/Western recording contract. Joe the Plumber just went from being Joe 6 Pack to William Hung.
No, amend that. Joe the Plumber, at this point, is essentially the San Diego Chicken for the John McCain campaign. He's a fucking mascot! Seriously, Mr. McCain, lose the guy. We Americans aren't so stupid that we need a prop to understand your position. Just talk to us about your ideas. I don't want to be Joe the Plumber. Joe the Plumber is a tool.
So, Joe the Plumber, for me, caps off what has been easily one of the stupidest elections of all time. When we have actual issues that are having an immediate impact on people, and we are discussing people and personalities that, DO NOT MATTER.
Obama serving on a board with a loser like Ayers has no impact on my 401k. Sarah Palin having the boogeyman warded off by a nutty Pastor doesn't lower the cost of heating oil. I don't care, I really, really don't care. And most of the people I talk to don't care either. They are tired of the freak show of Decision 08 and just.....want.....it.......to......end!
So what do you think? Have you seen an election full of more fail and lame than this one? Do you think this is a sign of the future or is it a one-off situation? In this era of YouTube and blogs I'm not optimistic.
I'm sick of hearing how this election is HISTORIC! Or a CROSSROADS!
Every single thing about it is fluff, distraction and hype. Same as it's been since at least 1800.
Its a question of perfectly ordinary, run of the mill politician v's The all singing, all dancing first evar black presidente of the USA who, if he gets in will just keep doing ordinary, run of the mill politician shit.
Personally I'd back the rapist just so I can watch videos of white supremacists getting all mad and ranty on whatever sites muppets like that are allowed to post on.
Vote Barack Obama for great shits and giggles on nazitube. Fear not the status quo will not be affected.
Thomas Jefferson promised to teach rape, sodomy, theft and Satanism.
Obama's promise of Liberation Theology, New Left-influenced Marxism and Islam bores me by comparison.
Quote from: Cain on November 01, 2008, 03:25:53 PM
Thomas Jefferson promised to teach rape, sodomy, theft and Satanism.
:cn:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 01, 2008, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 01, 2008, 03:25:53 PM
Thomas Jefferson promised to teach rape, sodomy, theft and Satanism.
:cn:
I think its from one of his opponent's slur campaigns.
Quote from: Kai on November 01, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 01, 2008, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 01, 2008, 03:25:53 PM
Thomas Jefferson promised to teach rape, sodomy, theft and Satanism.
:cn:
I think its from one of his opponent's slur campaigns.
Yes, the John Adams campaign. They also said that Jefferson was also going to burn churches and overthrow the government
AND HE DID
Didn't they also post signs that he would just kill you?
Like "VOTE JEFFERSON AND YOU WILL ACTUALLY FUCKING DIE"
Quote from: Payne on November 01, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
Didn't they also post signs that he would just kill you?
Like "VOTE JEFFERSON AND YOU WILL ACTUALLY FUCKING DIE"
Is it too late for me to run for king of the world? I think I just found my ticket :lulz:
I'll help you run for King of the World, but I'll probably stab you when you actually get elected. USURP
Quote from: Payne on November 01, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
Didn't they also post signs that he would just kill you?
Like "VOTE JEFFERSON AND YOU WILL ACTUALLY FUCKING DIE"
:lulz:
Quote from: I Approve This Username on October 31, 2008, 01:23:33 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I declare that Decision 08 is officially the stupidest election ever in United States History. In a year when we have two wars, issues with energy, and an economy that is doing it's impression of the Chernobyl disaster, we are discussing washed up wanna-be terrorists, bat-shit insane pastors (Obama's AND Palin's), and Joe the fucking Plumber.
1. What's wrong with Jeremiah Wright? I LIKED what he said. If I was still in Chicago, I'd attend his church.
2. Joe the Plumber is the perfect poster child for this decade. He embodies America in the new century. Isn't that hilarious? Doesn't that make you want to laugh until you can't stop screaming?
Quote from: Cain on November 01, 2008, 03:25:53 PM
Thomas Jefferson promised to teach rape, sodomy, theft and Satanism.
Well, that's what happens when you go drinking with Ben Franklin.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2008, 12:30:26 AM
2. Joe the Plumber is the perfect poster child for this decade. He embodies America in the new century. Isn't that hilarious? Doesn't that make you want to laugh until you can't stop screaming?
Also, he's trying to get his country music career started.
Also, he's running for Congress
:walken:
but you know, when even Fox news picks on old Joe, there's no horror, just mirth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo
if you don't have the stones, fast forward to the end. Some high quality lulz in the last 20 seconds
Quote from: Cramulus on November 04, 2008, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2008, 12:30:26 AM
2. Joe the Plumber is the perfect poster child for this decade. He embodies America in the new century. Isn't that hilarious? Doesn't that make you want to laugh until you can't stop screaming?
Also, he's trying to get his country music career started.
Also, he's running for Congress
:walken:
but you know, when even Fox news picks on old Joe, there's no horror, just mirth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo
if you don't have the stones, fast forward to the end. Some high quality lulz in the last 20 seconds
:lulz:
This is great. This guy deserves all the shitting on that he's getting.
Yeah, pretty much. To being with, I was a little put off by the Kossacks and the like digging into his personal background. But he kept on being a fuckmuppet who interjected himself into the race and acting like a Know-Nothing idiot for the benefit of the national press. Accidentally catching the headlines for a while is one thing, but being a one man sleeper cell for the lunatic fringe is another.
Speaking of which, the lunatic fringe ain't paying too well lately. Shit, have you seen what they're doing to Frum and Brooks for having the temerity to point out some basic facts?
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 05:31:48 PM
Yeah, pretty much. To being with, I was a little put off by the Kossacks and the like digging into his personal background. But he kept on being a fuckmuppet who interjected himself into the race and acting like a Know-Nothing idiot for the benefit of the national press. Accidentally catching the headlines for a while is one thing, but being a one man sleeper cell for the lunatic fringe is another.
Speaking of which, the lunatic fringe ain't paying too well lately. Shit, have you seen what they're doing to Frum and Brooks for having the temerity to point out some basic facts?
No. Lay it on me.
Frum, Brooks, Althouse, Peggy Noonan and the rest are "cocktail conservatives" and "Obama-cons", for pointing out that GOP style politics, as they stand, are far removed from what America wants and so need a serious rethink. As one Bush advisor put it, they are "dead men walking" in the party, especially for criticizing Palin.
Tomorrow will be the start of the Night of the Long Knives. Comrades found unwilling to blame the loss of the election on ACORN and claim alleigance to Palin will be purged. Its going to be gloriously messy. A circular firing squad of epic proportions is sizing up for one hell of a political bloodbath, which will likely rumble on until next summer.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 05:38:15 PM
Frum, Brooks, Althouse, Peggy Noonan and the rest are "cocktail conservatives" and "Obama-cons", for pointing out that GOP style politics, as they stand, are far removed from what America wants and so need a serious rethink. As one Bush advisor put it, they are "dead men walking" in the party, especially for criticizing Palin.
Tomorrow will be the start of the Night of the Long Knives. Comrades found unwilling to blame the loss of the election on ACORN and claim alleigance to Palin will be purged. Its going to be gloriously messy. A circular firing squad of epic proportions is sizing up for one hell of a political bloodbath, which will likely rumble on until next summer.
With any luck at all, the party will rupture right down the middle.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 05:38:15 PM
Frum, Brooks, Althouse, Peggy Noonan and the rest are "cocktail conservatives" and "Obama-cons", for pointing out that GOP style politics, as they stand, are far removed from what America wants and so need a serious rethink. As one Bush advisor put it, they are "dead men walking" in the party, especially for criticizing Palin.
Tomorrow will be the start of the Night of the Long Knives. Comrades found unwilling to blame the loss of the election on ACORN and claim alleigance to Palin will be purged. Its going to be gloriously messy. A circular firing squad of epic proportions is sizing up for one hell of a political bloodbath, which will likely rumble on until next summer.
Ooooh.... I should pop some corn....
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2008, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 05:38:15 PM
Frum, Brooks, Althouse, Peggy Noonan and the rest are "cocktail conservatives" and "Obama-cons", for pointing out that GOP style politics, as they stand, are far removed from what America wants and so need a serious rethink. As one Bush advisor put it, they are "dead men walking" in the party, especially for criticizing Palin.
Tomorrow will be the start of the Night of the Long Knives. Comrades found unwilling to blame the loss of the election on ACORN and claim alleigance to Palin will be purged. Its going to be gloriously messy. A circular firing squad of epic proportions is sizing up for one hell of a political bloodbath, which will likely rumble on until next summer.
With any luck at all, the party will rupture right down the middle.
My theory/hope is that the Tory-esque party intellectuals bugger off (with some of the more urbane libertarians and national defence hawks) and the remaining crazies in the GOP appeal to the Constitution Party to pick up the numbers. The only problem with that is that the proto-fascists in the Constitution Party then get to use the GOP branding which, while in pretty bad shape, has the benefit of not being totally bugfuck insane (in the black helicoptor/secret one world government style).
Sooner or later, the GOP is really going to need to get its shit together. A two party system is bad enough, but once we're down to one, it's going to become a lot more difficult to pretend that we're a representative democracy and not some kind of oligarchy. John McCain lost the election when he decided to associate himself with Bush, and he should have realized that much when even the media stopped even acknowledging the man, and then choosing Palin was pretty much like pouring battery acid into a gaping wound. I wish I could have more sympathy since this was basically his last shot at the presidency, but McCain really fucked himself, along with anybody who might have voted for the guy he was five years ago.
My prediction is that the next four years are pretty much going to suck big, hairy balls regardless of who wins (Obama), and if the Republican leaders can pull their heads out of their asses, maybe they'll have the sense to stop affiliating themselves with crazy ass fundamentalists before the next election.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 08:51:31 PM
Sooner or later, the GOP is really going to need to get its shit together.
Why? If people will vote for Bush, they'll vote for any silly fucker the GOP tosses up, as long as he jabbers about Jesus a little.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 08:51:31 PM
My prediction is that the next four years are pretty much going to suck big, hairy balls regardless of who wins (Obama), and if the Republican leaders can pull their heads out of their asses, maybe they'll have the sense to stop affiliating themselves with crazy ass fundamentalists before the next election.
Good luck with that. That's all the GOP has left for anyone who isn't a CEO.
McCain realized that the GOP was being destroyed by neo-cons and religious nutcases. So he cleverly planned to run for office, make the stupidest blunders and dredge up a VP that stands for all that's wrong with the GOP in order to shine a spotlight on the issues. He's intentionally thrown the election by making his campaign a parody of the failings of the Old Party and once this is all done, he'll announce that he's changing aisles and joining the Dems, giving them a super majority in the Senate, that they otherwise would have missed by 1.
Immediately he and Obama will begin dismantling the past 8 years of signing statements, Patriot Acts, memos on Torture, doctrines of preemption and he'll personally lead the charge to close Guantanamo, speaking with each prisoner and begging them to forgive the evil acts of some men, in the name of this nation.
However, he'll still be in the lead on the GOP side when the Democrats act like assholes... knocking heads when necessary.
--
Then I woke up and went to vote....
The thing is though, all of the things that Ratatosk just listed as being wrong with Bush's presidency have nothing to do with the Republican Party, or at least not in the traditional sense. Conservativism is traditionally about protection of property and maintaining the status quo. Ideally, if the Democrats were trying to bring about equality and the Republicans were trying to keep the everyone where they are, there would be some rational compromise where the wealthy might make a few sacrifices to bring the lower class up toward the middle class, which could help to decrease crime and violence and ultimately benefit everybody.
Unfortunately, that's not how it's happening. The problem, as I see it, is that other issues are being involved, because people don't know how to vote on economic issues. People don't get that you can't just tax the profits of corporations, because they'll in turn jack up their prices to make back what they lost. People are too short sighted to understand things like that, so they vote on issues like abortion and gay marriage, shit that doesn't matter. People who would benefit from a Democrat in office are voting for McCain because he's a God-fearing American. People who would benefit from a Republican in office are voting for Obama because he's going to end the war in Iraq (no he's not.) Elections are stolen by these ridiculous non-issues, and even the parties are losing sight of what they're supposed to be representing.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 09:16:57 PM
The thing is though, all of the things that Ratatosk just listed as being wrong with Bush's presidency have nothing to do with the Republican Party, or at least not in the traditional sense.
It's been a long time since Barry Goldwater, NB.
And even he was debatable.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 09:16:57 PM
The thing is though, all of the things that Ratatosk just listed as being wrong with Bush's presidency have nothing to do with the Republican Party, or at least not in the traditional sense.
It's been a long time since Barry Goldwater, NB.
And even he was debatable.
Goldwater was the original wingnut.
I'll cite evidence if required. Hell, even Burke and de Maistre were a confused elitist reactionary and a whining theocratic fanatic respectively, if we want to go back to the start of things.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 09:16:57 PM
The thing is though, all of the things that Ratatosk just listed as being wrong with Bush's presidency have nothing to do with the Republican Party, or at least not in the traditional sense.
It's been a long time since Barry Goldwater, NB.
And even he was debatable.
Goldwater was the original wingnut.
I'll cite evidence if required. Hell, even Burke and de Maistre were a confused elitist reactionary and a whining theocratic fanatic respectively, if we want to go back to the start of things.
Oh, sure.
But he was also the last GOP presidential candidate that had ANY actual "conservative" ideals left.
Well, yes. His opposition to racism was admirable, for example, even if it was somewhat undermined by his support for state rights However, the 'war on everything', 'I'm willing to let every man, woman and child in America die to prove I am right' mentality he had towards the Soviet Union is pretty much the modern conservative approach to foreign policy (excepting Nixon, bizzarely).
Edit: wow, I cannot type tonight.
I support state rights...
Although I seem to be the only one left.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 04, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
I support state rights...
Although I seem to be the only one left.
I think the idea of State Rights are great. Unfortunately, they've been trod under for so long, it would require major overhauls of lots and lots of legislation which neither party would like. Heck, most other 'States Rights' advocates seem to only like it when it deals with the issues that fit their view.
The Federal Government can't say we have to allow abortions! But, by God it should outlaw gay marriage!
I think the States should have the right to legalize Pot, but we should outlaw all guns!
The Guns and Dope Party is the only party that ever understood States Rights ;-)
Olga 2012!
State rights is a code word for the conservative movement's support of Jim Crow laws.
If you think anything else, you got suckered by the propaganda. Look to the effect, not the rhetoric.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 10:02:52 PM
State rights is a code word for the conservative movement's support of Jim Crow laws.
If you think anything else, you got suckered by the propaganda. Look to the effect, not the rhetoric.
Well, in my reference, I'm talking about the right for States to make independent decisions, which is code word for "How the damned country started in the first place". However, its use in popular culture at this point is a cross between Jim Crow and Abortion/Anti-Roe v. Wade bullshit.
HOWEVER, based on my experiences in this country, I think things would, in general, work much better if the Federal Government dealt with Interstate Commerce, National Defense and Ensuring that the States didn't trample the Constitutional rights of the citizens (which would overrule any attempt at Jim Crow).
Most other stuff, I think, should be handled by the states. To think that the BiP of a person in Boston and the BiP of a person in Alabama and the BiP of a person in California are close enough to willingly live under a single set of subjective laws ... seems asinine to me.
Unfortunately, that's theory versus practice. In theory, some things are handled better at a local or state level, but I would strongly suggest that universalized rights, such as civil liberties are not among those, based on past practice.
Even if it weren't the Lester Maddox revival society, "States Rights" are pretty heavily regulated by article VI of the US constitution.
Or perhaps you'd like to go back to the good old days of the articles of confederation, Shay's rebellion, the whiskey rebellion, etc?
Believe it or not, I honestly do support state rights across the board - that's the only way it really makes any sense. And I'm not sure what propaganda you mean, Cain - it's something I only ever heard discussed by libertarians, and it's actually how I learned about the libertarian movement. Unfortunately, their political philosophies tend to carry along other things that I don't necessarily agree with. Ron Paul is Pro-Life? What?
The United States is a pretty massive country, and the culture of, say, California, does not necessarily match the culture of Texas. Therefore, I don't think the massive population of one state should be dictating the laws of another. Anyway, I like the idea that different people could find different states that suit their priorities, and they can move about as they change as individuals. I just don't believe that you can govern such a diverse range of people across the entire country in exactly the same way.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 05, 2008, 02:44:18 AM
Believe it or not, I honestly do support state rights across the board - that's the only way it really makes any sense. And I'm not sure what propaganda you mean, Cain - it's something I only ever heard discussed by libertarians, and it's actually how I learned about the libertarian movement. Unfortunately, their political philosophies tend to carry along other things that I don't necessarily agree with. Ron Paul is Pro-Life? What?
The United States is a pretty massive country, and the culture of, say, California, does not necessarily match the culture of Texas. Therefore, I don't think the massive population of one state should be dictating the laws of another. Anyway, I like the idea that different people could find different states that suit their priorities, and they can move about as they change as individuals. I just don't believe that you can govern such a diverse range of people across the entire country in exactly the same way.
So you support a confederation, rather than a federation.
I guess you could say that. I wouldn't say across the board - constitutional issues, like civil liberties, should be federal, but that's basically it. The federal government shouldn't control things like drinking age, driving age, gun laws, et cetera. It just doesn't make sense for California to influence the gun laws in Texas, and why should a bunch of rednecks in West Virginia be able to say that gays in New England can't get married?
We're all Human with ALL different opinions-which will Never has nor Never will lead to a workable system for all.
:argh!:
Back to that big pile 'O shit.
Roger, you are aware that state's rights didn't go away just cause they moved to a federal system? Hell, the entire point of federalism was to have a central government and maintain states rights.
Of course, then states rights got tossed out cause we needed to outlaw drugs, (horrible drugs that turn you into an axe murderer!). And federalism was perverted to become this horrible lurching monster used pretty much entirely to support a legal theory of dismantling the 14th amendment, and thus stripping away the bill of rights at the state level (again). Governments not allowed to set up state religions, federalism to the rescue!, people being arrested because they need weed to keep from starving to death? No states rights at all.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 05:38:15 PM
Frum, Brooks, Althouse, Peggy Noonan and the rest are "cocktail conservatives" and "Obama-cons", for pointing out that GOP style politics, as they stand, are far removed from what America wants and so need a serious rethink. As one Bush advisor put it, they are "dead men walking" in the party, especially for criticizing Palin.
Tomorrow will be the start of the Night of the Long Knives. Comrades found unwilling to blame the loss of the election on ACORN and claim alleigance to Palin will be purged. Its going to be gloriously messy. A circular firing squad of epic proportions is sizing up for one hell of a political bloodbath, which will likely rumble on until next summer.
I'm pretty sure May counts as summer.
right on target! (as usual)