http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/081202-body-swapping.html (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/081202-body-swapping.html)
QuoteScientists now have manipulated people's perceptions to make them think they have swapped bodies with another human or even a "humanoid body," experiencing the sensations that the other would feel and giving the illusion of being inside the other's body.
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In real life, the cognitive neuroscientists at the Swedish medical university Karolinska Institutet succeeded in making subjects perceive the bodies of mannequins and other people as their own. The illusion also worked even when the two people differed in appearance or were of different sexes. It also worked whether the subject was immobile or was making voluntary movements. However, it was not possible to fool the subjects into identifying with a non-humanoid object, such as a chair or a large block.
A year ago, scientists achieved the illusion of an out-of-body experience in subjects, using virtual reality. The new research manipulates the brain even further — out of itself and into another body.
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/081202-body-swapping.html (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/081202-body-swapping.html)
Thanks for this. It hits close to home.
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 04, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
Just because its "made up" in your head doesn't make it any less real.
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 04, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
As it turns out, you aren't really real reality. I made you up, so if you wanna keep living you need to start sending me $121 a week so I'll keep believing in you, thereby, allowing you to continue to exist. :lol:
Quote from: Kai on December 05, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 04, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
Just because its "made up" in your head doesn't make it any less real.
Well that's true. But this does lend to the idea that our brains are more easily fooled than we tend to think...
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 05, 2008, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 05, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 04, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
Just because its "made up" in your head doesn't make it any less real.
Well that's true. But this does lend to the idea that our brains are more easily fooled than we tend to think...
I think that one of the most important aspects of Discordia (and the BIP) is to constantly remind ourselves that we are always fooling ourselves as to what's "really out there". Always. ALL THE TIME. EVEN RIGHT NOW.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 05, 2008, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 05, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on December 04, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
It's the little reality hacks like this that makes one question how much of really real reality we're experiencing, versus how much we're making up in our head.
Just because its "made up" in your head doesn't make it any less real.
Well that's true. But this does lend to the idea that our brains are more easily fooled than we tend to think...
I think that one of the most important aspects of Discordia (and the BIP) is to constantly remind ourselves that we are always fooling ourselves as to what's "really out there". Always. ALL THE TIME. EVEN RIGHT NOW.
Agreed 100%
Sometimes we even fool ourselves about barstools ;-)
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:16:33 PM
I think that one of the most important aspects of Discordia (and the BIP) is to constantly remind ourselves that we are always fooling ourselves as to what's "really out there". Always. ALL THE TIME. EVEN RIGHT NOW.
Fooling ourselves?
or, just limited in scope as to our perception of it?
If it was just limited perception, we would see the gaps.
We make shit up to create a cohesive worldview.
Often, the shit we make up has nothing to do with anything.
Humans thoroughly detest having a lack of control. It starts from infancy and we never really outgrow it. We just think that as we grow "smarter" we somehow have wrestled more control from our surroundings. When in reality, I think it's pretty much just that we have more weapons and experience for dealing with what comes our way.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
If it was just limited perception, we would see the gaps.
We make shit up to create a cohesive worldview.
Often, the shit we make up has nothing to do with anything.
Very very true. Starbucks Pebbles illustrates this quite nicely.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
If it was just limited perception, we would see the gaps.
that doesn't follow....
:?
the starbucks pebbles themselves are actually there. the perception of that isn't self delusional....
perhaps im just channeling Ratatosk's pedantry atm.... :oops:
Quote from: Iptuous on December 05, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
If it was just limited perception, we would see the gaps.
that doesn't follow....
:?
the starbucks pebbles themselves are actually there. the perception of that isn't self delusional....
perhaps im just channeling Ratatosk's pedantry atm.... :oops:
The pebbles are there. But we make up their relationship to each other. By seeing them connected as a Pentagon, by seeing them being intersected by lines that form a star, etc.,
How many entertain the thought that they actually have no relationship whatsoever and need not be connected?
Cf: RAW's "bananna/knife" experiment.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
If it was just limited perception, we would see the gaps.
We make shit up to create a cohesive worldview.
Often, the shit we make up has nothing to do with anything.
This is the ZOOM motorcycle.
We can perform all sorts of experiments to show that the neurological system will simply make shit up, IF it doesn't have data, if it has data it doesn't expect or if it has data which heavily conflicts with its current belief system.
First, we have Bob's old example of interviewing psych students that saw their teacher stabbed by a madman. They accurately describe the knife used, the color of the handle etc... and are surprised when it turns out to have been a banana.
At COSI, a science museum here in Columbus, there is an ingenious toy which feels hot, burning hot to the touch... but it isn't really hot at all. Rather parts of it are cool, which confuses the system and it judges the whole thing as hot.
Examples of change blindness and inattentional blindness can be found at: http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/djs_lab/ (http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/djs_lab/)
There are some great examples there. :)
See? We don't always disagree.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
See? We don't always disagree.
Of course not... and when we do, something interesting usually pops out. ;-)
Your mother pops something interesting out.
Quote from: LMNO on December 05, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
Your mother pops something interesting out.
Fuck You, My Mom Died From Popping Something Interesting Out!
:lulz:
you made my coworkers look at me funny...
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Quote from: F.M.E on December 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Fuck, Really. This puts the field of teledildonics into whole new territory.
Quote from: Telarus on December 05, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: F.M.E on December 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Fuck, Really. This puts the field of teledildonics into whole new territory.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Telarus on December 05, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: F.M.E on December 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Fuck, Really. This puts the field of teledildonics into whole new territory.
If I wanted to pursue a career in teledildonics, where do you recommend I start?
At the Teledildonics Union Offices!
Quote from: Nigel on December 06, 2008, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: Telarus on December 05, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: F.M.E on December 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Fuck, Really. This puts the field of teledildonics into whole new territory.
If I wanted to pursue a career in teledildonics, where do you recommend I start?
Well, if you can't go to school for it... Experience counts for a lot. So if you could get some experience in a related field... :fap:
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 22, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 06, 2008, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: Telarus on December 05, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: F.M.E on December 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this is the correct "for rapid technological development" motorcycle
:fap: :fap: :fap:
Fuck, Really. This puts the field of teledildonics into whole new territory.
If I wanted to pursue a career in teledildonics, where do you recommend I start?
Well, if you can't go to school for it... Experience counts for a lot. So if you could get some experience in a related field... :fap:
Oh, well then I'm probably already qualified! I'll just have to draft up a resume...
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this.
srsly, though. I would pay you good money if you could make me think I WAS Sasha Gray during a lesbian scene.
Quote from: Dirtytime on January 22, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this.
srsly, though. I would pay you good money if you could make me think I WAS Sasha Gray during a lesbian scene.
I think you'd have a better chance of thinking you were Ron Jeremy with this particular trick ;-)
Quote from: Dirtytime on January 22, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this.
srsly, though. I would pay you good money if you could make me think I WAS Sasha Gray during a lesbian scene.
Yowza. Good call.
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 22, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on January 22, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this.
srsly, though. I would pay you good money if you could make me think I WAS Sasha Gray during a lesbian scene.
I think you'd have a better chance of thinking you were Ron Jeremy with this particular trick ;-)
I am Ron Jeremy, minus about 6 pounds of body hair.
Quote from: Dirtytime on January 23, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 22, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on January 22, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
My only interest in this is how I can use it to masturbate.
this.
srsly, though. I would pay you good money if you could make me think I WAS Sasha Gray during a lesbian scene.
I think you'd have a better chance of thinking you were Ron Jeremy with this particular trick ;-)
I am Ron Jeremy, minus about 6 pounds of body hair. And 30 pounds of corpulence.
Amendeded.
no, I have that 30 pounds.
it's just all in my testicles.