Hello my fellow Discordians, I know this is probably my very first post but I have something that I have been working on hard to give to the Principia Discordia community... a new forum theme.
I noticed that everything on this entire site is beautiful and themed other than the forum, which is using the default SMF theme. So I broke out the dreamweaver and whipped up a theme that is consistant with the rest of the site, you can check out the test site here:
http://www.cosmicforums.com/
This way it looks like the forum just runs right into the rest of the website, and it does more so than the one you have running right now. Look at the bottom of my test site and you will see a footer string of links that connects every forum page to every page on the main site, including the Black Iron Prison book as well.
I also put custom metadata in the head of this theme to direct keywords and favicon correctly in the browser. It also has several style sheet options that will shrink or enlarge the text on every page for those of you who would like to visit the site without your reading glasses on.
Here is a list of its built in support features if you want to mod up this theme a bit more
- Support for TinyPortal mod
- Support for SMF Arcade mod
- Support for Ultimate Shoutbox mod
- Support for SMF Gallery Lite mod
- Support for Ad Management mod
- Support for Googlebots & Spiders mod
- Support for Global Announcements mod
- Support for SMF Shop mod
Anyways, I put quite a bit of work into it, so I hope you all enjoy it -- if the admin even decides he/she wants to use it. If this theme does get used, I pledge my support for it and this forum for free for any SMF related problems you may encounter or if you want to upgrade it/mod it.
Here is the link to the theme package:
http://www.cosmicforums.com/discordiantemplate.zip
Aww. That is very, very sweet!
Free Potato Peeler or GTFO!
:argh!:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 07, 2008, 11:49:03 PM
Free Potato Peeler or GTFO!
:argh!:
err....ummm..what?
Let me show you what I do to people who rub me the wrong way.. I even made an Inspirational Tract to help spread the word about my awesomeness and everyone elses pitifulness:
http://jesuschristarcade.com/index.php?topic=21.0
..and by the way..you'll get your free potato peeler as soon as I am done sodomizing myself with it! :fap:
Cute tract!
LOL, I have tons of stuff like that on my arcade. The Jesus Christ Arcade is spam free and pop-up free, so have fun.
i thought the front page got a updated look ? where did it go?
Quote from: F.M.E on December 08, 2008, 12:21:08 AM
i thought the front page got a updated look ? where did it go?
It's close to finished, but hasn't been implemented yet... I believe it's still in the works though.
i must have seen it during a test run? would have swore it was up..
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 07, 2008, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 07, 2008, 11:49:03 PM
Free Potato Peeler or GTFO!
:argh!:
err....ummm..what?
Let me show you what I do to people who rub me the wrong way.. I even made an Inspirational Tract to help spread the word about my awesomeness and everyone elses pitifulness:
http://jesuschristarcade.com/index.php?topic=21.0
Outlandish!
Svelte theme! If it gets installed, I'll totally try it out. Welcome aboard dude.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 08, 2008, 01:48:11 PM
Svelte theme! If it gets installed, I'll totally try it out. Welcome aboard dude.
Quoted only to highlight the stellar use of 'svelte' here.
Also, theme is cute. :)
Well, to be honest I am very reasonable. I have been working with SMF for over a year, and even though I am not a super pro at it like the guys who made the software, I know many ins and outs of the forum software to do damn near anything with it. If the owners of this site are planning on giving the site a new look (frankly I like the look of it now), then I will be more than happy to update this forum theme as well to fit the new design.
I have been a webdesigner for about 5 years now, the last 2 have been professional. I am well versed in Flash (check out my site and see all of the Flash comedy I have at http://www.jesuschristarcade.com/) and I currently work for P.Q.Host (http://www.pqhost.com/ - and yes, I made the Flash pages on this hosting site.)
The gist of it is, I love this book. I love the Principia. I love what the site owner has done in offering this WONDERFUL book to the masses. I am an absurdist by nature, and I tend to swing back and forth between discordian type religions and atheism (if that makes any sense..LOL)... I feel that it is only correct of me to give back to this site. So, my talents are on call to the owner(s) of this site. All they need to do is ask.
Praise Eris
Praise Loki
Praise Hypnos
Praise nothing!
wow, mind if I kidnap you?
I will try out the theme tonight and see is it compatable.
Quote from: Faust on December 08, 2008, 02:31:39 PM
wow, mind if I kidnap you?
I will try out the theme tonight and see is it compatable.
Sure, that is why I popped the theme up there as a download. The theme isnt 100% original (as is 99.99% of the other themes available for SMF), but is based on an existing theme. It also works with Tiny Portal (I love that mod, it turns your forum into a portal/website).
Are you this web sites web master? I sent a PM to ID#2 which should be the person who set up this forum but I havent recieved a reply.
If you have any problems and requests let them be asked, but my main priority right now is to get THIS forum continuous with the main site (if they will let me, of course) 8)
The Mgt is id #2, I work on some of they layout and stuff.
The Mgt wont be around much during the Christmas as far as I know. I'll talk to you about some of the forum layout stuff later on, I'm currently studying for an engineering economics exam.
Wonderful Faust. Im going to pop you up as a friend on the PM system here (if it will let me) so we can keep in touch. I have also thought of making a Flash based nav board for the main site that would have all kinds of kooky visual effects when you access it. I love this site for its simplicity, of course, but if you REALLY want to get chaotic, then Flash animation is the way to go..and you are talking to the right person for the job...nutty Flash animation is my speciality.
Anyways, good luck on the Exam. I went through 7 years of 3 different schools (no degree either..lol) and I am done with exams myself. I now find myself content to continue my education online at my own time and the occasional electrical/code Lecture to keep me up to date.
Why hasn't anyone's rampant paranoia kicked in yet, and naturally assumed he's some sort of hacker/scam artist intent on crashing the entire board with a hidden "feature" in the theme he created, allowing him to take total control of the site?
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 03:19:54 PM
Why hasn't anyone's rampant paranoia kicked in yet, and naturally assumed he's some sort of hacker/scam artist intent on crashing the entire board with a hidden "feature" in the theme he created, allowing him to take total control of the site?
Thats a given, of course I am going to filter through the theme and test it on a dummy board. I thought it went without saying so I was being courteous, security is always paramount, or my avatar isn't Vladimir Putin.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Wonderful Faust. Im going to pop you up as a friend on the PM system here (if it will let me) so we can keep in touch. I have also thought of making a Flash based nav board for the main site that would have all kinds of kooky visual effects when you access it. I love this site for its simplicity, of course, but if you REALLY want to get chaotic, then Flash animation is the way to go..and you are talking to the right person for the job...nutty Flash animation is my speciality.
Anyways, good luck on the Exam. I went through 7 years of 3 different schools (no degree either..lol) and I am done with exams myself. I now find myself content to continue my education online at my own time and the occasional electrical/code Lecture to keep me up to date.
actually a flash for the front page is in the long term plan, I will message you about it later today.
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 03:19:54 PM
Why hasn't anyone's rampant paranoia kicked in yet, and naturally assumed he's some sort of hacker/scam artist intent on crashing the entire board with a hidden "feature" in the theme he created, allowing him to take total control of the site?
I naturally assumed he was a clod when his first post was a plug, ala The Outlandish One. And I think I still assume that, but I will play nice since others seem to have taken a shine to him.
LMNO - LOL.. I have a test forum with the theme installed and I also have the package available in ZIP form for anyone to open in an html editor to confirm that it is what it is. I have also pledged support to fix any problems that may incur with its installation and expressed interest in future endevors.
Also, my myspace page has a link directly to this site (http://www.myspace.com/reverendjeremiah) , you will have to scroll down to see it. I have also worked well with other online sites, such as www.freethunk.com and the church of google among others.
But the MAIN reason you should trust me is because I SAY that Im trustworthy damnit! :evil: And if you cant trust that I am not a member of the conspiracy then it is you who may just be a subtle master mind of the conspiracy that has infiltrated this forum to infest us with Trimetrionic demons from Uranus!
Honestly, how many years have you been a member of the conspiracy? I'm no pinkboy! I'm no "Bobbie" either. I can definitely smell "Dont trust me" and "Look the other way while I pick your pocket" written all over your post.
:argh!: Flash sucks. Please, don't add flash to this forum!
Maybe some DHTML interactive animations, I could live with that. Considering that creating flash animations requires no programming skills whatsoever, it's glaringly obvious why so many people hate it screwing up their browsing experience.
Remember that adobe are morons and can't release a stable/secure player? It was recently found that all versions of flash could be used as a keylogger regardless of whether you had focus on the browser window. The flash player for Linux sucks too.
I don't mind the main site having flash, its just that scrolling on content laden pages with a flash banner at the top is painfully slow on old computers and Linux machines.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 03:31:07 PM
LMNO - LOL.. I have a test forum with the theme installed and I also have the package available in ZIP form for anyone to open in an html editor to confirm that it is what it is. I have also pledged support to fix any problems that may incur with its installation and expressed interest in future endevors.
Also, my myspace page has a link directly to this site (http://www.myspace.com/reverendjeremiah) , you will have to scroll down to see it. I have also worked well with other online sites, such as www.freethunk.com and the church of google among others.
But the MAIN reason you should trust me is because I SAY that Im trustworthy damnit! :evil: And if you cant trust that I am not a member of the conspiracy then it is you who may just be a subtle master mind of the conspiracy that has infiltrated this forum to infest us with Trimetrionic demons from Uranus!
Honestly, how many years have you been a member of the conspiracy? I'm no pinkboy! I'm no "Bobbie" either. I can definitely smell "Dont trust me" and "Look the other way while I pick your pocket" written all over your post.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/borgface.jpg)
I also co-hosted a one hour podcast with Hellbound Alleee and Reverend Ivan Stang. Stang is a great guy and I got to talk with him for about a half hour before the show. I've been wanting to go to one of his devivals and maybe be a guest speaker, but I always seem to be too busy during X-day.
Anyways, here is the link to that podcast:
http://jesuschristarcade.com/index.php?topic=12.0
Quote from: CynicalCichilid on December 08, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
:argh!: Flash sucks. Please, don't add flash to this forum!
I am well aware of the ins and outs of Flash. Some people even disable Flash in their browsers and that would make it where they cannot see the nav board at all. There is always a pro and con issue with ANY nav option you consider. If Flash is used, I would suggest an html nav on the same pages as well. I would definitely NOT suggest making the site 100% flash either. I have found that a good mix of different file types makes for a great presentation.
and we are only talking about the main site. I would NOT suggest using anything other than Simple Machines Forums for this forum. I have tried ALL of the other forum softwares out there, and SMF is the best. Its so good, I use it EXCLUSIVELY for my entire site.
To be honest, alll I want is a fast-loading board that could pass at a glance as some application I use for work. Too many bells and whistles would draw attention to the fact that I'm not actually working.
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 03:50:54 PM
To be honest, alll I want is a fast-loading board that could pass at a glance as some application I use for work. Too many bells and whistles would draw attention to the fact that I'm not actually working.
The board has been sluggish today, but otherwise isn't that what we have?
Yes. It's not borked, so I'm not sure it needs to be fixed.
Just so everybody's on the same page, nobody would be forced to use Rev Jeremiah's theme... you can choose a theme that looks like your work terminal, while I'm still using the Closet Homo in the Florida Keys theme.
But I'm with you there LMNO, I like simple, minimalist themes so that when somebody barges into my cubicle, I don't look like I'm fapping to lolcats. But at home, I like a zanier arrangement.
Jeremiah, I think you'll find this forum to be an interesting place, especially for someone that's so well acquainted with the "irreligious memeplex" (whatever that means - you know, Discorida & Subgenia). Ironically, the PD community takes a sort of skeptical, arms-length view of the PD - don't get me wrong, I love the book, but it's certainly not treated like a Holy Text around here. :p
We're really interested in how we can apply all this Discordian Indoctrine to our lives and our creative projects without merely rehashing and repeating 50 year old in-jokes (a VERY COMMON trap for Discordians!). If you stick around, I'm sure you'll see some of that awesome energy.
Quote from: Faust on December 08, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 03:50:54 PM
To be honest, alll I want is a fast-loading board that could pass at a glance as some application I use for work. Too many bells and whistles would draw attention to the fact that I'm not actually working.
The board has been sluggish today, but otherwise isn't that what we have?
You apparently have seen through my clever plan...
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 04:17:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on December 08, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 08, 2008, 03:50:54 PM
To be honest, alll I want is a fast-loading board that could pass at a glance as some application I use for work. Too many bells and whistles would draw attention to the fact that I'm not actually working.
The board has been sluggish today, but otherwise isn't that what we have?
You apparently have seen through my clever plan...
I'm adding goatse to the news bar as we speak
well, if Jeremiah is going to beat me to updating the front page, that's good :) I'd really love to do it myself, but due to circumstances I simply can't make any promise as to when it could be finished, so if you all don't want to wait for that I can understand.
I'd personally prefer if it wouldn't use Flash, though. We have a PageRank 5 domain here that's indexed very well by the search engines, and it would be a shame to let that go for some flashy animation stuff. Also I'd prefer a more no-nonsense functional approach for the PD site, letting our discordianness speak from our actions and words, not zany bells and whistles.
Jeremiah, my (preliminary) new design for the front page is this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/new_index.html (nice clean semantic HTML). My plan was to turn it into a WordPress Sandbox skin, incorporate that with the blog (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/blog) and use the WordPress software as the CMS for the rest of the pages, so our admins can easily keep the site up-to-date. If you follow.
The board is going to be a bit sluggish sometimes when it handles this many guests and visitors. I can do a quick search for some mods that will boost your speed and load times, but if the owner is thinking of using the theme I am offering.. it would be best to install the theme first, then I can walk you through installing any mods by hand if they dont instantly upload.
Either that or I can take the theme.index.php file, throw some mods onto it by hand and then send it back so all you have to do is upload a single file (or just 2 or 3 instead of having to manual install yourself).
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 08, 2008, 04:31:52 PM
I'd personally prefer if it wouldn't use Flash, though. We have a PageRank 5 domain here that's indexed very well by the search engines, and it would be a shame to let that go for some flashy animation stuff. Also I'd prefer a more no-nonsense functional approach for the PD site, letting our discordianness speak from our actions and words, not zany bells and whistles.
it wont use flash, thats my side project and would never be the front page, it would be an alternative entrace as it were.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 04:35:03 PM
The board is going to be a bit sluggish sometimes when it handles this many guests and visitors. I can do a quick search for some mods that will boost your speed and load times, but if the owner is thinking of using the theme I am offering.. it would be best to install the theme first, then I can walk you through installing any mods by hand if they dont instantly upload.
Either that or I can take the theme.index.php file, throw some mods onto it by hand and then send it back so all you have to do is upload a single file (or just 2 or 3 instead of having to manual install yourself).
the response time speed is the sql, if you know some good mods for that forward me the links and I will have a look at installing them
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 08, 2008, 04:31:52 PM
We have a PageRank 5 domain here that's indexed very well by the search engines, and it would be a shame to let that go for some flashy animation stuff. Also I'd prefer a more no-nonsense functional approach for the PD site, letting our discordianness speak from our actions and words, not zany bells and whistles.
Well, page rank doesnt exactly get lowered by the use of Flash on your site. I had 100% Flash on http://www.jesuschristarcade.com/ for 3 years and only just recently decided to move it over to MySQL and it grew to PageRank 4 during those Flash days and is still growing strong. It really helps to know how to add meta data into the Flash, and you can CRAM metadata into a Flash file without setting off the spider flags that look for repeated meta data while improving page rank(Damn, now you got me giving out my trade secrets!). Nevertheless, I do agree that Flash is not the cure. I would highly suggest going with what you got (simplicity) and then making the SMF theme reflect the color/image schemes of the main site so that everything looks fluid and simple. That was the MO I had when constructing this new theme to begin with.
Now I hear that the main site has been under construction for a new look. Pray tell where can I see this "version 2" site? I would have no problem setting a newer theme for this forum to reflect the color and image schemes of this "version 2" site :)
I would also have no problem helping the final phases of construction for this new version as well.
My apologies, I see the new site..looks good.
Wordpress huh? Thats wonderful, it makes it easier for me to transfer CMS from wordpress to SMF in a breeze. Hmm, not much on the site nav to the right. Have you decided what you would like on the nav? Images would be MUCH more attractive than text, and having a picture of the actual book under that nav would be attractive as well.
Im also pretty good at making Favicons, so let me know something if you need anything..
I know, Im still a n00b here, but I have a well established net presence. If you wish to take some time before you let me on board then I understand completely. Until then feel free to ask me questions and I will try to help you as much as possible.
Okay, lets trim a few things to pick up the speed of the forum. First thing you want to do (and all of these are optional) is get rid of those "MySQL" and "Powered by" buttons at the bottom of the forum. every page that is accessed draws 2370 bytes just from these useless buttons that NOBODY uses. Here is the mod that will remove those buttons:
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1330
You may also consider checking that the entire forum is updated. I see 1.1.7 at the bottom, so that may not be a factor. I do not suggest going 2.0 beta.
Also, adding an apache error handler into the mix may help load times on the database as it will report errors inside of the template.
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1363
I appreciate how energetic you are but there is also a good chance i wont get around to any of this for another three weeks while all my exams are on, if i do it will be bits and pieces.
the first thing i will look at is reducing the sql load of the forum, at the moment the speed for the page generating is pretty damn fast, its the sql calls that slow it down because the db is over 70 megs when zipped alone
Im not trying to post hog or anything here, so sorry about the extra posts.
When I first looked into CMS for my arcade, I was doing the same thing that this site was doing. I had HTML with a CSS for the main site, then a forum with another CSS, and then a blog with ANOTHER CSS. Im not going to claim to know the backend of this site, but chances are you have only one database, and you have it partioned at least 3 times. The partitions alone are enough to help slow down the site. Lets say you have 50 people on the forum. Thats 50 times the CSS bets loaded. Now you have another 60 people on the main site, and if you have CSS on that that...and also if you have word press that will be more templates being loaded. In other words you will be stressing out the database after a while.
CSS was originally made to have an initial load, and then everything else run inside of the template to ease load times. I see you adding more and more partitions to the database and this isnt good.
Me, I would suggest running the ENTIRE site on a single CMS and a single database with no partitions so that, even though it may still lag a bit, it will never lag THIS much. I would suggest JOOMLA which will give you web pages, a blog, community options, a forum, merchant shops and more and it will all be inside the same template WITH a single user interface for membership across the ENTIRE spectrum of blog/community and forum. Then by adding their appache error handler you can make any and all dead pages open into your own specific error page or have them redirected to the main page.
This is just my opinion. :)
worth looking at, wont get any immediate action.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 05:24:18 PMIm not trying to post hog or anything here, so sorry about the extra posts.
When I first looked into CMS for my arcade, I was doing the same thing that this site was doing. I had HTML with a CSS for the main site, then a forum with another CSS, and then a blog with ANOTHER CSS. Im not going to claim to know the backend of this site, but chances are you have only one database, and you have it partioned at least 3 times. The partitions alone are enough to help slow down the site. Lets say you have 50 people on the forum. Thats 50 times the CSS bets loaded. Now you have another 60 people on the main site, and if you have CSS on that that...and also if you have word press that will be more templates being loaded. In other words you will be stressing out the database after a while.
CSS was originally made to have an initial load, and then everything else run inside of the template to ease load times. I see you adding more and more partitions to the database and this isnt good.
Me, I would suggest running the ENTIRE site on a single CMS and a single database with no partitions so that, even though it may still lag a bit, it will never lag THIS much. I would suggest JOOMLA which will give you web pages, a blog, community options, a forum, merchant shops and more and it will all be inside the same template WITH a single user interface for membership across the ENTIRE spectrum of blog/community and forum. Then by adding their appache error handler you can make any and all dead pages open into your own specific error page or have them redirected to the main page.
this sounds like something that would take at least half a year's work, and then another half a year to polish the errors out of? [and yes i know that Joomla is easy-peasy and deploys like a slick motherfucker or whatever, but you also know how things go versus how they are supposed to go :) ]
btw CSS files are generally cached very well by browsers, so they don't contribute to load. (most) spiders don't even fetch them. it's database queries that seem to suck up most of this server's load.
my vision was to have the CMS for the entire site be the WordPress blog (it's pretty good at that and doesnt suffer from feature bloat too much like Joomla or other big frameworks), configured to have (virtual) "pages" at the root and for the subpages as they are currently, the actual blog (virtual) at /blog/ and the SMF forum at the place it is now, in a physical subdirectory at /forum/.
the advantage of this would be that it can be built incrementally on what we have now, step by step, and in the end would result in a solid combination of SMF and WordPress, which are (now) two quite separate parts of the PD.com domain, anyway. the people that come to the front page generally come looking to read the Principia book, while this forum ... well it's hard to define, but let's say they didn't come looking for the Principia :)
i am intrigued by your ideas about optimizing SMF, though. i knew it was possible but i could never figure it out. it's a true resource hog :) you said you have seen the code, is it me, or do you agree it's horrible? :) [not that WP is much better, though so far it seems to be at least marginally so]
oh and finally let me say, i only yet took a very quick glance at your SMF theme, but from first looks, it's absolutely
wonderful thanks a lot for that!
Quotethis sounds like something that would take at least half a year's work, and then another half a year to polish the errors out of? [and yes i know that Joomla is easy-peasy and deploys like a slick motherfucker or whatever, but you also know how things go versus how they are supposed to go
It would only take me less than 24 hours to set everything up that I was describing. I would even go so far as to scrub my test site (the one you see the new template on) clean and install everything there so that the development team could have a blank slate to implement their ideas onto. From what I am seeing the PD site would benefit greatly from one single system like I was explaining because you have a MASSIVE community. The biggest problem with that is inserting the SMF posts into the FIREBOARD posts. I have never done anything like that before. I have bridged SMF to JOOMLA. I have even taken the database of one site and inserted it into another (SMF to SMF). But I have never crossed software like that before. Im sure we will have some issues with that aspect of the assumed project, but I am also sure it will be successful.
Quotebtw CSS files are generally cached very well by browsers, so they don't contribute to load. (most) spiders don't even fetch them. it's database queries that seem to suck up most of this server's load.
This is very true, other than the contributing to the load factor. Database inqueries make up the bulk of these, but remember that EVERYTHING contributes to the bottle neck of the site as a whole. Remember..bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth...
Quotemy vision was to have the CMS for the entire site be the WordPress blog (it's pretty good at that and doesnt suffer from feature bloat too much like Joomla or other big frameworks), configured to have (virtual) "pages" at the root and for the subpages as they are currently, the actual blog (virtual) at /blog/ and the SMF forum at the place it is now, in a physical subdirectory at /forum/.
Your vision (I am assuming you are the head cheese around here) is what is MOST important. Your vision has made this site successful so far so I will never question your visions, nor will it EVER hurt my feelings if you outright refuse anything I suggest. I have primarily come to this community as a custodian of sorts. I see a few things that could be cleaned up here and there and organized better here and there. I could easily set up a test site and try to succesfully bridge SMF and wordpress for you if you wish. Did you know that you can do almost all of the same things that I said that JOOMLA can do with SMF as well? There is a mod called "tiny portal" for SMF that makes your SMF look more like a website/blog with a forum bridged clean. Tinyportal would feature all of the most recent posts on the forum as blog looking posts on the front page, which would help your community navigate the forum better and also encourage more postings to get "front page" status. You also have a blog system in the tinyportal mod as well (they call them "article posts", and the community can "submit" articles to you and you can aprove them or not, archive which ones make front page or archived for later use. This is the system I am using for my site right now... but my site isnt as much for the forum/blog as it is for the arcade and security among other things.
Quotethe advantage of this would be that it can be built incrementally on what we have now, step by step, and in the end would result in a solid combination of SMF and WordPress, which are (now) two quite separate parts of the PD.com domain, anyway. the people that come to the front page generally come looking to read the Principia book, while this forum ... well it's hard to define, but let's say they didn't come looking for the Principia
Easy enough to add pages for the book into the template of SMF. Most people think of SMF as a forum software. I look at it as an entire website. Just add extra PHP pages in the root, put a start link (or hell, you can link every page on the tinyportal front page of the forum) and each page will link in order from there like you have it now.
Quotei am intrigued by your ideas about optimizing SMF, though. i knew it was possible but i could never figure it out. it's a true resource hog you said you have seen the code, is it me, or do you agree it's horrible? [not that WP is much better, though so far it seems to be at least marginally so
Its only that way right out of the box. If you mod it here and there and take away certain things that are unnecessary then it gets faster and better.
Quoteoh and finally let me say, i only yet took a very quick glance at your SMF theme, but from first looks, it's absolutely wonderful thanks a lot for that!
Thankyou. I can change it around anyway you like it, so if you want the forum to look like your new wordpress template, I will be more than happy to change it around and to also help you mod it in the future.
its groovy man.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 07:51:06 PMIt would only take me less than 24 hours to set everything up that I was describing.
sorry but that's bullshit.
there's no way you can figure out what we actually want, port the two books to whatever CMS you have in mind, and the extra pages, links, the blog, the entire forum and all the rest
including debugging (accounts, settings, etc) within 24 hours.
you might be able to do the last bit if you're some kind of android or something.
i work at an IT company, and I assumed you do too, and you should know that just because you know how something is done, and know it can be done quickly, doesn't mean it'll get done in that time :)
let alone, that for you to even attempt doing it in that timeframe, would require you to obtain server access, which, as you will understand, is not going to happen :)
QuoteThis is very true, other than the contributing to the load factor. Database inqueries make up the bulk of these, but remember that EVERYTHING contributes to the bottle neck of the site as a whole. Remember..bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth...
um, bandwidth is not really the bottleneck of this site, as i'm sure you must have noticed while browsing it :? (the server taking way longer to process the request than transmitting the data)
QuoteYour vision (I am assuming you are the head cheese around here)
no i'm not the head cheese. ECH is. Other people are mods and/or help out. I sorta help out with server stuff cause I'm a tech guy.
Quotenor will it EVER hurt my feelings if you outright refuse anything I suggest.
okay, good. because any help you'd like to offer here is most certainly appreciated! however, let's take it a bit easy to begin with :)
QuoteTinyportal would feature all of the most recent posts on the forum as blog looking posts on the front page, which would help your community navigate the forum better and also encourage more postings to get "front page" status. You also have a blog system in the tinyportal mod as well (they call them "article posts", and the community can "submit" articles to you and you can aprove them or not, archive which ones make front page or archived for later use.
as an example, this is one thing where i urge you to lurk a littlebit more, perhaps. we're not just any community. i am, for example, entirely unsure whether the members of this forum would want to compete for "front page" status.
if they want to publicize themselves, they can already do so in a lot of manners. if they want to be on the web, there's several blogs they can publish their writings to, among which the PD blog. but there's also print media, PDF releases, posters, and way, way more. seriously, take a look around.
Maybe you can find a smaller project you'd like to invest your expertise in first? If you'd take a look at the GASM subforum in Operation Mindfuck, there's loads of loose ends on the webhosting front that can be done. Fake news websites, ARG Games, del.icio.us feeds, etc.
it's not so much about the technology, but the creative output in as much different media as possible.though, that's mostly the "Activitist" part of our discordian community. as always, there's more :)
QuoteEasy enough to add pages for the book into the template of SMF. Most people think of SMF as a forum software. I look at it as an entire website. Just add extra PHP pages in the root, put a start link (or hell, you can link every page on the tinyportal front page of the forum) and each page will link in order from there like you have it now.
sorry, but (IMO) no way :) SMF is fine (but not perfect) solid forum software, but as i said, have you looked at the code??
QuoteIts only that way right out of the box. If you mod it here and there and take away certain things that are unnecessary then it gets faster and better.
if you have suggestions for mods that would make our particular forum faster, we'd be happy to hear about it!
QuoteThankyou. I can change it around anyway you like it, so if you want the forum to look like your new wordpress template, I will be more than happy to change it around and to also help you mod it in the future.
well, it's not exactly a wordpress template yet :) it's just a piece of HTML+CSS. but if you want to make yourself useful right away, a piece of work I haven't been able to get around to, would be to make that HTML+CSS into a wordpress theme.
Just, not any theme. See, there's already the Sandbox theme for WP (at http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/ ), which is a very nice, clean semantic HTML theme for wordpress with loads of CSS classes and hooks to customize its looks in any way. If you could create a CSS for sandbox to look like my design, that'd be
awesome and save me a lot of work, without having to give you all kinds of server access or to write actual code and stuff. I did a very similar thing for http://radiofreediscordia.org/ which is also a Wordpress site, with the sandbox theme, and a custom CSS.
Quotesorry but that's bullshit. there's no way you can figure out what we actually want, port the two books to whatever CMS you have in mind, and the extra pages, links, the blog, the entire forum and all the rest including debugging (accounts, settings, etc) within 24 hours.you might be able to do the last bit if you're some kind of android or something. i work at an IT company, and I assumed you do too, and you should know that just because you know how something is done, and know it can be done quickly, doesn't mean it'll get done in that time let alone, that for you to even attempt doing it in that timeframe, would require you to obtain server access, which, as you will understand, is not going to happen
I pride myself on being a bullshitter from time to time, but right now isnt one of them. Actually I was only talking about the bare basic CMS installations, no themes, no content, just the software and mods. That would take me about 24 hours. You will also see where I offered a blank slate to do this work, where I would allow your team full access to MY database so that you can insert content and debug as you see fit. I do not want your access codes, nor do I even want any kind of admin status or mod status on THIS forum. I do not work for an IT company. I work on many things from high voltage to programmable logic controls for robots. I do work as a web developer on the side. I would never dream of having the entire site upgraded in 24 hours (maybe if I smoked crack and went without food and sleep :-)..maybe.)
Quoteokay, good. because any help you'd like to offer here is most certainly appreciated! however, let's take it a bit easy to begin with
Hey, no problem. I understand.. you dont know me from jack. No way did I jump up and say "Come on, what are you waiting for..lets do it do it do it" Like some Ted Haggard meth head being waited on by a line of gay masseuses. Nay I say. I will willingly help out with any project asked of me within my skill level, and I will be open and honest if I have never done such a thing before.
Quoteif you have suggestions for mods that would make our particular forum faster, we'd be happy to hear about it!
I gave afew suggestions with links to the mods a few posts ago. I will find some more for you soon as they come to me. You can implement the ones you see fit.
QuoteIf you could create a CSS for sandbox to look like my design, that'd be awesome and save me a lot of work, without having to give you all kinds of server access or to write actual code and stuff. I did a very similar thing for http://radiofreediscordia.org/ which is also a Wordpress site, with the sandbox theme, and a custom CSS.
Now thats more like it. I will be installing wordpress on my work site and get right to it. Im unfamilliar with this "sandbox", so it will take me a little while to study it up before I start producing. We obviously need to build some trust here, but please remember that I did not come to the table demanding things, only offering help.
Sorry to be a nag about this, but why not first of all just make the new index the site index, and take care of the details when the time/energy is available? Trip, the beta frontpage you made is just great, already lightyears ahead of the one pd.com has now... It would be a start.
(But then, I'm a perfectionist, I can sympathize if you feel strongly against doing things like that...)
Do you want this to be WordPress 2.6.5?
the theme works on either, but for security reasons we try to keep up with the latest versions.
Wonderful, I am finished installing wordpress here:
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
and am currently installing sandbox.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 10:19:57 PM
I work on many things from high voltage to programmable logic controls for robots. I do work as a web developer on the side.
Cool, I did plc's last year, no high voltage stuff just basic electronics.
I do it all on the heavy end Faust, crack open the manhole and work on the entire powergrid, to PLC's. I've installed clean rooms with the pull out sub floors and installed the computer equipment/cards/sensors on all the equipment. Pollish fiber optics and test them and cat 5 computer network connections. I dont get to mess with installing the programs but I work close with the IT guy to ensure that everything else down the line is giving the correct signal.
I do alot of powerhouses, millitary and heavy industry. Last year I was putting air scrubbers onto a smoke stack of a coal powered power plant. That was fun :)
I mess around with software for fun.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
I do it all on the heavy end Faust, crack open the manhole and work on the entire powergrid, to PLC's. I've installed clean rooms with the pull out sub floors and installed the computer equipment/cards/sensors on all the equipment. Pollish fiber optics and test them and cat 5 computer network connections. I dont get to mess with installing the programs but I work close with the IT guy to ensure that everything else down the line is giving the correct signal.
I do alot of powerhouses, millitary and heavy industry. Last year I was putting air scrubbers onto a smoke stack of a coal powered power plant. That was fun :)
I mess around with software for fun.
so instrumentation in general. I have a choice next semester of specialising in physics or instrumentation engineering. Still not sure which to choose yet.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 08, 2008, 11:12:51 PM
Wonderful, I am finished installing wordpress here:
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
and am currently installing sandbox.
cool, but I don't see the sandbox theme there yet, but the default WordPress theme?
and, judging from the "worklog" there, you seem to be editing one of the CSS files that came with SandBox? Those contain a heap load of style definitions you're not going to need at all. It's probably easier, and will yield a much cleaner and shorter CSS file if you'd start with an empty one, or
* {margin: 0; padding: 0; } (to reset all margins and paddings and be able to really start from scratch).
alternatively, you can use the one I made for radiofreediscordia as a starting point: http://radiofreediscordia.org/wp-content/themes/sandbox/style.css
Quotecool, but I don't see the sandbox theme there yet, but the default WordPress theme?
and, judging from the "worklog" there, you seem to be editing one of the CSS files that came with SandBox? Those contain a heap load of style definitions you're not going to need at all. It's probably easier, and will yield a much cleaner and shorter CSS file if you'd start with an empty one, or * {margin: 0; padding: 0; } (to reset all margins and paddings and be able to really start from scratch).
alternatively, you can use the one I made for radiofreediscordia as a starting point: http://radiofreediscordia.org/wp-content/themes/sandbox/style.css
Thats the reason I switch back to the original template for now. Sandbox is still new to me and I was following the instructions it gave me. It gives column examples and then you can do all of the work on the original css. Im still getting used to the sandbox system, but it looks pretty simple. I will now put up the sandbox theme and leave it there. I was pretty much playing around with it last night just to get accustomed to word press. Today I will be doing the good work.
This will be the back end information that appears near the template example thumbnail. What would you like it to say. I already titled it "Principia Discordia", but you can change around the rest of the stuff if you want:
/*
THEME NAME: Principia Discordia
THEME URI: http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/
DESCRIPTION: Rich with powerful and dynamic semantic class selectors, Sandbox is a canvas for CSS artists
VERSION: 1.6
AUTHOR: <a href="http://andy.wordpress.com/">Andy Skelton</a> & <a href="http://www.plaintxt.org/">Scott Allan Wallick</a>
AUTHOR URI:
TAGS: sandbox, microformats, hcard, hatom, xoxo, widgets, blank slate, starter theme, minimalist, developer
*/
Work log
successfully spliced the best code from the blog with the help of radio free discordia site (good, I was having problems with the header) Also made the header background transparent so you can see the clouds through it. This code has a black text area on black text and I am still in the middle of working on it, but this will archive the code for me incase of major screwups because worklogging it on word press sucks (FUCK!! I hate Word Press).
*NOTE*
all of the images are not root images. I gave them their original url just so I dont have to fuck around with uploading it to the work slate. When the final code is accomplished you will have to "shorten" the image url's to fit properly with the root folder.
/*
THEME NAME: Principia Discordia
THEME URI: http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/
DESCRIPTION: Rich with powerful and dynamic semantic class selectors, Sandbox is a canvas for CSS artists
VERSION: 1.6
AUTHOR: <a href="http://andy.wordpress.com/">Andy Skelton</a> & <a href="http://www.plaintxt.org/">Scott Allan Wallick</a>
AUTHOR URI:
TAGS: sandbox, microformats, hcard, hatom, xoxo, widgets, blank slate, starter theme, minimalist, developer
*/
/* modified by 000 and Reverend Jeremiah */
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; text-indent: 0; }
/* remove crud */
.entry-meta,
#access .skip-link,
#linkcat-3,
#blog-description { display: none; }
/* dithered background gradient */
body {
BACKGROUND: url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/sacred chao head clouds.jpg) #000 no-repeat left top;
color: #000;
}
/* centered 800px wide wrapper */
#wrapper {
width: 800px;
margin: 0 auto 0 auto;
position: relative;
}
/* random logo + tagline */
h1#blog-title {
background: transparent url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/principiadiscordia header 2.png) top center no-repeat;
width: 800px;
height: 299px;
}
h1#blog-title a {
display: block;
width: 960px;
height: 265px;
text-indent: -5000px;
}
/* menu bar */
#menu {
background: #FFF;
height: 46px;
margin-top: -15px;
width: 800px;
}
#menu li {
display: inline;
padding-left: 24px;
}
#menu a {
color: black;
font: bold 14px/44px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
text-decoration: none;
}
#menu a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* right column body */
#container {
background: #FFF;
width: 727px;
margin: 10px 0 0 230px;
}
#content {
background: url(img/body-top.gif) -1px -2px no-repeat;
width: 631px;
padding: 16px 48px 96px 48px;
}
h2.entry-title{
color: #000;
font: bold 14px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
margin-top: 16px;
text-align: right;
}
h2.entry-title a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; }
h2.entry-title a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
.entry-date {
text-align: right;
color: #888;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
.entry-date abbr { border: none; }
.entry-content p {
color: #444;
font: normal 11px/16px Arial, sans-serif;
word-spacing: 1px;
margin: 8px 16px 8px 8px;
}
.entry-content p:first-line { color: #000; }
#footer {
margin: -72px 0 0 221px;
background: url(img/body-bottom.gif) 0 0 no-repeat;
/*opacity: 0.75;*/
width: 688px;
height: 110px;
text-align: right;
color: #888;
padding: 20px 65px 0 0;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#footer a { color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; }
#footer a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* sidebar */
#secondary {
position: absolute;
top: 307px;
left: 4px;
background: url(img/menu-top.gif) top left no-repeat;
width: 208px;
padding: 8px 8px 8px 8px
}
#secondary li {
font: normal 12px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
color: white;
list-style: none;
margin-bottom: 16px;
}
#streams li { font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; }
#secondary h3 {
width: 208px;
text-align: center;
height: 60px;
background: url(img/menu-heading.gif) 3px 17px no-repeat;
color: #000;
font: bold 24px/60px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#secondary #linkcat-4 h3 { background-position: 3px -138px; }
#secondary #now-playing h3 { background-position: 3px -321px; }
#secondary li a {
color: white;
text-decoration: none;
padding-left: 16px;
}
#secondary li a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
#secondary p {
text-align: center;
padding: 0 16px;
}
Rev. Jeremiah, I've been reading your site, and I would LOVE for someone to send some of your material to Jack Chick. I think he'd get a "kick" out of it.
There you go..almost done except for the footer and a random menu list at the bottom
Open both of these links and switch back and forth between them:
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/new_index.html
Here is the code so far..can anyone give me a hand with that menu list at the bottom?
/*
THEME NAME: Principia Discordia
THEME URI: http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/
DESCRIPTION: Rich with powerful and dynamic semantic class selectors, Sandbox is a canvas for CSS artists
VERSION: 1.6
AUTHOR: <a href="http://andy.wordpress.com/">Andy Skelton</a> & <a href="http://www.plaintxt.org/">Scott Allan Wallick</a>
AUTHOR URI:
TAGS: sandbox, microformats, hcard, hatom, xoxo, widgets, blank slate, starter theme, minimalist, developer
*/
/* modified by 000 and Reverend Jeremiah */
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; text-indent: 0; }
/* remove crud */
.entry-meta,
#access .skip-link,
#linkcat-3,
#blog-description { display: none; }
/* Sacred Chao background image and color */
body {
BACKGROUND: url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/sacred chao head clouds.jpg) #000 no-repeat left top;
color: #000;
}
/* centered 800px wide wrapper */
#wrapper {
width: 800px;
margin: 0 auto 0 auto;
position: relative;
}
/* random logo + tagline = transparent header */
h1#blog-title {
background: transparent url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/principiadiscordia header 2.png) top center no-repeat;
width: 800px;
height: 299px;
}
h1#blog-title a {
display: block;
width: 800px;
height: 299px;
text-indent: -5000px;
}
/* menu bar - just under header img */
#menu {
background: #FFF;
height: 26px;
margin-top: 0px;
width: 800px;
}
#menu li {
display: inline;
padding-left: 24px;
}
#menu a {
color: black;
font: bold 14px/24px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
text-decoration: none;
}
#menu a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* right column body - Main content and container width */
#container {
background: #FFF;
width: 634px;
margin: 0px 0 0 0px;
}
#content {
width: 618px;
padding: 8px 8px 8px 8px;
}
h2.entry-title{
color: #000;
font: bold 14px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
margin-top: 16px;
text-align: right;
}
h2.entry-title a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; }
h2.entry-title a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
.entry-date {
text-align: right;
color: #888;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
.entry-date abbr { border: none; }
.entry-content p {
color: #444;
font: normal 11px/16px Arial, sans-serif;
word-spacing: 1px;
margin: 8px 16px 8px 8px;
}
.entry-content p:first-line { color: #000; }
#footer {
background: #FFF;
display: inline;
margin: -72px 0 0 221px;
/*opacity: 0.75;*/
width: 688px;
height: 110px;
text-align: center;
color: #888;
padding: 20px 65px 0 0;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#footer a { color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; }
#footer a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* sidebar */
#secondary {
position: absolute;
top: 325px;
left: 634px;
background: #FFF;
width: 150px;
padding: 8px 8px 8px 8px
}
#secondary li {
font: normal 12px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
color: black;
list-style: none;
margin-bottom: 16px;
}
#streams li { font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; }
#secondary h3 {
width: 150px;
text-align: center;
height: 60px;
color: #000;
font: bold 24px/60px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#secondary #linkcat-4 h3 { background-position: 3px -138px; }
#secondary #now-playing h3 { background-position: 3px -321px; }
#secondary li a {
color: black;
text-decoration: none;
padding-left: 16px;
}
#secondary li a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
#secondary p {
text-align: center;
padding: 0 16px;
}
Quote from: Cramulus on December 09, 2008, 03:37:03 PM
Rev. Jeremiah, I've been reading your site, and I would LOVE for someone to send some of your material to Jack Chick. I think he'd get a "kick" out of it.
I did that a few years ago, he marked me as spam and godaddy went after my ass. He didnt even send me an email, he just made an official complaint with my hosting to get me shut down.... and they did. I used to own www.reverendjeremiah.com... but thanks to chick I no longer have it. So I no longer do business with godaddy.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 09, 2008, 08:32:34 PM
There you go..almost done except for the footer and a random menu list at the bottom
Open both of these links and switch back and forth between them:
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/new_index.html
um, the first (your) link still shows a white page marked up in black Courier? am I not seeing the same theme as you, here?
will help you with the CSS as soon as I can see it, and have the time :)
Strange, I wonder why you see the white sandbox blank? Perhaps you should clear your browser history and restart your browser.. I have no explanation other than that. Let me send you a screen shot.
(http://www.cosmicforums.com/screenshot.png)
I will be working on the footer and have it done soon. I was kind of hoping someone could pop the small amount of code I need to finish and have it done that much faster, but It should be done tommorrow, maybe tonight.
I know what the problem is, there is no css code for "pages" "archives" and "categories", and that is why the are just plain text lined up at the bottom. What do you want to do with these? I can :blank them for you.
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 09, 2008, 11:48:25 PM
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 09, 2008, 08:32:34 PM
There you go..almost done except for the footer and a random menu list at the bottom
Open both of these links and switch back and forth between them:
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/new_index.html
um, the first (your) link still shows a white page marked up in black Courier? am I not seeing the same theme as you, here?
will help you with the CSS as soon as I can see it, and have the time :)
I get the same thing.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 10, 2008, 04:31:20 AM
I know what the problem is, there is no css code for "pages" "archives" and "categories", and that is why the are just plain text lined up at the bottom. What do you want to do with these? I can :blank them for you.
were all getting a white page.
The browser is simply not receiving the css file. it could be something small like the name doesn't match its call in the actual blog.
Okay, well maybe me renaming the CSS "principiadiscordia" did it. So I put the original head tag back onto the top of the CSS, installed it. Then I opened my other test computer to ensure that I was pulling up the same sheet on a different computer and sure enough, the template loaded. Maybe I fixed it. Give it a try now.
And I must apologize, Im not very fond of wordpress and just jumped in with both feet into this sandbox theme system.
Give it another try.
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/
And here is the most latest code. Anyone who understands CSS can see that it should work and that I have been making great strides for it to be close to fruition:
/*
THEME NAME: Sandbox
THEME URI: http://www.plaintxt.org/themes/sandbox/
DESCRIPTION: Rich with powerful and dynamic semantic class selectors, Sandbox is a canvas for CSS artists
VERSION: 1.6
AUTHOR: <a href="http://andy.wordpress.com/">Andy Skelton</a> & <a href="http://www.plaintxt.org/">Scott Allan Wallick</a>
AUTHOR URI:
TAGS: sandbox, microformats, hcard, hatom, xoxo, widgets, blank slate, starter theme, minimalist, developer
*/
/* modified by 000 and Reverend Jeremiah */
* { margin: 0; padding: 0; text-indent: 0; }
/* remove crud */
.entry-meta,
#access .skip-link,
#linkcat-3,
#blog-description { display: none; }
/* Sacred Chao background image and color */
body {
BACKGROUND: url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/sacred chao head clouds.jpg) #000 no-repeat left top;
color: #000;
}
/* centered 800px wide wrapper */
#wrapper {
width: 800px;
margin: 0 auto 0 auto;
position: relative;
}
/* random logo + tagline = transparent header */
h1#blog-title {
background: transparent url(http://www.principiadiscordia.com/images/principiadiscordia header 2.png) top center no-repeat;
width: 800px;
height: 299px;
}
h1#blog-title a {
display: block;
width: 800px;
height: 299px;
text-indent: -5000px;
}
/* menu bar - just under header img */
#menu {
background: #FFF;
height: 26px;
margin-top: 0px;
width: 800px;
}
#menu li {
display: inline;
padding-left: 24px;
}
#menu a {
color: black;
font: bold 14px/24px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
text-decoration: none;
}
#menu a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* right column body - Main content and container width */
#container {
background: #FFF;
width: 634px;
height: 100%
margin: 0px 0 0 0px;
}
#content {
width: 618px;
padding: 8px 8px 8px 8px;
}
h2.entry-title{
color: #000;
font: bold 14px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
margin-top: 16px;
text-align: right;
}
h2.entry-title a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; }
h2.entry-title a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
.entry-date {
text-align: right;
color: #888;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
.entry-date abbr { border: none; }
.entry-content p {
color: #000;
font: normal 11px/16px Arial, sans-serif;
word-spacing: 1px;
margin: 8px 8px 8px 8px;
}
.entry-content p:first-line { color: #000; }
#footer {
background: #FFF;
display: inline;
margin: -72px 0 0 221px;
width: 688px;
height: 110px;
text-align: center;
color: #888;
padding: px 65px 0 0;
font: normal 10px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#footer a { color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; }
#footer a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
/* sidebar */
#secondary {
position: absolute;
top: 325px;
left: 634px;
background: #FFF;
width: 150px;
padding: 8px 8px 8px 8px
}
#secondary li {
font: normal 12px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
color: black;
list-style: none;
margin-bottom: 16px;
}
#secondary h3 {
width: 150px;
text-align: center;
height: 60px;
color: #000;
font: bold 24px/60px 'Courier New', 'Courier', monospace;
}
#secondary li a {
color: black;
text-decoration: none;
padding-left: 16px;
}
#secondary li a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
#secondary p {
text-align: center;
padding: 0 16px;
}
i'm simply not getting the css file
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nopell6.png
Okay, I opened up another computer and I see what you are seeing... just plain text. But when I open it up on my work computer, I see that it IS online and showing to me all of the pictures.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 10, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
Okay, I opened up another computer and I see what you are seeing... just plain text. But when I open it up on my work computer, I see that it IS online and showing to me all of the pictures.
Well, you must be very special.
Now see if you can get it to show the pictures to everyone else.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 10, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
Okay, I opened up another computer and I see what you are seeing... just plain text. But when I open it up on my work computer, I see that it IS online and showing to me all of the pictures.
Ah heh. the location wordpress is calling the location of the css file from wouldn't happen to be your home machine would it, because that would mean You could access it on that machine, but not on any other.
Holy Crap Reverend, Your Alive!!!! :eek: I haven't seen you in months!
Quote from: Dr Goofy on December 10, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
Holy Crap Reverend, Your Alive!!!! :eek: I haven't seen you in months!
shh, don't let him see what happened to TCOG
Quote from: Dr Goofy on December 10, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
Holy Crap Reverend, Your Alive!!!! :eek: I haven't seen you in months!
Yeah, Im back. I had to take a LONG trip for work and net access was difficult and expensive for me to get at the time.
as far as the CSS, I have done the same method of editing the sheet on my arcade and I have seen no problems of white screening, so it isnt the editing method. Apparently there is some kind of administration problem with word press or perhaps I have left out a code on the CSS. Honestly, I have never seen anything like this before. It works for me on one computer, but every other computer cant see it.
Well it is good to see you back even if it is a different place!
I have had similar problems to that but mine was mostly the css update didn't take on the tomcat server.
Quote from: Dr Goofy on December 10, 2008, 08:22:51 PM
Well it is good to see you back even if it is a different place!
I have had similar problems to that but mine was mostly the css update didn't take on the tomcat server.
Well, I wanted to help TCOG with their wonderful site...they wanted to make me a reverend but I was more interested in helping the look of the site (thats why my signature bar says "custodian"). I love the absurdist/atheist/nutty sites out there and they inspire me to get creative. I have done a shitload work for this site so far, but for some reason only I can see it :argh!: and it is REALLY pissing me off.
I have got some SWEET plans for a custom template for THIS forum, but I really want to get this sandbox template done.. and it is at 90% right now.
Shout out to 000do you have a test site with Word Press / sandbox on it? I can zip up the style sheet and post it for you. I honestly cannot understand why I am the only one who can see this style when I KNOW I am uploading it to the test site and it is public code.
Yea that and Matt is never around to update the main site and I do not think Loki has permissions.You could always stop by we are in need of a rebuild over there.
Joined your site as well but have not popped in.
I have seen this error before but for the life of me can not remember the fix!
Quote from: Dr Goofy on December 11, 2008, 03:59:18 AM
Yea that and Matt is never around to update the main site and I do not think Loki has permissions.You could always stop by we are in need of a rebuild over there.
Joined your site as well but have not popped in.
I have seen this error before but for the life of me can not remember the fix!
I was willing to help them update the entire forum. Im damn good at forum software, especially SMF... I would love to see TCOG look a bit "cleaner" if you know what I mean. The original TCOG images were a bit fuzzy and I cleaned them up, and I also know that his forums software has revolving mods that he can get those banners revolving. A revolving banner makes a forum MUCH more interesting.
My site is based on a forum but I didnt choose the software for the forum. Yeah, its nice, but I do a shit load of coding and flash work and I offer shitloads of downloads on my site. So I need the forum mostly for easy made pages and support.
I have a revolving header on my arcade (currently under construction as of 12-10-08) with 44 (YES, I SAID FORTY FOUR!!!!) revolving banners with different quotes under them.
Here is a link to a post where I organize my slogans, and I am always open to new slogans as long as they are short and sweet.
http://jesuschristarcade.com/index.php?topic=94.0
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 11, 2008, 04:25:03 AM
http://jesuschristarcade.com/index.php?topic=94.0
Quote"Being a Hindu deity means having hundreds of arms while refusing to help anyone."
:lulz:
Quote"Being a Hindu deity means having hundreds of arms while refusing to help anyone."
LOL, thank you, that is one of my original quotes. More to come soon... :D
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 11, 2008, 03:45:33 AM
Shout out to 000
do you have a test site with Word Press / sandbox on it? I can zip up the style sheet and post it for you. I honestly cannot understand why I am the only one who can see this style when I KNOW I am uploading it to the test site and it is public code.
post the final version in this thread and i will try it out.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 11, 2008, 03:45:33 AMShout out to 000
do you have a test site with Word Press / sandbox on it? I can zip up the style sheet and post it for you. I honestly cannot understand why I am the only one who can see this style when I KNOW I am uploading it to the test site and it is public code.
yeah i do.
is this the CSS that you made?
http://principiadiscordia.cosmicforums.com/wp-content/themes/sandbox/style.css
because it does load (it's linked in the page's HTML's HEAD section, after all--did you test that?), but it's full of CSS syntax errors and declaration errors. my browser (Opera) and Firefox both choke on the first "background" declaration, which has the elements in the wrong order. tried fixing that, but there were more errors after that (that look like typos?). what browser did you use to test it? Internet Explorer can be rather .. forgiving on malformed code.
Yes, that is the main style sheet and yes I used IE. The background images I just directly linked and planned on rooting them eventually. Im no syntax purist like yourself. I am more than likely wrong on something as I never took a class on CSS. I can see where sandbox can be easier to use, but frankly I dont care much for it.
I hope what I did helps you out. So instead of you having to build the entire thing you can just step in and correct my syntax, add a few things and be done with it that much faster. :) ... if not, then oh well.. at least I tried.
Once you get the word press up and running (no rush, of course.. I will be working at your pace or less :D) Ill be more than happy to help you put all of the pages of the book together. You just start one page, that way you show me EXACTLY how you want the code to look, then I just build all of the pages for you and zip them up and hand them back over to you. That way you can spend your time setting up and transferring your blog material.
and once all of that is done I will make a new theme for this forum to resemble (not 100% of course) the theme of the wordpress.
I'll have a look at the theme on page one tonight and test it. Please dont be disappointed if it kicks up errors, a lot of themes we have tried here do that.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 11, 2008, 04:38:04 PMYes, that is the main style sheet and yes I used IE. The background images I just directly linked and planned on rooting them eventually. Im no syntax purist like yourself. I am more than likely wrong on something as I never took a class on CSS. I can see where sandbox can be easier to use, but frankly I dont care much for it.
well, I admit that I can be somewhat of a purist / perfectionist at times.
but in this case, it's not so much me, as the browser software our visitors are using, that get "hung up about this syntax thingy"--that's why Nigel, Faust and me couldn't see anything. Not everybody uses IE, see :)
QuoteI hope what I did helps you out. So instead of you having to build the entire thing you can just step in and correct my syntax, add a few things and be done with it that much faster. :) ... if not, then oh well.. at least I tried.
Yeah, I'll see which bits I can use, thanks!
QuoteOnce you get the word press up and running (no rush, of course.. I will be working at your pace or less :D) Ill be more than happy to help you put all of the pages of the book together. You just start one page, that way you show me EXACTLY how you want the code to look, then I just build all of the pages for you and zip them up and hand them back over to you. That way you can spend your time setting up and transferring your blog material.
awesome, thanks for the offer!
reminds me I
still have my hardcopy of the PD lent out to some guy that I hardly ever see (nor really care about enough to make an appointment with to meet up... )
posting from discordian theme
Wonderful, just let me know when you are ready and I will happily help you. Doing all of the pages of both books will be a good weeks worth of work - if not more.
Right now I will be working on a new SMF template for this forum (because we obviously can no longer use the one I made a few days ago because it will clash with the new look.) that will closely resemble the style sheet that i was messing around with for the last couple of days.
Now, I am obviously NOT going to make the main wrapper of the forum to be 800px. Thats just WAY to small. Im thinking that keeping the template width the same as it is now would probably be best (besides, I like big forum templates... anything less feels constricted). I should be done with the forum template..oh..Im going to take my time a bit so give me about a week.
What would really help is if you could give me a list of all of the packages/mods you have on this SMF forum so I can ensure that nothing changes when the new template is installed.
ok i only clicked three links and i got 6 errors:
in Themes.template.php
Theres an Undefined index: use_tp
and another in the same file: Undefined index: width
These will need to be corrected before i can allow the theme for general use. sorry mate
the only modification that i can think of that we use is a classified himeobs project. It shouldn't effect any of the themes.
both the them you have made and the future one would be cool, I am thinking of making .org a place to put the old site, so having the two would still be relevant.
"ok i only clicked three links and i got 6 errors:"
Can you give me the list?
"Theres an Undefined index: use_tp"
Did you activate the tiny portal access in the theme without tinyportal loaded onto the forum? This is accessable in the current themes features.
"and another in the same file: Undefined index: width"
Did you even go into the back end of this template to set the width? This is also accessable in the current themes features. Or did you just upload it, not adjust anything, then condemn it?
This isnt your normal theme, it has adjustable options for width/tiny portal/other mods and many style sheets for text size. Besides, didnt I just post saying that theme is now (obviously) outdated and will clash with the new style sheets we have been working on?
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 12, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
"ok i only clicked three links and i got 6 errors:"
Can you give me the list?
"Theres an Undefined index: use_tp"
Did you activate the tiny portal access in the theme without tinyportal loaded onto the forum? This is accessable in the current themes features.
the same two errors for each page.
I didn't adjust any of the back end code, so TP must be on by default for it.
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 12, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
"and another in the same file: Undefined index: width"
Did you even go into the back end of this template to set the width? This is also accessable in the current themes features. Or did you just upload it, not adjust anything, then condemn it?
This isnt your normal theme, it has adjustable options for width/tiny portal/other mods and many style sheets for text size. Besides, didnt I just post saying that theme is now (obviously) outdated and will clash with the new style sheets we have been working on?
No I didn't. If i had to turn on or specify a width from it from default you could have said so.
I'm not condemning it, i just don't have time to go editing themes in the middle of my final year exams. if it works i will use it.
it will clash with the new frontpage for .com when that comes into play, however the old front page will then become the frontpage of .org so it wont clash, besides the themes are for people to use. These were always going to be optional for each and every user on the site.
SMF default will remain and if people want to use your theme, then they may switch to it.
Besides, I will be more than happy to fix any problems with theme code. The one I sent the first time has many options you can add to it in the back end.. you mod it up, activate whatever needs to be activated, then when all is said and done you check the markup.
But, as I said before, I will be using a different template next time.. one that doesnt have the extra bells and whistles the last one I made does, but is more visually stimulating for the .com
Quote from: Reverend Jeremiah on December 11, 2008, 06:30:34 AM
Quote"Being a Hindu deity means having hundreds of arms while refusing to help anyone."
LOL, thank you, that is one of my original quotes. More to come soon... :D
Can I offer a slight alteration on the meme?
"Being a Hindu deity means having hundreds of arms while refusing to give anyone a hand."