I am working on something discussing the Law of Fives and would like to include some intricate and ridiculous examples of the Law at work mathematically, except that I am to math what George W. Bush is to the English language...
Would anyone be willing to help me out with some mindbending examples of the Law of Fives?
Would Zeno's Paradoxes work?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradox
They just might, thanks Cain... I will check the whole page when I get home tonight.
Cool. They're not hard mathematical, but you can see how they rely on a certain mathematical-esque understanding of the world to work. For example, the tortoise and the arrow paradox.
Well, the thing is the Law recognizes the creativity of the observer, and Math (obstensively) doesn't. So, are you looking for formulas or equations that somehow act freaky, or are you trying to do more complicated versions of "2+3=5"?
The latter. Specifically finding ways to find five in things where it 'shouldn't' be present. I suppose there are some in Illuminatus now that I think of it.
Ah, like finding an important date and "finding" the 5's?
Lessee. Obama inaguration: 1/20/2009 -> 1+20+2009 = 2030 -> 2+0+3+0 = 5.
But you probably want more complexity, yeah?
No, that's probably good. If something was ridiculously complicated, all the better, but that works for simplicity. People understand simplicity.
Law of Fives Kabalistic Numeral Madgiiiqckue:
http://www.masoncode.com/Tamburlaine.htm
QuoteOne of the most striking differences between the Renaissance worldview and that of the present day lies in a shift from a richly subjective to a purely objective conceptualisation of numbers and mathematics. In the Renaissance numbers were held in a regard so high they were believed to provide the secret key to the deepest mysteries of God and man. Pico della Mirandola spoke for his age when he wrote (in John Dee's inimitable translation):
"By Numbers, a way is had, to the searchyng out, and
understandyng of every thyng, hable to be knowen."
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The most basic manifestation of Scientia Cabalae pertains to the naming of names. In the Hebrew of the Pentateuch the various names of God and those of Adam and Eve were no accident; nor, indeed, was that of Jesus Christ in the Greek of the New Testament. The naming of these figures was entirely underlain by numerical considerations. In Hebrew 'IHVH' (Jahweh) has a gematria value of 26 (see Hebrew Gematria): this relates him to the first man, created in his likeness, by the proportion of the width to the height of the sacred vesica piscis (a ratio of the square root of three), because 'ADM' (Adam) has a value of 45. The difference between these two is 19 - which is the value of 'ChVH' (Eve). Dividing 45 by 19 makes 2.368 - and 2368 is the value by Greek gematria of Ιησοθς Χριστος (Jesus Christ) (see Greek Gematria). Adding 45 to 19 makes 64: and 64 times 37 is 2368 (37 being the numerical key to both New and Old Testaments).
Among the utilities enfolded within the Law of Fives includes a shortcut to a mental state usually attained by long term Cabalistic Practice (and one that Madonna may be learning RIGHT NOW... ). This utility comes as a specific way of viewing the world and the events of the world that you find yourself participating in. This 'way of attention' mean freeing up the hard association between Number and Quantity that exists at an ingrained level in the human mind. Because ALL THINGS are DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY APPROPRIATE to FIVE, we can use direct math to manipulate the numbers and events that we have seen and are now in our minds, or we can abstract a bit and jump around indirectly with our numerology.
In this fashion we can say that HOT DOG is directly related to five because we use 5 letters (repeating one) in order to form it. We can appreciate that OBAMA has five letters (and the 2 consonants and 3 vowels should give you Discordians a shiver and a giggle). More indirectly we can say that Barack Hussein Obama II (20 letters) is our 44th President here in 2009. Now 44 times 20 equals 880, and 2009-880=1129. 1129 seems an interesting number because A) 9-2-1-1 = 5 (!!!!!), and B) On November 29th, 1947, the U.N. General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, and on November 29th, 2001 George Harrison of the Beatles died at age 58. Of course, 1947-58=1889, and in the Year of 1889 in Paris, the
Second International, a federation of socialist organizations, called for demonstrations of labor solidarity on May 1, 1890, and May Day(also known as Beltane or Walpurgisnacht, and sacred to the Illuminati for falling on the 1st day of the
5th month) has been observed one way or another ever since.
Now, what I have just done in the paragraph above is to Actively Apply the Law of 5's to a set of information. In this fashion we set our frantic brain to comparing and contrasting various bits of data that otherwise would never have met each other within the dark recesses of our minds. Searching for and finding a 5 gives our brain a dose of reward chemicals (much like when you feel good about remembering the lyrics to a song that just started on the radio). In this heightened state of awareness with random bits of data slamming into each other and producing fives, the mind also produces genuinely new connections and thoughts along with the FIVES floating to the top. Robert Anton Wilson discovered this aspect of the Law of 5's and created further techniques that would exercise this mental function. He used the nonsense word PO as an operator, and would form narratives in his head such as "Illuminati PO Mickey Mouse", or "Rabbits PO UFOs" in order to generate ideas to write about.
Also found within the Law of 5's is a way of mentally folding every event that you experience back into a non-dualistic whole. We can listen to the mystics speak and write about how "ALL IS ONE" and argue about what that means, but without a non-verbal experience similar to theirs we have no hope of comprehending what they mean by "ALL IS ONE". By diligently practicing the Law of 5's techniques for a while, one begins to experience moments where the only meaning that the mind can find in the universe is FIVE. When one directly experiences each individual aspect of reality as well as all of reality as FIVE, then one has attained the mental state known as NIRVANA, if only briefly. You will probably find yourself laughing or giggling uncontrollably when this occurs. This is a good sign, as laughter is what the brain uses to integrate new information when the abstract/rational processes have failed.
All is ONE and that One is FIVE (and they're listed on pg00039, amongst other places).
Hail Eris!
-Telarus, KSC
Yeah, what he said.
Shit, thanks Telarus!
Telarus, sometimes you really scare me. Didn't that hurt your brain?
15 is the exception to the Law of Fives (http://pages.videotron.com/drroots/OL6.htm)
That is exceptionally retarded.
Quote from: YattoDobbs on January 23, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
15 is the exception to the Law of Fives (http://pages.videotron.com/drroots/OL6.htm)
There is no exception to the law of fives...
15=1x5=5
Also, Telarus, that was a beautiful summation.
Quote from: YattoDobbs on January 23, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
15 is the exception to the Law of Fives (http://pages.videotron.com/drroots/OL6.htm)
That helped me not at all. Thanks for the waste of my time.
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 23, 2009, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: YattoDobbs on January 23, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
15 is the exception to the Law of Fives (http://pages.videotron.com/drroots/OL6.htm)
There is no exception to the law of fives...
15=1x5=5
Also, Telarus, that was a beautiful summation.
Thanks everybody. Also, 15 is the first five after ten.
It's Five after TEN? I'm late, I'm late... *exits stage left*
Quote from: Reverend Smeg the Kilted on January 10, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
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Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2009, 12:16:35 AM
$6.38 each??
Needs to be Law-of-Five'd.
Pfft. Too easy.
6+3+8=17
(6/3=2)+8=10 (first multiple)
6/8=.75, 7+5+3=15, divided by the 3 (number of digits in the final sequence) = 5
6/.38=15.789473684210526315(repeat) Add those together = 80, divided by 15.789473684210526315 = 5.06666666666666666692 all numbers after decimal added = 119, divided by the 5 in front of the decimal = 23.8.
This is of course a sign that Lulu, and possibly me, are tools of the Illuminati/Chaney/HomelandSecurity(tm)/Starbucks/David Icke, and will hunt down anyone buying this book.
:mittens:
That was a great post, Telarus, very insightful and well written.
I'm curious if you could point me in the right direction regarding research on the following:
Quote from: Telarus on January 23, 2009, 07:18:59 PM
....Laughter is what the brain uses to integrate new information when the abstract/rational processes have failed.
It seems reasonable and also very testable, so my science sensors went off suggesting there is something I could potentially examine and cite in the future.
Yes, I specifically picked that tid-bit up from a study about the differences in perception that Eastern vs Western cultures program into an individual.
Let me hunt for it.....
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=00087E7F-7EC8-130A-8AB283414B7F4945
There's an article about the study, but it doesn't mention the work they did with optical illusions (which is where I picked up the Laughter bit of info).
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol309/issue5740/r-samples.shtml
I'm pretty sure that's the article I read.. don't have a log-in for Science Magazine at the moment, tho.....let's see if I can't dig up a better cite.
Quote from: Telarus on March 17, 2009, 02:17:45 PM
Yes, I specifically picked that tid-bit up from a study about the differences in perception that Eastern vs Western cultures program into an individual.
Let me hunt for it.....
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=00087E7F-7EC8-130A-8AB283414B7F4945
verrry interesting, but I think they made a leap in their conclusion. They posit that easterners pay more attention than westerners to background details because they come from a culture with more rigid social roles. Seems kind of tenuous to me.
Very interesting though
Ok, still can't find the original article I read (which combined talking about the above east/west perception split with a study on optical illusions and the effects of laughter on 'binocular rivalry phenomenon'), but here's an article about the 2nd topic. The tests used simple black and white optical illusions and various ways to interrupt the left/right hemisphere-based perception process.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/steen/cogweb/Abstracts/Pettigrew_01.html
QuotePettigrew, a neurobiologist at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, came up with a different theory: it is not just clusters of neurons that compete in binocular rivalry, but the left and right hemispheres of the cerebral cortex. To test this ambitious hypothesis, Pettigrew, Steven M. Miller and their colleagues measured how long volunteers dwelled on each possible perception of either a Necker cube or a bars-and-stripes stereoscopic display. Their plan was to fiddle with one hemisphere to see how that affected what the subjects saw.
There are several ways to do this. Ice-cold water dribbled against one eardrum causes vertigo and makes the eyes sway woozily. After the vertigo passes, however, the half of the brain opposite the chilled ear practically hums with activity. Conversely, zapping the parietal lobe on one side of the brain with a highly focused, one-tesla magnetic field temporarily interrupts much of the neural activity in just that hemisphere.
And among all the 20 volunteers tested, a good belly laugh either obliterated the binocular rivalry phenomenon altogether--so that subjects saw a crosshatch of both bars and stripes--or significantly reduced whatever natural bias the individuals showed toward one of the two forms, for up to half an hour.
The result seems to support, though hardly prove, Pettigrew's theory that when the brain is faced with conflicting or ambiguous scenes, the left hemisphere constructs one interpretation, the right hemisphere forms another, and an "interhemispheric switch" waffles between the two. Laughter, he speculates, either short-circuits the switch or toggles it so fast that we see both interpretations at once. "It rebalances the brain," Pettigrew says, "and literally creates a new state of mind."
Quote from: Telarus on March 17, 2009, 02:41:46 PM
Ok, still can't find the original article I read (which combined talking about the above east/west perception split with a study on optical illusions and the effects of laughter on 'binocular rivalry phenomenon'), but here's an article about the 2nd topic. The tests used simple black and white optical illusions and various ways to interrupt the left/right hemisphere-based perception process.
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/steen/cogweb/Abstracts/Pettigrew_01.html
QuotePettigrew, a neurobiologist at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, came up with a different theory: it is not just clusters of neurons that compete in binocular rivalry, but the left and right hemispheres of the cerebral cortex. To test this ambitious hypothesis, Pettigrew, Steven M. Miller and their colleagues measured how long volunteers dwelled on each possible perception of either a Necker cube or a bars-and-stripes stereoscopic display. Their plan was to fiddle with one hemisphere to see how that affected what the subjects saw.
There are several ways to do this. Ice-cold water dribbled against one eardrum causes vertigo and makes the eyes sway woozily. After the vertigo passes, however, the half of the brain opposite the chilled ear practically hums with activity. Conversely, zapping the parietal lobe on one side of the brain with a highly focused, one-tesla magnetic field temporarily interrupts much of the neural activity in just that hemisphere.
And among all the 20 volunteers tested, a good belly laugh either obliterated the binocular rivalry phenomenon altogether--so that subjects saw a crosshatch of both bars and stripes--or significantly reduced whatever natural bias the individuals showed toward one of the two forms, for up to half an hour.
The result seems to support, though hardly prove, Pettigrew's theory that when the brain is faced with conflicting or ambiguous scenes, the left hemisphere constructs one interpretation, the right hemisphere forms another, and an "interhemispheric switch" waffles between the two. Laughter, he speculates, either short-circuits the switch or toggles it so fast that we see both interpretations at once. "It rebalances the brain," Pettigrew says, "and literally creates a new state of mind."
Oh yeah, I remember reading that awhile back. It reminded me of Pete Carroll's view that when a new connection was made in the neurological system, laughter was a result. I don't know how much, if any, scientific evidence Pete was basing that on, but I have noticed that getting a surprising new piece of information often does seem to be accompanied by a laugh. I also remember Bob always used to claim that the euphoria/laughter that accompanied getting stoned was a very important aspect to its medicinal value. The THC pills which only act as a pain killer/appetite enhancer didn't seem to work as well for him.
If you consider that one of the supposed principles of comedy is the unexpected, this isn't that difficult to fathom.
This post has 5 paragraphs after the quote, and and was posted on January 23. Thank you, Telarus.
Quote from: Telarus on January 23, 2009, 07:18:59 PM...<snip>...
a small example from the pentaparf i picked up somewhere:
it took Zarathud 10 weeks and 11 days (or something- it's 10 and 11) to decode the tablet.
in binary, that's a '2' and a '3', respectively.
LOL, that's excellent.
i prefer the obscure, simple ones if i'm even going to bother. I have a friend, though, that LOLs everytime, because it's everything everywhere.
5 is also the 5th positive integer from the fibonacci sequence ([0], 1, 1, 2, 3, 5)
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Also, 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon has five editions. that HAS to mean SOMETHING, right?
To make a grid for 3-dimensions, we can stack a bunch of cubes side to side and up and down. This works decently for a few reasons, but among those reasons is that you can stack them without leaving any space between them.
Interestingly enough, if you take dodecahedrons (12-sided shapes where each side is a pentagon), you can also stack them without leaving any space between them in 3-d, and there are some articles that I've come across (I haven't read them) where they're trying to do some kind of funky theoretical physics with these particular models of the universe.
Obscure? Probably. Simple? Maybe not though :x
Bleeding into Bucky Fuller's work there Rurouzaru.
"Synergy is the only word in our language that means behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the separately observed behaviors of any of the system's separate parts or any subassembly of the system's parts. There is nothing in the chemistry of a toenail that predicts the existence of a human being."
Quote from: Telarus on April 14, 2009, 09:43:12 PM
Bleeding into Bucky Fuller's work there Rurouzaru.
"Synergy is the only word in our language that means behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the separately observed behaviors of any of the system's separate parts or any subassembly of the system's parts. There is nothing in the chemistry of a toenail that predicts the existence of a human being."
actually, the word "emergence" refers to pretty much the same thing.
interesting nonetheless, I keep meaning to read more of bucky's stuff.
i just don't see why he has to lead it in with a useless (and false) statement like "synergy is the only word ...", while the point of the paragraph is to point out the wonderfullness of synergy (or emergence), not that we only have one word for it (we dont, and even if we did, what's the point? in some languages there's lots of concepts you cannot fit in just one word)