I'd like to call attention to the numbering that we've been assigning to Intermittens issues. We're not tied to publishing 1 issue per month, nor is it necessary to publish in the order that people have called dibbs. I'm worried be that people might waiting to put together their issue because they theoretically have several months before it's "due". That's poppycock for traditional magazines, but not necessary for DIY outfits like us.
Right now we're theoretically scheduled up to issue #8. But KC, feel free to release yours before this summer!
In general, don't worry about the issue numbering. It might be more useful to rename the issue threads to "Intermittens: Your Subject" (instead of an issue number). Publish when you're ready. We'll try to make sure we have at least one per month, but we shouldn't be afraid to publish faster than that. I'm excited that we have six issues in development right now.
ALSO, EDITORS: keep your threads updated with what resources you're missing to make your issue come together. It's possible that you can find some help or advice regarding layout or graphic design or what have you.
ONE MORE THING: If you've got a minute, make an account on Intermittens.org -- there's not a lot there at the moment, but soon enough there will be lots of resources for collaboration... Including the ability to take submissions over the web from spags who don't even post here.
In other words, please don't let the fact that RWHN is a slowpoke hold you up.
Suggestion: Keep the numbering system, because that's a good marker of how we've progressed, and people like listing things.
However, if you've got your issue ready to go, just fucking put it out there. I mean, this is a Discordian magazine; there's no good reason issue 7 can't be published before issue 5.
Quote from: No Longer LMNO on February 27, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
Suggestion: Keep the numbering system, because that's a good marker of how we've progressed, and people like listing things.
I agree, put a number on the cover. If it's the sixth published issue, call it issue six. It doesn't have to be the number you called when you made the thread..
I disagree!
Strongly!
If the issue is the sixth idea for an issue we came up with, it stays issue six, no matter when it's issued!
Fuck chronology!
publish out of order, if anyone asks we can tell them that it is the time travelers using our history against us.
or
:?
:lulz:
Quote from: No Longer LMNO on February 27, 2009, 08:28:39 PM
Fuck chronology!
LETS RACE and first one to issue #23 WINS!
ps I claim issue #33
Quote from: fomenter on February 27, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
publish out of order, if anyone asks we can tell them that it is the time travelers using our history against us.
or
:?
This.
I got an account at http://intermittens.info but have to figure out how to use it. Ratatosk told me about the tutorial, I just have to wade through it.
I'll update my request for what's needed as suggested (it will be on the Intermittens site soon with Ratatosk's help), and can use some advice from the editors of Issue 1/1.23 and 2 as to what program they used to lay it out in, how they saved it in pdf, etc. (I can save in pdf, but some programs require a whole lot of memory for a mediocre pdf file).
As to the number listed on an issue, it doesn't much matter to me what number I have. I will change my editorial to sound like whatever number I get is the
one and only perfect number for that issue.
But I think Issue no. 5 should really be saved for The Law of Fives issue.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 27, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
In other words, please don't let the fact that RWHN is a slowpoke taking time to get everything right hold you up.
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Quote from: Cramulus on February 27, 2009, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: No Longer LMNO on February 27, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
Suggestion: Keep the numbering system, because that's a good marker of how we've progressed, and people like listing things.
I agree, put a number on the cover. If it's the sixth published issue, call it issue six. It doesn't have to be the number you called when you made the thread..
I thought about this, and agree. I think it will work better if the issues do come out in numerical order.
If we don't do this, and instead skip numbers assuming we'll catch up later, we could run into some problems.
First, the skipped issue might never be made, meaning we'll end up with several gaps:
For example, Intermittens 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, etc. I don't really think this will give lulz, but will simply be annoying. (Plus it will take away from the joke of there being one issue that....)
Second, skipping numbers could create problems for those who are doing series, continuing columns, etc. While it might seem funny now, readers are not going to want to have to figure out that to follow a series they have to read issue 2, then 5, then 3 and then 6. They just won't read it.
Third, skipping issue numbers would mess with letters to the editor. I would like to have letters to the editor in my issue that refer to items in the previous issue. I think people like to feel that their comments (serious, humorous, whatever) can actually be used. We might even find some talented writers for future issues that way.
But if a letter to the editor in issue 7 refers to an interesting article that already appeared in issue 8, readers aren't likely to track down those interesting articles.
I think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
EDIT: Short version: I agree. Each editor can say what theme their issue will be, about when they hope to have it out, and then issue numbers can be assigned chronologically (based on the order issues actually do come out).
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:08:53 AM
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AMI think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
This.
There are readers besides us?
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:17:03 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:08:53 AM
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AMI think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
This.
Explain.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 03:30:38 AMwhat program they used to lay it out in, how they saved it in pdf, etc. (I can save in pdf, but some programs require a whole lot of memory for a mediocre pdf file).
http://www.scribus.net/ is an opensource desktop publishing application (kinda like InDesign), it runs on Linux, Windows and Mac, allows easy control over the layout of a page (unlike MS Word) and exports to PDF.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 03:30:38 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 27, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
In other words, please don't let the fact that RWHN is a slowpoke taking time to get everything right hold you up.
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No, see, the thing is with a wife and daughter who I like to spend time with when I'm home, finding free time can sometimes be difficult. So I try to find free time here and there at work but that's been difficult too because of certain developments. It'll get done. I think Law of Fives still needs to be #5, and I'm not particularly bent out of shape about the order they are released in. But fuck, if one of you spags gets one done before me, call it #3 and I'll number mine whatever number seems appropriate. Just don't let me hold you up. If you can whip it out, whip it out.
Quote from: Requia on March 02, 2009, 04:54:37 AM
There are readers besides us?
surprisingly, yes.
The Intermittens page on bip.com has gotten 2000 hits.
& a lot of readers have taken it upon themselves to leave copies all over the place
but the whole thing is gaining speed
intermittens.org will help
as we produce more issues, more people will become interested
Intermittens is exciting :D
I currently have a ridiculous amount going on at colledge and hardly find time to even come on pd :horrormirth: but i would love to contribute later on. Maybe in the holidays, that would be cool :)
Edit: Fail spelling :mrgreen:
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 02, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 03:30:38 AMwhat program they used to lay it out in, how they saved it in pdf, etc. (I can save in pdf, but some programs require a whole lot of memory for a mediocre pdf file).
http://www.scribus.net/ is an opensource desktop publishing application (kinda like InDesign), it runs on Linux, Windows and Mac, allows easy control over the layout of a page (unlike MS Word) and exports to PDF.
Thanks. I will definitely check it out.
Quote from: Mu on March 02, 2009, 08:53:48 PM
Intermittens is exiting :D
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Exciting, or exiting? I hope it's not going away already. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:56:19 AM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:17:03 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:08:53 AM
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AMI think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
This.
Explain.
I can see that the way I posted that might not be clear. Sorry about that. Let me rephrase it.
Doing things like telling them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
I'm cool with whatever the heck we do, just as long as Issue #4 is kept under wraps. Titanium wraps. Under heavy guard.
I think Scribus makes the most sense for intermittens. This is why:
- everyone has easy access (yay open source!)
- not that hard to learn
- layouts can be shared
In Scribus you have these page templates called Master Pages. When you create a new page in the magazine, you can choose a "master page" template, and then just pour the text into the text boxes.
Over at intermittens.org there will be an area to post or download master pages and layouts
THE INFORMATION AGE KICKS ASS!
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AM
Second, skipping numbers could create problems for those who are doing series, continuing columns, etc. While it might seem funny now, readers are not going to want to have to figure out that to follow a series they have to read issue 2, then 5, then 3 and then 6. I mean we could request series of numbers to be kept in a block to prevent this, but tahts alot of effort.
Third, skipping issue numbers would mess with letters to the editor. I would like to have letters to the editor but what email address to use, should we include the urls. I think people like to feel that their comments (serious, humorous, whatever) can actually be in order to not confuse their weak minds. We dont want to scare off professional writers for future issues that way.
But if a letter to the editor in issue 7 refers to an interesting article that already appeared in issue 8, readers aren't likely to track down those interesting articles. unless of course they havn't read issue number 8
I think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the board of directors, won't be laughing.
change my editorial to sound like whatever number I get is the one and only perfect number for that issue.
issue 3 is now the issue that shall not be named
issue 4 :horrormirth:
issue 5 law of fives
issue 6 RWHN's
this public service announcement brought to you by the concordia movement
Quote from: Yatto on March 03, 2009, 12:45:59 AM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AM
Second, skipping numbers could create problems for those who are doing series, continuing columns, etc. While it might seem funny now, readers are not going to want to have to figure out that to follow a series they have to read issue 2, then 5, then 3 and then 6. I mean we could request series of numbers to be kept in a block to prevent this, but tahts alot of effort.
Third, skipping issue numbers would mess with letters to the editor. I would like to have letters to the editor but what email address to use, should we include the urls. I think people like to feel that their comments (serious, humorous, whatever) can actually be in order to not confuse their weak minds. We dont want to scare off professional writers for future issues that way.
But if a letter to the editor in issue 7 refers to an interesting article that already appeared in issue 8, readers aren't likely to track down those interesting articles. unless of course they havn't read issue number 8
I think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the board of directors, won't be laughing.
change my editorial to sound like whatever number I get is the one and only perfect number for that issue.
I sincerely apologize for misquoting Sheered Völva. As punishment, I promise I will take off all my clothes, cover myself with 150 proof alcohol, and run into the nearest police station screaming, "I'm on fire! I'm on fire! Somebody please lick me!"
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 02, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 03:30:38 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 27, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
In other words, please don't let the fact that RWHN is a slowpoke taking time to get everything right hold you up.
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No, see, the thing is with a wife and daughter who I like to spend time with when I'm home, finding free time can sometimes be difficult. So I try to find free time here and there at work but that's been difficult too because of certain developments. It'll get done. I think Law of Fives still needs to be #5, and I'm not particularly bent out of shape about the order they are released in. But fuck, if one of you spags gets one done before me, call it #3 and I'll number mine whatever number seems appropriate. Just don't let me hold you up. If you can whip it out, whip it out.
How dare you have a real life! How dare you! :argh!:
By the way, where can I get one? :mrgreen:
Quote from: Yatto on March 03, 2009, 12:55:07 AM
issue 3 is now the issue that shall not be named
Partial Quote)
I like this idea. It will mean that we aren't running later than expected; we're right on time.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 03, 2009, 05:21:11 AM
I sincerely apologize for misquoting Sheered Völva. As punishment, I promise I will take off all my clothes, cover myself with 150 proof alcohol, and run into the nearest police station screaming, "I'm on fire! I'm on fire! Somebody please lick me!"
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but the point was this
change my editorial to sound like whatever number I get is the one and only perfect number for that issue.
was also your idea and wasnt changed. the box i just expanded on your ideas, still yours or not
Quote from: Yatto on March 03, 2009, 06:39:13 AM
but the point was this
change my editorial to sound like whatever number I get is the one and only perfect number for that issue.
was also your idea and wasnt changed. the box i just expanded on your ideas, still yours or not
Yeah, I know. But you made it sound like I said some things I didn't, so I thought I'd pay you back.
Anyway, I couldn't stay mad at someone who grew such a cool mustache. :mrgreen:
no payback required, i only pointed out the flawed nature of it
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:56:19 AM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:17:03 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:08:53 AM
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AMI think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
This.
Explain.
I can see that the way I posted that might not be clear. Sorry about that. Let me rephrase it.
Doing things like telling them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
Why's that?
Quote from: Cramulus on March 02, 2009, 11:23:06 PM
I think Scribus makes the most sense - everyone has easy access (yay open source!)
my tux hates it,
checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. EVEN IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR
:horrormirth:
i assume its quick time but wasnt sure
not QT is some kind of user interface thingy library in linux.
mainly it means yr tux sux
Quote from: Felix on March 03, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:56:19 AM
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:17:03 AM
Quote from: Felix on March 02, 2009, 04:08:53 AM
We can just tell them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil.
Quote from: Sheered Völva on March 02, 2009, 04:02:20 AMI think doing issue numbers out of order might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
This.
Explain.
I can see that the way I posted that might not be clear. Sorry about that. Let me rephrase it.
Doing things like telling them that the missing issues are super rare and coated in shiny foil might give us a laugh for a day or two, but very soon we, and more importantly the readers, won't be laughing.
Why's that?
speaking for myself--
is it really that funny to have the issues printed out of order? I can see it earning a chuckle if someone turns up at the forum and asks when issue 11 is coming out, and then we get to laugh at him for not getting it, but I think the overall funnay is limited.
Having the issues in order is
useful - it helps people who are collecting them. It helps people track the progression and evolution of the magazine. It will ultimately bring all these random issues by different editors under the same ceiling.
also, when random numbering it stops being funny, we still have to live with our editorial decisions.
so I think it's one of those times that Order will be more useful than Disorder.
there are other ways to prank the readers.. like maybe have an issue whose cover states the theme is THE ALL NUDE ISSUE but then it's actually the BEARDED MEN IN LOBSTER SUITS ISSUE.
So I think this is the compromise. Issues are numbered as they are published, not as they are initiated. The exception I think would be issue #5 since it's supposed to be the Law of Fives issue.
So perhaps we should stop numbering the initiation of an issue, because speaking for myself, the pressure to produce something I'm not being paid for and that is time consuming kinda sucks. Yes, I know I took it on, but just the same, if someone else is afforded the time to throw something together faster, they shouldn't be held up because we think that just because one was started before the other, that it has to be published before the other. Am I making sense?
Howabout a compromise?
"Issue 1: First in a series."
"Issue 2: Second in a series."
"Issue 7: Third in a series."
"Issue 4: Withdrawn for legal reasons."
"Issue 5: Fifth in a series (OMG PINEAL)."
"Issue 12: Sixth in a series."
"Issue 8: Seventh in a series."
"Issue 6: Eighth in a series."
This way, we can represent both the order it was published, and the order in which we thought it up.
RWHN is riding the correct motorcycle.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 03, 2009, 03:48:44 PM
So I think this is the compromise. Issues are numbered as they are published, not as they are initiated. The exception I think would be issue #5 since it's supposed to be the Law of Fives issue.
So perhaps we should stop numbering the initiation of an issue, because speaking for myself, the pressure to produce something I'm not being paid for and that is time consuming kinda sucks. Yes, I know I took it on, but just the same, if someone else is afforded the time to throw something together faster, they shouldn't be held up because we think that just because one was started before the other, that it has to be published before the other. Am I making sense?
This. Although I do like the current cascade of topics, and some of the occultnick-lulz in the numbering. On the other hand, STEP IT UP PEOPLES, and you get a low Issue_#. Then we can start cracking SNLish jokes about who got where first like Steve Martin and Alec Baldwin do.
Quote from: LMNO once again on March 03, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
Howabout a compromise?
"Issue 1: First in a series."
"Issue 2: Second in a series."
"Issue 7: Third in a series."
"Issue 4: Withdrawn for legal reasons."
"Issue 5: Fifth in a series (OMG PINEAL)."
"Issue 12: Sixth in a series."
"Issue 8: Seventh in a series."
"Issue 6: Eighth in a series."
This way, we can represent both the order it was published, and the order in which we thought it up.
With all due respect to LMNO, no.
I still get irked at George Lucas every time I try to explain which Star Wars movie I'm talking about (Well, you see, it's episode IV meaning it's the 1st movie, except really it wasn't called episode IV at first). But while Star Wars movies aren't numbered in the order they came out, the numbers are at least in chronological order for the series' timeline. Giving each Intermittens issue two numbers to me is worse than giving them no numbers at all. But that's just my opinion.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 03, 2009, 03:48:44 PM
So I think this is the compromise. Issues are numbered as they are published, not as they are initiated. The exception I think would be issue #5 since it's supposed to be the Law of Fives issue.
So perhaps we should stop numbering the initiation of an issue, because speaking for myself, the pressure to produce something I'm not being paid for and that is time consuming kinda sucks. Yes, I know I took it on, but just the same, if someone else is afforded the time to throw something together faster, they shouldn't be held up because we think that just because one was started before the other, that it has to be published before the other. Am I making sense?
Yes.
rly the url was that simple
http://www.qtsoftware.com :argh!:
so much for working on something when i had days off
"Issue 4: Withdrawn for legal reasons."
shouldnt this be issue 3 with 4 being the O SHIT WUT