:fnord: :fnord: God Does Not Remove the Terror of Science!!!! :fnord: :fnord:
Many people cling to the belief of a divine (or, in the case of some cults, alien) creator with the idea that if this creator is real, then it will somehow make the world "meaningful" or somehow "explain" existence. Well, i don't know what to believe, but I know that the existence or non-existence of God won't change the meaninglessness of our existence one bit either way!
Are "the Sims" meaningful?!? They had an intelligent creator!!!!!
A divine creator doesn't solve anything, it just moves it somewhere else! So what if God created the universe? So what if we were made for a reason?
Where did the creator come from?!? What is his reason?!?!?!?!?.
Sooner or later everything boils down to something arbitrary! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma) Everything falls apart, either one way, or another! A meaningless creator does not a meaningful universe make!
GOD DOES NOT REMOVE THE TERROR OF SCIENCE!!!!!
I believe in a God. Several, actually, depending on my state of mind (and whether or not I'm all fucked up on sleeping pills). However, I do not look to them for "meaning", because they're just going to eat us all, anyway. This is why I never pray...you never know what's listening.
That's their reason. We're like Doritos for the Gods.
Quote from: lumberjim on March 12, 2009, 12:18:54 AM
If there were a 'creator' and it wanted it's meaning known, it would be known.
They don't want their meanings known. Never assume a deity is benevolent.
:mittens: to the OP, for expressing exactly what I think of the whole mess.
Them: "But without God, life is just a meaningless nothing! How can anyone live like that?"
Me: :?
Good shit dude.
Short, but sweet and hits hard.
:mittens:
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 12:45:43 PM
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
I think it was a play on the Subgenius Dictum "Science does not remove the terror of the Gods".
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 12:45:43 PM
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
I think it was a play on the Subgenius Dictum "Science does not remove the terror of the Gods".
It is indeed a reference to that aphorism, but it is also a reference to many people's aversions to the implications of many scientific concepts and ideas (evolution, thermodynamics, reductionism (especially as applied to biology and psychology), the big bang/cosmology, et cetera), and the general idea/implication that humanity (and, indeed, the universe itself) is just a coincidence and has not been afforded any special role or status in the cosmos
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 12, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 12:45:43 PM
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
I think it was a play on the Subgenius Dictum "Science does not remove the terror of the Gods".
It is indeed a reference to that aphorism, but it is also a reference to many people's aversions to the implications of many scientific concepts and ideas (evolution, thermodynamics, reductionism (especially as applied to biology and psychology), the big bang/cosmology, et cetera), and the general idea/implication that humanity (and, indeed, the universe itself) is just a coincidence and has not been afforded any special role or status in the cosmos
That isn't what scares the fundies. What scares the fundies is that someone, somewhere, might
have a good time.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 12:45:43 PM
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
I think it was a play on the Subgenius Dictum "Science does not remove the terror of the Gods".
It is indeed a reference to that aphorism, but it is also a reference to many people's aversions to the implications of many scientific concepts and ideas (evolution, thermodynamics, reductionism (especially as applied to biology and psychology), the big bang/cosmology, et cetera), and the general idea/implication that humanity (and, indeed, the universe itself) is just a coincidence and has not been afforded any special role or status in the cosmos.
Most people would rather believe that we were put here for some purpose and that we have a special unique place in the cosmic order; that we weren't a coincidence (it is this desire for purpose which is mocked by SubGenius scripture when it claims that we were created in response to a bar-bet or that we were created as a joke. It is also mocked at various times in the novels of H.P.Lovecraft, such as when the protagonists of
At the mountains of Madness discover that all Earthly life evolved from the Elder Things' garbage). This is not however, what science assumes; It generally, in fact, assumes just the opposite.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 12, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 12:45:43 PM
Cool position, I can relate but what's with the "terror" of science? I just don't get the terror factor.
I think it was a play on the Subgenius Dictum "Science does not remove the terror of the Gods".
It is indeed a reference to that aphorism, but it is also a reference to many people's aversions to the implications of many scientific concepts and ideas (evolution, thermodynamics, reductionism (especially as applied to biology and psychology), the big bang/cosmology, et cetera), and the general idea/implication that humanity (and, indeed, the universe itself) is just a coincidence and has not been afforded any special role or status in the cosmos
That isn't what scares the fundies. What scares the fundies is that someone, somewhere, might have a good time.
No, but its what scares many normal religious folks, most new-agers, and even some respected scientists (Einstein found Quantum Physics to be exceedingly unnerving, especially its implications about non-determinism)
Behold I am the great one I am a god from the planet 34e=0 and humanity and earth was created when I burped with all the great glory you would expect from a nuke hitting a cockroach. :kingmeh:
Is it another one of yours, BDS?
How old are these kids, anyway? You seem pretty mature, but your hangers-on all seem about 14.
Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 12, 2009, 07:00:30 PM
Behold I am the great one I am a god from the planet 34e=0 and humanity and earth was created when I burped with all the great glory you would expect from a nuke hitting a cockroach. :kingmeh:
Yeah, great, whatever. Please try not to let your pinealism leak all over the carpet. Kthxbai.
We are being trolled by a bunch of fucking children :x
I suddenly find myself missing the smartest guy on the internets :cry:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 10:59:42 PM
We are being trolled by a bunch of fucking children :x
I suddenly find myself missing the smartest guy on the internets :cry:
At least he provided a basis for argument.
These kids are, however, giving me a horrible idea for a mass troll.
Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 10:59:42 PM
We are being trolled by a bunch of fucking children :x
I suddenly find myself missing the smartest guy on the internets :cry:
At least he provided a basis for argument.
These kids are, however, giving me a horrible idea for a mass troll.
I'm with ya...:banana:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 12, 2009, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 12, 2009, 10:59:42 PM
We are being trolled by a bunch of fucking children :x
I suddenly find myself missing the smartest guy on the internets :cry:
At least he provided a basis for argument.
These kids are, however, giving me a horrible idea for a mass troll.
I'm with ya...:banana:
:hammer:
Now... the only question is who?
Quote from: Cainad on March 12, 2009, 04:54:46 AM
:mittens: to the OP, for expressing exactly what I think of the whole mess.
Them: "But without God, life is just a meaningless nothing! How can anyone live like that?"
Me: :?
Exactly, and ultimately, it is this Very pointlessness which frees us, the enlightened, to pull the wool over our own eyes and relax in the safety of our own delusions. In fact, it becomes necessary, because the only other options are to be enslaved by somebody else's delusions, or else to give up and return to affathaugh (the cosmic princple of pointlessness and futility)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 15, 2009, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Cainad on March 12, 2009, 04:54:46 AM
:mittens: to the OP, for expressing exactly what I think of the whole mess.
Them: "But without God, life is just a meaningless nothing! How can anyone live like that?"
Me: :?
Exactly, and ultimately, it is this Very pointlessness which frees us, the enlightened, to pull the wool over our own eyes and relax in the safety of our own delusions. In fact, it becomes necessary, because the only other options are to be enslaved by somebody else's delusions, or else to give up and return to affathaugh (the cosmic princple of pointlessness and futility)
Hey, dude: We've also read the Book of the Subgenius. Just saying.
Quote from: Nigel on March 12, 2009, 07:56:35 PM
Is it another one of yours, BDS?
How old are these kids, anyway? You seem pretty mature, but your hangers-on all seem about 14.
I hope not.
And they're all about 15 or 16, i think.
ETA: Don't think this guy is one of mine, he actually seems to understand that this is a
discordian board. Meaning you should at least vaguely comprehend what we're about.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2009, 06:51:15 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 15, 2009, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Cainad on March 12, 2009, 04:54:46 AM
:mittens: to the OP, for expressing exactly what I think of the whole mess.
Them: "But without God, life is just a meaningless nothing! How can anyone live like that?"
Me: :?
Exactly, and ultimately, it is this Very pointlessness which frees us, the enlightened, to pull the wool over our own eyes and relax in the safety of our own delusions. In fact, it becomes necessary, because the only other options are to be enslaved by somebody else's delusions, or else to give up and return to affathaugh (the cosmic princple of pointlessness and futility)
Hey, dude: We've also read the Book of the Subgenius. Just saying.
Yeah, I get that. I'm just providing an explanation for how all of these poorly explained slogans and aphorisms actually fit together...
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 15, 2009, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: Cainad on March 12, 2009, 04:54:46 AM
:mittens: to the OP, for expressing exactly what I think of the whole mess.
Them: "But without God, life is just a meaningless nothing! How can anyone live like that?"
Me: :?
Exactly, and ultimately, it is this Very pointlessness which frees us, the enlightened, to pull the wool over our own eyes and relax in the safety of our own delusions. In fact, it becomes necessary, because the only other options are to be enslaved by somebody else's delusions, or else to give up and return to affathaugh (the cosmic princple of pointlessness and futility)
Ok, Continuing with my efforts to string all the slogans and sayings together in one stream of tortured logic :mrgreen:
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This arbitrary pulling of the wool over our own eyes, and having it be no less meaningful (philosophically) than anything else, is largely what gives rise to the phenomenon, described in the Principia Discordia and embodied by Sri Syadasti and St.Gulik, of everything being simultaneously "true in some sense, false in some sense, and meaningless in some sense", at least from a philosophical standpoint. (From a physical standpoint, a similar true/false/meaningless duality ('tertiality'?) arises from the "Many Worlds" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation) interpretation of Quantum Physics and Quantum Uncertainty.)
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1And to oblige the guy who pointed out that this a Discordian rather than SubGenius message board
2....
2or, at least, I think that's what he said...everybody has been using a lot of abbreviations that I'm not familiar with, so i might have lost the thread of the conversation somewhere...
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on March 15, 2009, 01:53:08 PM
Yeah, I get that. I'm just providing an explanation for how all of these poorly explained slogans and aphorisms actually fit together...
Oh, I see. You're explaining it to us less brilliant people. Carry on.
No, really.
TGRR,
NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS SHIT BEFORE.