I really,
really hate Starbucks, and not just because my manager is awful (that's a whole 'nother rant) but because of shit like this.
About a year ago, on an industry gossip site I ran across an article detailing Starbucks's attempts to prevent employee unionization. (http://cornellsun.com/node/26594)
QuoteThe pinnacle of the events in question came when Starbucks managers read through the discussion boards on Cornell Organization for Labor Action's website in order to identify job applicants and current employees that were labor activists.
In a series of e-mails uncovered by The Wall Street Journal, Starbucks managers pulled names from the discussion board and then cross-referenced them with an employee database. They found that three employees were members of the University's School of Industrial and Labor Relations and active union supporters, and asked executives if they could inform local managers of the workers' identities.
This lead to those three employees being fired.
And then, while reading the article Suu posted about washing machines Lilithizing women, I saw this article (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52L03920090322) and redlined.
QuoteLOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Starbucks, Costco Wholesale Corp and Whole Foods Market are joining forces to propose alternatives to a bill that makes it easier for workers to unionize but is strongly opposed by U.S. corporations.
The three retail giants said on Saturday they sought a "third way" as big business and labor unions face off over the Employee Free Choice Act, backed by President Barack Obama.
...
Starbucks, Costco and Whole Foods, which invited other corporations, unions and public interest groups to join them, proposed instead that unions be given more access to meet with workers, stricter penalties for labor violations and a guaranteed right to request secret ballots in all circumstances.
:fuckoff:
Arggh, there's so much OTHER complete bullshit the world at large (Forbes, the average sheep on the street) thinks about working here!
From the first article:
QuoteForbes Magazine ranked Starbucks as the number two "best company to work for" in the large company category. It claims that the average hourly worker nets $35,294 a year.
Ooooh, how I laughed when I read that! $35k? At a job like mine? I fucking WISH! They must have been counting the CEOs, VPs, regional managers, district managers, store managers, the ASMs AND the lowly cogs like myself. Christ.
Second article:
QuoteThe SWU has been trying to organize Starbucks baristas since 2004. The movement stems from some workers' claims that Starbucks does not treat its employees in a fair manner by paying low wages and not providing enough hours to work. These two factors can make it very difficult for someone to support themselves, according to the Starbucks Union website.
More like the truth.
you know if you don't like working at starbucks you ever think of just looking for a new job and quitting
or failing that just do a really piss poor job
I have a second interview with another employer in the near future. I'm getting OUT, come hell or high water. And I have this thing about doing a piss-poor job for people that are paying me--it's called professionalism. Though goodness knows it's wearing thin.
well if your getting out have some fun at least
they don't need to know you caused any mayhem
I'm aware of that. Hence why there's a thread in the Mind Fuck called, "Starbucks MF Opportunity." Professionalism is, at best, a facade. I won't tear it down because it's useful, but I'll certainly use it as a disguise.
I buy ALL of my music at STARBUCKS.
The Contemporary Grind series is good, as are some of the other ones. Most of the CDs are tolerable. There's a few (usually just specific songs) that grate on my nerves and I go skip.
I can safely say I have never been inside a Starbucks. I am more a Cafe Nerro/Costa man.
However, it does sound like Starbucks has taken the Wal-Mart approach to worker-management relations, which is "people at the bottom are scum. Use as you see fit, but remember to remind them of their place in the grand scheme of things as often as possible". Was it Starbucks who introduced the electronic scheme where they can electronically monitor how much work you do at any given time, so they can more efficiently manage you (ie send you home if you start flagging)? Or was that someone else? I know one major chain brought it in.
Quote from: Cain on March 23, 2009, 09:30:32 AM
I can safely say I have never been inside a Starbucks.
Starbucks is a necessary evil. It is used by society to contain all the Ayn Rand fans, so that they don't hector passers-by in the streets. They just sit around in Starbucks, making sure that everyone sees their copy of
The Fountainhead, and wondering where all the girls went.
I had Starbucks this morning. Does this mean I fail. :cry:
This university is probably the only one I know that has a Starbucks, but you can't find it if your life depended on it... All this time I've been here and I still don't know where it is
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 23, 2009, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 23, 2009, 09:30:32 AM
I can safely say I have never been inside a Starbucks.
Starbucks is a necessary evil. It is used by society to contain all the Ayn Rand fans, so that they don't hector passers-by in the streets. They just sit around in Starbucks, making sure that everyone sees their copy of The Fountainhead, and wondering where all the girls went.
Starbucks
: Gaia Online
:: Ayn Rand
: Anything they talk about at Gaia Online
:lol:
Starbucks, from what I hear (my sil used to work for them til last year) is a bitch to work for, and very tough to move up in. You need the ruthless abilities of most second-rate businesses to get ahead, and that usually entails the usual turning on your colleagues, tattleing, etc. I know that if your drawer is not 100% perfect 100% of the time, you face firing or some such shit like that. A lot of pressure on the drawer being in tact, from what I gather.
Costco is just shit altogether to work for, so if they dump their union, damn, I just don't know how anyone will ever be able to work witih them for very long.
Retail and Food Service suck in general. Speaking as someone who slogged his way through both. BTW, never eat at Pizza Hut and nevar shop at Brookstone.
Done and done. Yeah, they all pretty much suck, but some unions help them suck LESS. My cousin (I've shared she works at Costco before) is the union rep for her site, and she tells me that she's basically most of the workers' insurance against instant-firing in a lot of grievance cases.
Why, for the love of Eris, does anyone get a job in corporate America and expect anything more than the lowest wages they can get by with and the least useful management they can survive with?
There are corporations that are different, but those should be refreshing surprises. If you interview at WalMart or Starbucks or any other Major Retail Corporation... EXPECT THEM TO TRY TO FUCK YOU.
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
If you can't unionize, form a Discordian Cabal. That's what we did at the Brookstone shop where I formerly worked. If you can't get more monies, at least get more lulz.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 23, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
Why, for the love of Eris, does anyone get a job in corporate America and expect anything more than the lowest wages they can get by with and the least useful management they can survive with?
There are corporations that are different, but those should be refreshing surprises. If you interview at WalMart or Starbucks or any other Major Retail Corporation... EXPECT THEM TO TRY TO FUCK YOU.
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
This.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 23, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
If you can't unionize, form a Discordian Cabal. That's what we did at the Brookstone shop where I formerly worked. If you can't get more monies, at least get more lulz.
But this even more.
Quote from: LMNO on March 23, 2009, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 23, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
If you can't unionize, form a Discordian Cabal. That's what we did at the Brookstone shop where I formerly worked. If you can't get more monies, at least get more lulz.
But this even more.
Oh My Eris, YES!
Truthfully, I think most people DO expect Corporate Amurrica to fuck them in the ear. But that doesn't mean they should enjoy it. *shrug* And sad to say that most see the unions as must another way to get fucked. Paying out dues and not getting bupkiss for them.
i lost my virginity at a starbucks. twice.
I'm not sure that each orifice gets it's own "virginity".
Just saying.
That would be a good name for a porn-spoof on The Office.
The Orifice.
Or maybe not.
Quote from: LMNO on March 23, 2009, 07:43:58 PM
I'm not sure that each orifice gets it's own "virginity".
Just saying.
who said it did?
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 23, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
Why, for the love of Eris, does anyone get a job in corporate America and expect anything more than the lowest wages they can get by with and the least useful management they can survive with?
There are corporations that are different, but those should be refreshing surprises. If you interview at WalMart or Starbucks or any other Major Retail Corporation... EXPECT THEM TO TRY TO FUCK YOU.
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
I was drinking the kool aid, not gonna lie. I had heard from friends who worked for the company that it was pretty good (and it can be, if you've got an awesome SM, which I do not). Had I applied at Mal Mart, I would have expected this. I applied at Starbucks and my friend's mom hired me. She said it was awesome, so I trusted her (don't ask me why). Watching her get fired (I really did see her get fired--the DM did it at the store) should have been a wake up call. :P
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 23, 2009, 01:18:52 PM
I had Starbucks this morning. Does this mean I fail. :cry:
Yes.
Quote from: LMNO on March 23, 2009, 07:43:58 PM
I'm not sure that each orifice gets it's own "virginity".
Just saying.
Why not?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 24, 2009, 02:35:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO on March 23, 2009, 07:43:58 PM
I'm not sure that each orifice gets it's own "virginity".
Just saying.
Why not?
if each did i'd have lost my virginity at least 4 times in a starbucks.
somehow, 4.
If they're good enough for Sonic Youth they're good enough for me.
I used to be a barista and owned my own place, so I think I'm qualified to say that Starbucks has completely removed the art of brewing from their success equation. they are the mcdonald's of "gourmet" coffee.
I frequented them for a while for lack of other choices. I occasionally frequent them now when I need a quick shot of something and I can't go to a preferred provider for whatever reason.
there are lots of places who do it better than Starbucks. a lot of the little stands you see on street corners are owned and worked by people who love coffee way more than your average Starbucks employee (or apparently by Starbucks itself, since as a corporation it has solidly moved its offerings into the "mediocre" category).
Ahyup. Starbucks pretty much sucks these days. I trust them with my espresso, if I can't do it at home, because the only local coffee shop they didn't drive out frequently lets their shots die and don't believe me when I tell them 10 seconds is the MAXIMUM that you can let it sit.
yeah, that gets under my skin, too.
seriously, it's not hard.
1. prep your grinds.
2. start steaming.
3. when you hear the milk getting hot, hit the brew button (I'm lucky to have some places that hand-pull, so they do it a little different).
4. watch the goddam crema for fuck's sake, because if you didn't tamp it perfectly it could overbrew.
5. pour everything in quick succession, because if you timed it right, it's all done at once, and if you're any good, you can handle that.
I actually cannot think of a single decent coffee shop
Starbucks - dealt with ITT
Costa - too expensive
Caffe Nero - hit and miss coffee, good service, strange drink sizes, sucky chocolate drinks
The local ones are little better in terms of quality, but are at least more accurately priced.
I'm afraid I may have derailed the thread, I'm sorry. I went off ranting about the departure from the art of brewing, but I kinda feel it's part of the problem with starbucks in general. they've just gone completely corporate, while pretending to be your little neighborhood coffee place, and the people are flocking like sheep while ignoring the locally owned shop 1 block away that serves a better cup (but whose employees face similar problems, for different reasons).
Hey, no worries. :mrgreen:
Agreed, it's really not hard to make a decent latte. I do it like you discussed, Potato, and yet so many others just fail.
It makes me lul that a place like starbucks which exists mainly on the pretence of being a coffee house serves such shitty coffee.
One of my friends got the recipie for frapachinos (or something else I can't spell) and spent one morning handing out free ones outside of a starbucks they built into our local stadium, as luck would have it, some very serious important people from starbucks were being shown there new slave camp retail outlet by the clubs directors. He got very angrly told to get off their property, so he moved 15 yards and set up shop on the pavement.
Quote from: Cain on April 10, 2009, 06:31:33 PM
I actually cannot think of a single decent coffee shop
Starbucks - dealt with ITT
Costa - too expensive
Caffe Nero - hit and miss coffee, good service, strange drink sizes, sucky chocolate drinks
The local ones are little better in terms of quality, but are at least more accurately priced.
Coffee is something that is so simple, it's incredibly easy to fuck up in large amounts.
Quote from: Aufenthatt on April 10, 2009, 07:05:48 PM
It makes me lul that a place like starbucks which exists mainly on the pretence of being a coffee house serves such shitty coffee.
One of my friends got the recipie for frapachinos (or something else I can't spell) and spent one morning handing out free ones outside of a starbucks they built into our local stadium, as luck would have it, some very serious important people from starbucks were being shown there new slave camp retail outlet by the clubs directors. He got very angrly told to get off their property, so he moved 15 yards and set up shop on the pavement.
I believe it's "frappuchino." Either way, it's a shitty drink. :P Reeeevolting amounts of high fructose corn syrup. I hope they didn't chase your friend for the recipe source--that's potentially corporate espionage charges right there.
Kudos to him though.
LMNO, I have no idea how people screw it up either. I'm still not very picky about my coffee (unless it's Kona, in which case it damn well better be 100% Kona and fresh) so I don't give a shit about filtered water or grind, unless its espresso or Turkish, and I'll drink day old coffee. And yet, people still manage to give me sludge in a cup. Ugh. Brunt coffee or espresso is the WORST.
At this point, I just say fuckit and brew it cold, since you pretty much can't screw that up and it tastes better anyway. Hell, I can drink the boldest Indonesian coffee* black if I cold brew it.
*Bold Indonesian coffee (ie Sumatra) tastes like an ashtray.
I don't drink coffee, but I do get a buzz walking into small coffee houses run by hippies and ordering "frappuchino"s just to watch the discusted looks.
Aufenthatt
Both discusting and contributing to the counter culture since 1673
Quote from: Aufenthatt on April 10, 2009, 08:24:21 PM
I don't drink coffee, but I do get a buzz walking into small coffee houses run by hippies and ordering "frappuchino"s just to watch the discusted looks.
you're a horrible person.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 23, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
Or the last 150 years.
Quote from: Epimetheus on April 11, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 23, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
Or the last 150 years.
woah, long time no see epi. wb.
Starbucks sucks because the espresso is WEAK!! it is nothing but over priced, brown water, a triple shot of proper espresso should make your fingers tingle like an electric current is running through them, it should cause erratic and uncontrolled darting of the eyes, it should be felt from your hair follicles to the tips of your toes, a proper espresso should be a religious communion ...
Quote from: fomenter on April 12, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
a proper espresso should be a religious communion ...
goddamit YES!!!
Quote from: fomenter on April 12, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Starbucks sucks because the espresso is WEAK!! it is nothing but over priced, brown water, a triple shot of proper espresso should make your fingers tingle like an electric current is running through them, it should cause erratic and uncontrolled darting of the eyes, it should be felt from your hair follicles to the tips of your toes, a proper espresso should be a religious communion ...
Expresso is garbage, anywhere.
i have never bought one that wasn't garbage,
properly made good quality espresso is a different thing
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
i have never bought one that wasn't garbage,
properly made good quality espresso is a different thing an impossibility.
Fixed.
(http://www.illyusa.com/wcsstore/IllyUS/images/catalog/Coffee/home_espresso_dark_220x200.jpg) + (http://www.illyusa.com/wcsstore/IllyUS/images/catalog/espresso-machines/pasquini_livietta_143x130.jpg) = a good espresso
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
blasphemy!
freshly roasted beans in the hands of a real barista cannot be topped.
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
blasphemy!
freshly roasted beans in the hands of a overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag cannot be topped worth the price.
try illy made in a proper machine and get back to me,
i strand by my claim that i have never bought good espresso and that it is all crap in comparison,
some may be OK in comparison to Starbucks but it would be hard not to be....
fomenter = coffee snob
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 02:15:51 AM
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
blasphemy!
freshly roasted beans in the hands of a overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag cannot be topped worth the price.
try illy made in a proper machine and get back to me,
i strand by my claim that i have never bought good espresso and that it is all crap in comparison,
some may be OK in comparison to Starbucks but it would be hard not to be....
fomenter = coffee snob
potato = former barista with really high standards.
tried illy. tried samples from roasters all over the country looking for the best beans. found them, perfected my brew, then set up shop.
my standard for espresso is batdorf and bronson, washington, circa 1985.
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 02:15:51 AM
i strand by my claim that i have never bought good espresso and that it is all crap in comparison
I'm not questioning your claim, btw. people who know how to brew are pretty rare.
I have to admit I've only traveled in the US, so can't compare espresso here to what you can get in france or germany, for instance.
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 03:29:38 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 02:15:51 AM
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
blasphemy!
freshly roasted beans in the hands of a overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag cannot be topped worth the price.
try illy made in a proper machine and get back to me,
i strand by my claim that i have never bought good espresso and that it is all crap in comparison,
some may be OK in comparison to Starbucks but it would be hard not to be....
fomenter = coffee snob
potato = former barista with really high standards.
tried illy. tried samples from roasters all over the country looking for the best beans. found them, perfected my brew, then set up shop.
my standard for espresso is batdorf and bronson, washington, circa 1985.
"Barista"?
Look, I want a fucking COFFEE. Maybe even one of those frou-frou Coffees they invented in France on a day where they weren't feeling as full of fail as usual.
So I go to the coffee shop, and I ask the jerk there for a fucking Coffee. I don't talk to a "barista", whatever the fuck THAT is. I talk to the fucking COFFEE JERK, just like 50 years ago, I would have talked to the SODA JERK.
And what the FUCK is this bullshit about "standards for expresso"? It's a fucking COFFEE. Jesus H Christ.
maybe they don't have baristas where you live, Rev.
is expresso a coffee jerk thing?
:D maybe someday i will stumble into a coffee shop with your "standards" potato, but i am not holding my breath, selling large volumes of brown swill at a high price is the industry standard and overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag working for minimum wage is the "barista" in most coffee shops
the good stuff is made by people that like coffee and make it for themselves
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 03:43:24 AM
selling large volumes of brown swill at a high price is the industry standard and overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag working for minimum wage is the "barista" in most coffee shops
the good stuff is made by people that like coffee and make it for themselves
agreed, fomenter! it's a sad decline in civilization, IMO.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 12, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on April 11, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 23, 2009, 03:23:46 PM
If you don't expect them to treat you like shit, you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years.
Or the last 150 years.
woah, long time no see epi. wb.
Yeah, thanks.
Undiluted cold-brewed coffee or GTFO.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2009, 03:35:13 AM
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 03:29:38 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 02:15:51 AM
Quote from: potato on April 13, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: fomenter on April 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
i will concede that once you have had the above combination all else is crap in comparison...
blasphemy!
freshly roasted beans in the hands of a overly tattooed and face pierced hipster douche bag cannot be topped worth the price.
try illy made in a proper machine and get back to me,
i strand by my claim that i have never bought good espresso and that it is all crap in comparison,
some may be OK in comparison to Starbucks but it would be hard not to be....
fomenter = coffee snob
potato = former barista with really high standards.
tried illy. tried samples from roasters all over the country looking for the best beans. found them, perfected my brew, then set up shop.
my standard for espresso is batdorf and bronson, washington, circa 1985.
"Barista"?
Look, I want a fucking COFFEE. Maybe even one of those frou-frou Coffees they invented in France on a day where they weren't feeling as full of fail as usual.
So I go to the coffee shop, and I ask the jerk there for a fucking Coffee. I don't talk to a "barista", whatever the fuck THAT is. I talk to the fucking COFFEE JERK, just like 50 years ago, I would have talked to the SODA JERK.
And what the FUCK is this bullshit about "standards for expresso"? It's a fucking COFFEE. Jesus H Christ.
"Barista" is the pretentious, stupid-ass name for yes, a coffee jerk. It makes them feel better about their ass, pitiful little jobs so let them have it.
Sorry, Potato. What you did is better than a coffee jerk sort of thing.
Quote from: NeT@uNGr0t on April 13, 2009, 07:48:37 AM
Undiluted cold-brewed coffee or GTFO.
AMEN.
Espresso is good, if done right. Starbucks machines fuck it up, and it's better if you brew it at home.
Laughtrack
-Quitting Starbucks today and perfectly content to grind her own cheapo beans.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2009, 03:35:13 AM
"Barista"?
Look, I want a fucking COFFEE. Maybe even one of those frou-frou Coffees they invented in France on a day where they weren't feeling as full of fail as usual.
So I go to the coffee shop, and I ask the jerk there for a fucking Coffee. I don't talk to a "barista", whatever the fuck THAT is. I talk to the fucking COFFEE JERK, just like 50 years ago, I would have talked to the SODA JERK.
And what the FUCK is this bullshit about "standards for expresso"? It's a fucking COFFEE. Jesus H Christ.
In Portland, "barista" is the word for "coffee jerk", although 17 years ago when I was one, we called ourselves "coffee jerks" to be hip and funny.
goddammit its weird how much we have in common.
I know, we even have the same momma! it's crazy
Write a book about your plight.
I really don't care, you work there, its your fault.
I didn't care when it was:
(http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/1905/image/jungle.jpg)
Quote from: Penumbral on April 17, 2009, 07:20:31 PM
Write a book about your plight.
I really don't care, you work there, its your fault.
I didn't care when it was:
(http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/1905/image/jungle.jpg)
You're obnoxious.
A) Books have already been written
B)
1. Why the hell did you read the post if you don't care?
2. I no longer work there
C) See B.1
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 18, 2009, 06:54:22 PM
You're obnoxious.
A) Books have already been written
B)
1. Why the hell did you read the post if you don't care?
2. I no longer work there
C) See B.1
I am hard pressed to find much of anything I care about yet I like to read.
I do care about not letting myself be controlled by something that I am only doing for a compromise anyway, such as my job. I make great money, and I have a lot of freedom where I work. However I refuse to let my need for comfort and money control my actions, and I will not allow myself to compromise my livelihood (which comes neither from work or money) for a job. Any job.
If one day I loose that determination, and do lie down and allow myself to be taken advantage of by a organization I am helping by working for, then on that day I hope I can be introspective and realize I had a choice in the matter. Just because I chose the less confrontational, and in reality easier, path I still have no reason to bitch about it. How can I in good conscious bitch about something I chose?
I am glad to hear you don't work there. I wish you the best on future job searches.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 18, 2009, 06:54:22 PM
You're obnoxious.
A) Books have already been written
B)
1. Why the hell did you read the post if you don't care?
2. I no longer work there
C) See B.1
I am hard pressed to find much of anything I care about yet I like to read.
Save it for when there's something really worth commenting about, then, yes?
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:04:49 PM
...I make great money, and I have a lot of freedom where I work. However I refuse to let my need for comfort and money control my actions, and I will not allow myself to compromise my livelihood (which comes neither from work or money) for a job. Any job.
Bully for you. You must have some sort of skill that allows you to do that--I can't. My skills are coffee jerk and sales. Dime-a-fucking-dozen. You gotta take the shit until you can either afford an umbrella or get to throw the shit yourself.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:04:49 PM
If one day I loose that determination, and do lie down and allow myself to be taken advantage of by a organization I am helping by working for, then on that day I hope I can be introspective and realize I had a choice in the matter. Just because I chose the less confrontational, and in reality easier, path I still have no reason to bitch about it. How can I in good conscious bitch about something I chose?
*You* can afford to say that sort of thing. *You* can preach from on high. *I'm* trying to pay for school. There's only so much someone in my position can do. Again, coffee jerks and sales people are a dime a dozen. I'm good, but I'm not Eris's gift to the industry (or not yet). My options are limited. Yours don't sound like they are--or at least to the degree that mine are.
I left when things got bad and I'm pretty happy so far in my new job--I sort games and play Street Fighter and I sell consoles (but mostly I sort and I play). I didn't take the shit for any longer then it took to realize how bad it had gotten and to find a new job.
It was a decent job up until the last manager--I wasn't high enough corporate shit hit me very much, but I still got decent money. I liked what I did. And then the recession sent the company spinning into hell so I left.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:04:49 PMI am glad to hear you don't work there. I wish you the best on future job searches.
Thank you.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 19, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
Save it for when there's something really worth commenting about, then, yes?
I feel that this has become a constructive conversation. I do not regret my comment.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 19, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
Bully for you. You must have some sort of skill that allows you to do that--I can't. My skills are coffee jerk and sales. Dime-a-fucking-dozen. You gotta take the shit until you can either afford an umbrella or get to throw the shit yourself.
Fair point. It is not some special skill as much as luck and perseverance, but that in no way negates your point. Also I really didn't mean for that to be any bit of a focal point about my argument, or any sort of brag. I was trying to precurs that, yes I do speak from a place of privilege in the matter, and I see that, so I will try to keep *that* bias out of it as much as possible.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 19, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
*You* can afford to say that sort of thing. *You* can preach from on high. *I'm* trying to pay for school. There's only so much someone in my position can do. Again, coffee jerks and sales people are a dime a dozen. I'm good, but I'm not Eris's gift to the industry (or not yet). My options are limited. Yours don't sound like they are--or at least to the degree that mine are.
I left when things got bad and I'm pretty happy so far in my new job--I sort games and play Street Fighter and I sell consoles (but mostly I sort and I play). I didn't take the shit for any longer then it took to realize how bad it had gotten and to find a new job.
I do apologise I in no way intended to compare you to me. Just over a year ago I worked in a hellhole of a mall paying for school (I refuse loans.) It was hell, and when I got to the point where I would complain and I felt used I left. (just like it seems you did. Now I suppose I am comparing you and me.) After that I got extremely sick, and ran from state to state trying to find a place I could be ok with. It was awful, I ate poorly, and basically lived where I could. All I was getting at was for me I could deal with that situation a lot better then I could deal with giving myself up to a corporation that I felt devalued me. I could have made a choice to stay, I just feel that if I make such a choice I should no longer complain about it seeing as how I am willingly there. After discussing this we seem to be around the same page, just poor at understanding each other.
But I did find something I like and do well at. If I hadn't I am sure I would still be on the road.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 19, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
It was a decent job up until the last manager--I wasn't high enough corporate shit hit me very much, but I still got decent money. I liked what I did. And then the recession sent the company spinning into hell so I left.
I understood your original complaint differently. I am completely behind this course of action.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 19, 2009, 08:51:16 AM
Thank you.
You are welcome, and I meant it.
All right then, lol. We are on the same page, now. :)
What exactly is it that you do?
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 20, 2009, 07:18:01 AM
All right then, lol. We are on the same page, now. :)
What exactly is it that you do?
Bartend at a really cool small cafe/bar/theatre.
Neat!