Hey, I just read the PD and found it interesting in many respects, I was looking to delve a bit deeper into Discordianism, read interpretations texts perhaps, or texts about it in general, perhaps one about 'practical Discordianism' (if such a thing is possible, I'm still debating myself about that).
I also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Hey, I just read the PD and found it interesting in many respects, I was looking to delve a bit deeper into Discordianism, read interpretations texts perhaps, or texts about it in general, perhaps one about 'practical Discordianism' (if such a thing is possible, I'm still debating myself about that).
I also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?board=17.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?board=9.0
Also (you have to reg):
http://www.poee.co.uk/boards/index.php?board=12.0
http://www.poee.co.uk/boards/index.php?board=15.0
Also,
The Book of the Subgenius
Revelation X
The Bobliophon
http://subgenius.com
Anything by Robert Anton Wilson, particularly The Schoedinger's Cat Trilogy, The Cosmic Trigger 1 & 2, and - if you're a masochist - The Illuminatus Trilogy.
The collected works of the Pastafarians.
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 04:28:15 AMI also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
You want one truly reliable source for all things discordian?
I think that by it's very nature would be non-discordian.
What if you are right and Summa Discordia is too deeply enmeshed in the Eristic Illusion...why is that a problem? Maybe It means that it's not a good source for you but is for someone else.
I personally have found it very interesting to compare and contrast between different discordian writings.
What if something like Summa is what is useful for someone to wake up out of their own version of Aneristic Hell? It may not do the trick for you, and I'm certain that not every aspect of it is fully true. I'm fine with that.
There are lots of different ways to stimulate a paradigm shift, to come to the point of seeing the prison of our own perspective for what it is, a prison, and to accept that and move on, and to develop the ability to shift to different perspectives and see the world thru different prison bars as needed.
Or not.
Would the subgenius and pastafarians, being different religions, not have different philosophies? I was looking for, like, explanations and general theorising about Discordian concepts.
Also, I read the 'List of Discordian books' (or similar title) thread at the top and they were saying that there's no point in reading RAW, is that bogus?
Thirdly, in that same thread, I got this list:
QuoteThe Summa
The Apocrypha
The Zenarchist CookBook
The Book of Eris
The Metaclysmia Discordia
The Wise Book of Baloney
The Apotheosis Psychoerotica
The Principia Entropius
Memoirs of a Daydreamer
The Jonesboria Discordia
A Pocket full of Chaos
I read the first one, The Summa and that made me doubt the worth of the rest. What would you say?
Thanks for the info.
Ale: Yeah, ok, if I see someone for whom I think the Summa will be useful, I'll recommend it, but I was looking for what I said I was looking for, I'd be happy to discuss the worth or ortherwise of the Summa in a seperate thread.
raw is worth reading
talking about his writing with gushing fanboy enthusiasm is considered "tired and flame worthy" around here but most like and respect the mans work..
Quote from: Ale on May 05, 2009, 04:55:16 AM
You want one truly reliable source for all things discordian?
I think that by it's very nature would be non-discordian.
A request for further reading material is not an invitation to be a pedantic prick.
Just saying.
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 05:01:26 AM
Would the subgenius and pastafarians, being different religions, not have different philosophies?
Not really. They're just a different way of looking at the same thing.
You could kinda group Discordians, Subgenii, Pastafarians, and Last Thursdayists together as the Asshat religion.
Also, like 2 guys from The Church of Google.
Quote from: fomenter on May 05, 2009, 05:06:10 AM
raw is worth reading
talking about his writing with gushing fanboy enthusiasm is considered "tired and flame worthy" around here but most like and respect the mans work..
He couldn't finish a book to save his fat ass, but the first 2/3rds are always good.
why on earth would anyone want to know MORE about those horrible Discordians?
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 05:01:26 AMI was looking for, like, explanations and general theorising about Discordian concepts.
Perhaps you missed the point?
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Hey, I just read the PD and found it interesting in many respects, I was looking to delve a bit deeper into Discordianism, read interpretations texts perhaps, or texts about it in general, perhaps one about 'practical Discordianism' (if such a thing is possible, I'm still debating myself about that).
I also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
Also, there's http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 05, 2009, 05:25:01 AM
Quote from: Ale on May 05, 2009, 04:55:16 AM
You want one truly reliable source for all things discordian?
I think that by it's very nature would be non-discordian.
A request for further reading material is not an invitation to be a pedantic prick.
Just saying.
Thank you for pointing it out to me. Wasn't my intent to come across that way; I just don't think discordianism works that way and I was trying to point that out in my own stupid way.
That seems to be why there are now about 20 different "source" material links in this thread.
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Hey, I just read the PD and found it interesting in many respects, I was looking to delve a bit deeper into Discordianism, read interpretations texts perhaps, or texts about it in general, perhaps one about 'practical Discordianism' (if such a thing is possible, I'm still debating myself about that).
I also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
www.blackironprison.com
GO CRAZY!!!!
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Hey, I just read the PD and found it interesting in many respects, I was looking to delve a bit deeper into Discordianism, read interpretations texts perhaps, or texts about it in general, perhaps one about 'practical Discordianism' (if such a thing is possible, I'm still debating myself about that).
For a more historical account of Discordia and counterculture, I'd recommend The Prankster and the Conspiracy by Adam Gorightly... it's a biography of Kerry Thornley (Lord Omar) and talks quite a bit about the original theater of Discordia.
QuoteI also read the Summa Discordia but alot of it seems to contradict the PD, seems to fall victim to the Eristic illusion nearly completely. Perhaps there's something which stays true to the teachings of the PD, if one might call them that?
I don't consider the PD a "holy book" in any sense. It's just a book about Discordia. A very important one. But it's not THE book on Discordia. So accordance with the PD shouldn't be a litmus test for what's a "Discordian work".
The Illuminatus! Trilogy (by RAW) is many people's first brush with Our Lady Eris. I consider it a bit dated, but it does invoke some of the paranoia and uncertainty that makes me think of Discordia :)
The Apocrypha Discordia is also very much in the spirit of the PD. That one's good reading too.
I recommend the Wise Book of Baloney.
I recommend meatspin.com
oh yeah, also http://www.principiadiscordia.com/goatse (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/goatse)
The only strictly Discordian book I've read is the PD, besides the stuff that has been created here. I also read the Subgenius book which I thought was a good companion in some respects, and the Gospel of FSM, which I thought was kind of lame actually.
Anyway, my point being, what I found helpful was that the PD kind of got the thought juices flowing, and then just hanging around here and bouncing ideas off these spags helped further "educate" me. But, I suppose that might not work for everyone.
In my opinion, Discordians learn more about their ideas by writing and doing, rather than reading. Old Bob wrote The Illuminatus Trilogy thinking he and Bob Shea would have a bit of fun and make some cash... yet, by the end of it, they both felt that the biggest success was how they learned more about our Lady's madness through the DOING.
The same might be said for Lord Omar, Malaclypse the Younger, Camden Benares and all the spags that contributed to the early days of Discordia's Return. Jakeing, Pranking, etc. and the Principia was fallout from their active invocation of She What Done It All....
Also, keep in mind that the Principia Discordia is
a view of Discordia as put forth by POEE, as envisioned by the Joshua Norton Cabal. That doesn't mean it tells us what Discordianism is... only what POEE Discordianism, as envisioned by the Joshua Norton Cabal ... is. That being said, I personally think its still the best overall introduction into Discordianism. Fnord.
The ELF (Erisian Liberation Front) for example, held very different views of Discordianism than did the POEE. The ELF often directed by Lord Omar felt that Discordianism was all about mindfucking the rest of the planet...
Quote from: Uncle AlIt is disgusting to have to spend one's life jetting dirt in the face of the British public in the hope that in washing it they may wash off the acrid grease of their commercialism, the saline streaks of their hypocritical tears, the putrid perspiration of their morality, the dribbling slobber of their sentimentality and their religion. And they don't wash it!
Uncle Al wasn't a 'Discordian' per se, since he died before the PD was released... but he was a Discordian in some sense.
There are many sorts of Discordians. Some Discordians hold no belief in anything. Some Discordians see belief systems as temporary games of order and disorder, which they're free to play with at will. Some Discordians are atheists, some Discordians make fun of those atheists which they see as afflicted by the curse of Greyface and being a Hunchbrained Cabbage. Some Discordians play in the mystical realm of esoteric models, while others sit squarely in the 21st century, spagging it up on IRC and PD.com. Some never do explain.
There is only one place where you can really find out what Discordianism is ALL about. Experience... and consulting your pineal gland.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15658.msg496143#msg496143 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15658.msg496143#msg496143)
Go read some Filippo Marinetti. That motherfucker was off his rocker.
Zang Tum Tum might be a good choice.
Quote from: Ratatosk on May 05, 2009, 04:08:38 PM
There is only one place where you can really find out what Discordianism is ALL about. Experience... and consulting your pineal gland.
That's the real thing though isn't it. Many people have trouble learning how to consult their pineal gland. Personally beer and weed helps put me in the right state of mind to go delving into the deep recesses of my own perverted mind. But drugs are only one way to get into what I like to call the "zone". In the end you have to try some sort of method or another before you find the right mixture for yourself, meditation works for some, while seeing a good jake pulled off masterfully will help others reach that happy place. It's mostly trial and error until you get it...then it all makes sense in a blinding flash and Eris may even personally congratulate you herself if she isn't too busy doing what ever it is she does most days. Just my two cents from a novice poster...please go easy on me guys.
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
You are such a useless fucking bag of douche.
Quote from: Hoopla on May 05, 2009, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
You are such a useless fucking bag of douche.
NO U
Let me guess... HP Lovecraft used too many semicolons?
Thanks guys for all the suggestions. Right now I'm reading Cat's Cradle, thought I should take a wee break from two days staight of Discordian reading. I think I'll go to the BIP after that, perhaps then the Apocrypha, then start asking questions.
What do you mean when you say 'DO' and you will learn? Pranking, Mindfucking? They seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos. And I plan to start 'writing' soon, once I get a firmer idea of what I actually think about all this.
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
You're letting your mom rule your mu
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
cthulu has cycled around and is no longer a horrible cliche, its vintage(again), thats due to that abhorrent zalog shit.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that all pranking is malicious. This is, of course, not the case.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
Yup.
I don't know how to be, how to exist, without putting my grid on how I view the world. I think that is inescapable. The only thing that I know of that simulates it is developing the ability to swap grids, which I've done and continue to do.
But I think that is really just a grid of a different sort, as it were.
The naked truth at least for me is that I was happy in my ordered little world. It fell apart(funny how chaos always seems to impinge on and disrupt the little pieces of order I try to make for myself). Chaos kinda sucks, but unfortunately it seems to be all we have.
I don't know if discordianism is right any more than any other way of dealing with life, but it is interesting and it allows for some of the stupid shit that doesn't seem to me to work otherwise.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 05, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
why on earth would anyone want to know MORE about those horrible Discordians?
Easier to round 'em all u...oshit.
Oh, and fuck the "Eristic/Aneristic illusion".
I'll keep my bitter, bitter reality.
Venomously yours,
TGRR
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
Hmm... I'm not entirely sure what your concept of "mindfuck" is but it doesn't seem to match TOO many of ours. If my "mindfuck" gets giggles out of passing strangers I'm pretty satisfied.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface.
Saying one thing is a part of another thing is a form of categorization, JSYK.
But why are you so worked up about whether something is eristic or aneristic or not? I can't imagine how you can enjoy being a discordian if you're always checking to make sure that you're acting the way a REAL discordian should act.
Quote from: GA on May 06, 2009, 04:29:14 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface.
Saying one thing is a part of another thing is a form of categorization, JSYK.
But why are you so worked up about whether something is eristic or aneristic or not? I can't imagine how you can enjoy being a discordian if you're always checking to make sure that you're acting the way a REAL discordian should act.
I even poop Discordian. No, really. All of my turds look like Kerry Thornley, only bigger.
Quote from: Hoopla on May 05, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
Let me guess... HP Lovecraft used too many semicolons?
Nah, I love Lovecraft. That graphic as a forum icon on a Discordian forum is just so obvious. It hurts.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AMI'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better'
I'm sure a lot of people on this board totally agree with you that this is not what a mindfuck should be about.
For illustration, check out some of the threads in the O:MF subforum and observe how quite some malicious pranks are shot down for simply being about giving someone a shitty day for no apparent reason at all, without merit.
that's not mindfucking, that's being a dick.
if you want to be a dick, there are some flavours of atheism out there that can provide that service.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 06, 2009, 06:57:00 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 05, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
Let me guess... HP Lovecraft used too many semicolons?
Nah, I love Lovecraft. That graphic as a forum icon on a Discordian forum is just so obvious. It hurts.
much like your posting
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PM
What do you mean when you say 'DO' and you will learn? Pranking, Mindfucking? They seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos. And I plan to start 'writing' soon, once I get a firmer idea of what I actually think about all this.
Maybe you can ask Cram to bump the thread where he talks about mindfucks. I know I don't want to go looking for it.
I just want to say that you do seem to have a point, when you mindfuck for no reason other than to goad people.
It seems the original intent of O:MF was to restore balance... They were doing their part to escalate Disorder, to balance the imposition of order that they saw around them. "Make everyone's day a little weirder; show them that the Universe is a much stranger place than they could ever hope to understand."
Chapter 2 of the
Chao te Ching:
When the people of the world all know Order as Order,
there arises the recognition of Disorder.
When they all know there is such a thing as Illusion,
there arises the idea of Reality.
Therefore Order and Disorder produce each other,
Reality and Illusion trick each other,
Authority and Freedom define each other,
Love and Hate fuck each other.
So the wise spags look for the balance,
And stick their wrench into the Machine™.
They organize, but they do not Order.
They break apart, but they do not Disorder.
They act, but they Keep Their Fucking Mouths Shut.
And so are able to act again.
That said, some people are jerks and deserve to be endlessy antagonized.
For instance, I am going to start a new blog who's express purpose is to expose, document and ridicule the doings of Europe's new crop of Nazis.
The methodology is pretty similar, but the aim and deservedness of the target are where the variance come in.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
QuoteIf you can master nonsense as well as you have already learned to master sense, then each will expose the other for what it is: absurdity. From that moment of illumination, a man begins to be free regardless of his surroundings. He becomes free to play order games and change them at will. He becomes free to play disorder games just for the hell of it. He becomes free to play neither or both. And as the master of his own games, he plays without fear, and therefore without frustration, and therefore with good will in his soul and love in his being.
The Aneristic and Eristic delusions appear to be tied to people REALLY THINKING that everything IS order or disorder... Discordians, on the other hand can play with both as they Will.
Chapter 8:
The best are like the Chao.
It balances the Order and the Disorder;
The escalation of Disorder,
And the impositon of Order,
Each adds to the other.
As they live,
And as they travel,
They see the world as others would see Illusion.
Be the Illusion Eristic,
Or be it Aneristic,
They strive to complete the balance.
It's not their fault that the Aneristic works overtime.
that chapter + that avatar = work of art
From now on, I want everyone to read my posts as if it were being said by CAPTAIN CHAOS!
I have no idea who Dom is playing right there, but he's now the wise Zenarchist sage of my heart
and all your posts sound like he's reading them out loud
Quote from: Cramulus on May 06, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
I have no idea who Dom is playing right there, but he's now the wise Zenarchist sage of my heart
and all your posts sound like he's reading them out loud
You never saw Cannonball Run?
For SHAME!
How could you not know Captain Chaos? :eek:
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Dalta on May 05, 2009, 11:31:37 PMThey seem like Eristic Illusions, praising disorder over order when both are actually the same and just serve to cover up the underlying chaos.
Categorizing everything into Eristic Illusion/Aneristic Illusion is part of the Aneristic Illusion. Just saying.
You're letting your Pental rule your Pomal.
I'm not categorising everything, I'm looking at the mindfucking and stuff and it seems to clearly be part of the Curse of Greyface. E.g.: 'omigod, omigod, fucking cabbages, gotta mindfuck them, gotta fuck with them, order/christianity/conservatism is bullshit, gotta win, gotta show them I'm better', blah blah blah, generally taking life a bit too seriously and not seeing it for the pure chaos that it is.
Putting their grid of 'Discordianism is right' onto the chaos, as it were.
Further Thoughts...
Order and Disorder are illusions, much like lunchtime. However, many people perceive ONLY Order as creative and right, while they see Disorder as destructive and wrong. That is the Aneristic Delusion: "The Universe is Ordered. All is ordered. Order is best/correct"
Order and Disorder are illusions, much like lunchtime. However, some Discordians perceive ONLY Disorder as creative and right, while they see Order as destructive and wrong. That is the Eristic Delusion: "The Universe is Disordered. All order is false. Disorder is best/correct"
Both perceive only a small part of the Universe, the ordered bits or the disordered bits. Those plagued with the Aneristic delusion are often grey and boring cabbages. Those plagued with the Eristic delusion are often pink and boring Pinealists. Pranks, Jakes, Mindfucks are useful against both. The idea of pranks, jakes and mindfucks are not usually to say "You are WRONG, I am RIGHT". Rather, a good mindfuck/jake/prank should make the individual consider/perceive/realize something new, something they may not have experienced before, piercing the veil that once clouded their sight. It may not support order over disorder or disorder over order... it may simply excite the imagination of some poor Cabbage in the Land of Thud.
In the land of Oz, there were those under the Wizardic Illusion. They believed in a powerful Wizard who ruled the Emerald City. In the land of Oz, there were those under the Awizardic Illusion. They were too busy hiding from the Witch, to worry about the Wizard. Discordians sometimes play the part of Toto, pulling back the curtain to show the sham. Sometimes they are like the Gatekeeper and his Horse of a Different Color, exposing people to concepts they may not have had before. Sometimes, they are like The Good Reverend Roger and crap flying monkeys out of their arse.
However, pranks, jakes and mindfucks are historically the domain of the Erisian Liberation Front and the Leigon of Dynamic Discord. Not all Discordians interact with Discordianism in that way. Lord Omar K. Ravenhurst was a proponent of this sort of Discordianism, while Malaclypse the Younger was much more interested in Mindfucking himself... thus the rise of the POEE, an esoteric self-mindfuck. Omar's impact on the world was in confusing the hell out of other people, encouraging them to think more like him. On the other hand, Mal-2 began as a hardcore atheist and mindfucked himself out of that singular viewpoint because of his personal experiences as a Discordian. Both are Discordian. Both are Acrtive.
Its a question of application, do you apply Erisian Delights to others, yourself or both? Do you play with the world of existing things, ordering them and disordering them at will, or do you accept only one view of reality? One view, be it Eristic or Aneristic seems sad and lonely and lame to me. The ability to play with both, either by themselves or together, seems much more enjoyable. If you don't want to Mindfuck someone else, Mindfuck yourself. :transmet:
i say that there is :mittens: worthy ratataosk
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:judge:
Quote from: 'Ale'
I don't know if discordianism is right any more than any other way of dealing with life, but it is interesting and it allows for some of the stupid shit that doesn't seem to me to work otherwise.
That's the meaning I got out of the PD too, I think you have got the meaning, but all interpretations are equally meaningless.
Quote from: 'GA'Saying one thing is a part of another thing is a form of categorization, JSYK.
I meant the emphasis to be on 'everything', but in any case, categorising to me implies that I'm one thing is that and that's it. I was actually saying that parts of the Summa seemed to me to fall victim to the Eristic Illusion, I wasn't making any grand proclamations or anything.
Quote from: 'GA'But why are you so worked up about whether something is eristic or aneristic or not? I can't imagine how you can enjoy being a discordian if you're always checking to make sure that you're acting the way a REAL discordian should act.
Dunno how the emotion comes over in a thread post, but I'm not 'worked up' and second, I'm not a 'discordian', I read the principia and find some of it's ideas interesting, I want to find out more. But less 'Summa'-ish and more 'Principia'-ish. That's all.
Quote from: 'Ratatosk'Both perceive only a small part of the Universe, the ordered bits or the disordered bits. Those plagued with the Aneristic delusion are often grey and boring cabbages. Those plagued with the Eristic delusion are often pink and boring Pinealists. Pranks, Jakes, Mindfucks are useful against both. The idea of pranks, jakes and mindfucks are not usually to say "You are WRONG, I am RIGHT". Rather, a good mindfuck/jake/prank should make the individual consider/perceive/realize something new, something they may not have experienced before, piercing the veil that once clouded their sight. It may not support order over disorder or disorder over order... it may simply excite the imagination of some poor Cabbage in the Land of Thud. [/quote
I'm gonna check out the Mindfuck forums and see what the story is there, see what I got wrong, if anything and then I'm also gonna read some more, but I expect I'll come back to this topic at some stage, so I'll see you all there when I do.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 09:52:09 PM
Quote from: 'Ale'
I don't know if discordianism is right any more than any other way of dealing with life, but it is interesting and it allows for some of the stupid shit that doesn't seem to me to work otherwise.
That's the meaning I got out of the PD too, I think you have got the meaning, but all interpretations are equally meaningless.
Quote from: 'GA'Saying one thing is a part of another thing is a form of categorization, JSYK.
I meant the emphasis to be on 'everything', but in any case, categorising to me implies that I'm one thing is that and that's it. I was actually saying that parts of the Summa seemed to me to fall victim to the Eristic Illusion, I wasn't making any grand proclamations or anything.
Quote from: 'GA'But why are you so worked up about whether something is eristic or aneristic or not? I can't imagine how you can enjoy being a discordian if you're always checking to make sure that you're acting the way a REAL discordian should act.
Dunno how the emotion comes over in a thread post, but I'm not 'worked up' and second, I'm not a 'discordian', I read the principia and find some of it's ideas interesting, I want to find out more. But less 'Summa'-ish and more 'Principia'-ish. That's all.
Quote from: 'Ratatosk'Both perceive only a small part of the Universe, the ordered bits or the disordered bits. Those plagued with the Aneristic delusion are often grey and boring cabbages. Those plagued with the Eristic delusion are often pink and boring Pinealists. Pranks, Jakes, Mindfucks are useful against both. The idea of pranks, jakes and mindfucks are not usually to say "You are WRONG, I am RIGHT". Rather, a good mindfuck/jake/prank should make the individual consider/perceive/realize something new, something they may not have experienced before, piercing the veil that once clouded their sight. It may not support order over disorder or disorder over order... it may simply excite the imagination of some poor Cabbage in the Land of Thud.
I'm gonna check out the Mindfuck forums and see what the story is there, see what I got wrong, if anything and then I'm also gonna read some more, but I expect I'll come back to this topic at some stage, so I'll see you all there when I do.
The Mindfuck forums are still just some examples of how some Discordians go about some Mindfucks. Remember, this forum is not what Discordians ARE... in fact, I'd wager a lot of Discordians disagree with a lot of the popular opinions here. In fact, we generally disagree with each other a lot. That is also a key bit of Discordianism, YOU ARE an authorized Pope of the Discordian Society. You are infallible in your positions on being Discordian, or on mindfucks, jakes etc.
As long as you remember that the rest of us are also Popes and equally infallible. :transmet:
He's not a Discordian, so its rather moot.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 06, 2009, 06:57:00 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 05, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
Let me guess... HP Lovecraft used too many semicolons?
Nah, I love Lovecraft. That graphic as a forum icon on a Discordian forum is just so obvious. It hurts.
Boo hoo.
Quote from: Dalta on May 06, 2009, 09:52:09 PM
That's the meaning I got out of the PD too, I think you have got the meaning, but all interpretations are equally meaningless.
Okay, so Dalta is just another Dadaist.
Blarg. And I had such high hopes that Dalta was a person.
:rbtg:
QuoteAPPARENTLY I GOT MY SIGNALS CROSSED WITH THE QUOTES
Personally, I never really took to the model of thinking of things as eristic or aneristic. I suppose I see it as more of a
spectrum of aesthetic/anesthetic. Again personally, I find beauty in the strangest places, sometimes in the flaws & always in the unexpected, hence the allure of the chao. I believe there is a potential in defining things out of any possible existence. To me, the beautiful often has something to do with light & movement. &
not wanting to get tangled up in a fog of words, simply this, what moves me to think or feel is beautiful. What numbs me is not. That is all.
See you later. :)
I can't believe I forgot to mention http://intermittens.org/ . It's a irregular periodical collecting current works from various discordians.
If you really want to "delve deeper" into Discordianism, you could do worse than reading what's going on right now, instead of 50 years ago.
Quote from: LMNO on May 07, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
I can't believe I forgot to mention http://intermittens.org/ . It's a irregular periodical collecting current works from various discordians.
"IRREGULAR PERIODICAL"
THAT is the exact phrase I've been searching for
THANK YOU LMNO I WILL SLEEP EASY NOW
I'll send you my bill.
Ale:
please DO NEVAR AGAIN waste the space in my inbox with posts reported to a moderator for fucked up BBcode.
thanks in advance.
WTF?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 07, 2009, 07:34:42 PM
Ale:
please DO NEVAR AGAIN waste the space in my inbox with posts reported to a moderator for fucked up BBcode.
thanks in advance.
Will do. I guarantee it'll never happen again.
lol
OK, seriously, the next person who reports a post because they think it's funny to waste my time and inbox space is gonna find out what I think is funny.
regardless of whether or not I'm IRL friends with you.
yes, I'm looking at YOU yatto.
urge to report post ... rising ... !
Report it to a different forum.
Can I report Cram's urge to report post?
I'm tempted to set up a fwd so that every time a new member registers or when someone reports a post that the email I get is also sent to yatto
I'm feeling confused now. I thought I did something worth doing, then I thought I pissed off the owner of the board, then I thought I didn't.
I'm ok with all of the above, including the confusion, as at times that is a normal state of affairs.
At the very least, I don't want any reports that I might desire to make to be buried in a muddle of shit, and it's no stress to not make them, so problem still solved.
Why would you report fucked up BBS code in the first place?
Quote from: LMNO on May 08, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
Why would you report fucked up BBS code in the first place?
1) I didn't realize it was a major stressor that would phreak people out. I've actually moderated and adminned and sys-adminned on other boards where such reports were either trivially dealt with or totally ignored at the preference of the person receiving the report.
2)It seemed like the thing to do.
3)I'm a phreak about things that look inconsistent to me, and it made things look inconsistent in this thread. It made it look like I said things I didn't when people quoted the fucked up bbcode.
Such is life.
First, at PD.com, mods try to stay the hell out of the way as much as possible. Something as trivial as BBS code is no reason to alert a mod.
Secondly, if you have a problem with someone's post, contact the poster. The mods here are not babysitters or cops, here to take care of other people's problems. They are like vengeful Gods, who destroy a city by flood when the people pray for rain. Do not Wake the Old Ones.
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As far as I'm concerned, screwing up BB Code is about on a par with screwing up spelling or grammar. Its annoying and sometimes makes me wonder how the person actually got it wrong, but see no reason whatsoever to edit someone's post to correct it.
Hmm, now, wait....
When was this post reported? Was it, say, before 11 AM EST yesterday?
And if so, was it to, say TheMGT?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 08, 2009, 06:34:11 PM
Hmm, now, wait....
When was this post reported? Was it, say, before 11 AM EST yesterday?
And if so, was it to, say TheMGT?
We all get the emails. its really annoying
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 08, 2009, 06:34:11 PM
Hmm, now, wait....
When was this post reported? Was it, say, before 11 AM EST yesterday?
That sounds about right, but I'm not 100% sure on the time; I was pretty doped up on migraine meds.
Quote
And if so, was it to, say TheMGT?
It was to whomever receives it when someone clicks the report to moderator link.
Y'all really ought to disable that button so it doesn't display, or even rework it so that it shoves the report into it's own special forum instead of emailing you. That way you can either look at it at your convenience or just ignore it. Either way, your inbox doesn't get spammed, which is a good thing
So, it's YOUR fault I'm getting laid off.
Look, for the sake of humanity, the children, and little puppies everywhere, DO NEVAR PM TheMGT. Thanks.
You know, the month of May was going so well....
And then someone PMs the freakin' MGT.
Don't fuck with the Mgt:
The Mgt:
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Hi to those I misquoted & inconvenienced,
I am really sorry. I can see why a person would be concerned about having someone else's words put in their mouth. I did it unintentionally & didn't pick up on it. Please forgive me. I'll be more mindful in the future. Please let me know if you see something like that again though.
Thanks & respect.
Quote from: Honey on May 08, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Hi to those I misquoted & inconvenienced,
I am really sorry. I can see why a person would be concerned about having someone else's words put in their mouth. I did it unintentionally & didn't pick up on it. Please forgive me. I'll be more mindful in the future. Please let me know if you see something like that again though.
Thanks & respect.
No offense on my end. I'm sorry that this seems blown out of proportion. at this point I'm mostly just enjoying participating in an odd derail.
My OCD tendencies took over for a little while, but I think I'm back on track.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
You didn't really come up with something ELSE to be a snob about... really?
I mean, that's an eye with a fucking GEAR in it in your avatar, could you get any more hackneyed?
Quote from: Nigel on May 09, 2009, 06:22:55 AM
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
You didn't really come up with something ELSE to be a snob about... really?
I mean, that's an eye with a fucking GEAR in it in your avatar, could you get any more hackneyed?
He could have a golden apple in a gear.
Or Deadpool or something.
Or an obese slapstick comic.
Or Sloth.
Or some ugly ventriloquist dummy.
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on May 05, 2009, 09:52:30 PM
If I were to flame you, your forum avatar would come first.
:piss:
anyone notice how prosperity flows when ;91 goes to 3bin isle...