It was suggested to me that I move these topics here instead of their original locations in
Literate Chaotic, So I'm reposting them. Let me know what you think (they're both incomplete/works in progress, by the way): ...
First of All:
Discordian Mantras:QuoteFrom the Desks of Diogenes Syadasti Maharishi Shandor, O.M.
and Bohandas Mohandas Banannafannafofondis:
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The Following are some SubGenius and Discordian mantras, which I have either gathered from various sources (Including five which I've made up myself- The FSM Mantra, the 2 Holy-Grail Mantras, the Discordian-Mantras mantra, and the Obscene Votive Candle mantra). To fully understand the meanings of some of these mantras, it is reccommended that you be familiar with, among other things, The Principia Discordia (Obviously), the Muscial Stylings of DEVO, the musical stylings of The Doktors for "BOB", the films Arise, Let's Visit the World of the Future and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the TV shows Pinky and the Brain and Dr.Who, the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the SubGenius BOB-Songs CDs, and a smattering of French-Canadian profanity* (At least two are based on obscene, religion related, French/Québecois double-entendres). None of these, however, are strictly required. And now, without further ado, the Mantras:
The Bleeding Head Mantra:
"Bleeding Head Good! Healed Head Bad!"
The Arnold Palmer/Head Launching Mantra (may be combined w/ the above):
"Launch the Head; Launch the Head!"
The Universal DEVO-"BOB" Mantra:
"I am "BOB", I am Not "BOB", You are "BOB", We are all "BOB", We are All Devo., We are "BOB""
The Holy Grail Mantra:
"Aauuuuugh" (From the back of the throat)
(hmmm....He must've died while typing it.....)
The Holy Grail Mantra (Expanded):
"Aauuuuugh...San-Gréal Câlise; de la Sacrament de la Sacrifice à Calvaire de la Crisse; à la Tabernac à...Aauuuuugh"
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity))
The J.R. "BOB" Dobbs Mantra:
"You Are J.R. "BOB" Dobbs; You Are Not J.R. "BOB" Dobbs; You Have Always Been J.R. "BOB" Dobbs"
The Sri Syadasti Mantra:
"Sri SYADASTI SYADAVAKTAVYA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADASTI CAVAKTAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVATAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVAKTAVYASCA"
The Root Chakra Mantra:
"Lam"
The Litany of Deevolution (The Jocko-Homo Mantra):
"Are we not men?; We are Devo.; Are We Not Men?; We Are Devo.; Are We Not Pins?; We Are Devo.; Are we Not Men?; We Are Devo.; We Must Repeat; D-E-V-O; We Must Repeat D-E-V-O; We Must Repeat; D-E-V-O; We Must Repeat D-E-V-O."
The Québecois Obscene Votive Candle Mantra:
"Ciarge de la Sacré Ciboire de la Tabernac de la Ostie et Câlise de la Sacrament de la Sacrifice à Calvaire; de la Sang Réal de la Crisse-Dieu fils ****-Un par Baptême et le Plus Crissant le fils de la Viarge :argh!:" (Should be said with a Freach-Canadian Accent)
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity))
The Doktors 4 "BOB" Mantra:
"Heunh..."
The Skaro Mantra:
"Exterminate! Annihilate! Destroy!"
The Mr.Show Mantra:
"The BOB is not a person; The BOB is Pure-Light-And-Energy; He Will Lead Us Out Through Heaven's-Chimney in a Giant, Cigar-Shaped UFO™-Brand Flying-Saucer"
(See BOBsongs 6 track #6)
The B-Movie Mantra:
"It is Film! It is Giant People! Yes, yes you are Watching! No, no you Will Not Forget What You See"
The SubGenius Mantras Mantra:
"Ommmmmm....SubGenius Mantras for Use By Discordians or Members of the Church of the SubGenius...Huenh......"
The Bavarian Illuminati Mantra:
"Fnord :fnord:..."
The mad lab-rat Mantra:
"Narf..."(/ "Zort") (/ "Troz") (/ "Poit")
(May be combined with the Bavarian Illuminati Mantra, the Holy Grail Mantra, the Root Chakra Mantra, the Flying Spaghetti Monster Mantra (see below) and/or the Doktors-4-"BOB" Mantra)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster Mantra:
"Arrr..." (end cycle of chants with the chant "...r-amen...")
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So what do you think?
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If anybody has any other ideas for Discordian or SubGenius mantras, you can post them here, by the way.
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*see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity)
QuoteHow about using the crazy barber's psychotic outburst from episode 9 of "Monty python" as a mantra:
"Razor Razor Razor! Cut! Blood! Spurt! Artery! Murder! Hitchcock! Psycho! (Damn!)"
None of this sissy, 'jewel in the lotus' bullshit :D
QuoteMantra-Bismol
"Nausea Heartburn Indegestion; Upset Stomach, Diarrhea!"
The Ralph Spoilsport Mantra
"Give Me Immortality or Give Me Death"
QuoteThe Nonindecision Mantra:
"Splunge" (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Splunge)
The sacred syllable "Splunge", which signifies (accordfing to monty Python's Flying Circus) "it's a great-idea-but-possibly-not-and-I'm-not-being-indecisive!" and which therefore is a great syllable to all to Sri-Syadasti related mantras
The symbol of The sacred Syllable* (According to cartoonist David Lovelace), appears below:
(http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/4748353/sn/1238890293/name/Splunge.jpg)
*In the manner of the symbol for the syllable "Om"
List of Entities:Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on May 18, 2009, 08:54:48 PM
I've been working on a list of entities from Discordian and SubGenius (and FSMist) mythology, along with short descriptions thereof, for a compiled piece of SubGenius/Discordian mumbo-jumbo which I've been writing called "The Codex Dementia". There already is an annotated list (http://www.poee.org/documents/Other_Religions/Church_of_the_SubGenius/Dictionary_of_the_Gods.htm) of Subgenius entities floating around out there, but it's a bit too cut and dried, whereas in my list, I've done strange things like intentionally conflating Douglas Smith ("Rev.ivan Stang") with Adam Smith and Joseph Smith, postulated that the bullet that killed Kennedy really was "magic" and enhanced by spells from the Honest Book of Truth, and asserted that Rod Sterling introduces The Twilight Zone because he's the herald of NHGH...in addition to giving normal information.
Anyway, here are the entries in the list for which I have already written descriptions (I have a lot more entities which I have not written descriptions for yet which I haven't posted here). What do you think?
Eris K. Discordia: Ancient Greco-Roman goddess of non-military conflict. She is, however, credited with indirectly starting the Trojan War after the other Godesses called upon a mortal prince to settle an argument that Discordia had started with regard to which goddess was the prettiest.
She is credited by her followers, the Discordians, as the creator of the human race, due (in part) to the fact that, as the goddess of non-military conflict, she presides over the process of natural selection (although there are most likely many of her followers who would argue that at least one part of this assertation is incorrect, as is their way). She is also followed due to her ability to shake things up and "stick it to the man" and other such things.
Her numbers are 5 and 23
St.Gulik: A doppelganger of Sri Syadasti who happens to also be a cockroach. One of the five apostles of Discordia
DEVO: A musical group prophesizing the termination of adaptive human evolution and the coming of a period of "De−Evolution" in which all of humanity's genetic adaptations would be lost, as they are replaced by technology and society succumbs to a kind of mediocre decadence
Lee Harvey Oswald: An associate of Mal-2. Acting alone, he assassinated President John F. Kennedy using weapons and ammunition enhanced by spells which he had secretly copied from the Honest Book of Truth... Or possibly he actually stole the entire Honest Book of Truth itself... I don't know for sure (and that's the truth)
The Mi-Go: Alien Fungus−Yetis from beyond Uranus
NHGH: God of bad-luck and misfortune, and of minor inconveniences (and possibly bizarre accidents as well) in particular. There are some who claim that Rod Sterling is his herald (or, well, I claim it at any rate... when I'm at parties... after I've been drinking... if there's anybody there who already knows what the hell I'm talking about.......)
High Att: An entity who is claimed by his followers to be the reincarnation of one of the Earth's greatest philosophers as a being of elemental earth, but who is actually an eldritch artificial intelligence of cyclopean complexity who was built by the Yacatisma, and constitutes the Y-ist (yacatisma) equivalent of the X-ists' "MWOWM" Super[natural?]computing systems/engines
Diogenes of Sinope: An ancient Greek philosopher and counterfeiter whose assertions that dogs are better than people and that we should all therefore act like dogs instead of people form some of the earliesty underpinnings of both formal cynic philosophy and furry fandom. (I'm not shitting you, this was a real guy)
JR "BOB" Dobbs: Some call him "The Slack Master", "The High Epopt", and "The Saint of Sales", others call him less flattering names, such as "Liar", "Pimp", "Con-Artist", and "Whoremonger" (also "Dumbass"). In truth, both of these assessments are correct.
"BOB" is a comic-book character who communicates with space-aliens and worships money. A supernaturally gifted salesman, he was beset with bizarre coincidences (always to his own benefit), and prophetic eldritch visions since his childhood. He founded the Church of the SubGenius shortly after meeting deadbeat hippies and all-around good guys Douglas Smith, and Philo U. Drummond, and selling them a set of gold tablets which suspiciously resembled the ones which had disappeared from the basement of one of Doug's relatives several years previously. He was later shot to death during a SubGenius devival, but he came back to life soon after the news of his demise had reached his creditors.
His numbers are 606, 999, and 13013
Douglas Smith: Sacred scribe of the Church of ther SubGenius, who took over the Ministry after J.R."BOB" Dobbs went west to teach the Plains Indians how to be capitalist. Now travels under the assumed name "Ivan Stang"
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on May 19, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
I've got another one, well, a few, actually...:
Affathough ("Azathoth", "Affa-Thog"): The cosmic principle of pointlessness and futility, and the deity of non-existence. As the embodiment of non-being, he does not exist (as that would defeat the point). Personified depictions of "him"/it usually depict Azathough as a deformed, giant, sometimes galaxy-sized amoeba, representing the absence of thought.
Ivo Shandor: The high priest of Gozer the Gozerian (aka. "The Traveler", "Gozer the Destructor", "Volguus Zildrohar") in the modern age. According to Egon Spangler of Ghostbusters Inc., he was known for his talents as an architect, and his enthusiasm for performing unnecessary surgery.
Emperor Joshua Norton the First of the USA: Saint Joshua Norton Caesar was a prospector in San Francisco who declared himself the King/Emperor of the United States of America "and protector of Mexico", and accumulated a sizable following of San Francisco residents who informally recognized his sovereignty. He is the patron saint of the subjectivity of reality and of the pulling of the wool over your/one's own eyes.
Your entry on Eris is full of misinformation. Intentional or not?
Eris was also known as Bellona (Ma-Bellona) to the Roman Senate (linked to the Enyo and the triplicate of the Graiai, or Grey Ones), and all war-planning occurred in her temple. That's right, Ares, suck it. You should read through this thread: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.0
Quote from: Telarus on May 21, 2009, 01:41:33 AM
Your entry on Eris is full of misinformation. Intentional or not?
Rubbish.
Ancient Greco-Roman goddess of non-military conflict
she did join battle with her brother Aries
Quote from: yatto on May 21, 2009, 11:15:21 AM
Ancient Greco-Roman goddess of non-military conflict
she did join battle with her brother Aries
This is the correct motorcycle. All facets of strife and conflict came under her portfolio, from marriage and trade up to earth-shattering war.
Quote from: Cain on May 21, 2009, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: yatto on May 21, 2009, 11:15:21 AM
Ancient Greco-Roman goddess of non-military conflict
she did join battle with her brother Aries
This is the correct motorcycle. All facets of strife and conflict came under her portfolio, from marriage and trade up to earth-shattering war.
Ah, I did not know that. I was under the impression that she and Ares were seperate halves of the same whole.
As for the other thing in the entry, the bit about evolution, that is my own personal insight. Additionally, I intend to expand the entry at some point to add some more standard ideas.
suggested reading
ancient greeks and eris (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.0)
book of teh subgenius
Quote from: yatto on May 21, 2009, 01:55:23 PM
suggested reading
ancient greeks and eris (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.0)
book of teh subgenius
I've read the Book of The SubGenius, IIRC it says that orthodoxy is herasy...
I forgot two of the mantras:
Chaopanchakshara:
"Aum Namah Discordia"
The Indecision Mantra:
"Um"
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on May 21, 2009, 08:09:12 PM
I've read the Book of The SubGenius, IIRC it says that orthodoxy is herasy...
just noting your missing the usual suspects
fuck em if they cant take a joke
may be pink but their money is green
etc
I may have more entities to add in a while, a friend is working on the "Goetia Discordia" which is a book of spirits/powers straight from the mind of Kerry Thornley.
Quote from: Telarus on May 21, 2009, 01:41:33 AM
Your entry on Eris is full of misinformation. Intentional or not?
Eris was also known as Bellona (Ma-Bellona) to the Roman Senate (linked to the Enyo and the triplicate of the Graiai, or Grey Ones), and all war-planning occurred in her temple. That's right, Ares, suck it. You should read through this thread: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.0
This gives me an idea for a hymn...
:mrgreen: "
My Bellona has a first name, its..."
Ok, I've got one for malaclypse the elder... I think this one's rather clever:
Malaclypse the Elder (Mal-1):
One of the Five Apostles of Eris Patron of the season of aftermath and prophet of DÜMB (Pronounced "Doom". Note the umlat nover the U). Many have speculated on whether or not his prophecies have yet been fulfilled, positing that perhaps J.R."BOB" Dobbs, or perhaps George W. Bush may be/have been the instrument of the DÜMB which he foretold.
Umlaut over the Ü isnt pronounced like the "oo" in "doom". Ü is a vowel sound that doesnt occur in English.
The "oo" sound in "doom" is a lot more like the U without umlaut. So you might pick the German word DUMM, which is actually pronounced as "doom" (except a bit shorter), and means "dumb" or "stupid" in German.
Yeah, I think you mean "DŪMB".
Or perhaps "stōō'pĭd"
Quote from: Nigel on May 28, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
Yeah, I think you mean "DŪMB".
That's the one.
here's some updates of previous entries. The Changes are underlined and in red.
Malaclypse the Elder (Mal-1): One of the Five Apostles of Eris Patron of the season of aftermath and prophet of
DŪMB (Pronounced "Doom"). Many have speculated on whether or not his prophecies have yet been fulfilled, positing that perhaps J.R."BOB" Dobbs, or perhaps George W. Bush may be/have been the instrument of the DÜMB which he foretold.
Eris K. Discordia: The Cosmic principle of discord and chaos. Ancient Greco-Roman goddess of non-military conflict. She is, however, credited with indirectly starting the Trojan War after the other Godesses called upon a mortal prince to settle an argument that Discordia had started with regard to which goddess was the prettiest.
Although primarily a deity of non military conflicts, she did briefly do a stint as the Roman goddess of war during a period when Mars/Ares was going through some stuff and had decided that he was going to give up war and become a farmer or something. During this time period she reinvented herself as the war goddess Bellona, and her first name was Enyo. She is credited by her followers, the Discordians, as the creator of the human race, due (in part) to the fact that, as the goddess of non-military conflict, she presides over the process of natural selection (although there are most likely many of her followers who would argue that at least one part of this assertation is incorrect, as is their way). She is also followed due to her ability to shake things up and "stick it to the man" and other such things.
Her numbers are 5 and 23
P.S. The line about Ares "going through some stuff" and deciding to "Become a farmer or something" refers to the fact that Mars was originally an agricultural deity before he was identified with the Greek god Ares. The end of the line saying that Eris "reinvented herself as the war goddess Bellona
and her first name was Enyo" is a pun on the old Oscar Meyer jingle beginning "my balogna has a first name....."
your forgetting the horse
Sri Syadasti: One of the five apostles of Discordia and the patron of the season of chaos. He represents the simultaneous truth and falsehood that can be shown of all things . His full name is SRI SYADASTI SYADAVAKTAVYA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADASTI CAVAKTAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVATAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVAKTAVYASCA, which designates "All affirmations are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense."
In this manner, he also, in addition to representing confusion, also represents, contradiction, rationalization, as embodied by the sacred syllable "Splunge", which designates that something "May be a good idea, but possibly not, and I'm not being indecisive"
The idea that all things are true can also be said to be symbolic/representative of the "Many Worlds" interpretation of waveform collapse in Quantum Mechanics. In the Many Worlds theory, it is held that whenever an non−deterministic subatomic reaction could be resolved in more than one way, the universe effectively "Splits" into several parallel universes, one for each possible outcome; In other words, going back to a famous thought experiment, there would be one universe wherein Schrodinger's cat lives, and another, equally real, universe in which it dies, and also two experimenters, also both equally real (although unaware of, and unable to interact with, each other). The offshoot of this is that anything that could happen/have happened in the realm of strict physical possibility, is true somewhern. Additionally, there is a similar, though even further reaching theory in some frameworks of superstring theory, in which the universe could have potentially formed with different values for physical constants, and some of these theories imply that these constants could actually change to alternate sets of internally consistent values within the current universe under certain very rare conditions...uh...where was I...um...well...anyway, I digress
Syadasti's simultaneous truth/falsehood also represents the imperfect nature of human language, and , yea, even in many cases human thought, under which it is possible, witrh sufficient verbal gymnastics, to show anything to be either true or false, In some sense, mainly by taking things as being metaphorical, by differing definitions of truth and falsehood ("no, it wasn't correct, but he thought that it was correct, so he wasn't really lying, now was he"), and other such things.
On a related note, syadasti also embodies the so−called "Liar's Paradox", the statement "This statement is false", which is true if it is false, and false if it is ture, and thus is true and false at the same time, and thus, arguably, meaningless.
His day is may thirty−first.
He is somehao also a counterpart to Blessed St.Gulik the Stoned (who is a mystical cockroach who shares the title of Discordian Apostle of Confusion)
The Bleeding Head of Arnold Palmer: A mysterious antediluvian creator god of the Church of the SubGenius. Satan's attempts to clone it supposedly resulted in the creation of the mortal golfing pro Arnold Palmer. It is said that it is worshipped because it is not worthy of worship (and , in this sense, represents bulldada).
Its idol is "launched", using the Sacreed 9−Iron, by the Doktors for "BOB" during their anti-music performance ceremonies
Loki: The ancient Norse god of mean-spirited pranks. After he tricked the god Hoder into killing his brother Baldr as a joke, the gods imprisoned him deep inside a cave under a poisonous snake which perpetually dripped its venom onto his wounds (although Loki's wife was allowed to stay with him and help him keep the venom off. It is said that when Loki escapes his bonds the time of the Gods will come to an end.
He is also considered by the Church of the SubGenius to be somehao analogous to the malevolent trickster spirit NHGH (cf. the Revelation X prescriptures: "And this shall be until the twins come, but each is only half of the split god, the X−god, which is Loki and NHGH, who while split is insane, and t5hus meddles on this/thine earthly plane to thine irritation, which soothes me and serves me")
Hung Mung: Discordian apostle and patron of the season of chaos. His day is January fifth. It is said that it is he who originally devised the Sacred Chao, basing it on the omnipresent "Yin−Yang" symbol seen so often in the mysticism of his native China.
As the apostle of chaos, Hung Mung has been arrested frequently for disorderly conduct, setting off fireworks in crowded public buildings, and various other crazy things*.
*Oh, and also, the last time he went back to China he set a bunch of policemen on fire as part of a protest. :lulz:
Sanakrit "BOB" mantra #1*
"ashraddadhaanaaH ashnaami asheshhataH ashlaaghya ashuchau avichaarii ashubha Abhodhisattva J.R."BOB"Dobbs, aghaayuH atidurvRitta akaarya, akalmashhaM akasmaat.h achintyaM, akarmakRit.h, akarmaNi, ajaanataa adambhitvaM, ajaanataa adrohaH, [ajaanataa aparigraha], atattvaarthavat.h, achetasaH, [anyaayena]. Anagha aghaayuH atidurvRitta akaarya anusmara anukampaarthaM anuyaayinaH /apamaanayoh anyaan.h aparaspara"
(Translation: "(Those Who are faithless) (accept) (completely) (virtuless) (unclean) (thoughtless) (and inauspicious) (Heroic minded one for ignorance) (J.R."BOB"Dobbs), (whose life is full of sins) (of extremely bad conduct) (and forbidden activities), (freed from all past sinful reactions) (by chance) (beyond contemplation), (without doing something), (in not doing prescribed duites), (without knowing) (humility), (without knowing) (freedom from Envy), [(without knowing) (freedom from possessiveness/greed)], (without knowledge of reality), (without Krishna Consciousness), [(illegally)]. (O sinless one) (whose life is full of sins) (of extremely bad conduct) (and forbidden activities) (go on remembering) (to show special mercy) [to] [your] (followers) /(and dishonor) (others) (without cause)")
Please note that probably none of this is conjugated correctly
P.S. By the way. If any of you know of an alias of "BOB" Dobbs that begins with the letter "A" which I can replace his name with in this mantra, so that all of the words start with the "a" sound, that would be great.
*With special thanks to "The online sanskrit dictionary"
solary magic creates a shadow
yantra, tantra, mantra
draw sigil on ground, stand in a yoga pose, recite a formula
similar to the traditional Turkey Curse :kingmeh:
ᮇᚏᮏᮖᚈᮅᚖᮝᚍᮠᮋᚊᮼᚅᮔᮎᚅᮘᮖᚌᮃᚇ
also about mantras, something about one-syllable words ending in a vowel.
One syllable words are for intonation without trying too much pronounciation. The vowel at the end is so an individual can hold the note for a long time, trail off, and zone out.
a Hare Krishna mantra being a permutation of words.
"hare krishna , krishna hare , krishna krishna , hare hare" 01 10 11 00
Adapted to Discordianism, both Eris and Discord as words do not end in vowels with this mantra scheme. Therefore more one-syllable words ending in vowels , two syllable words with both syllables endings in vowels , are required as materials for creating new mantras.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on June 13, 2009, 08:46:56 PMHe is somehao also a counterpart to Blessed St.Gulik the Stoned (who is a mystical cockroach who shares the title of Discordian Apostle of Confusion)
It says in the Principia "NOTE: Sri Syadasti should not be confused with Blessed St. Gulik the Stoned, who is not the same person but is the same Apostle" and I'm wondering how this relationship works metaphysically. It specifies not the same person meaning they are divided flesh wise, so is it similar to Jesus, Yahweh, and the Holy Ghost where they're all merely facets of the actual "God"? Is St. Gulik an extension of Sri Syadasti's will or is it vice versa? Or did our sweet holy Lady of Chaos give them both the same title to adhere to the Rule of 5? Maybe St. Gulik begged Eris for the title of Apostle after being her little messenger and she gave Sri's title to him either out of pity or wanting to fuck with the two of them. Do they like each other? Much to consider.
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on November 17, 2024, 12:37:58 PMQuote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on June 13, 2009, 08:46:56 PMHe is somehao also a counterpart to Blessed St.Gulik the Stoned (who is a mystical cockroach who shares the title of Discordian Apostle of Confusion)
It says in the Principia "NOTE: Sri Syadasti should not be confused with Blessed St. Gulik the Stoned, who is not the same person but is the same Apostle" and I'm wondering how this relationship works metaphysically. It specifies not the same person meaning they are divided flesh wise, so is it similar to Jesus, Yahweh, and the Holy Ghost where they're all merely facets of the actual "God"? Is St. Gulik an extension of Sri Syadasti's will or is it vice versa? Or did our sweet holy Lady of Chaos give them both the same title to adhere to the Rule of 5? Maybe St. Gulik begged Eris for the title of Apostle after being her little messenger and she gave Sri's title to him either out of pity or wanting to fuck with the two of them. Do they like each other? Much to consider.
I don't know ... could this conundrum possibly be something we Discordians are supposed to accept on faith?
I ask, because just writing the words "Discordians" and "faith" in the same sentence seems sacrilegious, or something.
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