except its not quite as deep. basically, this guy dies. he faints and hits the floor and dies, but then someone brings him back. what he discovers though, is that in the process of mouth to mouth, he gets infected with aids. and so the near death experience, combined with now having aids, makes him resent everything. he becomes extremely bitter and cynical, since he can no longer enjoy the things in life he enjoyed most, and to him, it was sex.
eventually what happens, is that he decides to take out his fury on people who deserve it most. this story could also be told from a female point of view, but effectively what i brainstormed was that they go out and give aids to everyone who deserves to die.
what do you think? does it have potential? should i even bother going any further, or has it been done?
what sort of philosophical arguments do you think this theme expresses?
:kingmeh:
Yeah im know its not that mind blowing for the likes of us, but compared to alot of the garbage that makes it to the top sales lists, i think it could have potential. maybe i should just write something completely random, and that would get more attention than anything i try to write thats grammatically correct.
I'm fairly certain you can't get AIDS from mouth to mouth.
I would suggest doing a bunch of research on, say, biology, and then refining your outline to fit in with reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmyP4ZScN4 not funny, (may not be true but its been done)
Quote from: Hoopla on June 16, 2009, 10:27:11 PM
I'm fairly certain you can't get AIDS from mouth to mouth.
a girl once told me she had to use a condom with her bf for 3 (or 6?) months cause she gave some passed out alcoholic bum mouth to mouth, and it wasnt certain whether he had AIDS (or HIV) or not.
the girl has been full of shit on a number of other occasions, so yeah.
anyway, I suppose that if the "rescuer" has wounds in his mouth, it could be transferred?
If the wounds were bleeding and the person receiving the mouth to mouth also had bleeding wounds, sure.
Quote from: Hoopla on June 16, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
If the wounds were bleeding and the person receiving the mouth to mouth also had bleeding wounds, sure.
:fap:
Quote from: Hoopla on June 16, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
If the wounds were bleeding and the person receiving the mouth to mouth also had bleeding wounds, sure.
Thats what I was getting at. It wasn't supposed to be something that happened on purpose.
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
Think about it-- you die, but come back, but you come back with something horrid, be it AIDS or even H1N1. How miserable would the rest of your life be? The only way such a bitter person could "get back" at life, is to inflict pain on others. Spreading the disease. Im sure its happened somewhere at least once. But i've never heard a story about it, and it popped into my head the other day. Lets cast Edward Norton as the main character, and Johnny Depp as his cracked out friend who is the only one knows the truth. Hell, Ed could smash Johnny's face apart in order to keep his secret safe. What a horrible thing to add to his misery, but people seem to be self destructive when they're on the brink of insanity.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
considering it's the plot twist and turning point that serves as the cause for everything in the story, yeah, it kind of matters. AIDS is a real disease and i assume this is based in a contemporary real setting, so making it realistic DOES kind of matter. "Its a freaking story" is not a fucking excuse, idiot.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
:crankey: don't go there, don't go there, don't go there.
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 17, 2009, 07:25:19 AM
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
:crankey: don't go there, don't go there, don't go there.
I suggest we ignore the 50 post rule just this once. Who's with me?
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 17, 2009, 07:25:19 AM
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
considering it's the plot twist and turning point that serves as the cause for everything in the story, yeah, it kind of matters. AIDS is a real disease and i assume this is based in a contemporary real setting, so making it realistic DOES kind of matter. "Its a freaking story" is not a fucking excuse, idiot.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
:crankey: don't go there, don't go there, don't go there.
Realism: don't go there, don't go there, don't go there.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on June 16, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
If the wounds were bleeding and the person receiving the mouth to mouth also had bleeding wounds, sure.
Thats what I was getting at. It wasn't supposed to be something that happened on purpose.
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
Think about it-- you die, but come back, but you come back with something horrid, be it AIDS or even H1N1. How miserable would the rest of your life be? The only way such a bitter person could "get back" at life, is to inflict pain on others. Spreading the disease. Im sure its happened somewhere at least once. But i've never heard a story about it, and it popped into my head the other day. Lets cast Edward Norton as the main character, and Johnny Depp as his cracked out friend who is the only one knows the truth. Hell, Ed could smash Johnny's face apart in order to keep his secret safe. What a horrible thing to add to his misery, but people seem to be self destructive when they're on the brink of insanity.
Its called willing suspense of disbelief.
If you add something to a story which makes no sense in context, as this would to most scientifically literate people, then reading it is going to be a jarring and difficult experience.
And yes, people have spread the disease before, for whatever reason. There are recorded cases of it in the UK, South Africa and USA I believe, though in some cases that was a denial of their condition, that they refused to believe the tests.
I think it needs work. Your character cannot come back instantly as a jerk. He needs to be broken, worn down, made into the complete monster he is going to become. And you have to consider how you want to portray that. Is the reader meant to pity his final breakdown? Or are we meant to be glad when someone puts him out of his misery, as they will almost certainly have to do if you take the more monstrous route.
There was an episode of "Baywatch" with the same premise.
I am now off to self flagellate from the shame that I know such a thing.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on June 16, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
If the wounds were bleeding and the person receiving the mouth to mouth also had bleeding wounds, sure.
Thats what I was getting at. It wasn't supposed to be something that happened on purpose.
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
Think about it-- you die, but come back, but you come back with something horrid, be it AIDS or even H1N1. How miserable would the rest of your life be? The only way such a bitter person could "get back" at life, is to inflict pain on others. Spreading the disease. Im sure its happened somewhere at least once. But i've never heard a story about it, and it popped into my head the other day. Lets cast Edward Norton as the main character, and Johnny Depp as his cracked out friend who is the only one knows the truth. Hell, Ed could smash Johnny's face apart in order to keep his secret safe. What a horrible thing to add to his misery, but people seem to be self destructive when they're on the brink of insanity.
If you're going to break with reality, you would be better off making up a whole new disease, because if you use a real disease in an unrealistic way it makes it difficult for your audience to suspend disbelief while reading.
Basically, also it's kind of a stupid, hackneyed premise, and not even vaguely original. Sorry.
I can't even address the "Discordia... realism" comment because it makes no sense.
btw this concept is pretty similar to what happened here a couple of years ago
but if someone ought to write the book of that story, I request that LMNO does it.
a bunch of men would get together every one in a while, somewhere in one of the guys' house in some little rural village. they'd have freaky sex with eachother, using poppers, GHB and all sorts of drugs, inserting whatnot kitchentools in whereever orifice and spanking and barebacking and it was all a sort of drug crazed filthy orgy of the stuff you see in the "tools for tools" thread.
until, one morning after, someone has a vague recollection of something involving needles and blood being injected into someone's anus.
naturally it turned out some of the guys had AIDS (or perhaps this was already known), and now most (except one or two lucky bastards) have it too.
enter lawsuits and whatever. i'm pretty sure the guys with AIDS got punished, but IMO they were all a bunch of idiot dumbfucks.
Quote from: Nigel on June 17, 2009, 02:26:49 PM
I can't even address the "Discordia... realism" comment because it makes no sense.
Yeah, not sure what was meant by that. Apparently Really Real Discordians go wandering around in a permanent haze of fantasy... I guess I'm not Discordian.
Realism?
Mastering sense and nonsense can be tricky. As far as I can tell, the really important bit is to communicate an idea to your audience in a way that either they go AHA! and get it, or go *kaboominthebrain* and "get it" that way. In the example here, I don't know that Mouth to Mouth AIDS is a good way to communicate any idea other than "The Author doesn't know much about HIV."
Now, if perhaps the guy giving mouth to mouth was also a spy, and had unknowingly kissed a cute double agent wearing lipstick that would *do terrible thing to your health* then that might work a bit better.
That's not an awful idea for a book.
Not nearly as terrible as the self-help book my father recently started with no less than 100 steps to make you happy.
I have a suggestion to make it more believable.
The person who resuscitates him knows that he himself has AIDS. He also wants to pass it on, for a reason that remains an unexplained mystery, or for some other reason (he doesn't think the protag deserves another shot at life, he's just an asshole, he wanted to fuck with a stranger, etc.). So, during resuscitation, he bites into his own lip and into the protags lip and ensure blood mingling. That would give the protag at least a small chance of contracting HIV.
The best advice I can give you is that if you want to write it, write it. Even if it ends up sucking on a monstrous cock, you can still apply the experience to future endeavors.
First, HIV is no longer an automatic death sentence.
Also, having HIV doesn't mean you can never fuck again. After you research biology, you might want to check out what actually goes on in the HIV community. Try hxxp://www.faceforward.ca/links.htm for starters.
To be quite honest, with the current level of information, education, and awareness of HIV in this country, the way you want your character portrayed makes him sound like an ignorant dumbass.
It would be far more interesting to write a story from the point of view of a Bug Chaser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing_and_giftgiving), but making him incredibly likable and sympthetic.
Quote from: LMNO on June 24, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
First, HIV is no longer an automatic death sentence.
Also, having HIV doesn't mean you can never fuck again. After you research biology, you might want to check out what actually goes on in the HIV community. Try hxxp://www.faceforward.ca/links.htm for starters.
To be quite honest, with the current level of information, education, and awareness of HIV in this country, the way you want your character portrayed makes him sound like an ignorant dumbass.
It would be far more interesting to write a story from the point of view of a Bug Chaser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing_and_giftgiving), but making him incredibly likable and sympthetic.
But come on, LMNO, that would require research and understanding his subject, and why would a Discordian want to dabble in reality?
Actually, the bug chaser idea is pretty interesting. The alienation required for such a thing reminds me of a far worse version of the protagonist in Fight Club, where he attends group therapy.
Yeah... As much as I try to see different viewpoints, that's one mental state I just can't get my head around.
Quote from: Epimetheus on June 17, 2009, 07:25:19 AM
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
I don't need to research biology to make it fit with "reality". Its a freaking story.
considering it's the plot twist and turning point that serves as the cause for everything in the story, yeah, it kind of matters. AIDS is a real disease and i assume this is based in a contemporary real setting, so making it realistic DOES kind of matter. "Its a freaking story" is not a fucking excuse, idiot.
Quote from: ekimdrachir on June 17, 2009, 05:40:54 AM
Plus, what are people on a Discordia website doing telling me about realism?
:crankey: don't go there, don't go there, don't go there.
Too late.
:mittens:
:lulz:
Think about it-- you die, but come back, but you come back with something horrid, be it AIDS or even H1N1. How miserable would the rest of your life be?
If the character contracted H1N1....wouldn't he/she just stay in bed for 7-10 days and be done with it? Which of course, would make the book mercifully short and that's a good thing.
birkinhead ninja for the win.