Okay, take this situation:
1) My aunt and uncle, "T" and "R" live in my grandparents' house because they are both out of work and the grandparents are old enough to need someone in the house to care for them.
2) "T" cannot work a regular job because she is mentally disabled from a head injury, and "R" is trying to recover from a massive retinal tear that requires a lot of time and rest to heal. Sustained high blood pressure is enough to prevent it from healing properly, in which case he will be permanently blind in that eye. Oh, and his other eye is forming a cataract.
3) My grandfather is aged and ailing, and my grandmother is even more so. She may be on her way out.
4) Two of my aunt's sisters, my aunts D1 and D2, are both healthy, employed, married to husbands who are healthy and employed, and own homes.
Now, given these circumstances, consider that D1 and D2 have "found" some evidence of computer misconduct (on a computer which D1 stole from her job) by T and R. D1 and D2 have pressed upon my grandfather, who is ancient and preoccupied with the poor condition of my grandmother, his wife of 50 years, to have T and R thrown out of the house.
T and R own nothing but the clothes on their backs and a car. They have done nothing but help my grandparents in their old age. They are unable to work, and putting R in a stressful situation and preventing him from resting will cause him to go blind in one of his eyes.
So my question for the PD.com ethics committee... this is not okay, ever, right? This is the sort of thing you disown relatives over, yes?
YES. Not OK, at all!
I disowned my relatives over much less. Their idiocy stemmed from neglect, not malice.
What kind of "computer misconduct"?
The first thing I couldn't help thinking is that D1 and D2 are afraid T and R will inherit the house, and they want them out to make sure they get their cut of the house... which is horribly selfish.
Unless there's something seriously bad going on, like T or R abusing your grandparents, then no, it's not ok. It doesn't sound like there is, so what the hell is wrong with D1 and D2? Their very own sister? Even if I hated my sisters, I'd never throw them on the streets. Not to mention the (free) care they're providing for your grandparents and your uncle, who they could be indirectly permanently disabling!
I'd disown them. Loudly and publicly. And I'd talk with your grandfather, too, though I'm sure he's well aware that your aunts are gigantic douche bags.
Quote from: Cain on June 17, 2009, 10:42:51 PM
I disowned my relatives over much less. Their idiocy stemmed from neglect, not malice.
Ditto.
VERY WRONG! I agreee with Nigel, D1 & D2 are worried being there will put T & R higher on the inheritance list....
Quote from: Nigel on June 17, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
What kind of "computer misconduct"?
The first thing I couldn't help thinking is that D1 and D2 are afraid T and R will inherit the house, and they want them out to make sure they get their cut of the house... which is horribly selfish.
Apparently D1 "found pornography" on the computer.
D1 gave them that computer, which she stole from her job at Apple. It had been listed as destroyed because it was used to run technical tests, meaning it was never supposed to be used. Who knows what kind of shitfuck stuff got put onto their computer through security holes and whatnot.
Also, T used to write romance novels. I don't know the details but for all I know D1 snooped through and found a racy chapter or something.
(And even so, all this over
porn? Really? Bullshit.)
So basically D1 spent god knows how long snooping through their files (pretty typical behavior for her, really) and got them thrown out of the house over something she found on a computer which she stole and then gave to them.
Call me crazy, but you haven't got a leg to stand on if you give someone stolen and potentially defective property and try to get them in trouble for something on it.
It probably is over the house. D1 is the real instigator here; D2 is just her twin sister who probably sided with her on principle. D1 is a greedy, selfish, and stupid Rush Limbaugh listener whom I now believe is very capable of doing something like this and wheedling my ailing grandfather into putting her higher on the inheritance list, as Khara put it.
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
D1 is a greedy, selfish, and stupid Rush Limbaugh listener...
And you haven't disowned her already because...?
Your grandfather having a clear view of things would work out best in this. Does he retain a lawyer for anything related to his healthcare / Will / Power of Attorney? Can't do much about evicting, but can sort out money -sniffing family members.
D1 + D2, if they're pushing for eviction, will likely try to maximize the drama to make it apparent to Grandad. If T and R can force them to do this to the point they seem unreasonable, they defeat themselves.
obviously totally not OK.
and what's the deal about throwing someone out of the house for finding porn on a computer? is it kiddie porn? or is it some kind of weird religious thing going on?
addition, if R is going to lose eyesight over this whole matter, it might be important to somehow get him outside of the whole situation (in any sense) as quickly as possible. regardless of whether this is OK or not, or a religious thing or not, or right or not, relatives can be CUNTS. even if legally they can't do shit, they still will make him miserable and therefore stressed.
sign two of these out (best make it formal)
http://bureauofcommunication.com/compose/air
then give it to them individual in front of your grandfather
then never speak them again... even if spoken to
^ That.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 17, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
addition, if R is going to lose eyesight over this whole matter, it might be important to somehow get him outside of the whole situation (in any sense) as quickly as possible. regardless of whether this is OK or not, or a religious thing or not, or right or not, relatives can be CUNTS. even if legally they can't do shit, they still will make him miserable and therefore stressed.
I dunno if you live at home or not, but if you don't, you could offer R a place to stay while this all gets sorted out so he doesn't go blind. Or talk to your folks, of course.
I'd upgrade from disowning to maiming over such vicious nonsense. But that's me.
In any case, get pics of the computer, serial visible, next to a current newspaper. Send to Apple.
Quote from: Richter on June 17, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Your grandfather having a clear view of things would work out best in this. Does he retain a lawyer for anything related to his healthcare / Will / Power of Attorney? Can't do much about evicting, but can sort out money -sniffing family members.
I think we've considered this, but nothing has come of it yet. Of course, D1 has already set up grandpa's bank account such that he can't even view his bank statements without her there. He's old and easily influenced, but not delusional.
Quote from: Richter on June 17, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
D1 + D2, if they're pushing for eviction, will likely try to maximize the drama to make it apparent to Grandad. If T and R can force them to do this to the point they seem unreasonable, they defeat themselves.
They've already succeeded. T and R are in a motel and completely devastated.
Quote from: Laughtrack on June 17, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
I dunno if you live at home or not, but if you don't, you could offer R a place to stay while this all gets sorted out so he doesn't go blind. Or talk to your folks, of course.
T and R would almost definitely be living with us if they weren't on the other side of the country. :x
And you know, the evil twins waited to do this until immediately after my parents came home from over there.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 17, 2009, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
D1 is a greedy, selfish, and stupid Rush Limbaugh listener...
And you haven't disowned her already because...?
Because even greedy, selfish, conservatarded family members are still family members, until they have an impoverished and disabled sister thrown out of the only place they have to live.
Sorry to dump this on you guys. I feel completely powerless to fix or alleviate the situation, probably because I basically am.
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
Sorry to dump this on you guys. I feel completely powerless to fix or alleviate the situation, probably because I basically am.
Call your grandpa. Ask him if he's ever read a
Playboy.
~Fin.
(yeah, right.)
Quote from: yhnmzw on June 17, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
I'd upgrade from disowning to maiming over such vicious nonsense. But that's me.
In any case, get pics of the computer, serial visible, next to a current newspaper. Send to Apple.
Yes, and yeeeees. That'll get her at least sued.
Your aunts should be taken behind the barn and shot. What horrible people.
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
T and R would almost definitely be living with us if they weren't on the other side of the country. :x
And you know, the evil twins waited to do this until immediately after my parents came home from over there.
Shit. That makes things way harder. Call local cops/mob/discordians?
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 10:37:34 PM
This is the sort of thing you disown relatives over, yes?
Yes. Loudly and publicly.
Quote from: Cain on June 17, 2009, 10:42:51 PM
I disowned my relatives over much less.
Me too. I disowned a cousin for not enjoying the movie Howard the Duck.
Quote from: Cainad on June 17, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: Nigel on June 17, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
What kind of "computer misconduct"?
The first thing I couldn't help thinking is that D1 and D2 are afraid T and R will inherit the house, and they want them out to make sure they get their cut of the house... which is horribly selfish.
Apparently D1 "found pornography" on the computer.
D1 gave them that computer, which she stole from her job at Apple. It had been listed as destroyed because it was used to run technical tests, meaning it was never supposed to be used. Who knows what kind of shitfuck stuff got put onto their computer through security holes and whatnot.
Also, T used to write romance novels. I don't know the details but for all I know D1 snooped through and found a racy chapter or something.
(And even so, all this over porn? Really? Bullshit.)
So basically D1 spent god knows how long snooping through their files (pretty typical behavior for her, really) and got them thrown out of the house over something she found on a computer which she stole and then gave to them.
Call me crazy, but you haven't got a leg to stand on if you give someone stolen and potentially defective property and try to get them in trouble for something on it.
It probably is over the house. D1 is the real instigator here; D2 is just her twin sister who probably sided with her on principle. D1 is a greedy, selfish, and stupid Rush Limbaugh listener whom I now believe is very capable of doing something like this and wheedling my ailing grandfather into putting her higher on the inheritance list, as Khara put it.
Unless its kiddie porn, D1 can go fuck herself. She has no right to be snooping on a computer she gave away in the first place. Sounds like an A-1 asshole to me.
In my case, my grandmother (who is in her mid-80s) went back to Australia. She was going to say with my aunt and uncle while they sorted out her pension and somewhere to live, since she values her independence. Cue my parents going to Australia, 18 months later, we find out she is essentially being held prisoner in an almost bare room in my aunt's place. Because the forms for pensions were never filled out, she was living on less than 40 cents a week, and was not eligible for any sort of care or housing (despite spending over half her life in Australia etc). She didn't qualify for free healthcare either, and she needed not only new glasses, but hearing aids as well.
Oh, and then my aunt tried to imply she was insane before my parents arrived, in order to poison the well when it came to the truth being told.
If I ever go back to Australia...well, I had the reflex reaction to not hit women beaten out of me a long time ago. And my uncle will certainly learn that being a soldier does not impress or scare me anywhere near as much as he seems to think it should.
Have a phone conversation with your grandpa. Ask leading questions... see if Grandpa can put two and three together... if he's not senile (which you said), then he should be able to get this shit. Esp if its from a grandkid that is 'asking' rather than 'telling'.
Just my opinion.
Of course I would also very sweetly call D1 and D2 to 'get their side of the story' aka 'find something to hang them with'... unless they don't trust you or something.
Rat, you're more devious and manipulative than I ever gave you credit for... kudos!
Quote from: Hoopla on June 18, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Rat, you're more devious and manipulative than I ever gave you credit for... kudos!
Squirrels of Discord rarely show their deviousness unless absolutely necessary. :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on June 18, 2009, 03:58:08 PM
In my case, my grandmother (who is in her mid-80s) went back to Australia. She was going to say with my aunt and uncle while they sorted out her pension and somewhere to live, since she values her independence. Cue my parents going to Australia, 18 months later, we find out she is essentially being held prisoner in an almost bare room in my aunt's place. Because the forms for pensions were never filled out, she was living on less than 40 cents a week, and was not eligible for any sort of care or housing (despite spending over half her life in Australia etc). She didn't qualify for free healthcare either, and she needed not only new glasses, but hearing aids as well.
Oh, and then my aunt tried to imply she was insane before my parents arrived, in order to poison the well when it came to the truth being told.
If I ever go back to Australia...well, I had the reflex reaction to not hit women beaten out of me a long time ago. And my uncle will certainly learn that being a soldier does not impress or scare me anywhere near as much as he seems to think it should.
I'd call that malice. And I'd have poisoned my uncle's morning oj in your shoes, because I'd have made a special trip (not saying you don't care about her because you didn't make the trip, of course).
I did it because my father abandoned my sisters in favor of his red neck girlfriend. I'm twenty so I don't exactly need him. They're just kids and he picked the whore over his own children.
I'd follow Rat's advice, myself. Give them the rope and let them hang themselves.
Maybe. I wasn't there, and I'm not exactly on the best terms with my parents either (who are highly judgemental and tend to like throwing stones in glass houses) so while I tend to believe things play out more or less as they described, I have to take that into account.
Well me and my uncle were never on the best terms anyway. We're not blood relatives either, so I don't feel the need to respect his blowhard ass and phony military record. Plus he's the sort of person who thinks flexing his muscles, looking menacing and talking about how he plays with guns and gets to smack his grunts around makes him tough. I, on the other hand, while not having the benefit of hitting people who are too afraid to hit back all day, did study terrorism. I like to think I know how to deal out asymmetrical damage, and something about psychological warfare.
And yeah, your father sounds like a selfish jerk, to say the least.
Cainad, that is totally awful. The Ds should burn over this shit.
Also, see if you can maybe take advantage of the D's weaknesses. Admittedly I've never been in this kind of situation, but if they have a weak point, exploit it. For example, if they are incredibly concerned over what people think about them, then see if you can leak this shit to their neighbors. Or blackmail them with it. That may get them to leave your Aunt and Uncle alone.
my question is this:
why haven't you provided certain non-existent organizations with D1 and D2's PI?
at the very least, they will be utterly desensitized to porn by the time it's all over.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on June 19, 2009, 04:19:36 AM
my question is this:
why haven't you provided certain non-existent organizations with D1 and D2's PI?
at the very least, they will be utterly desensitized to porn by the time it's all over.
If those organizations existed, of course. Which they don't.
Some non-existent organizations don't enjoy personal army requests. Also, I actually don't have their PI other than names, and I dunno how mom would feel about giving me such information.
Quote from: Cainad on June 19, 2009, 04:31:28 AM
Some non-existent organizations don't enjoy personal army requests.
And some do. Not everyone is 4Chan.
Cainad this is awful.
Family is shit and I hate to see manipulative vultures stabbing people in the back to get at the goods.
Does your grandad know the computer is stolen? And from work too. That's biting the hand that feeds you. I mean theft, c'mon, that's worse than... noodie pictures.
Ugh. This sucks, and sounds a lot like the fucktardedness I've seen in my family from time to time. The type of thing that I hope my kids have avoided as I have, since everytime I see one of my younger brothers in peril, I try my damnedest to get them the hell out of it and damn the consequences (something that landed his ass in jail 5 years ago, or at least attributed to it).
Well, I get the feeling that this is something your parents will have to take care of, so I guess the best option of BitchD1 and BitchD2 decide to evict R & L would be to give them gas $ to get to your area and put them up and then find them assistance. And/or do that from where you guys are for their area.
What a crock of shit--and you shouldn't feel guilty bringing it here. I know when my dad was arrested and when my husband dying, this sort of thing--sharing the wealth of the misery--helped ease the burden tremendously.
Surely someone is available to plant a certain controlled substance in D1's fertile yard in an incospicous place.
I need more agents in that area. :sad:
And thanks, everyone, for the sympathy, support, suggestions, etc. Currently we are investigating the possibility of letting Apple Inc. know that D1 used company time and resources to hack into the computer she stole from them and gave to T & R. It's the only way she could have gotten into their files.
and this, folks, is why you should ALWAYS use a PC.
perhaps it would be prudent to put this thread in OM?
Quote from: VERB` on June 19, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
perhaps it would be prudent to put this thread in OM?
If I actually intend to do something that involves this forum, or ask anything of anyone here, it would make sense. As it stands, I'm simply airing a grievance.
Blood is thicker than water.
Use a sharper knife on blood-based organisms.
You could call your grampa and play the smart, young whippersnapper card on him.
Explain to him the truth basically: that you're familiar with technology and "how these things work" and that a stolen computer that was used by god knows who and for what purpose can't be trusted.
I would also point out that thievery; an actual crime where D caused someone a loss and therefore; created a victim, is a little worse from a moral standpoint than watching two adults engage in a consensual, legal act where no one gets hurt.