What the fuck is it?
I've done a (small) amount of reading on Neurolinguistic Programming, and most of what what I've found either sounds like a self-help seminar or is a "very clever, now do can you produce a study in which it works?" kind of papers. (like this (http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ352101&searchtype=keyword&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&objectId=0900019b800d032d&accno=EJ352101&_nfls=false) one)
http://www.britishcouncil.org/ar/lithuania-information-centre-collections-06-issue-4.rtf this might help.
No it won't thats just a catalog.
http://cdmotivasi.wordpress.com/files/2008/05/richard-bandler-and-john-grinder-reframing-neuro-linguistic-programming-and-the-transformation-of-meaning.pdf
NLP is like real-time memetic aikido in meat space face-to-face.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb104/spiceninja/Samuel.jpg)
Enjoy the reading.....
Broken AI pretty much says it all.
NLP is a pretty poor model of the mind, it must be said. Neurobiologists very rarely have something kind to say about it, and some of the hype seems to come from the nature of the group activities that seminars usually involve (getting alot of people in one place, focused on one goal). Some of the techniques seem to work, and it does develop a vocabulary for the use of covert persuasion and manipulation...it is just worth keeping in mind it doesn't necessarily work because of why the NLPers say it works (if indeed the technique can be made to work at all).
Also, for some reason, lots of people into NLP are insufferable douchebags. Those who teach it, as well as those who study it.
yeah, what other people said, and for some reason, NLP is real popular among both the New Age groups and marketing types alike.
also, whenever I try to research what it's really about, all I get is the marketing people trying to sell me stuff, but hardly any of the actual techniques.
I should probably torrent those books though (I tried looking up some shit on youtube--dont bother)
Thanks, that cleared some things up. Hopefully I'll actually get some of those read... but then I've had the Pirate Art of Memetics on my hard drive for a year now and haven't even cracked it open...
You ought to. The first chapter is kind of dense reading, but the rest of it's pretty good. I haven't finished it yet,but I've liked what I've seen.
is that a different one as Art of Memetics pirate edition?
cause while that one is TOTALLY WORTH READING its not really about NLP, afaik. unless I still dont understand what NLP is really about
Quote from: Cain on August 04, 2009, 07:29:36 AM
Broken AI pretty much says it all.
NLP is a pretty poor model of the mind, it must be said. Neurobiologists very rarely have something kind to say about it, and some of the hype seems to come from the nature of the group activities that seminars usually involve (getting alot of people in one place, focused on one goal). Some of the techniques seem to work, and it does develop a vocabulary for the use of covert persuasion and manipulation...it is just worth keeping in mind it doesn't necessarily work because of why the NLPers say it works (if indeed the technique can be made to work at all).
Also, for some reason, lots of people into NLP are insufferable douchebags. Those who teach it, as well as those who study it.
It's bullshit, but it's useful bullshit.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4155
QuoteI've read a fair amount about NLP, and my analysis of the Meta Model is pretty simple. I'd describe it as a confrontational manner of speaking intended to dominate a conversation by nitpicking the other's persons sentences apart. For example, if it's a good day and all is well, I might be inclined to make an offhand, general comment like "I feel pretty good today." The Meta Model response to that is "What specifically makes you feel good?" And, I don't really know. I don't really have a single, specific answer. And whatever I do come up with gets attacked the same way: "Exactly why does that make you feel good?" And suddenly I'm on the defensive; I'm being made to feel that I'm in error, the position I've taken is revealed to be unsupported; and I'm now putty in the NLP guy's hands. Basically, it's being a condescending jerk in the way you talk to someone, in order to exert influence. That's the Meta Model. It's not psychotherapy; it's high-pressure sales. The Milton Model takes a different road to the same destination: low-pressure sales.
Quote from: Cain on August 04, 2009, 07:29:36 AM
Broken AI pretty much says it all.
NLP is a pretty poor model of the mind, it must be said. Neurobiologists very rarely have something kind to say about it, and some of the hype seems to come from the nature of the group activities that seminars usually involve (getting alot of people in one place, focused on one goal). Some of the techniques seem to work, and it does develop a vocabulary for the use of covert persuasion and manipulation...it is just worth keeping in mind it doesn't necessarily work because of why the NLPers say it works (if indeed the technique can be made to work at all).
Also, for some reason, lots of people into NLP are insufferable douchebags. Those who teach it, as well as those who study it.
Actually, NLPtards tend to go out of their way to avoid why questions.
Bandler carefully positioned it against "the medical model" which is essentially etiology.
I'd agree with all of the characterizations ITT besides the how/why distinction, which is quite fundamental to most forms of NLP.
NLP doesn't make many claims as to the accuracy of the model. The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!" The emphasis is on whether the model helps or impedes reaching objectives. Like a good political sleazeball, it just sidesteps the entire issue. For example, "The Presuppositions" are carefully described as not necessarily true, but if you act as though they are then it will lube your social interactions. For the most part, I agree with that.
My take on NLP as a whole is that it's a mixed bag of bullshit and useful ideas. I also think it's
key to cross reference it with info from experts in communication (especially nonverbal communication) and psychology in order to suss out the bs from the good stuff.
Something is niggling in the back of my brain when I took that neurobiological linguistics class 10 years ago...but it won't come forth. Probably because most of that class was about aphasics...but there was SOMETHING about semiotics, neurolinguistic signals and the rest of it...just can't remember.
Of course, most of my MA was spent studying both TESL *and* "embodiment and language"...so a lot of it is sort of enmeshed and tangled since I never read up or use much of it any longer.
I've found users manual for the brain to be a more bare-bones NLP book. Some of it might be useful -- in the same sense that say memory tricks might be useful.
I d/l a 720MB NLP torrent.
now all i have to do is sift through the bs to get to the good stuff....
:fap:
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
is that a different one as Art of Memetics pirate edition?
cause while that one is TOTALLY WORTH READING its not really about NLP, afaik. unless I still dont understand what NLP is really about
I think we're all thinking of the same one--the one that Cain put in the theory collection of books? No NLP, I don't think.
Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 05, 2009, 02:33:51 AM
I've found users manual for the brain to be a more bare-bones NLP book. Some of it might be useful -- in the same sense that say memory tricks might be useful.
Yeah, one of the dudes who wrote it has a PhD in cognitive science.
Even better, he wrote a book on, "Becoming More Ferocious as a Presenter".
:lulz:
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 07:27:36 AM
Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 05, 2009, 02:33:51 AM
I've found users manual for the brain to be a more bare-bones NLP book. Some of it might be useful -- in the same sense that say memory tricks might be useful.
Yeah, one of the dudes who wrote it has a PhD in cognitive science.
Even better, he wrote a book on, "Becoming More Ferocious as a Presenter".
:lulz:
:lulz:
classic
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
NLP doesn't make many claims as to the accuracy of the model. The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!" The emphasis is on whether the model helps or impedes reaching objectives. Like a good political sleazeball, it just sidesteps the entire issue. For example, "The Presuppositions" are carefully described as not necessarily true, but if you act as though they are then it will lube your social interactions. For the most part, I agree with that.
You know what
other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Scientologists.
You know what other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Discordians.
I'm not too well read on NLP. Can you tell me if these arean examples of it?
I was holding the last french fry, my stomach totally full to capacity. I said out loud, "Should I eat the last fry?"
My girlfriend said "yes", and I immediately did. I later realized that I processed her "yes" as if it was an internal direction.
The other day on the highway, a motorcycle cut me off. His license plate was "YIELD", so I backed off. It took me 10 seconds to realize the effect the sign had on me.
You know what other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Christian Evangelists.
Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 05, 2009, 02:33:51 AMin the same sense that say memory tricks might be useful.
well, "memory tricks"
are useful, you just need to practice them so they don't take as much effort, but from all the memory tricks I've read about, even the first time I used them they were incredibly succesful.
there are a bunch in Derren Brown's book (Tricks of the Mind, IIRC) that you can employ immediately without having to memorize any tables of image-to-number associations or such.
are there similar immediate result tricks for NLP?
NLP is all cool and you can like control people and shit
:hammer:
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
NLP doesn't make many claims as to the accuracy of the model. The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!" The emphasis is on whether the model helps or impedes reaching objectives. Like a good political sleazeball, it just sidesteps the entire issue. For example, "The Presuppositions" are carefully described as not necessarily true, but if you act as though they are then it will lube your social interactions. For the most part, I agree with that.
You know what other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Scientologists.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Scientists.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 05, 2009, 02:33:51 AMin the same sense that say memory tricks might be useful.
well, "memory tricks" are useful, you just need to practice them so they don't take as much effort, but from all the memory tricks I've read about, even the first time I used them they were incredibly succesful.
there are a bunch in Derren Brown's book (Tricks of the Mind, IIRC) that you can employ immediately without having to memorize any tables of image-to-number associations or such.
are there similar immediate result tricks for NLP?
I guess it depends on how you use it.
As far as techniques go, I can see how anchoring and reframing, for instance, can be useful in social game type places (work, school, etc). I wouldn't regard it as a be all-end all.
I suppose if someone "Practices NLP" all the time, like those high-powered marketers, they would eventually begin to lack spontaneity. Begin to look fake.
Quote from: 冷蔵庫 ც℧ℜℕ∫ on August 06, 2009, 05:50:04 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 04:13:26 PM
are there similar immediate result tricks for NLP?
I guess it depends on how you use it.
As far as techniques go, I can see how anchoring and reframing, for instance, can be useful in social game type places (work, school, etc). I wouldn't regard it as a be all-end all.
no I mean in a real straight forward way like the memory tricks
1- do X
2- do A
3- do K
4- get result Z
anyone?
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 06, 2009, 05:07:47 AM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
NLP doesn't make many claims as to the accuracy of the model. The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!" The emphasis is on whether the model helps or impedes reaching objectives. Like a good political sleazeball, it just sidesteps the entire issue. For example, "The Presuppositions" are carefully described as not necessarily true, but if you act as though they are then it will lube your social interactions. For the most part, I agree with that.
You know what other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Scientologists.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Scientists.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Thelemites.
Quote from: LMNO on August 06, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 06, 2009, 05:07:47 AM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
NLP doesn't make many claims as to the accuracy of the model. The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!" The emphasis is on whether the model helps or impedes reaching objectives. Like a good political sleazeball, it just sidesteps the entire issue. For example, "The Presuppositions" are carefully described as not necessarily true, but if you act as though they are then it will lube your social interactions. For the most part, I agree with that.
You know what other thought collective has pretty much the exact same slogan?
Scientologists.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Scientists.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Thelemites.
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Dr Pepper!
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Yo Gabba Gabba! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ke3PZsqHYE)
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!"
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Mothers For Drunk Driving
Quote from: Cramulus on August 07, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 05, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
The slogan is, "TrY iT oUt FoR yOuRsELf!"
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
Mothers For Drunk Driving
You know what other group has that as a slogan?
The National Suicide Hotline.
wow, that was a quick descent into :horrormirth:
We're professionals.
Quote from: LMNO on August 07, 2009, 07:27:12 PM
We're professionals.
You know what other group has that as it's slogan?
Professionals.
:mittens:
Quote from: Cain on August 04, 2009, 07:29:36 AMBroken AI pretty much says it all.
He doesn't scratch the surface, but that's ok.
QuoteNLP is a pretty poor model of the mind, it must be said.
:lulz:
QuoteNeurobiologists very rarely have something kind to say about it,
This is troof. :)
Quoteand some of the hype seems to come from the nature of the group activities that seminars usually involve (getting alot of people in one place, focused on one goal).
Never attend anything to do with NLP that has more than 12 people involved.
QuoteSome of the techniques seem to work, and it does develop a vocabulary for the use of covert persuasion and manipulation...it is just worth keeping in mind it doesn't necessarily work because of why the NLPers say it works (if indeed the technique can be made to work at all).
This could be true, be wary folks.
QuoteAlso, for some reason, lots of people into NLP are insufferable douchebags. Those who teach it, as well as those who study it.
THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP. Generally, these types are not good NLPers, juat people that want to ream your cash out of you. They'll be the ones handing out practitioner certificates to a non-practised group of 50 people they've just mind-fucked out of £1000s for the pleasure. Ideally you want about 6-10 people in a group with a good tutor.
Or read a fucking book. You can get the for free all ofer the torrent nets. ;)
can you reccommend one?
I recently downloaded a massive torrent about psychological manipulation, so if Syn does know a good one, no doubt it will be in there. We could also look at it for the Book Club, if someone wanted (and because it seems to have stalled a little).
I'm personally more interested in the mentalism books, but that is just an individual preference.
Isn't there often some crossover between mentalism and NLP? At least in terms of the milton model and hypnosis.
There is a lot of crossover with mentalism and NLP/hypno.
Also, lots of NLP is about stealing good bits from hypnosis (modelling, lol), specifically Milton Erickson and Dave Elman, with a bit of George Estabrooks.
Books wise, if I had to recommend one for hypno, it'd be Hypnotherapy by Dave Elman. He was a contemporary and some-time rival of Milton Erickson (Who is also awesome).
For NLP, I've stuck to my tutor's guide books, which are a mish-mash of the stuff you'll find on the torrent sites by Bandler, Grinder, Steve Andreas, Tad James with a lot of the waffle excised. Also look up Time Line Therapy by Tad James a hypno/NLP technique that lessens the impact of past traumatic events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg
Quote from: Lysergic on August 25, 2009, 02:31:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg
1. okay, MAYBE.
2. Simon Pegg?
Quote<+Lysergic> mmm
[14:53] <+Lysergic> yer
[14:53] <+Lysergic> but yeah, its not actually nlp but derren uses nlp concepts
[14:54] <+Lysergic> have you read derren browns "Tricks of the mind" yet?
[14:54] <+Lysergic> He goes into detail about what he thinks of nlp
[14:54] <+Lysergic> hes not a huge fan of it but hes taken all the useful concepts and done cool shit with it
Quote from: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on August 24, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP.
i can prove this... I'm an NLP Prac
Quote from: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on August 24, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP. Generally, these types are not good NLPers, juat people that want to ream your cash out of you. They'll be the ones handing out practitioner certificates to a non-practised group of 50 people they've just mind-fucked out of £1000s for the pleasure. Ideally you want about 6-10 people in a group...
maybe, and i took a class with Bandler two summers ago and there were 160 folks in room and i found it great
Quote from: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on August 24, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
Ideally you want ... a good tutor.
agreed
here's my favorite book depicting both an attitude that reflects my understanding of NLP + great case-studies of what worked in a specific instance => http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Machine-Tales-Neurolinguists-Journal/dp/0911226443/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251729164&sr=1-1
"NLP is an attitude and a methodology, not the trail of techniques it leaves behind" ~Richard Bandler
here's the book easiest for me to learn specific skills for specific purposes => http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-NLP-Hobbies-Sports/dp/0071602593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251728884&sr=8-1
"Physics changes, but reality stays the same." ~Richard Bandler
12 days after i became a prac, in less than an hour, i helped a 54-year-old woman let go of her need to torture herself with visuals of her at age 6 drowning. Stifling painful for her. She used a washcloth for hygeine because showers and baths brought her images of her near death experience.
She had spent 12 years with one PsychoTheRapist, plus a couple years with a couple psychologists and her symptoms had gotten worse with each.
Not my skills, anybody with basic NLP skills would probably have helped her. Nobody who had attempted to help her deal with visuals had skills with visuals, probably because traditional psych training is based in words and treating visuals with words is like joining a drum circle with debate, it's hard for me to imagine the music working.
Here are the same links with the referral id removed:
http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Machine-Tales-Neurolinguists-Journal/dp/0911226443/
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-NLP-Hobbies-Sports/dp/0071602593/
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 31, 2009, 03:54:43 PM
Here are the same links with the referral id removed:
http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Machine-Tales-Neurolinguists-Journal/dp/0911226443/
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-NLP-Hobbies-Sports/dp/0071602593/
Thanks FP
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 31, 2009, 03:54:43 PM
Here are the same links with the referral id removed:
Good man.
Now we just need to find a way to make these referral IDs hurt him.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 31, 2009, 03:54:43 PM
Here are the same links with the referral id removed:
Good man.
Now we just need to find a way to make these referral IDs hurt him.
aaaaaha! good idea!
i'm pretty sure there must be some way ... spamming them around at dirty places however, probably is not one of them. maybe complaints to amazon but i dunno if that would be heard.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
Thanks FP
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
I'm choosing to see it as being amusingly endearing, but I suspect I'm abnormally forgiving in that respect.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 31, 2009, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
Thanks FP
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
I'm choosing to see it as being amusingly endearing, but I suspect I'm abnormally forgiving in that respect.
That's probably just because you're relatively new.
You all knew this shit was coming. You all knew that eventually, everything we have built will become the next big shrink-wrapped conspiracy product. If it isn't this Ben Mack creep, it will be the next sleazeball.
But that's okay, if you're in this for all the right reasons. It will become a big fad, then the inevitable backlash will kick in, and anyone claiming to be a Discordian will never be taken seriously at all...and this, too, serves our purposes (unless you want to be taken seriously, for some odd reason).
However, it's still okay to fuck with Ben Mack. In fact, I'd encourage a little data mining and rampant assfuckery directed his way. I shall lead by example.
We ARE, after all, Holy Men™. We are not required to eat his shit.
hxxps://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/agreement
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A wiki page with product links and phrases like: "Dr Mack's Amazon-Insured [...] get-free-stuff [...] then return it for free later and keep the commission [...] this is not a pyramid scheme [...] increase product ranking [...] I've been doing this for years [...] make free money from marketing [...] Amazon make money on this too [...] click 20 of my links and you'll get onto the second tier [...] work from home" should do it?
With the blanks [...] filled in with random Mack-speak.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
that's not an affiliate link. i prefer to be condemned by an educated jury
not guilty this time.
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
that's not an affiliate link. i prefer to be condemned by an educated jury
not guilty this time.
You set yourself up for that kind of assumption by being a self-promoting asshole. Deal with it.
Oops :sad: I hope this doesn't mean that I have to go to marketing school.
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
It irritates me that this chode is constantly trying to make money off us.
that's not an affiliate link. i prefer to be condemned by an educated jury
not guilty this time.
Nobody cares what you prefer. The opinions of parasites are of no importance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
You all knew this shit was coming. You all knew that eventually, everything we have built will become the next big shrink-wrapped conspiracy product. If it isn't this Ben Mack creep, it will be the next sleazeball.
But that's okay, if you're in this for all the right reasons. It will become a big fad, then the inevitable backlash will kick in, and anyone claiming to be a Discordian will never be taken seriously at all...and this, too, serves our purposes (unless you want to be taken seriously, for some odd reason).
However, it's still okay to fuck with Ben Mack. In fact, I'd encourage a little data mining and rampant assfuckery directed his way. I shall lead by example.
We ARE, after all, Holy Men™. We are not required to eat his shit.
Well put. I figure our actions should speak louder than any meaningless drivel.
Quote from: Burns on August 31, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
I figure our actions should speak louder than any meaningless drivel.
Burns I am honored 2 B your Post # 2323
meaningless drivel? Guilty as charged
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: Burns on August 31, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
I figure our actions should speak louder than any meaningless drivel.
Burns I am honored 2 B your Post # 2323
meaningless drivel? Guilty as charged
Dude...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: Burns on August 31, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
I figure our actions should speak louder than any meaningless drivel.
Burns I am honored 2 B your Post # 2323
meaningless drivel? Guilty as charged
Dude...
The funny thing: I wasn't even talking about him. I was referring to the meaningless drivel of the next big shrink-wrapped conspiracy product and the "fad" that goes along with it.
Quote from: Burns on September 01, 2009, 01:12:11 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: Burns on August 31, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
I figure our actions should speak louder than any meaningless drivel.
Burns I am honored 2 B your Post # 2323
meaningless drivel? Guilty as charged
Dude...
The funny thing: I wasn't even talking about him. I was referring to the meaningless drivel of the next big shrink-wrapped conspiracy product and the "fad" that goes along with it.
I know. Mack has missed a great many chances to shut the fuck up.
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on August 24, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP.
i can prove this... I'm an NLP Prac
Prove it. Do some NLP on me.
I double-dare you.
:facepalm:
the next post will be by ben and contain some crap he stole from somebody else and a link to some crap he is promoting
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
You all knew this shit was coming. You all knew that eventually, everything we have built will become the next big shrink-wrapped conspiracy product. If it isn't this Ben Mack creep, it will be the next sleazeball.
But that's okay, if you're in this for all the right reasons. It will become a big fad, then the inevitable backlash will kick in, and anyone claiming to be a Discordian will never be taken seriously at all...and this, too, serves our purposes (unless you want to be taken seriously, for some odd reason).
However, it's still okay to fuck with Ben Mack. In fact, I'd encourage a little data mining and rampant assfuckery directed his way. I shall lead by example.
We ARE, after all, Holy Men™. We are not required to eat his shit.
I RETRACT my endorsement of THE BRAIN THAT CHANGES ITSELF here => http://twitter.com/BenMack/statuses/3940181509 because Audio CD #5 he reveals that Paganism leads to OCD.
Dr. Norman Doidge reminds me of this interview I did... http://www.instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=3491175
with Ely Archer about his book on memetics called Disinfect Your Mind
COOL MEMETIC INTERVIEW for me, maybe eating shit for u, whatever... John Barnes on Memes & Wackos http://www.instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=3502578
EVERY WORD YOU TYPE OR READ is impacting your NLP
"NLP is an attitude and a methodology, not the trail of techniques it leaves behind"
"Ho hum, more pleasure please, whatever that pleasure is to me!"
If you say to yourself "It's difficult to get up in the morning", "It's hard to cease smoking", then you are already using hypnotic suggestions on yourself. ~Richard Bandler
Quote from: fomenter on September 12, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
the next post will be by ben and contain some crap he stole from somebody else and a link to some crap he is promoting
took u long enuf to ask
not a request, you are just that predictable
Quote from: fomenter on September 12, 2009, 10:34:52 PM
not a request, you are just that predictable
Pardon me. And I hustled 4 u
u saw how quickly i created a circuit?
Ben
the sycophant
nice try :lulz:
Quote from: Love on September 13, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
Quote from: fomenter on September 12, 2009, 10:34:52 PM
not a request, you are just that predictable
Pardon me. And I hustled 4 u
u saw how quickly i created a circuit?
Ben
the sycophant
I miss the Ben, who, for a post or two a few weeks ago.. actually started talking to us like people.
It's almost as if as the level of criticism goes up the more you retreat into this shell of a retarded marketeer personality which is, of course, a viscous cycle.
Do you enjoy the abuse? Has Ben been a naughty boy?
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 13, 2009, 03:12:31 PM
viscous
(http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2000/_more01/viscous-golden-sugar-syrup-flow-in-column-onto-spiral-pile-white-background-tweaked-2-AJHD.jpg)
Quote from: Cain on September 13, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 13, 2009, 03:12:31 PM
viscous
(http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2000/_more01/viscous-golden-sugar-syrup-flow-in-column-onto-spiral-pile-white-background-tweaked-2-AJHD.jpg)
:lulz: If it wasn't for the built-in spell-checker in Firefox, my awful spelling would have been detected
ages ago.
Quote from: Prat Fest on September 08, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: Love on August 31, 2009, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on August 24, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP.
i can prove this... I'm an NLP Prac
Prove it. Do some NLP on me.
I double-dare you.
That was directed @ "Love". I'm still waiting for you to do some NLP on ma brainz.
Also,
Viscous...LOL! NLP is pretty Viscous.
++THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP. ++
You've mis-read what Ben was offering proof for.
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 13, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 13, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 13, 2009, 03:12:31 PM
viscous
(http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2000/_more01/viscous-golden-sugar-syrup-flow-in-column-onto-spiral-pile-white-background-tweaked-2-AJHD.jpg)
:lulz: If it wasn't for the built-in spell-checker in Firefox, my awful spelling would have been detected ages ago.
Damn, they noticed I was hotlinking.
Yeah, normally I don't point out peoples spelling error, especially if I understand what they are saying, but that one is pretty common, so I felt I should do something.
Quote from: Telarus on September 14, 2009, 02:05:23 AM
++THIS! Some of the most amazing assholes I've found are into NLP. ++
You've mis-read what Ben was offering proof for.
If he's proving he's some "amazing asshole" to satisfy that statement, it stands to reason he knows "how-to" NLP, as it were.
Moreover, he announced he is a "NLP prac". (i'm aware of what it means to actually hold the practitioner's certificate for NLP. Derren Brown's personal account is most amusing.)
Also moreover, Who says i have to argue on his terms?
Where can I read Derren Brown's account? I would imagine that would be pretty amusing, since he doesn't hold NLP in the highest of regards.
I was thinking just that. I *think* it's in Tricks of the Mind -- i just havent' read that far.