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no.
Yes.
(.. Who is he?)
Yes.
Nes. I mean Yo.
Of course he is.
He used to quite literally fuck the souls out of women while impotent.
L Ron Hubbard was a thelemite. So, maybe?
... Still not somebody I'm keen on hanging out with.
Well, he was a huge asshole. So probably.
Unfortunately, yes. Admittedly, I have to give him kudo's for being a Science Fiction author and successfully starting a religion involving an alien warlord. Of course, I can't stand Discordianism.
I'd compare him to J. R. "Bob" Dobbs, but only insofar as he started his own religion to screw the gullible and make fabulous amounts of money. Comparison ends there.
Better "Bob" than Ronnie.
QuoteBetter "Bob" than Ronnie.
Yup.
No.
I dunno, he literally believed he was Satan incarnate...so...???
Quote from: Havok on August 10, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
No.
well you would say that, 4chan apologist and all
In fact 4chans pissy little fits at scientology are what makes me think maybe he did just create scientology for the money and shits and giggles.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 11, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Havok on August 10, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
No.
well you would say that, 4chan apologist and all
In fact 4chans pissy little fits at scientology are what makes me think maybe he did just create scientology for the money and shits and giggles.
I think the shits and giggles is the part that's in question. Wasn't money explicitly part of the plan?
Old penthouse interview with Elron's son:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
With notable gems such as:
QuotePenthouse: Did he write the book off the top of his head? Did he do any real research?
Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing. Sometimes he used to write a new biography every week. He usually said that he had put thirty years of research into the book. But no, he did not. What he did, reaily, was take bits and pieces from other people and put them together in a blender and stir them all up --and out came Dianetics! All the examples in the book --some 200 "real-life experiences" --were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and unconscious states... In fact, the vast majority of those incidents were invented off the top of his head. The rest stem from his own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God. Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology that I rememoer this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!" A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father.
and:
QuotePenthouse: You were sixteen years old at that time. What did you believe in?
Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 11, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Havok on August 10, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
No.
well you would say that, 4chan apologist and all
In fact 4chans pissy little fits at scientology are what makes me think maybe he did just create scientology for the money and shits and giggles.
I've never been to 4chan, try again.
I wonder how many religions did start out as a joke.
Besides Discordianism - obviously.
Quote from: Havok on August 11, 2009, 05:48:53 AM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 11, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Havok on August 10, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
No.
well you would say that, 4chan apologist and all
In fact 4chans pissy little fits at scientology are what makes me think maybe he did just create scientology for the money and shits and giggles.
I've never been to 4chan, try again.
I'm just going off your comment about trolling 4chan being like pissing in the ocean if that was you, It could have been anyone with a V avatar, in which case I' sorry.
Quote from: Burns on August 11, 2009, 02:20:13 AM
Old penthouse interview with Elron's son:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
With notable gems such as:
QuotePenthouse: Did he write the book off the top of his head? Did he do any real research?
Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing. Sometimes he used to write a new biography every week. He usually said that he had put thirty years of research into the book. But no, he did not. What he did, reaily, was take bits and pieces from other people and put them together in a blender and stir them all up --and out came Dianetics! All the examples in the book --some 200 "real-life experiences" --were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and unconscious states... In fact, the vast majority of those incidents were invented off the top of his head. The rest stem from his own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God. Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology that I rememoer this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!" A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father.
and:
QuotePenthouse: You were sixteen years old at that time. What did you believe in?
Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.
hahaha oh wow, this thread was a parody but these quotes just made with completely worth while
Edit: that entire interview is stunning.
Granted the interviewee was a bullshitter for the bullshitters but it seems kind of strange to make it ALL up.
Also keep in mind that Crowley wasn't a Satanist, so... Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's pretty apparent that Hubbard Jr. does not know his Thelema.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 11, 2009, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Havok on August 11, 2009, 05:48:53 AM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on August 11, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Havok on August 10, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
No.
well you would say that, 4chan apologist and all
In fact 4chans pissy little fits at scientology are what makes me think maybe he did just create scientology for the money and shits and giggles.
I've never been to 4chan, try again.
I'm just going off your comment about trolling 4chan being like pissing in the ocean if that was you, It could have been anyone with a V avatar, in which case I' sorry.
That was me, it's just that I wasn't speaking from personal experience. More from common knowledge, really.
Quote from: Burns on August 11, 2009, 07:51:36 PM
Yeah, I think it's pretty apparent that Hubbard Jr. does not know his Thelema.
Or he does and he's trolling.
Its fairly apparent that Hubbard was full of enough shit that he is clearly a deranged mad man like our great Lord Omar. Proof enough for me that weather or not he knew it, Hubbard is a discordian.
8)
We are all popes!
KopyKat: My Lord Omar, not yours!
-toa,
the reincarnation of elron hubbard
Quote from: KopyKat253 on November 06, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
Its fairly apparent that Hubbard was full of enough shit that he is clearly a deranged mad man like our great Lord Omar. Proof enough for me that weather or not he knew it, Hubbard is a discordian.
8)
Well see thats what tipped me off, but unlike omar, St Hubbard was successful, so its kind of 50-50 in my mind.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 06, 2009, 02:58:39 AM
Quote from: KopyKat253 on November 06, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
Its fairly apparent that Hubbard was full of enough shit that he is clearly a deranged mad man like our great Lord Omar. Proof enough for me that weather or not he knew it, Hubbard is a discordian.
8)
Well see thats what tipped me off, but unlike omar, St Hubbard was successful, so its kind of 50-50 in my mind.
I think the difference between the two is that Hubbard preys on the cabbage, Mr. toas lord Omar just eats them.
8)
Quote from: Faust on August 09, 2009, 08:11:49 PM
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Scientology is an unfunny joke disguised as a funny joke.... Note how the word "religion" doesn't enter. I don't want politicians reading this and making their church tax exempt.
Edited for clarity.
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on December 28, 2009, 03:55:41 AM
Edited for clarity.
I quoted the original post as intended, knowing it was empty... I was responding to the first post and thus felt it appropriate.
Both Hubbard and Joseph Smith, were IMO Discordian. They rejected the acceptable systems of belief and imposed their own. They modified the consciousness of society and more importantly of the thousands of believers they have garnered over the years. They may not have done it for the LULZ, but Eris is not always in it for the LULZ... perhaps rarely in it for the LULZ.
Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Bureaucracy are all alive and well in both Mormonism and Scientology.
Points should be deducted because they decided to use their transgressive insights to control people according to their new rules.
Quote from: LMNO on December 28, 2009, 07:15:33 PM
Points should be deducted because they decided to use their transgressive insights to control people according to their new rules.
Unless of course that's what they were aiming to do. Fleecing the sheep is OK, if you have a good buyer for the wool ;-)
For personal reasons, I am not amused.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 28, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
Both Hubbard and Joseph Smith, were IMO Discordian. They rejected the acceptable systems of belief and imposed their own. They modified the consciousness of society and more importantly of the thousands of believers they have garnered over the years. They may not have done it for the LULZ, but Eris is not always in it for the LULZ... perhaps rarely in it for the LULZ.
Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Bureaucracy are all alive and well in both Mormonism and Scientology.
In that reasoning, Jesus (the damned dirty hippie) was more of a discordian than Hill or Thornley. He trolled twelve guys for a few years, got himself killed, and after two thousand years most people haven't caught on yet.
In terms of similarity of ideas, you can accuse anyone of being a discordian. Hubbard was a thelemite, as historically recorded, and RAW has inserted plenty of Crowley into discordian canon. In terms of knowledge of and identification as a discordian, I have no idea, and I doubt any of us do. Certainly, if Hubbard were doing Scientology as an O:MF project, he wouldn't let loose his intent, would he? (This is, in a nutshell, why I suspect Larry Wall and want to saint him)
Hubbard was Satan, self-proclaimed.
Who needs Discordianism when you're Satan?
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 28, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Bureaucracy are all alive and well in both Mormonism and Scientology.
Above the baseline, how is there anything more than Bureaucracy in Scientology? Their aim is to replace individual agency with group structure... Although, I guess their fucked up practices cause Discord with the group Anonymous... and their whacked out beliefs cause confusion outside of Scientology... And of course they're escalating Chaos. But I'd say that all exists outside Scientology, albeit caused by it. Interesting point there.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 29, 2009, 02:01:44 AM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 28, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
Both Hubbard and Joseph Smith, were IMO Discordian. They rejected the acceptable systems of belief and imposed their own. They modified the consciousness of society and more importantly of the thousands of believers they have garnered over the years. They may not have done it for the LULZ, but Eris is not always in it for the LULZ... perhaps rarely in it for the LULZ.
Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Bureaucracy are all alive and well in both Mormonism and Scientology.
In that reasoning, Jesus (the damned dirty hippie) was more of a discordian than Hill or Thornley. He trolled twelve guys for a few years, got himself killed, and after two thousand years most people haven't caught on yet.
In terms of similarity of ideas, you can accuse anyone of being a discordian. Hubbard was a thelemite, as historically recorded, and RAW has inserted plenty of Crowley into discordian canon. In terms of knowledge of and identification as a discordian, I have no idea, and I doubt any of us do. Certainly, if Hubbard were doing Scientology as an O:MF project, he wouldn't let loose his intent, would he? (This is, in a nutshell, why I suspect Larry Wall and want to saint him)
You don't think Jesus was a Discordian? :lulz:
I think that were he born significantly more recently he would have identified as a discordian. I don't think he identified as a discordian, because I don't thing discordianism existed.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 29, 2009, 04:32:24 PM
I think that were he born significantly more recently he would have identified as a discordian. I don't think he identified as a discordian, because I don't thing discordianism existed.
Every Man, Woman and Child is a Pope of Discordia. Every Man, Woman and Child helps keep the wobble in the Sacred Chao, bouncing between the Hodge and the Podge. Every Blackwater agent help She What Done it All, as does every pastor, every scientist and every politician. People that made shit up wholesale and SOLD it successfully... they're like fucking Cardinals in the spread of Discord, Confusion and Strife*.
* That includes magic systems, not just religions ;-)
PROOF:
QuoteOne day Satan, Jesus and Eris were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden; he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught the world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!"
"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked.
"Why would you want that bunch of losers anyway?", Eris chimed in sweetly. "They appear as nothing more than a bunch of mindless sheep, constantly whining and praying for 'God' to fix their problems." She made a face, as though she'd just bitten into a rotten apple, "They're pathetic."
Satan replied, "Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!"
"And what will you do when you get done with them?" Jesus asked.
"Can I watch?" Eris asked.
"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly.
"Wait a minute," Eris said, "You don't want to kill 'em. Then they won't be amusing anymore. I've got a much better idea."
Satan looked interested, but mostly because he had a secret crush on Eris.
"How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked.
"What are you on about?" Eris asked somewhat perturbed at being interrupted, she looked at him for a moment and then groaned, "Will you stop with all of this Son of God crap?"
Jesus was somewhat taken aback, "Er, well I mean aren't I supposed to do something to save all these people?"
"Save them from what? Themselves? Their natural tenancy toward chaos? Their constant inability to control even their basest emotion? I mean what do you expect to save?" Eris looked at Jesus pointedly and sighed.
"But, that's what my Father wants. I am his only-begotten son, and I should give my life to save the human race from Satan here.... right?" Jesus said, questions beginning to show in his eyes.
"Jesus Christ! What are you thinking? Your Father is supposed to be some Almighty God, if he really wanted to save people, don't you think he could just kill Satan here?" She looked briefly at Satan, who was suddenly uncomfortable,"No offense, Smoky" Eris concluded.
"Err, well there's the whole thing about proving yourself or something. At any rate, HE wishes it to be this way." Jesus was obviously concerned with the direction the conversation was taking.
"How about this," Eris said smiling, "We will con a bunch of gullible humans into writing down that you two did everything you're supposed to do. People are sheep, they;ll believe that it happened and we can go do something else. Besides, if people think that God's Son came down to earth, you realize how much chaos that will cause? Everyone will try to follow you their own way, and powerful people will force weaker people to follow you according to their opinions. Then groups of powerful people will fight about your beliefs... it'll be great!!!"
Jesus looked disturbed "But, won't there be suffering?"
"Of course," Eris smiled sweetly "But, they're humans there will be suffering no matter what you do. If you go down there and tell people to love each other, they will, and they will give everyone else the choice of loving each other according to the rules, or they will love them with a sword. It doesn't matter what you say."
Satan looked depressed "Damn it all to hell! I spent all this time setting a trap and I caught people who were already fucked? That's not fair!"
Eris smiled at the poor horned troublemaker, "Tell ya what, why don't the three of us head back to my place, I've got some great Kine Bud that is just ready to smoke and I made a bong out of the Horsehead Nebula last week. Wanna try it out?"
Jesus and Satan looked at each other, looked at the Earth and looked at Eris (who at this point made sure hat the shoulder of her dress slipped down to expose a little flesh)."I'm sure there is more entertaining stuff to do back at my place," she said sweetly and whisked them off to Limbo.
Jesus and Satan got so stoned that they forgot about the silly humans and their pathetic sheep-like ways. Eris, on the other hand decided to implement her little chaos causing schemes and what we see today is the fault of "She What Done It All".
So, now you know the truth, and the truth will set you free... or, barring that, you can just set yourself free.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 29, 2009, 04:15:16 PM
You don't think Jesus was a Discordian? :lulz:
If he ever returns, we should totally recruit him.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 29, 2009, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 29, 2009, 04:32:24 PM
I think that were he born significantly more recently he would have identified as a discordian. I don't think he identified as a discordian, because I don't thing discordianism existed.
Every Man, Woman and Child is a Pope of Discordia. Every Man, Woman and Child helps keep the wobble in the Sacred Chao, bouncing between the Hodge and the Podge. Every Blackwater agent help She What Done it All, as does every pastor, every scientist and every politician. People that made shit up wholesale and SOLD it successfully... they're like fucking Cardinals in the spread of Discord, Confusion and Strife*.
* That includes magic systems, not just religions ;-)
Brilliantly worded.
Quote
PROOF:
QuoteOne day Satan, Jesus and Eris were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden; he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught the world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!"
"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked.
"Why would you want that bunch of losers anyway?", Eris chimed in sweetly. "They appear as nothing more than a bunch of mindless sheep, constantly whining and praying for 'God' to fix their problems." She made a face, as though she'd just bitten into a rotten apple, "They're pathetic."
Satan replied, "Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!"
"And what will you do when you get done with them?" Jesus asked.
"Can I watch?" Eris asked.
"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly.
"Wait a minute," Eris said, "You don't want to kill 'em. Then they won't be amusing anymore. I've got a much better idea."
Satan looked interested, but mostly because he had a secret crush on Eris.
"How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked.
"What are you on about?" Eris asked somewhat perturbed at being interrupted, she looked at him for a moment and then groaned, "Will you stop with all of this Son of God crap?"
Jesus was somewhat taken aback, "Er, well I mean aren't I supposed to do something to save all these people?"
"Save them from what? Themselves? Their natural tenancy toward chaos? Their constant inability to control even their basest emotion? I mean what do you expect to save?" Eris looked at Jesus pointedly and sighed.
"But, that's what my Father wants. I am his only-begotten son, and I should give my life to save the human race from Satan here.... right?" Jesus said, questions beginning to show in his eyes.
"Jesus Christ! What are you thinking? Your Father is supposed to be some Almighty God, if he really wanted to save people, don't you think he could just kill Satan here?" She looked briefly at Satan, who was suddenly uncomfortable,"No offense, Smoky" Eris concluded.
"Err, well there's the whole thing about proving yourself or something. At any rate, HE wishes it to be this way." Jesus was obviously concerned with the direction the conversation was taking.
"How about this," Eris said smiling, "We will con a bunch of gullible humans into writing down that you two did everything you're supposed to do. People are sheep, they;ll believe that it happened and we can go do something else. Besides, if people think that God's Son came down to earth, you realize how much chaos that will cause? Everyone will try to follow you their own way, and powerful people will force weaker people to follow you according to their opinions. Then groups of powerful people will fight about your beliefs... it'll be great!!!"
Jesus looked disturbed "But, won't there be suffering?"
"Of course," Eris smiled sweetly "But, they're humans there will be suffering no matter what you do. If you go down there and tell people to love each other, they will, and they will give everyone else the choice of loving each other according to the rules, or they will love them with a sword. It doesn't matter what you say."
Satan looked depressed "Damn it all to hell! I spent all this time setting a trap and I caught people who were already fucked? That's not fair!"
Eris smiled at the poor horned troublemaker, "Tell ya what, why don't the three of us head back to my place, I've got some great Kine Bud that is just ready to smoke and I made a bong out of the Horsehead Nebula last week. Wanna try it out?"
Jesus and Satan looked at each other, looked at the Earth and looked at Eris (who at this point made sure hat the shoulder of her dress slipped down to expose a little flesh)."I'm sure there is more entertaining stuff to do back at my place," she said sweetly and whisked them off to Limbo.
Jesus and Satan got so stoned that they forgot about the silly humans and their pathetic sheep-like ways. Eris, on the other hand decided to implement her little chaos causing schemes and what we see today is the fault of "She What Done It All".
So, now you know the truth, and the truth will set you free... or, barring that, you can just set yourself free.
I think an Erisian version of the Book of Job is in order. That section of the bible is one of my favorites to mock.
R L Hubbard - Discordian? Don't know.
Thelemite? Not really. He befriended, fornicated and fleeced Thelemites he hung around with (cf: Jack Parsons & his wife) but Hubbard was a poseur who pretended that Crowley was 'his dear friend'. Crowley on the other hand never met L Ron. in person and, having heard about him via correspondence from his American contacts, thought he was an idiot.
Hubbard was involved with the American O.T.O. until it got raided by the cops in which case, he claimed he was working 'undercover' for the F.B.I. in order to bring down the evil, black magic, satanic, sex cult. :roll:
Linking Hubbard to Thelema is a schtick employed by people to discredit Scientology. It basically runs along the lines of:
CROWLEY WAS A SATANIST --> RON HUBBARD JOINED HIS BLACK MAGIC LODGE IN CALIFORNA --> HUBBARD INVENTED SCIENTOLOGY --> SCIENTOLOGY MUST BE SATANIC!!!
\
:mullet:
If someone wants to discredit Hubbard, then there's plenty of examples within his own life & writings that will do that for you without having to invoke a vicarious association with Crowley.
In summary: Crowley was an asshole. Hubbard was an asshole. Their assholery is independant of each other.
Oh, I wasn't trying to use it to discredit Hubbard. I actually don't particularly mind thelema. I was pointing out his association with crowleyan thelema, which was also associated with discordianism by way of RAW, to explain some of the similarities.
Is there a correlation between Crowley's assholery and Hubbard's?
I don't know enough about Hubbard to be able to tell.
That's ok: apparently, even an anectdote will do.
Quote from: LMNO on December 29, 2009, 07:15:46 PM
Is there a correlation between Crowley's assholery and Hubbard's?
Correlations:
Pissed people off.
Were lousy parents.
Had trouble dealing with homosexuality. (either their own or that of others)
Both aspired to be the heads of large organizations. (only LRH was successful in this regard)
Both have alleged connections to intelligence/espionage.
Just a few off the cuff similarities.
(Enki - wasn't suggesting that you were personally making an negative AC/Scientology connection, only that it is a very common tactic)
Quote from: BAI on December 29, 2009, 09:48:38 PM
Not that I'd ever speak ill of Mr. Hubbard, zenublesshisthetans, but I do hear tell a couple of anecdotes relating him to Mr. Crowly and the fapping into a shit in a jar and drawing seagulls on yer doodle that is making a moonbaby.
This is precisely why Crowley thought Hubbard was an idiot.
In a letter to a friend, Crowley complained about 'the idiocy of these louts' and was referring to Jack Parsons and ElRon.
I get the impression that Hubbard was in charge of the incantation end of that ritual, and Parsons was in charge of the fucking end. I suspect that Hubbard just wanted Parson's girlfriend.
Crowley: Brilliant fraud who duped morons long after he was dead.
Hubbard: Brilliant fraud who duped morons long after he was dead.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 28, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
Mormonism and Scientology.
why are we talking about alien cults? :lulz:
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
I get the impression that Hubbard was in charge of the incantation end of that ritual, and Parsons was in charge of the fucking end. I suspect that Hubbard just wanted Parson's girlfriend.
Hubbard GOT Parson's girlfriend.
Quote from: LMNO on December 29, 2009, 07:15:46 PM
Is there a correlation between Crowley's assholery and Hubbard's?
Thank you.
Quote from: Burns on December 31, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
I get the impression that Hubbard was in charge of the incantation end of that ritual, and Parsons was in charge of the fucking end. I suspect that Hubbard just wanted Parson's girlfriend.
Hubbard GOT Parson's girlfriend.
Yes. Hubbard's ritual was successful.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 01, 2010, 03:33:46 AM
Quote from: Burns on December 31, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
I get the impression that Hubbard was in charge of the incantation end of that ritual, and Parsons was in charge of the fucking end. I suspect that Hubbard just wanted Parson's girlfriend.
Hubbard GOT Parson's girlfriend.
Yes. Hubbard's ritual was successful.
Well it seems that Jack Parsons was a bit of a cuckold as he allowed Wilfred Smith to seduce his first wife Helen. Then, he allowed Hubbard to seduce his other wife Sara or "Betty" to which she was commonly referred.
My point being that if the ritual you're referring to is the Babalon Working then Elron had
already stuck his piggly-wiggly thetan into Betty. The scarlet woman in question was Majorie Cameron who appeared after they began the working.
Upon receiving Parsons' letter of resignation from the OTO, Crowley wrote in his journal, "Letter of resignation from puppy Jack; his snout glued to the rump of an alley-cat." The pussy, of course, being Cameron. :lol:
edit: misplaced/miswritten sentence.
I think Hubbard was the worlds first internet Troll. (And obviously, years ahead of his time) And he milked it until the Tit not only squeaked, but brayed like a sick donkey. Still does, in fact, to this day, as his followers just get stupider and stupider. Scientology, may have been one of the best jokes ever, judging by the amount of people who pretend to "get it". These people are the punchline of the joke. Tom Cruise, for instance, he see's people laughing, even tries to laugh along, but that just makes everyone laugh louder.
But, despite Cruise, and Travolta, and all the other high profile Scientologists who wax lyrical about how wonderful it is, it still manages to attract converts. The fact that they are handing over vast sums of Tax free money to the perpetrators of todays organisation, means that they HAVE to "get it".
:jebus: Otherwise, they would just look stupid.
Or, you know, you could hang out and talk with a garden-variety (i.e. not famous) Scientologist, and ask them to tell you their story, and how Scientology helped them.
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
Or, you know, you could hang out and talk with a garden-variety (i.e. not famous) Scientologist, and ask them to tell you their story, and how Scientology helped them.
True enough, I probably could. But they're not that thick on the ground in the west of England, and to go seeking them out, seems a bit erm, . . keen? I don't know, my preconceptions are not so rigid that they are incapable of being overturned, but my desire to find out more about them, and my interest in Hubbard aren't
exactly consuming me with urgency. But this may change, who knows?