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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Da6s on August 09, 2009, 08:25:18 PM

Title: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Da6s on August 09, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
http://bigbigpix.blogspot.com/2009/08/brain.html (http://bigbigpix.blogspot.com/2009/08/brain.html)

QuoteResearchers from Japan's ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have developed new brain analysis technology that can reconstruct the images inside a person's mind and display them on a computer monitor. According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people's dreams while they sleep.


One step closer to a cyberspace deck.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Kai on August 09, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Da6s on August 09, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
http://bigbigpix.blogspot.com/2009/08/brain.html (http://bigbigpix.blogspot.com/2009/08/brain.html)

QuoteResearchers from Japan's ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have developed new brain analysis technology that can reconstruct the images inside a person's mind and display them on a computer monitor. According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people's dreams while they sleep.


One step closer to a cyberspace deck.

Scary.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 09, 2009, 08:57:21 PM
exhilarating!
but, whatcha wanna bet that when we record dreams, we find out that they really aren't pictures at all until we wake up and interpret the signals as memories or something else anticlimactic...
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 09, 2009, 09:26:03 PM
Wow, I really want movies of my dreams because my dreams are AWESOME.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Triple Zero on August 09, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
can't find any good sources for this, at least the trail seems to end on a japanese site I can't read, but it has none of the pics from the article.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Da6s on August 09, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
This site was in the top 5 hits after i googled ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories.

I don't think it's fake, but like you said, main source is a .jp that surprisingly doesn't have porn. That i've seen. yet.

http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/ (http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/)


Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on August 09, 2009, 09:59:18 PM
This technology could potentially be used to prove that my dreams are among the most boring things in existence, which would explain why I hardly ever remember them.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Kai on August 09, 2009, 11:03:50 PM
All I see is this technology leading us ever closer to Feed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_(novel)).
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 10, 2009, 12:18:09 AM
the psychiatric medicine implications are interesting, as well as the dream recording and art stuff, Like most tech its great if used ethically but we as Mostly Hairless Monkeys have issues with that kind of thing.

would make getting the right tattoo design easier if you cant draw!

Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Eater of Clowns on August 10, 2009, 02:18:44 AM
I have very little dream recall.  Maybe once a month.  I'd love to know what I dream about.

I'm not clicking on a link to a site called pink tentacle in a thread where Japan has been mentioned.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Bu🤠ns on August 10, 2009, 02:45:32 AM
I would much rather be able to experience the dream rather than watch it.  A big part of dreaming, for me, is the emotion that goes with it.  Like, if I dream that I go on a roller coaster, i feel that twinge in my pelvis that occurs when going down that steep hill.  Watching dreams? meh. SHARING a dream, now we're talkin!
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 10, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on August 10, 2009, 02:18:44 AM
I have very little dream recall.  Maybe once a month.  I'd love to know what I dream about.

I'm not clicking on a link to a site called pink tentacle in a thread where Japan has been mentioned.

it was totally safe. No naughty tentacles at all.  was even safe for work!
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on August 10, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
If I remember correctly, this was the one where they used neural nets trained on the person's normal visual system... I read about this in New Scientist, which as usual had an article written by someone unfamiliar with the technology ;-). It seems like one downside with this is that you'd need months of training to get an image at all, and the other is that (if the pictures from the article I read are still representative) you'd just get a really low-res monochrome version with a lot of noise.

More practical is probably the implant that has been extensively tested on monkeys that allows them to move a robotic arm with their mind well enough to perform simple tasks.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Cramulus on August 10, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
I may be wrong about this
but if I recall correctly, the electrical activity which we call a Dream is not exclusive to the visual cortex.

so this is more like watching the video track from a dream, but missing all the symbolic/associative meaning.


this sounds like crazy cyberpunk max headroom tech, and I can't wait for those fucking japanese to make it into the best sex toy ever conceived.


also, if anybody's going to trip through my dreams, I want it to be J-Lo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209958/)


also:

(http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF160-The_Dreamcatcher3000.gif)
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 11, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 10, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
his sounds like crazy cyberpunk max headroom tech, and I can't wait for those fucking japanese to make it into the best sex toy ever conceived.....


also:

(http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF160-The_Dreamcatcher3000.gif)

:spittake:

Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 12, 2009, 02:41:10 AM
I miss PBF.  :cry:
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Requia ☣ on August 12, 2009, 07:37:43 AM
Shouldn't mind reading devices violate some kind of professional ethic?

The damned subliminal messages are bad enough, can't even trust my own brain. (not that the fucker was that trustworthy to start with  :argh!:)
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Da6s on August 12, 2009, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on August 12, 2009, 02:41:10 AM
I miss PBF.  :cry:
http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/ (http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/) It's the closest to the same branch of humor as pbf that i've found.


http://truckbearingkibble.com/ (http://truckbearingkibble.com/) Also similar to pbf, but they haven't updated it in months.


Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: the last yatto on August 13, 2009, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 10, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
this sounds like crazy cyberpunk

reminds me more of dreams logs from FF: spirits within
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 04, 2010, 02:11:22 AM
Quote from: Burns on August 10, 2009, 02:45:32 AM
I would much rather be able to experience the dream rather than watch it.  A big part of dreaming, for me, is the emotion that goes with it.  Like, if I dream that I go on a roller coaster, i feel that twinge in my pelvis that occurs when going down that steep hill.  Watching dreams? meh. SHARING a dream, now we're talkin!
I don't think I've ever felt such a pelvis twinge. I suddenly feel like I'm missing out.
Title: Re: I'm in ur brainz watching u dream.
Post by: Freeky on January 04, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Quote from: FP on January 04, 2010, 02:11:22 AM
Quote from: Burns on August 10, 2009, 02:45:32 AM
I would much rather be able to experience the dream rather than watch it.  A big part of dreaming, for me, is the emotion that goes with it.  Like, if I dream that I go on a roller coaster, i feel that twinge in my pelvis that occurs when going down that steep hill.  Watching dreams? meh. SHARING a dream, now we're talkin!
I don't think I've ever felt such a pelvis twinge. I suddenly feel like I'm missing out.

I get a twinge near my spleen I think when I have dreams that involve me dying. Or maybe its my liver. I don't know too much about human physiology, so I can't say for sure.