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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Cain on September 16, 2009, 10:01:30 PM

Title: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Cain on September 16, 2009, 10:01:30 PM
QuoteWE REMEMBER 9-11

Smoke billows rolled
As planes shattered glass
Concrete and steel
The trees and the grass

An enemy attack
On the Land of the Free
How could this happen
How could this be

Our hearts gripped with fear
In sheer disbelief
Unbearable sorrow
One hardly could speak

As evil sought triumph
Through catastrophic strife
Towers fell and buildings crumbled
Tragically ending innocent lives

We cried out to God
Fell down on our knees
Hugged our families, friends, and strangers
Helping anyone in need

It was a day where we placed
All our differences aside
We were Americans facing tragedy
With courage, tears, and battle-cries

We remember 9-11
Those who paid the highest price
Those who bravely tackled evil
Those whose courage rescued lives

Unfathomable terror
Unfolded before our eyes
A day where heroes would die
And warriors... would rise.

We remember 9-11
Our lives forever changed
Those whose heartbeats too soon ended
Shall not have died in vain

Though evil fought for victory
The death of freedom was their prize
Americans will not bow to terrorists
And Our Freedom... Will... Survive

We remember 9-11
Yet our hearts, our hopes our dreams
Remain alive
Now hear our cry
AMERICA, LET FREEDOM RING

What is the most cutting putdown for this poem?  Or do you suggest going for the three word comment route?

I have a link for this, which I may share, depending on how we want to go about it.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:11:34 PM
I say let's edit it for truth.

And our freedom...would be...compromised.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Triple Zero on September 16, 2009, 10:12:31 PM
if you just wanna piss them off derail the thread with some ridiculous (but semi-defendable for long enough) 911 conspiracy theory.

or reply with the Lyrics to Chris Korda's "I Like To Watch".
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 10:19:33 PM
Or refer to 911 as "The Great New York Smoke Out".

Or go totally right wing nut job, you know, "Who cares if a bunch of New York liberals died?".
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 16, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
The rhyme scheme is clumsy. But, that's my honest opinion, not vitrol.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on September 16, 2009, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on September 16, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
The rhyme scheme is clumsy. But, that's my honest opinion, not vitrol.

Agreed, the poem is shit, not just because of the topic, but because its a crappy poem.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 16, 2009, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 16, 2009, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on September 16, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
The rhyme scheme is clumsy. But, that's my honest opinion, not vitrol.

Agreed, the poem is shit, not just because of the topic, but because its a crappy poem.

It inspires me to versify.

muhaha
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Remington on September 16, 2009, 11:33:01 PM
I think the Canadian Army's marching chant would be appropriate here:

1, 2, 3, 4, Let's go die in Bush's war!
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 16, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
There is no discernible attempt at rhythm.
The rhyme scheme is clumsy and forced.
It's very "telly" and lacking in imagery.
It's extraordinarily cliched and not very evocative - it might as well just say,

"Look, yet another
patriotic poem about
the Twin Towers attack."

When handling a heavily emotional and overused subject matter such as love, war, patriotism or death, it will almost invariably fall flat unless handled with extreme finesse and highly skilled craftsmanship. This poem has neither of those.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 16, 2009, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 16, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
There is no discernible attempt at rhythm.
The rhyme scheme is clumsy and forced.
It's very "telly" and lacking in imagery.
It's extraordinarily cliched and not very evocative - it might as well just say,

"Look, yet another
patriotic poem about
the Twin Towers attack."

When handling a heavily emotional and overused subject matter such as love, war, patriotism or death, it will almost invariably fall flat unless handled with extreme finesse and highly skilled craftsmanship. This poem has neither of those.

Correct poetic motorcycle.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Requia ☣ on September 17, 2009, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 16, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
There is no discernible attempt at rhythm.
The rhyme scheme is clumsy and forced.
It's very "telly" and lacking in imagery.
It's extraordinarily cliched and not very evocative - it might as well just say,

"Look, yet another
patriotic poem about
the Twin Towers attack."

When handling a heavily emotional and overused subject matter such as love, war, patriotism or death, it will almost invariably fall flat unless handled with extreme finesse and highly skilled craftsmanship. This poem has neither of those.

This post is better poetry.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 16, 2009, 11:39:22 PM


"Look, yet another
patriotic smarmy, spoon fed, and bathos-ridden melodramatic poem about
the Twin Towers attack."


Fixed that for ya.  
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Rumckle on September 17, 2009, 03:49:11 AM
Also at the start, the rhyming scheme made me think the writer was taking the piss.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:51:18 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 17, 2009, 03:49:11 AM
Also at the start, the rhyming scheme made me think the writer was taking the piss.

At the start, the rhyming scheme made ME thing Emily Dickenson had crawled out of her grave.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:55:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 16, 2009, 10:01:30 PM


What is the most cutting putdown for this poem?  Or do you suggest going for the three word comment route?

I have a link for this, which I may share, depending on how we want to go about it.

LINK.  WHERE FUCKING IS.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Pariah on September 17, 2009, 04:01:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:55:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 16, 2009, 10:01:30 PM


What is the most cutting putdown for this poem?  Or do you suggest going for the three word comment route?

I have a link for this, which I may share, depending on how we want to go about it.

LINK.  WHERE FUCKING IS.

SECONDED  :argh!:
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:51:18 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 17, 2009, 03:49:11 AM
Also at the start, the rhyming scheme made me think the writer was taking the piss.

At the start, the rhyming scheme made ME thing Emily Dickenson had crawled out of her grave.
It reminded me of Julia A. Moore, only with less talent.

Quote from: Agent Pariah on September 17, 2009, 04:01:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:55:10 AM

LINK.  WHERE FUCKING IS.

SECONDED  :argh!:
Found it.
hXXp://bighollywood.breitbart.com/cstanton/2009/09/11/honoring-september-11th-we-remember/
:musak:
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
 :lulz: I just read all the comments.  All comments within the past two days are critical.

Quote from: ReaderJust a few questions for the author. Why did you give up on rhyming after two stanzas? Why did you give up on any attempt at meter at all after four? Why did you do this in this fashion? I suspect you knew what you were doing, so why didn't you take the time to fix it? Does 9-11 not mean enough to you that you would go to the trouble of creating something of coherence or beauty? Did the tragedy seem so trivial to you that you thought it fit to memorialize in this slapdash, careless style? This is ugly, and it makes the events of that day seem petty and maudlin, and is that really what you intended?

:thumb:
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Cain on September 17, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
Yeah, it is teh Breitbart.  Fighting his one-man guerrilla insurgency against the evils of Liberal Hollywood, with only a website and buckets of cash from Christian fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Payne on September 17, 2009, 04:28:46 PM
Well I would go for the option of slight editing to reflect, and attribution to, the terrorists themselves.

After all it seems to consist entirely of vague buzzwords and ideals that would be easily transferable to The Other Side.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on September 17, 2009, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 17, 2009, 04:28:46 PM
Well I would go for the option of slight editing to reflect, and attribution to, the terrorists themselves.

After all it seems to consist entirely of vague buzzwords and ideals that would be easily transferable to The Other Side.

THIS.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2009, 04:43:17 PM
I posted this:

QuoteThere is no discernible attempt at rhythm. The rhyme scheme is clumsy and forced, and is seemingly abandoned midway. It's very "telly" and lacking in imagery. It's extraordinarily cliched and not very evocative - it might as well just say,

"Look, yet another
patriotic poem about
the Twin Towers attack."

When handling a heavily emotional and overused subject matter such as love, war, patriotism or death, it will almost invariably fall flat unless handled with extreme finesse and highly skilled craftsmanship. This poem has neither of those. It is, I think, a little offensive to wordsmiths, to patriots, and to those who lost loved ones in the attack, to publicly post a "tribute" so poorly written as to be insulting and trivializing of a monumental tragedy that had such a profound effect on our country and our people. For shame.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Dalek on September 17, 2009, 04:44:52 PM
I posted this

QuoteYou americans are stupid, and you know this is God's revenge for you! Do you think you can just go around killing people in other countries unpunished?! And say it's in God's name? Well God's pissed offed now, so it's time for you to pray. But don't hope it will help! The templers died, now it's your turn
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 17, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Fucking templars. Ruin everything.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
poem in its original farsi

Quote11
دود
هواپيماهاي انصروه مورته مار را درهم شيشه
ساروج و فولاد
به
یک درخت و سبزه دشمن حمله به
سرزمين
چه آزاد نبود كه اين اتفاق
چه مي شود
ما با ترس جریانات
در شير خواهی ديد
غير قابل تحمل غم
آن كه
به مثابه شر حرف بزند و
برج پيروزي از كشمكش مصيبتبار و
پايان اسفناكي بيگناه فرو ريخت ساختمان زندگی
ما فرياد كنان به خدا
روي زانو زدن
مدعوين خانواده, دوستان و بيگانگان
نياز به كمك كسي در
آن بود که ما قرار
هر روز اختلافات ما
با آن مواجه می شدند که به كناري تراژدي
با شجاعت و اشك, و نبرد-فرياد
به ياد داريم 9-11
كساني كه بالاترين قيمت
كساني كه با شهامت شر پيش‌آمده حل
كساني كه جرئت نجات يافته زنده گي
بيرنكش
روا وحشت
يك روز پيش چشمان ما در
aazaadi... قهرمانان و بميرد.
به ياد داريم 9-11
تا ابد زندگی ما تغيير
زود زود آن
نخواهم داشت پايان بيهوده در
مبارزه با شر براي پيروزي
مرگ جوايز خود را از آزادي
می خواهند
ما سر تعظيم تروريست ها و باقي مانده
به ياد داريم freedom... صميم قلب آرزو مىكنم 9-11
با اين حال ما, ما اميد ما
اين رويا زنده بمانند ما فرياد
آمريكا, آزادي انگشتر

the correct translation from Farsi to English
QuoteWe remember 9-11
planes Thus have smoke Mortemart shattered glass
cement and steel
to
a tree and grass enemy
territory to
what was not free that this
is what happened
with our fear currents
in lion shall be
unbearable grief
that
as evil and speak
tower of victory of the conflict and
the fatal sorrowful innocent collapsed building
we cried out to allah
scholium
guests on family, friends and strangers
who need help in
the US
every day our differences
face to put aside tragedy with
courage and tears, and the battle-cry
we remember 9-11
who had the highest bidder
who bravely Evil tackled
those who dared rescued living
unfathomable
terror Admissibll
one day before our eyes in
warriors heroes and die.  
We remember 9-11
forever changed our lives
early that
he will not end in vain in
fighting against evil
death victory for its prizes of freedom
,
we will bow to terrorists and the remaining
we remember freedom. I sincerely hope 9-11
with the US, We hope
this vision we survive
America we cry, freedom ring


translated to Farsi and back  :lulz:
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2009, 05:26:17 PM
 :lulz: That's grand. Post it!
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
i like how there seems to be no word for freedom in Farsi..
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:33:10 PM
There is.   I can get it for you in Dari.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
aazaadi
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 06:03:54 PM
nice i will use it, the word warriors didn't translate either for some reason..??
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Rumckle on September 17, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on September 17, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
:lulz: I just read all the comments.  All comments within the past two days are critical.

Quote from: ReaderJust a few questions for the author. Why did you give up on rhyming after two stanzas? Why did you give up on any attempt at meter at all after four? Why did you do this in this fashion? I suspect you knew what you were doing, so why didn't you take the time to fix it? Does 9-11 not mean enough to you that you would go to the trouble of creating something of coherence or beauty? Did the tragedy seem so trivial to you that you thought it fit to memorialize in this slapdash, careless style? This is ugly, and it makes the events of that day seem petty and maudlin, and is that really what you intended?

:thumb:

:lulz:

IF WE DONT WRITE GOOD POETRY THE TERRYRISTS WIN!!!1!
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
i tried to post my Farsi version but wordpress gave me a 404 page when i tried to sign up

somebody want to post them for me ?  


i was thinking something like... "you are all being trolled, this poem is a slightly modified version of a poem written in Farsi that was taken off a captured terrorist taken prisoner in Afghanistan by American solders (post Farsi version ) this is the translation of the original into English (post English version) "

or if you can think of something funnier (or sells the story better) go for it...
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Brotep on September 17, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
I wouldn't waste a whole sentence commenting on that thing, just one word:

Genericrap.  (Not to be confused with generic rap.)
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 07:14:53 PM
Why are you using Farsi?  I would think Arabic would be more to the point.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 07:18:45 PM
the translation back and forth was funnier..
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 07:42:13 PM
You read Farsi?

I mean, I would think someone who can't read either would think both of them equally funny.  Same sort of translation is lost, so to speak, and Farsi seems irrelevant vis a vis 9/11.  Or, rather, LESS relevant, I suppose I should say.  It wasn't Afghans or Iranians who hijacked the planes, just saying.
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: fomenter on September 17, 2009, 07:56:52 PM
i just used a on line translator, the Arabic (which i tried first ) came back almost identical to the original English the Farsi came back scrambled enough to pass for being from a terrorist ..
if you can get a funnier Arabic version go for it...
i have turned the idea over to anyone who wants to run with it since i cant post to the site anyway...
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 08:33:41 PM
True...*shrug* 
Title: Re: Poetry nerds, please advise
Post by: Iason Ouabache on September 17, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 17, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
Yeah, it is teh Breitbart.  Fighting his one-man guerrilla insurgency against the evils of Liberal Hollywood, with only a website and buckets of cash from Christian fundamentalists.
I thought that that was Brent Bozell's gig. If I knew that the market was so wide open I would have applied for the job.